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 Mechanical Keyboard Club, For gamers, and typist enthusiasts

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Sky.Live
post Dec 10 2010, 09:06 AM

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FYI

青 <- Blue in Japanese, hope that explians
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post Dec 10 2010, 09:09 AM

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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Dec 10 2010, 09:06 AM)
FYI

青 <- Blue in Japanese, hope that explians
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China ancient era, 青 still means blue.
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post Dec 10 2010, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(jasmineivan @ Dec 10 2010, 08:41 AM)
zz,,what the ..... Why mechanical keyboard can't have backlit. Then legend and Xarmor also not mechanical already.
The backlit do nothing with the switches, simply some lighting effect of the extra LED.
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the owner of the shop that sold the tron mouse in sg said that. he said true mechanical cant have backlight because of the switches below. i dont know if its true or not. just asking whether it is icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Dec 10 2010, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(Boomeraangkid @ Dec 10 2010, 10:04 AM)
the owner of the shop that sold the tron mouse in sg said that. he said true mechanical cant have backlight because of the switches below. i dont know if its true or not. just asking whether it is  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Because of the switches there, so very limited space left compared to the rubber dome keyboard. Difficult to put in the LED and connect all of them with power supply some more with adjustable brightness level.
Anyway , there is really some existing mechanical keyboard with backlit like deck legend, Blackwindow Ultimate, Xarmor U9BL. Don't know why backlit has becoming the trend of gaming keyboard, act most of the time the light just the gimmick or some luxury made the keyboard look better but not really improved anything, but think in future more and more backlit mechanical keyboard will come out.
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QUOTE(jasmineivan @ Dec 10 2010, 10:20 AM)
Because of the switches there, so very limited space left compared to the rubber dome keyboard. Difficult to put in the LED and connect all of them with power supply some more with adjustable brightness level.
Anyway , there is really some existing mechanical keyboard with backlit like deck legend, Blackwindow Ultimate, Xarmor U9BL. Don't know why backlit has becoming the trend of gaming keyboard, act most of the time the light just the gimmick or some luxury made the keyboard look better but not really improved anything, but think in future more and more backlit mechanical keyboard will come out.
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backlit lets me see in the dark laugh.gif but i memorize the key placement so i dont really need backlight now icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Dec 10 2010, 10:41 AM

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is actually because to achieve NKRO, they need diode on under each switches.
diode usually are place under the switch.
see those diode under the switch?
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picture courtesy of sixty from geekhack
if you want to put LED, you need to replace those diode with LED, and in order to achieve the NKRO, you have to place those diode in other position of the PCB, instead of under the key switch.
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post Dec 10 2010, 11:05 AM

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NKRO is better than 2KRO right?
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post Dec 10 2010, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(Boomeraangkid @ Dec 10 2010, 11:05 AM)
NKRO is better than 2KRO right?
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Of cause better, 2KRO means when you stroking some combination of 3 or more than 3 keys then keyboard will stuck and won't respond to your command.
NKRO means all keys can be bump at 1 shot, not really tried that cos I don't have such lot of fingers, but at least my PS2 7g can press 10 keys together.
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post Dec 10 2010, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Dec 10 2010, 09:06 AM)
FYI

青 <- Blue in Japanese, hope that explians
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QUOTE(jasmineivan @ Dec 10 2010, 09:09 AM)
China ancient era, 青 still means blue.
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Heheh, I see I see. laugh.gif
SUSromentheposmen
post Dec 10 2010, 11:22 AM

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Actually 青 is green.
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post Dec 10 2010, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(romentheposmen @ Dec 10 2010, 11:22 AM)
Actually 青 is green.
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it's green in Mandarin,

someone point out it means blue in ancient chinese time which I am not sure.

In Japanese

青い (Aoi) <- Blue
緑 (Midori) <- Green

Anyone recalls Aoi Sora? lol it means blue sky in Japanese

My keyboard is about to be ready for collection in SG soon, sad that I haven't see that TW link yet.. it's much expensive for the SG MO
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post Dec 10 2010, 11:33 AM

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oh, sora aoi, lol. mmmmmm.

now all we need is someone who knows korean so he can navigate the leopold.co.kr and figure out how to buy one.
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post Dec 10 2010, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Dec 10 2010, 11:30 AM)
it's green in Mandarin,

someone point out it means blue in ancient chinese time which I am not sure.

In Japanese

青い (Aoi) <- Blue
緑 (Midori) <- Green

Anyone recalls Aoi Sora? lol it means blue sky in Japanese

My keyboard is about to be ready for collection in SG soon, sad that I haven't see that TW link yet.. it's much expensive for the SG MO
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Ya the word blue sky with qing tian is appearing in ancient chinese poem as well, is standard to use qing as blue. Don't know start from when qing means blue.
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post Dec 10 2010, 11:43 AM

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i guess that takes on the meaning of clear instead of blue like 青水
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post Dec 10 2010, 11:57 AM

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what i just got in the mail today.
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more pic here.
http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=260408&postcount=846

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post Dec 10 2010, 01:23 PM

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QUOTE(Boomeraangkid @ Dec 10 2010, 08:38 AM)
but i dont want the razer keyboard laugh.gif is it true that real mechanical keyboards shouldnt have backlighting?
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No, a keyboard doesn't need led lighting to be a mechanical keyboard.



In reponse to Cnet's review posting some very controversial ratings by rating the DAS kb better than a Topre; i posted how a keyboard should be evaluated upon.





QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin;260103)
Anyway to sum it up; the ratings are reflecting features that are of less importance and as a result unjustly made the Topre look way worse than a DAS; when from what i have seen many in GH feel the realforce is a superior typist keyboard.

So which is more important ? The typing feel or a usb socket for your usb coffee mug as D-EJ915 so kindly pointed out.

The way i see it the rating should be for the most basic and important features of what makes a keyboard first and foremost.


Primary ratings

1. Key print type: silk screened; laser etched; dye sublimated; double shots ?
2. key tech: rubberdome; mechanical switch; topre ?
3. build quality: plastic used; durability of casing, keycaps, controller,NKRO tests; ghosting etc etc....
4. price: Are you getting your bang for buck when considering all the pointers mentioned so far when considering the primary ratings; followed by secondary ratings as an afterthought ? For me personally; keyboards such as Ducky/Filco/Leopold meet the basic requirements i need. A Topre is something more refined for typing. So for myself i'd vote for the former as being more bang for buck than say a Topre; but thats usually up to everyone to decide for themselves.


Secondary ratings

1. lighting = None; or like G15 standard lighting; or better quality lighting like say Deck Legend and Razer Black widow with leds for each individual keys ??

2. macros = e.g. like Razer etc

3. usb = usb ports for your coffee mug warmers etc

etc etc...

4. braided cords


So the main ratings is what should determine if the keyboard is good or not doh.gif secondary ratings is other things to consider but is of less importance as far as the function of a keyboard is concerned.




I do admit i too love led lighted keyboards; especially the high quality ones like found in the Razer black widow which has 1 led for each key. BUT i don't value that over the primary ratings i mentioned.

This is the mistake the gaming keyboard thread are making. They do not understand what makes a good keyboard; and they get lulled by the cool lightings; and these macro features.

Some mechanicals too also have macro features; and led lighting too; but more important they have mechanical switches; and some even have NKRO.

Of course pricing is an important factor. But when i see keyboards like Logitech G19 rubberdomes which sells for as much as a good mechanical keyboard; i don't see what good reason there is to get the rubberdome over a mechanical keyboard in such instances. And even if there are some rubber domes half the cost (like RM2xx range), i feel that paying in the range of RM4xx-Rm5xx is well worth the cost for a good mechanical keyboard that does NKRO for the purpose of gaming and an enjoyable typing experience.

But if you are strapped for cash; and want to upgrade other computer parts such as cpu; graphics cards etc; then yes by all means please do. Using a cheap keyboard until your ready to get a better keyboard is a smart choice. That was what i did with my rig. I prioritsed what i wanted to upgrade e.g. cpu; ram; hard drive space etc; before at the end when i upgraded my keyboard.

A good mechanical keyboard should be seen like; why you get better speakers; or why you get a better gaming mouse. That is pretty much why you would get a better keyboard doh.gif

That was why i made this thread to separate us from such misconceptions lauding the rubberdome bling keyboards over quality mechanical or Topre hybrid keyboards.

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Dec 10 2010, 01:40 PM
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post Dec 10 2010, 02:01 PM

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how do you notice the diff between laser etched, etc?
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post Dec 10 2010, 02:11 PM

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This would be my dream blink on a mechanical keyboard, alas it's a scissor switch luxeed.

all leds are programmable to react the way you one. imagine each key lighting up and fades out as you type them. i jizzed.
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post Dec 10 2010, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(Boomeraangkid @ Dec 10 2010, 02:01 PM)
how do you notice the diff between laser etched, etc?
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Refer here

http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Key...ufacturers+keys

http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=All+About+Keys

http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=STA...ssary+and+Links







Added on December 10, 2010, 2:36 pmBy the way i spotted some cherry g80-3000 doubleshot 104 keys set being sold here

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http://www.inpad.com.tw/goods.php?catId=18



Also there was Ducky 104 engraved keycaps biggrin.gif

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Dec 10 2010, 02:37 PM
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post Dec 10 2010, 02:39 PM

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what other mechanical kb brands that are good besides TG, BW, BW Ult?

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