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post Apr 13 2013, 12:39 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 8 2013, 10:04 AM)
Price is crazy, jumped over 200% within 3 years. All pure speculation as you see all the houses, condo apartment are all empty. Bound to crash soon as the average salary of uni educated executive (freshies) Indonesian in in the median of RM 800-RM 1,200 per month. AND house loan is 9%-12% p.a.

My friend bought the 1000+ sq ft condo at Central Park, at Rp 1.5 Milyar a few years ago, now the selling price is Rp 3.5-4 Milyar.  doh.gif

1 Milyar = 1 billion Rupiah.  tongue.gif = 310k RM
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Indeed buying price more expansive than malaysia props...... Not to sais the subsales..... rclxub.gif
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post Apr 13 2013, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(Beachkid @ Apr 12 2013, 07:58 PM)
Wow that's really good. I was wondering about your parents' rental. How much is their net worth now including properties? Because I know property prices went up already. Also as they must be old age, have they achieved millionniare status as you calculated based on yearly savings and returns?
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Parents own >10 properties all loan settle. Last year dad just get another condo in KL RM500K+

They should have achieve millionaire status..coz I see my dad go bank no que one..the branch manager always invite him in drink coffee one..They go on world tour must got money only can go travel so much ma..1 year go few months is a lot oledi.. tongue.gif

I dunno the returns, I never ask...anyway it is my parents money not mine...smile.gif

I independent do not like to relly on parents much that is why I choose to move out and earn a living on my own when start to work..


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post Apr 13 2013, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(AAAABBBB @ Apr 13 2013, 11:27 AM)
Parents own >10 properties all loan settle. Last year dad just get another condo in KL RM500K+

They should have achieve millionaire status..coz I see my dad go bank no que one..the branch manager always invite him in drink coffee one..They go on world tour must got money only can go travel so much ma..1 year go few months is a lot oledi..  tongue.gif

I dunno the returns, I never ask...anyway it is my parents money not mine...smile.gif

I independent do not like to relly on parents much that is why I choose to move out and earn a living on my own when start to work..
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bro,

Not to take credit away from u, your lifestyle and savings habits certainly worth emulating notworthy.gif
But being not required to support parents is already a major "negative handicap" for u, u start the football match with your opponent scoring 2 own goals within the first 10 minutes, or u=Spain vs Malaysia tongue.gif thumbup.gif

Whereas most of us who had to support parents, we are like England vs Germany sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 13 2013, 11:37 AM)
bro,

Not to take credit away from u, your lifestyle and savings habits certainly worth emulating notworthy.gif
But being not required to support parents is already a major "negative handicap" for u, u start the football match with your opponent scoring 2 own goals within the first 10 minutes, or u=Spain vs Malaysia tongue.gif  thumbup.gif

Whereas most of us who had to support parents, we are like England vs Germany sweat.gif
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I rather make it on my own rather than depending on parents..

That is why I take ptptn loan for my diploma.

Then I come out work already and pay back my loan.

Life maybe hard and suffer at the begining, but without help the struggling will make u a better person.

If depends on parents, can be next CEO or smtg like that without going thru hardship, meaningless life to me. icon_question.gif

I already live a lifestyle like most average common ppl already...Don't u agree?

I make an honest living and savings. It is just I do not support parents. Giving them money every month is very little money to them.

Better if I sometimes bring them out eat hawker stalls, accompany them go holiday being bellboy carry laguage, bring them jln jln., go temple pray, etc. Money is not everything. If rich can give money, if poor like me I give them my time and energy.

It is the same as doing charity. IF got money gives money, if do not have participate give energy and time - still helping right? biggrin.gif
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post Apr 13 2013, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(AAAABBBB @ Apr 13 2013, 12:27 PM)
I rather make it on my own rather than depending on parents..

That is why I take ptptn loan for my diploma.

Then I come out work already and pay back my loan.

Life maybe hard and suffer at the begining, but without help the struggling will make u a better person.

If depends on parents, can be next CEO or smtg like that without going thru hardship, meaningless life to me.  icon_question.gif

I already live a lifestyle like most average common ppl already...Don't u agree?

I make an honest living and savings. It is just I do not support parents. Giving them money every month is very little money to them.

Better if I sometimes bring them out eat hawker stalls, accompany them go holiday being bellboy carry laguage, bring them jln jln., go temple pray, etc. Money is not everything. If rich can give money, if poor like me I give them my time and energy.

It is the same as doing charity. IF got money gives money, if do not have participate give energy and time - still helping right? biggrin.gif
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Maybe u do a simulation, see how much can u save IF u have to support ur parents.

I only got my dad left, pocket money alone already RM700. Then household bills, telephone bills, his car service bills...easily RM1,000 a month. In other words, if I don't have to support my dad, I also can save RM2,000 a month like u! laugh.gif
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post Apr 13 2013, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 13 2013, 12:31 PM)
Maybe u do a simulation, see how much can u save IF u have to support ur parents.

I only got my dad left, pocket money alone already RM700. Then household bills, telephone bills, his car service bills...easily RM1,000 a month. In other words, if I don't have to support my dad, I also can save RM2,000 a month like u! laugh.gif
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You inherit 1/2 house. Not many children inherit such thing. One of them is me.
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post Apr 13 2013, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 13 2013, 12:31 PM)
Maybe u do a simulation, see how much can u save IF u have to support ur parents.

I only got my dad left, pocket money alone already RM700. Then household bills, telephone bills, his car service bills...easily RM1,000 a month. In other words, if I don't have to support my dad, I also can save RM2,000 a month like u! laugh.gif
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But if your parent did not support you, he could be easily a millionaire now without your bantuan hmm.gif

At least, his investment starts to bear some fruits .......congratulation goes to him.

I mean he is farsighted than many others ........

This post has been edited by SKY 1809: Apr 13 2013, 02:37 PM
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post Apr 13 2013, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Apr 13 2013, 02:31 PM)
But if your parent did not support you, he could  be easily a millionaire now without your bantuan hmm.gif

At least,  his investment starts to bear some fruits .......congratulation goes to him.
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sky gor,

you got children ?
Sorry off topic.
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post Apr 13 2013, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Apr 13 2013, 02:37 PM)
sky gor,

  you got children ?
  Sorry off topic.
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post Apr 13 2013, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Apr 13 2013, 02:38 PM)
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1 child - 1million spend on them until 22 year old.

how many child you hv then how million you hv spend on them already.

Going to bill them back? must hv resit one.
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post Apr 13 2013, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Apr 13 2013, 02:43 PM)
1 child - 1million spend on them until 22 year old.

how many child you hv then how million you hv spend on them already.

Going to bill them back? must hv resit one.
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Well, using children as an investment tool is one very old ancient Chinese financial planning method.

But now using this method , likely to get a negative return on the investments.
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post Apr 13 2013, 07:04 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 13 2013, 11:37 AM)
bro,

Not to take credit away from u, your lifestyle and savings habits certainly worth emulating notworthy.gif
But being not required to support parents is already a major "negative handicap" for u, u start the football match with your opponent scoring 2 own goals within the first 10 minutes, or u=Spain vs Malaysia tongue.gif  thumbup.gif

Whereas most of us who had to support parents, we are like England vs Germany sweat.gif
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please don't make an excuse. He is just diploma holder and technician holder with RM 2.8k only.
I saw many degree holder yet no have saving like him.
He does not need to support parent since he does not live with parent
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post Apr 13 2013, 07:07 PM

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Apr 13 2013, 02:43 PM)
1 child - 1million spend on them until 22 year old.

how many child you hv then how million you hv spend on them already.

Going to bill them back? must hv resit one.
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don't think 1 child=1 million maybe less maybe more.
my gf from elementary school till JC got scholarship.

my parents even support his brother..
how about someone has dogs?
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post Apr 13 2013, 07:11 PM

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QUOTE(AAAABBBB @ Apr 13 2013, 11:27 AM)
Parents own >10 properties all loan settle. Last year dad just get another condo in KL RM500K+

They should have achieve millionaire status..coz I see my dad go bank no que one..the branch manager always invite him in drink coffee one..They go on world tour must got money only can go travel so much ma..1 year go few months is a lot oledi..  tongue.gif

I dunno the returns, I never ask...anyway it is my parents money not mine...smile.gif

I independent do not like to relly on parents much that is why I choose to move out and earn a living on my own when start to work..
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your parents are very rich. they let u become a technician kor? no give u business? or not give u inheritance to u?
may i know how many siblings do you hv?

This post has been edited by leonhart88: Apr 13 2013, 07:13 PM
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post Apr 13 2013, 09:09 PM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Apr 13 2013, 07:04 PM)
please don't make an excuse. He is just diploma holder and technician holder with RM 2.8k only.
I saw many degree holder yet no have saving like him.
He does not need to support parent since he does not live with parent
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I did say that I did not intend to take ALL credits away from him.

Just a comparison...

AAAABBBB works as a technician with 2-3K salary, then he also can get some side income from his hobby of fishing.
Let's say it all adds up to around 5K, which is a bit more than my salary as a graduate. HAD HE NEEDED to support his parents/household, his savings and mine would be quite similar.

Just trying to emphasize a point here that its not an easy feat to support parents, not that I'm trying to ask everyone not to...

The most ideal situation would be parents having enough savings to sustain themselves, which AAAABBBB has the privilege of finding himself in.

Overspending on kids until no savings for retirement years > rely on kids > kids burdened to support parents > no savings > kids have to rely on grandkids

Its a vicious cycle.
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post Apr 13 2013, 09:30 PM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Apr 13 2013, 07:07 PM)
don't think 1 child=1 million maybe less maybe more.
my gf from elementary school till JC got scholarship.

my parents even support his brother..
how about someone has dogs?
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that is old day. Present and future will cost 1millon for a child.

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post Apr 14 2013, 02:35 PM

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I have two, so I need RM2m??

Don't worry about the number, just do it accordingly.

No point to worry too much on the future, just work harder and smarter for improving the earnings and manage your money accordingly.
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post Apr 14 2013, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(AskChong @ Apr 14 2013, 02:35 PM)
I have two, so I need RM2m??

Don't worry about the number, just do it accordingly.

No point to worry too much on the future, just work harder and smarter for improving the earnings and manage your money accordingly.
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QUOTE(felixmask @ Apr 14 2013, 03:43 PM)
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Working hard and smart may not be enough.......in Bolehland

U may have to Vote smart, then you may be able to save some money ( a million or 2 ) on child education funds........

Even saving a couple of few hundred K is worth a smart vote.

Regards.....

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QUOTE(exia5733 @ Sep 27 2010, 10:57 PM)
Hard to believe you are a graduate with 3 yrs working experience earning just RM1.7K. You seem to be mature in thinking and come across as a well adjusted individual. Maybe you just need to be a little more ambitious. Best of luck in your future endeavor!
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hi..maybe you can think if investing in unit trust which could give you higher returns than normal savings account or even FD. If interested kindly contact me at nitznit@yahoo.com

Furthermore, if you interested in getting tax redemption up to RM3k, you can consider investing in Private retirement Scheme (PRS).

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