Filco is sturdier in a way, Ducky do flex a bit when applies with some pressure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1zc1mLYQxs&feature=related

Though Ducky has some really irresistable functions to offer... It's hard to consider.

haven't notice that.
i will try it when i got home.
is probably the foot of the ducky.
to me, ducky quality are good enough for a heavy duty user.
haven't got time to really review the kb yet. stupid final.

ya, the ducky i show in the pic above.
they come original all blank.

once u use to touch typing, it will never be a problem.

same as those too, once u know how to touch type..those symbols on the number will not be a problem for you 

That's outta my price budget, as much as the mixed keys sound like a good idea.

Was actually looking at this: http://global.pchome.com.tw/?mod=item&func...0X&ROWNO=2&tm=u

Am I missing anything?

Yes i think they have a 104 key version. But i am not sure if elitekeyboards are getting those. The one their stocking up on is the 10keyless version without the fugly Leopold logo.

so if you get the Leopold 104 key version; it will have the logo on it. I don't know whether the 104 has pbt laser etched keys like the 10keyless EK is getting. Another question is; does the 104 key version use the same recessed casing like the Filco ?

Problem with Chinese site is that... their Cherry Blue is not 蓝

-.-

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Added on December 9, 2010, 7:04 pmOk, just found out that Cherry Blue is 青軸

i think i might just get a 7G.

because it says
送★皮質護腕墊
http://global.pchome.com.tw/?mod=item&func...6378&c=A05&tm=u
and i bought it.
and i get free wrist rest and a free mousepad.

you can only get Black blank key cap, from Armygroup.
white keycap, you have to do custom order with KBC.

Well the reviews i read clearly points that the leopold 10 keyless is way better than the ducky 1087.

But for the leopold 104 keys kb it remains to be seen if the quality is like the 10 keyless. But what is interesting about the 104 keys leopold i found out; was that they got like 2-4 or so doubleshot extra keycaps for say the escape key.





http://keyboardporn.com/keycaps/leopold-keycaps/
But what separates the dk-9008 from the leopold keyboard is that ducky can FN+F9 to disable windows key. I don't think the Leopold can, but i could be wrong.

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Added on December 10, 2010, 12:38 amBy the way here is KBC 1087 engraved white keycaps.

It looks like that because its 2 pieces of plastics molded together.

It's very durable to wear; and the text comes out very clear compared to other key print types e.g. laser etch which is slightly fuzzy n dirty.
This is my limited geekhack dolche double shot injected 104 key set





Source:

http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=All+About+Keys

9008 got more feature then 1008
about 10 more features maybe.
build quality better.
1008 is actually 108 version of 1087.
quality are the same as  1087.

Hi guys, i did post it at Razer Thread as well. So i decide to post it here too. I had figured out some of my BW keys are different in term of clicky sound. My 3rd row keys seem like different from others. Is it normal for blue switch? But it still working, just the sound
My video below show it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H64PPyG53I
sorry for bad video quality

As you see at the picture. It doesn't seem any problem. Just only you press it, problem occurred. My spacebar not as loud as i though

but i dont want the razer keyboard is it true that real mechanical keyboards shouldnt have backlighting?

FYI

青 <- Blue in Japanese, hope that explians

the owner of the shop that sold the tron mouse in sg said that. he said true mechanical cant have backlight because of the switches below. i dont know if its true or not. just asking whether it is 

NKRO is better than 2KRO right?

it's green in Mandarin,

someone point out it means blue in ancient chinese time which I am not sure.

In Japanese

青い (Aoi)　＜－　Blue
緑　(Midori) ＜－　Green

Anyone recalls Aoi Sora? lol it means blue sky in Japanese

My keyboard is about to be ready for collection in SG soon, sad that I haven't see that TW link yet.. it's much expensive for the SG MO

No, a keyboard doesn't need led lighting to be a mechanical keyboard.
In reponse to Cnet's review posting some very controversial ratings by rating the DAS kb better than a Topre; i posted how a keyboard should be evaluated upon.
I do admit i too love led lighted keyboards; especially the high quality ones like found in the Razer black widow which has 1 led for each key. BUT i don't value that over the primary ratings i mentioned.

This is the mistake the gaming keyboard thread are making. They do not understand what makes a good keyboard; and they get lulled by the cool lightings; and these macro features.

Some mechanicals too also have macro features; and led lighting too; but more important they have mechanical switches; and some even have NKRO.

Of course pricing is an important factor. But when i see keyboards like Logitech G19 rubberdomes which sells for as much as a good mechanical keyboard; i don't see what good reason there is to get the rubberdome over a mechanical keyboard in such instances. And even if there are some rubber domes half the cost (like RM2xx range), i feel that paying in the range of RM4xx-Rm5xx is well worth the cost for a good mechanical keyboard that does NKRO for the purpose of gaming and an enjoyable typing experience.

But if you are strapped for cash; and want to upgrade other computer parts such as cpu; graphics cards etc; then yes by all means please do. Using a cheap keyboard until your ready to get a better keyboard is a smart choice. That was what i did with my rig. I prioritsed what i wanted to upgrade e.g. cpu; ram; hard drive space etc; before at the end when i upgraded my keyboard.

A good mechanical keyboard should be seen like; why you get better speakers; or why you get a better gaming mouse. That is pretty much why you would get a better keyboard

That was why i made this thread to separate us from such misconceptions lauding the rubberdome bling keyboards over quality mechanical or Topre hybrid keyboards.

what other mechanical kb brands that are good besides TG, BW, BW Ult?

Consider these options:

Ducky 9008 = 104 standard keys + 4 media keys. Has NKRO via USB to PS2 adapter; can disable windows key by pressing FN + F9. Keycaps are either abs silkscreened or pbt laser etched which cost more. Has cherry stabilizers for the big keys and spacebar; hence making it easier to remove and install keycaps. It doesn't have a keyboard armrest like the Steelseries 7G integrated into the keyboard; but they do sell optional leather palm rests which i feel is much superior in comfort.

Review:
http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:13063
Leopold 104 keys = a Ducky alternative. Has NKRO via usb to ps2 adapter. Thats all the info i know. You will have to ask around to find out whether it's a suitable alternative to the Ducky. I compared the Leopold 10 keyless vs the Ducky 10keyless and found that Leopold is a better quality kb. But whether that applied to the 104 key variant i haven't yet found out because of a lack of info :/
Filco Majestouch NKRO = Also has NKRO via usb to ps2 adapter. But doesn't have the disable windows key like the ducky. Does not have cherry stabilizers; so harder to remove/reinstall big keys and spacebar. The led light to indicate capslock etc is enabled; the led is fitted into the casing front cover; whereas the Ducky has it embeded directly into the keycap. What this means is; if you use your own custom keycaps on the Filco, it will look much neater/nicer compared to the Ducky.
Deck Legend = pretty expensive but looks nice especially the led lighting. Quality material; however although it supports nkro; it doesn't via usb to ps2 adapter. They sell 2 variants; one with usb and the other with ps2 port. If you want full NKRO you have to get the PS2 variant. If you get the usb; your stuck with 6KRO. This is why i did not go down this route. Besides the Ducky cost less and has a disable windows key feature i needed.
Topre Realforce = Excellent keyboard lots of quality. Technically it supports NKRO but it doesn't do it via usb to ps2 adapter. Also it only comes as USB; so your pretty much stuck with 6KRO unless you can somehow mod it to get the NKRO to work. According to the experts that seems to be very hard to achieve.
Black widow ultimate = I don't particularly recommend this keyboard; but seeing as it's a popular one i thought it should be mentioned. Looks nice however is glossy so it's a finger print magnet. Does not do NKRO which isn't too big a deal; however it supports limited 2KRO which is very disappointing for a supposedly high end keyboard. The best feature about this keyboard is aesthetics because it has good led lighting as each key has a led light in it. Also has macro features which seemed simple to use; although personally i too haven't found much use for them.
Steelseries 7G = NKRO. Doesn't have windows disable key feature. Only comes with black switches. I don't particularly like their straight down palm rest, but others might. But the biggest sin of all; it costs much more than a Ducky; and is only available in black whereas the Ducky has 3 choices for switches. But on a positive note the keyprints are laser etched.

Steelseries 6Gv2 = pretty much resembles the 7G most parts. Cheaper than a Ducky. But it only comes with black cherry mx switches which was what i wanted to avoid.
Cherry keyboard = there are many models. The ones i recommend are G80-3000 and G80-3494. The problem with the 3000 series is that there are so many variants you can easily get confused which one to get; they have many different cherry switch/language/keycap design options. The 3494 is simple enough to figure out and comes with red cherry switches. The only fault for the cherry is it uses pcb mounting instead of a metal plate; however some users still find the Cherry to be pretty sturdy nevertheless. Also you can buy cherry doubleshots and fit them onto any of the cherry keyboards making for one very good keyboard. The other thing it lacks is disabling windows key :/ This is why i got Ducky instead.
Summary:

Leopold/Ducky/Filco come in 3 choices for switches such as Cherry mx brown, blue and black

Topre you only have 1 choice (hybrid mechanical/rubber dome/capacitive) but it's pretty good to those who have used it.

Black widow ultimate only comes with cherry mx blues only.

Steelseries like Henry Ford said; only comes with black.... cherry mx switches

Cherry many variations that sometimes it gets confusing especially for the g80-3000 series. Many switch options; good keycaps especially their doubleshots.