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SUSromentheposmen
post Dec 10 2010, 12:03 AM

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there's even the tenkeyless ducky on pchome for RM290+. let me know if you guys are doing an MO.

someone will have to go to custom to clear it and pay duties if the purchase exceeds rm500. if no one's up to it i guess i'll just do a solo order. NEXT MONTH.
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post Dec 10 2010, 12:13 AM

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If so many people are interested; you guys should start your own Malaysian MO. Can get cheaper than VRzone that way.

If not; then just buy from pchome which has cheap worldwide shipping as part of their limited time promotion; assuming you can get the English only kb. Better email pchome and confirm first if can. if cannot then the only choice is vrzone doh.gif Getting from pchome should be cheaper and faster; but i only worry that they may not have English for the PBT version of the dk-9008. But fssbz seems to think they do, so i may be wrong on this point.

But yes if your going for blanks; may as well save money and get the abs version which is cheaper. The only difference between the abs and pbt version is the caps only; nothing else.




ANYWAY; in regards to 10keyless mechanical keyboards; here is the pricings in USD.

QUOTE(laden3;260037)
Ducky 1087 (pchome)~$90
Leopold tenkeyless (leopold.co.kr) ~$110
Archiss tenkeyless (rakuten) ~$95

shipping not included


20 bucks more for better looking laser etched pbts compared to the dirty ducky key caps; better looking receeding keycaps hm.... sounds worth it to me :]




PS: i think pchome may be the best deal compared to the sort of MO like vrzone who ordered from ducky channel just for the fact of their super good deal on world wide shipping nod.gif So a MO from pchome instead for the weight of 10 keyboards for USD 20 in total is a GOOD DEAL!

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Dec 10 2010, 12:27 AM
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post Dec 10 2010, 12:28 AM

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i refreshed this page and everytime i did moogle updates his post, lol. seeing how you pimp leopold i think i'm going to have a heavy case of buyer's remorse if i get the ducky.

can't seem to find both tenkeyless to come with blank keycaps. sad.gif
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post Dec 10 2010, 12:33 AM

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QUOTE(romentheposmen @ Dec 10 2010, 12:28 AM)
i refreshed this page and everytime i did moogle updates his post, lol. seeing how you pimp leopold i think i'm going to have a heavy case of buyer's remorse if i get the ducky.

can't seem to find both tenkeyless to come with blank keycaps. sad.gif
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Well the reviews i read clearly points that the leopold 10 keyless is way better than the ducky 1087.

But for the leopold 104 keys kb it remains to be seen if the quality is like the 10 keyless. But what is interesting about the 104 keys leopold i found out; was that they got like 2-4 or so doubleshot extra keycaps for say the escape key.

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http://keyboardporn.com/keycaps/leopold-keycaps/


But what separates the dk-9008 from the leopold keyboard is that ducky can FN+F9 to disable windows key. I don't think the Leopold can, but i could be wrong.


Added on December 10, 2010, 12:38 amBy the way here is KBC 1087 engraved white keycaps.

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This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Dec 10 2010, 12:38 AM
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post Dec 10 2010, 12:39 AM

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what's that grill doing under the keycaps? seems to be a two piece keycap to me.

is that an esc key carved out of brass copper? shocking.gif

This post has been edited by romentheposmen: Dec 10 2010, 12:41 AM
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post Dec 10 2010, 12:47 AM

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It looks like that because its 2 pieces of plastics molded together.

It's very durable to wear; and the text comes out very clear compared to other key print types e.g. laser etch which is slightly fuzzy n dirty.


This is my limited geekhack dolche double shot injected 104 key set

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# Material ABS. Source.
# Font Modified Arial (rounded). Source.
# Labeling Technology Double Shot
# Weight .8g
# Front Edge Thickness .8mm
# Other Notes Signature DCS profile is a bit higher than Cherry and a bit lower than Filco. Filco on top row, Cherry Corp in middle, Signature DCS profile on bottom.


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Key Materials and Key Wear


There is a bewildering array of plastics available and when you add in the different additives for softening, the ability to mix plastics, and fire retardants it's not easy to generalize how keys will wear. In addition, keyboard manufacturers generally will not advertise what materials they use in keys and focus instead on cost cutting. These are some of the plastics you may find to be in use:

PS, PC and PVC (Polystyrene, Polycarbonate, Polyvinyl Chloride). Common and cheap. This is a lighter less durable plastic that tends to be vulnerable to solvents. Most keyboards shipping today including Logitech, Microsoft, etc. use some variant of this for their casings and keys.

ABS (Acrylonitrile Butadiene Styrene). It's commonly used for older keyboard casings. It's a comparatively soft material compared to some modern plastics but is resistant to breakage. Topre casings are made of ABS and probably most IBM Model M's are as well. Although I am not sure I suspect Filco and Das keys are made of ABS.

PBT (Polybutylene Terephtalate). PBT is a common choice for modern Cherry keycaps and is what IBM and Unicomp use. It should not yellow as much as ABS over time.

POM (Polyoxymethyleneor better known by the brand name "Delrin"). An abrasion-resistant and low-friction material, this found use in older black Cherry G80 keycaps. However it is expensive and not common in other keyboards.




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Labeling techniques

Applying key labels can be done in a number of ways:

Two-shot injection molding is one of the best variants and used to be common with high-quality keyboards. Here the keycap (keytop) has cavities which are filled with differently-colored plastic of the same type during production. This allows for contrast-rich labeling, even wear and high wear resistance in general.

Another method is dye sublimation which appears to be used on two-piece IBM keycaps (as well as old Cherry S... keycaps). As noone has complained about wear on these so far, this seems to give good durability as well, or at least may do so provided the base material does. Apparently a certain degree of heat resistance is required, favoring the use of keycap materials which are less susceptible to wear as well.

Laser engraving became popular in the mid-1990s. This also tends to have good wear resistance, but contrast isn't very high.

Pad printed (tampo-printed or silkscreened) lettering may also give good contrast, but tends to be subject to wear.

Some manufacturers have tackled the problem of wear by using a rather ordinary labeling method but coating the result with some more durable transparent plastic - examples would be the "decals" found on Chicony and inexpensive Logitech boards (just the lettering itself covered) or the entirely coated Filco keys.
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http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=All+About+Keys

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post Dec 10 2010, 01:31 AM

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Hi guys, i did post it at Razer Thread as well. So i decide to post it here too. I had figured out some of my BW keys are different in term of clicky sound. My 3rd row keys seem like different from others. Is it normal for blue switch? But it still working, just the sound
My video below show it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H64PPyG53I
sorry for bad video quality

This post has been edited by zandara: Dec 10 2010, 01:32 AM
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post Dec 10 2010, 01:34 AM

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I don't hear any sound.
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post Dec 10 2010, 01:36 AM

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QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Dec 9 2010, 09:55 AM)
Argh, now I dunno which one to buy. Damn!

OK, who wants to do the MO? Shipping is cheapest in orders with 4 keyboards IIRC.

Also OCN, what's the difference between 1008 and 9008?
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9008 got more feature then 1008
about 10 more features maybe.
build quality better.
1008 is actually 108 version of 1087.
quality are the same as 1087.

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post Dec 10 2010, 01:41 AM

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Dec 10 2010, 12:33 AM)
Well the reviews i read clearly points that the leopold 10 keyless is way better than the ducky 1087.

But for the leopold 104 keys kb it remains to be seen if the quality is like the 10 keyless. But what is interesting about the 104 keys leopold i found out; was that they got like 2-4 or so doubleshot extra keycaps for say the escape key.

user posted image

user posted image

http://keyboardporn.com/keycaps/leopold-keycaps/
But what separates the dk-9008 from the leopold keyboard is that ducky can FN+F9 to disable windows key. I don't think the Leopold can, but i could be wrong.


Added on December 10, 2010, 12:38 amBy the way here is KBC 1087 engraved white keycaps.

user posted image
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The white key caps look nice also, but the color become yellowish can clean it??


Added on December 10, 2010, 1:42 am
QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Dec 10 2010, 12:47 AM)
It looks like that because its 2 pieces of plastics molded together.

It's very durable to wear; and the text comes out very clear compared to other key print types e.g. laser etch which is slightly fuzzy n dirty.
This is my limited geekhack dolche double shot injected 104 key set

user posted image

user posted image
user posted image
Source:

http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=All+About+Keys
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ya i love the old school font which some ppl hate it

This post has been edited by jasmineivan: Dec 10 2010, 01:42 AM
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post Dec 10 2010, 01:43 AM

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QUOTE(jasmineivan @ Dec 9 2010, 11:41 AM)
The white key caps look nice also, but the color become yellowish can clean it??
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they wont. they are pbt.
they become yellowish because dirty that's all.
pretty sure can clean it easily.
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post Dec 10 2010, 01:43 AM

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QUOTE(OCN_fssbzz @ Dec 10 2010, 01:36 AM)
9008 got more feature then 1008
about 10 more features maybe.
build quality better.
1008 is actually 108 version of 1087.
quality are the same as  1087.
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The different can be determine by the price lol


Added on December 10, 2010, 1:44 am
QUOTE(zandara @ Dec 10 2010, 01:31 AM)
Hi guys, i did post it at Razer Thread as well. So i decide to post it here too. I had figured out some of my BW keys are different in term of clicky sound. My 3rd row keys seem like different from others. Is it normal for blue switch? But it still working, just the sound
My video below show it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H64PPyG53I
sorry for bad video quality
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ya think so, i only know the space bar is extremely loud.

This post has been edited by jasmineivan: Dec 10 2010, 01:44 AM
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post Dec 10 2010, 04:43 AM

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QUOTE(zandara @ Dec 9 2010, 11:31 AM)
Hi guys, i did post it at Razer Thread as well. So i decide to post it here too. I had figured out some of my BW keys are different in term of clicky sound. My 3rd row keys seem like different from others. Is it normal for blue switch? But it still working, just the sound
My video below show it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H64PPyG53I
sorry for bad video quality
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wtf. ZXC doesn't even sound like blue switches, doesn't even click.
mind to take off your ZXC key cap, and see's what's underneath it? take pics if you could thanks.
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post Dec 10 2010, 06:36 AM

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QUOTE(OCN_fssbzz @ Dec 10 2010, 04:43 AM)
wtf. ZXC doesn't even sound like blue switches, doesn't even click.
mind to take off your ZXC key cap, and see's what's underneath it? take pics if you could thanks.
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As you see at the picture. It doesn't seem any problem. Just only you press it, problem occurred. My spacebar not as loud as i though

This post has been edited by zandara: Dec 10 2010, 06:37 AM
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post Dec 10 2010, 06:51 AM

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it feels like brown when u press those ZXC, according to the video.
the key doesn't even sound click at all.
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QUOTE(OCN_fssbzz @ Dec 10 2010, 06:51 AM)
it feels like brown when u press those ZXC, according to the video.
the key doesn't even sound click at all.
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As jasmineivan said, maybe the spring problem.
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post Dec 10 2010, 08:36 AM

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QUOTE(zandara @ Dec 10 2010, 06:36 AM)
user posted image
As you see at the picture. It doesn't seem any problem. Just only you press it, problem occurred. My spacebar not as loud as i though
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When you click it, feel different? can feel the click, if not then definitely send for RMA.
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post Dec 10 2010, 08:38 AM

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but i dont want the razer keyboard laugh.gif is it true that real mechanical keyboards shouldnt have backlighting?
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post Dec 10 2010, 08:41 AM

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QUOTE(Boomeraangkid @ Dec 10 2010, 08:38 AM)
but i dont want the razer keyboard laugh.gif is it true that real mechanical keyboards shouldnt have backlighting?
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zz,,what the ..... Why mechanical keyboard can't have backlit. Then legend and Xarmor also not mechanical already.
The backlit do nothing with the switches, simply some lighting effect of the extra LED.
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QUOTE(jasmineivan @ Dec 10 2010, 08:36 AM)
When you click it, feel different? can feel the click, if not then definitely send for RMA.
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As i still can type ZZXXCCVVBB, there is a click, but not clicky as DFGJ.
Just you will felt that ZXC non tactile.
I had sent this situation to BL and Razer. So waiting for their response.

This post has been edited by zandara: Dec 10 2010, 08:58 AM

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