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jasmineivan
post Dec 6 2010, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Dec 6 2010, 10:54 PM)
Only if you're utilizing them, if your APM is like 30 or 40... then forget aboout NKRO, it doesn't even matter.
If your typing speed is like 20 WPM, then again... forget about NKRO as well.
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Haha 30 to 40 is a bit too low lo. Eventhough play Dota also more than that if i got lot item to cast.
Typing standard typing speed among all public I think is about 50+ ba. I type fastest record not more than 100 ^^, heard somebody in this thread can type at 120 to 150 wpm really pro.
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post Dec 7 2010, 03:56 AM

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Ooh... 120-150 eh? notworthy.gif

I've seen people trying to look like a pro when their WPM is only 40+ with a ton of errors. Figures.

On a membrane, the fastest I've gone is 93 WPM. My average is at 70+ most of the time with 95% accuracy on average.
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post Dec 7 2010, 04:51 AM

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QUOTE(SSJBen @ Dec 7 2010, 03:56 AM)
Ooh... 120-150 eh? notworthy.gif

I've seen people trying to look like a pro when their WPM is only 40+ with a ton of errors. Figures.

On a membrane, the fastest I've gone is 93 WPM. My average is at 70+ most of the time with 95% accuracy on average.
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93 for me is consider very fast already. Because most of this type of typing WPM test they include some " ,' capital letter and some symbol.
Without all this i think i can type about 100+ bit. But always sibeh slow when come to this very disturb my typing 1.
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post Dec 7 2010, 04:57 AM

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bw is 6kro or 2kro..?i read from overclock.net said it 6kro..
correct me if im wrong or misread.looking forward to have it..so i need a survey first.thanks notworthy.gif


Added on December 7, 2010, 5:03 am
no need to explain..i found from ts post already..thanks ts

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micdy
post Dec 7 2010, 09:03 AM

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Hey guys, I am just curious, what is the difference between PBT and ABS keycaps mentioned on mechanical keyboard?
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post Dec 7 2010, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(micdy @ Dec 6 2010, 07:03 PM)
Hey guys, I am just curious, what is the difference between PBT and ABS keycaps mentioned on mechanical keyboard?
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http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=NKe...ogy+and+Results

ZXC fail so it doesn't even pass 3KRO.
so just 2KRO
and gaming optimize cluster.
WASD.
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post Dec 7 2010, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(OCN_fssbzz @ Dec 7 2010, 10:01 AM)
http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=NKe...ogy+and+Results

ZXC fail so it doesn't even pass 3KRO.
so just 2KRO
and gaming optimize cluster.
WASD.
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Hey fssbzz,

It doesn't mentioned anything about PBT and ABS in the website... Anyhow, are you the same person as fssbzz in geekhack? Cause I see that you got yourself a Ducky 9008 Mix switches. May I know where does the brown switches starts from? Cause I see some Chinese forum they starts from [F] and ended at ["]? e.g. http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=8164287464


Also did you get it from pchome with $20 US shipping? How fast is the shipping?

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post Dec 7 2010, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(micdy @ Dec 6 2010, 08:15 PM)
Hey fssbzz,

It doesn't mentioned anything about PBT and ABS in the website... Anyhow, are you the same person as fssbzz in geekhack? Cause I see that you got yourself a Ducky 9008 Mix switches. May I know where does the brown switches starts from? Cause I see some Chinese forum they starts from [F] and ended at ["]? Also did you get it from pchome with $20 US shipping? How fast is the shipping?
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5days to be deliver once it ship.depends on country customs.
ya, same fssbzz from GH
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post Dec 7 2010, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(OCN_fssbzz @ Dec 7 2010, 10:22 AM)
5days to be deliver once it ship.depends on country customs.
ya, same fssbzz from GH

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Thanks for the picture~! Also.. What do u think of the difference between PBT and ABS. Also would you recommend the mix version or pure version to someone who is looking for brown switches?
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post Dec 7 2010, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(micdy @ Dec 6 2010, 08:29 PM)
Thanks for the picture~! Also.. What do u think of the difference between PBT and ABS. Also would you recommend the mix version or pure version to someone who is looking for brown switches?
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i would say pure version instead of mix.
feels kind weird when typing on a mix switches.
i like the cherry mx blue on the numpad.
but not mx black on those big keys like enter backspace, shift except spacebar.
so overall i still think that full pure brown version the best.

PBT got better quality and going to last longer.
but feel very slippery, i probably already use to ABS.
so i think PBT is kinda slippery for me. i like ABS better when typing on it.
ABS is a lot cheaper the pbt.

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post Dec 7 2010, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(OCN_fssbzz @ Dec 7 2010, 10:41 AM)
i would say pure version instead of mix.
feels kind weird when typing on a mix switches.
i like the cherry mx blue on the numpad.
but not mx black on those big keys like enter backspace, shift except spacebar.
so overall i still think that full pure brown version the best.

PBT got better quality and going to last longer.
but feel very slippery, i probably already use to ABS.
so i think PBT is kinda slippery for me. i like ABS better when typing on it.
ABS is a lot cheaper the pbt.
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Thanks for all the advice.. I think I will get the normal keycaps brown from pchome~ Thanks for clarifying them... rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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post Dec 7 2010, 12:04 PM

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What's the advantage of having Cherry Black on the spacebar?
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post Dec 7 2010, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(xcen @ Dec 6 2010, 10:04 PM)
What's the advantage of having Cherry Black on the spacebar?
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you usually bottoming up space bar when u type very fast.
cherry mx black require force more then any mx switch, it might help a bit to prevent that bottoming key happen.
reduce the noise of typing.
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post Dec 7 2010, 01:01 PM

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From the GH forums most people seem to think the chery mx black is the worse for a spacebar.

Clears best for spacebar doh.gif

well that is the general consensus anyway.


ABS plastic is better than the plastic used on say Logitech/Dell etc which uses some other lesser quality plastic. ABS is usually found on old mechanical keyboard casings.

PBT is used on newer mechanical keyboard these days; however they still use abs from time to time because it's cheaper.


Abs will make the keys shiny eventually after hard use. Pbt will have less or no shine with use doh.gif

Also pbt yellows less compared to abs.

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Key Materials and Key Wear

There is a bewildering array of plastics available and when you add in the different additives for softening, the ability to mix plastics, and fire retardants it's not easy to generalize how keys will wear. In addition, keyboard manufacturers generally will not advertise what materials they use in keys and focus instead on cost cutting. These are some of the plastics you may find to be in use:

PS, PC and PVC (Polystyrene, Polycarbonate, Polyvinyl Chloride). Common and cheap. This is a lighter less durable plastic that tends to be vulnerable to solvents. Most keyboards shipping today including Logitech, Microsoft, etc. use some variant of this for their casings and keys.

ABS (Acrylonitrile Butadiene Styrene). It's commonly used for older keyboard casings. It's a comparatively soft material compared to some modern plastics but is resistant to breakage. Topre casings are made of ABS and probably most IBM Model M's are as well. Although I am not sure I suspect Filco and Das keys are made of ABS.

PBT (Polybutylene Terephtalate). PBT is a common choice for modern Cherry keycaps and is what IBM and Unicomp use. It should not yellow as much as ABS over time.

POM (Polyoxymethyleneor better known by the brand name "Delrin"). An abrasion-resistant and low-friction material, this found use in older black Cherry G80 keycaps. However it is expensive and not common in other keyboards.






Read this wiki article to find out more about the differences in the plastic material

http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=All+About+Keys



Anyway bottom line is; if it's ABS, PBT or POM it should be fine; and is way better than the normal crappy PS, PC and PVC (Polystyrene, Polycarbonate, Polyvinyl Chloride) used in logitech/microsoft etc keyboards.

This post has been edited by Moogle Stiltzkin: Dec 7 2010, 01:07 PM
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post Dec 7 2010, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(OCN_fssbzz @ Dec 7 2010, 12:09 PM)
you usually bottoming up space bar when u type very fast.
cherry mx black require force more then any mx switch, it might help a bit to prevent that bottoming key happen.
reduce the noise of typing.
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Of cause mx black is quieter, if using MX blue especially BW even thought not bottoming the spacebar is very noisy.
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post Dec 7 2010, 09:58 PM

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does anyone here knows how to get those colored key caps for Filco keyboard?
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post Dec 7 2010, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(lucidlts @ Dec 7 2010, 09:58 PM)
does anyone here knows how to get those colored key caps for Filco keyboard?
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Do you mean blanks ?
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post Dec 7 2010, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Dec 7 2010, 10:07 PM)
Do you mean blanks ?
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umm, something like this:
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post Dec 7 2010, 10:14 PM

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Oh that one i'm not sure.


KBC a chinese keyboard fan club/forum usually sell custom keycaps. But their usually blanks.

Although they may have laser etched pbt keycaps as well.


The geekhack forum under keyboards are contemplating a 2nd MO for custom made keycaps. Either abs doubleshots or laser etched pbt. they haven't quite decided yet.

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post Dec 7 2010, 10:46 PM

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QUOTE(lucidlts @ Dec 7 2010, 10:12 PM)
umm, something like this:
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The picture looks so weird (i means the picture quality, some pixel there not clear)

And the grey key caps look like rubber coated.

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