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post Mar 28 2011, 05:23 AM

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QUOTE(Party2DMax @ Mar 28 2011, 12:12 AM)
RM1.5k arrr... not really sure what kinda funny pricing is set by local sellers. How much is a Pearl Sensitone Elite stainless steel?
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About RM900. smile.gif I'm looking for something a bit versatile lah..
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QUOTE(Boomeraangkid @ Mar 28 2011, 02:48 PM)
hey how do i tune the toms to sound nice? my toms have a lot of echo when i whack it.
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I think you're having overtone problems bro smile.gif Try using moongel or Evans e-rings or Remo O-rings to help first.

Another thing you can try is to tune the toms to proper intervals (this doesn't really help with overtones lah) which gives a more uniform sound.
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QUOTE(musefanatic @ Mar 28 2011, 05:40 PM)
Where can i get moon gel?
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post Mar 29 2011, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(Boomeraangkid @ Mar 28 2011, 07:36 PM)
how bout evans o-rings? i saw RM42 for 4 sizes. btw the problem is i dont know how the tom should sound like you know. and its frustrating not to be able to get a nice tom sound like those guys who do it in the studio. laugh.gif
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Evans = E-rings. Remo = O-rings

Tuning is number one. Don't tune how YOU want it to be. Tune how the DRUM wants it to be.

Next, if you still need to tone down the overtones, think about rings or moongel. With moongel, you can dampen specific areas, but with rings it takes out everything. It depends what you need it for.


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QUOTE(Boomeraangkid @ Mar 29 2011, 10:36 PM)
i think imma go for rings.

btw at bolded, what you mean ?
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What I mean is, you can't tune all drums the same way. Different drums, "prefer" different tunings. I think the easiest example would be:

Take a 13x3 inch piccolo snare drum. If you tuned it LOW, it would sound bad (probably).

In the same way, different woods, sizes, amount of plies, heads all affect how you ought to tune a drum. Different drums favour different tunings, like a, sort of sweet spot? And when you match all your drums to proper intervals (whether by ear or a tuner), you can probably start to see a big difference. smile.gif

When I talk about intervals, sure, you may have your own preferences, but USUALLY on MOST standard kits, the circle of fifths is usually used, because generally it sounds pleasing to our ears.
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QUOTE(Boomeraangkid @ Mar 29 2011, 11:25 PM)
mm ic thanks. need to tune my drums as i have to perform on IU Day next week  ohmy.gif
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I see... Where and when? My school's IR is next Friday.

Try getting a guitar tuner from a friend and using it.
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QUOTE(brokenbomb @ Mar 30 2011, 06:10 AM)
50% off yamaha dfp 9500 doubles or a regular pricing gibraltar intruder double pedal. which one wud u guys choose?
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Yamaha DFP smile.gif

QUOTE(treflip @ Mar 30 2011, 02:13 PM)
any takers on my pearl reference? need to let go of it asap
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Talk to Rayne1989? He's selling an 80s Tama Imperialstar.
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QUOTE(Party2DMax @ Mar 31 2011, 02:20 PM)
Guys, let's meet up on May 7 for our little snare gathering?

treflip, if it's not sold by then... bring it over and make a recording. It should help with sales tongue.gif
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I wouldn't be surprised if someone there would buy it on the spot. tongue.gif

Tre, used it on any songs/recordings so far?
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QUOTE(Party2DMax @ Mar 31 2011, 08:07 PM)
Er... I mean May 8 afternoon. Right. Done!
Please can I get a final show of hands?

So far there's me... and my jamming buddy.

Snares:
Yamaha Loud Series 14x6.5"
Pearl PHM1465 14x6.5"
Dunnet Classic Titanium 14x6.5"
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QUOTE(WintersuN @ Apr 2 2011, 05:11 PM)
After playing for few hrs I feel my lower back will tired. Do u guys have?
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Proper posture helps a lot, as well as the way your drumset is arranged.

QUOTE(AhBoy~~ @ Apr 2 2011, 11:42 PM)
nice.... HHX ozone more exp than AAX right?
I never cont. practice for more than an hour or two.... after 9pm no practice but now I try not to play after 6pm laugh.gif  so far no complain hope there will not be any in future
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All HHXs are more expensive then AAXs smile.gif

Its like this:
Vault/Prototype/Signature
HH
HHX
AAX/AA
Xs20
B8Pro
B8
SBR

I think!

QUOTE(sarvinG @ Apr 3 2011, 01:51 PM)
Getting myself a Ludwig epic from isaacmiranda. biggrin.gif Any review bout this particular model?
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I think I'm the only one who has it here bro tongue.gif
Anyway bro, I'll unbox it lah, but now I'm not sure if I can let my snare go yet, cause I have a gig coming up this weekend where I'm using it, so perhaps we can deal in 2 weeks or something if you want the snare.
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QUOTE(Boomeraangkid @ Apr 3 2011, 04:40 PM)
is it normal for the snare to make noise when i hit the toms?
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You mean the strainer? Depends on the positioning. It SHOULDN'T lah best case.
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QUOTE(treflip @ Apr 4 2011, 12:53 AM)
that is what u call snare buzz...but u can reduce it by changing the tuning of the tom that cause the buzz and/or the tuning of the snare buttom head...but this is quite technical and you would get this done easily through experience =)
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There was this place I played impromptu, whenever the vocalist went near his mic the strainers started buzzing like crazy. SUPER ANNOYING! In the end I took the snare mic and mic-ed the snare from above.
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QUOTE(Boomeraangkid @ Apr 4 2011, 09:40 PM)
my floor toms are acting strange. the tones are echo-ing. was it my tuning?
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Tuning/Heads?

QUOTE(AhBoy~~ @ Apr 5 2011, 03:29 AM)
I couldn't get used to HHX sound at first but later feel than it sounds nice when with sound.... Vault are too exp... can't afford
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I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN! biggrin.gif
I hated my HHX hats at first, but then I realised they had a really really nice tone. I still need one more pair of hats though tongue.gif
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QUOTE(flamestudio @ Apr 5 2011, 05:04 PM)
Try putting some pillows in. Might help.
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Pillows in floor toms? yawn.gif
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QUOTE(Boomeraangkid @ Apr 5 2011, 06:19 PM)
dont know. im gonna retune it again and see how it goes.. for live perf it doesnt matter if you have snare buzz or not right? laugh.gif its not like anyone can hear it.
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YES IT DOES. Who said people can't hear? Its pretty annoying over a PA system tongue.gif When I play a set with buzz, Iput down the strainers everytime I stop playing. xD

QUOTE(WintersuN @ Apr 6 2011, 03:43 PM)
Hi,

My fren want to drumming and ask me which 1 better and im not sure. Is it better to get Sonor force 505(rm1700) or Premier Olympic (RM1600)?

Which is more worth?

Sonor come without cymbals. Need extra buy hi hat and ride and crash. Premier im not sure but i think come wif cymbal
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I've played both, what cymbals do they come with?

The Premiers are pretty cool, but so are the Sonors for that price. Both need to change heads lah tongue.gif
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QUOTE(brokenbomb @ Apr 6 2011, 06:46 PM)
buy the one without cymbals. haha. then scour the net for some cheap china made cymbals or 2nd hand cymbals.
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J Cymbals are made in the Stagg factory. SAME METAL. Same stuff. ALL THE WAY.
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QUOTE(Boomeraangkid @ Apr 6 2011, 07:51 PM)
haha anyway isaac, start a thread in musical instrument garage sales laugh.gif i might just buy some cheap set of cymbals tongue.gif
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QUOTE(WintersuN @ Apr 6 2011, 08:49 PM)
Sonor no cymbals. Premier i dunno but i think some cheap cymbals as all factory cymbals that coems wif the kit.

SOnor rm100 more expensive than premier. Premier not well known brand so dunno the quality.

WIll those 2 drum sound be comparable? If yes then I will rekomen premier cos cheaper right? Logic right?
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Both drums sound very different, and will be even more different with a change of heads. I've played the Premiers before, and they aren't the worst you can get lah. Both are about the same quality.

QUOTE(beycont @ Apr 7 2011, 02:30 PM)
Man, that's too bad. How do the PDP 805s sound? Easy to tune and a dream to play?

And what's the going rate for a second hand set?  brows.gif
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They sound good, yes, a dream to play, uhh... Not my type lah tongue.gif

QUOTE(Boomeraangkid @ Apr 8 2011, 01:56 PM)
just borrowed some zildjian ZXT's. is it me or i just dont like how the crash and hi hats sound?
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QUOTE(WintersuN @ Apr 8 2011, 05:43 PM)
u think thats bad u should try paiste hi hat. Duno wat the series but i think shud be the cheap stuff. I wented to a studio once for jamming and the hi hat sounds like "pong pong pong"
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Paiste 101s. Brass cymbals biggrin.gif Don't put all Paistes in one basket lahh.. The higher end ones like the 2002s and so on are really nice. I don't like ZXTs either. tongue.gif


Added on April 9, 2011, 4:34 pmAnyone here uses bells actively in their playing? Cowbells, or Ice Bells, Zilbells, Sabian bells...

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QUOTE(major_panic @ Apr 10 2011, 10:05 PM)
If anyone representing a US company wrote emails using grammar that atrocious, they'd be fired instantly. I'd say it's a definite scam. Like the others have said, buy local or buy with an established, well-reputed company.


Added on April 10, 2011, 10:09 pm

I often incorporate a cowbell mounted on the kick drum a la Stanton Moore and Benny Greb... IMO easiest if you're playing funk.
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I see biggrin.gif I used to play a Premier kit with a setup like that.
I know have a cowbell hooked onto a spot just above my main snare, easy to incorporate for rolls tongue.gif

QUOTE(Boomeraangkid @ Apr 11 2011, 06:48 PM)
you guys know Only One- Yellowcard? im trying to play it on my own. well the beat is like bass bass snare bass bass bass bass . but im having a hard time hitting the bass lol. my legs just cant keep up. any way to combat my leg fatigue? :|
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Practice...practice...practice.

Wrong technique perhaps? Sitting position?
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QUOTE(Boomeraangkid @ Apr 11 2011, 08:16 PM)
well partially my tama stagestar drum pedals are kinda beat, the springs rusty. but anyways i didnt know loosening the spring helps. hmm gonna try tomorrow.  brows.gif  i dont even know any pedal technique lol laugh.gif
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Perhaps it could be that? Foot strength perhaps?

Technique I meant like, wrong foot positioning, not the heeltoe/heelup/heeldown thing/


QUOTE(jshchn @ Apr 11 2011, 08:28 PM)
Hey guys. Love reading some of the discussions in this thread.

Just wondering in and around KL/PJ area where are the specialized drum shops? or is it only JS? tongue.gif

I am actually looking for a good set of Hi-hats and 18" crash or crash ride with a budget of RM2000. I was looking at the Dark Meinl Byzances as Underoath drummer Aaron Gillespie abuses it. It sounds so good. What do you recommend?

Do you guys know Mike Johnston? smile.gif

I personally love John Mayer's drummer Steve Jordan. His feel is sooo good.

Happy drumming guys smile.gif
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I'm not sure if you can get the Byzance HATS AND 18' crash(ride) new for that price. Remember with hats, you're paying for two cymbals, and this is Malaysia, not the US. smile.gif

What are your current cymbals/setup?


Anyway guys, church setup:-

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Cymbals from left to right:-
All Zildjian

A Custom Mastersound 14' Hats
Avedis Zildjian Medium Thin 16' Crash
Avedis Zildjian Medium 16' Crash
A Custom Rezo 16' Crash
A Custom Projection 20' Ride

Drums:-
Tama Swingstar (Main five piece set)
Tama Rockstar (Extra two toms on the left)

Both from the Made in Japan era.

Mix of Sennheiser and Shure mics.

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QUOTE(Boomeraangkid @ Apr 11 2011, 09:14 PM)
awesome church set! im seriously in need of cymbals lol
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I just realised bro. With that budget, why not go for Sabian SBRs/ Zildjian ZBT/ Meinl HCSs, why the Paiste 101s? If you want Paiste, PST 3 maybe?


Added on April 12, 2011, 6:17 pm
QUOTE(Rayne1989 @ Apr 11 2011, 04:00 AM)
That's the problem with my fellow fledgling drummers these days, lack of basics and core foundations. Simple things such as dynamic controls, accents and musical groove is being neglected in favour of technicalities and sophisticated/showy skills...

Learning music is like martial arts, you gotta build up the core strengths necessary before moving on to the "interesting" stuffs. Unfortunately, technology and internet has destroyed our patience towards things like this....it's a dying art really...
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I agree with you. A lot of drummers these days neglect basic drumming skills because their "band members" and "fans" find that technical skills are all that matter, and love it when they show off, without realising that they are impeding their eventual level as drummers. Many new players do not realise that even the super-technical drummers in speed metal bands and the like actually did build a core foundation before they moved on to their more advanced playing.

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QUOTE(Party2DMax @ Apr 12 2011, 06:29 PM)
Why not Stagg? tongue.gif
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I suggested to him J Cymbals biggrin.gif But I'm waiting for the price quotes.

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