I still dont get it...

using random is like a sort of double edge sword with Pros and Cons.

the good part if a player random is like mention above it gives the player a element of suprise as the enemy have to start with a general build order than once sending a scout to check the enemy he has to waste some time to change his build order to counter the enemy.

Well but the drawback is that what if your random race brings you to an disadvantage like e.g lets say your enemy is an Ork and u random become a eldar and the map got alot of heavy cover so you end up in a disadvatage as the ork can take advantage of heavy cover if the fight is not favoring them. ( i know they counter for all this iam just using this senario as a to show what i mean)

I agree with H@H@ postings. If DOW is a true Strategy game, having random races wouldnt be an issue as they should have the necessary counter units against each other.

However, the fact of the matter is that, with all the Bugs and imbalance issues currently existing within the game, having random races assigned in tourneys would be an unfair advantage to any one of the competing teams.

Where do you guys play DoW? Own LAN or CC? Any weekly sessions going on?

I agree with H@H@ posting as well but DOW races does have multiple strategies, the problem i feel lies in the fact that the ability for certain races to use their strategies are locked in their tier levels. Allow me to explain if you guys dont mind, lets use a battle between an Ork player and an Eldar player. The Eldar player has the mobility of their race to do specialized and concentrated attacks on the Orks whereas the Orks require their Waaagh to be red before they really cause wrecking damage. The Eldar dominance is at tier 1 till 2 and supported by tier 3(meaning their tier 3 just helps to enforce their hold on the map). The Orks will have to fight it out, to get to tier 3 in which their killakans, leman russ will able to break the eldar's iron grip control on the map. This is where the Orks shine cause in the midst of the chaos, the Orks infantry are able to sweep the area clean with their nobz. So in summary, Eldar will try to keep its enemy down and try not to let their enemy advance up the tier, which if it is not stopped it will guarantee the Eldar's fall. The Orks however really shine in full Waaagh and tier 3. In the 1.3 patch, Orks now mostly get owned very fast thus resulting in an easy kill for the Eldar race. Its in this situations, i would suggest for relic to take a look at the Ork race and rebalance them. I know this upsets a lot of Ork players and also is trouble for tourneys cause that might be a balance problem.

But i would i rather have the tourneys in fixed races as that will show how DOW is superior than other strategy games.(i say this cause i love this game so much). Another reason to have fixed races would really allow players to use multiple different strategies than the same strategy over and over. Fixed races will be so cool for 1vs1.

Fixed races will might not work for 2vs2 because ppl tend to use that which guarantees them victory and most ppl are lazy to think up new ways of defeating their opponents. I think this is because the teams are most likely to combine their army and use the units that will counter the enemies units such as how warp spiders are monsters against Orks.

For the record, DOW still has some balance issues that need to be addressed. I just hope it will be addressed and not ignored cause this is such a good game that totally took strategy games to a higher level. Also hope WA will contain the patches that will once and for all solve this problems and give us endless hours of fun.




Well im hope i didnt offend ayone. if i did im sorry.

No apologies needed Hunt...

This is a Forum and you have very right to give your opinions

hmmm, after reading all the comments here, i must say i have to take whatever i said back.

everyone here has a valid point for fixing races, we might look into that next time.

it does makes the game fairer as strategies used become more, consistent.

thank you so much.

Winter Assualt will be out before WCG grandfinals in singapore, and from what i have heard from some of my online friends, there will be a patch for Dawn of War that comes with the expansion. So hopefully any outstanding issues will be resolved in time for grand finals.

Well my friend and i play at dotcom 9 in O.U.G

We kinda go on saturdays and sometimes weekdays(when we can).


Well i nowadays usually play online in segmentum solar.

My friend and i are still looking for local LAN ppl to play with

This post has been edited by Hunt: Jun 29 2005, 12:11 PM

Too bad no one from Malaysia gets to go to the WCG Grandfinals....

I usually play at SS15 but sometimes i'll be in Summer Dream, Klang (usually weekends)

I'm pretty sure they won't use whatever patch that comes out as its too near the competition for teams to adapt... Plus, the patch has to come out considerably earlier than the earliest prelims to allow teams to practice on it. You can't suddenly change versions after some teams have gone through certain stages of the competition.

What really sucks is that they removed DOW from the competitions here.




this really bites.

How about a Online DOW contest??
Encourage more ppl buy original games

Kingkong raise both ur hand, shake ur butt and show strong agree
to my post


Ravana is Top20 of online ladder now.
He will rip off all ur head

This post has been edited by johnnycp: Jun 29 2005, 12:57 PM

Nah, I wont rip off your heads, besides almost everyone says that eldar is imbalance and is easy to climb ladder with it, i agree to that to an extent, that is why i am also playing the other races on some smurf accounts. In fact, i recommend playing all sides, it really is very fun, you will be able to see how it feels like to be a space marine player and being slowly tortured by a high lvl eldar player.
Then when you go back to play eldar, you will find that it is so easy to play against space marines.

Honestly, i really like the way u manage ur squad and economy.
i try to follow ur step, but i fell

i always forgot something when i put too much concentration on the otherside

eldar is the most hardest to control ur army. stupid TAB-F TAB-F.
the more i press, the more messy it is. LOL

maybe my finger reaction is slow. time to go see doctor:)

King, I acknowledge you for your open-minded acceptance of our arguments. It's not often I see people go "yes that's a good idea, better than what I used to think", especially on forums.

Next: random races IS good! I think, especially in a team game, that having a random race makes it a very interesting match. It would imply that the team having the random player would have practiced with all possible match-ups. And yes, the opponents would have to scout / recon the random to find out who they were, which is a fact of strategy games anyway.

King, will you guys be bringing in Winter Assault? Any dates yet?

Ravana, congrats. You guys played one hell of a game against EC Team in the tournament, that replay made great viewing.

Random race?? No pls
but if it is online automatch, then YES!. you dont know mine and i dont know urs

if it is custom game, you use random and i choose one of 4 race. you already know my race. so it is unfair.

It is better to choose ur race when u register the tournament,
after that it is fixed.


ahhh shit, anyone understand what im talking about.
my english is so poor



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Ravana,

i have some replay posted at dow.sanctuary-network
can u comment some, i really play like a shit
anywhere my name is warhamster50k if u still remember
thx

This post has been edited by johnnycp: Jun 29 2005, 04:19 PM

Dont worry johnnycp, i still remember you, we played quite frequently before the tournament. Well, basicaly you already play correctly, its just that maybe you need to improve on micro and buidling a stable econ, also a very important part in this game and i think most RTS would be timing, if you know what the enemy is doing at a certain period during the game, then you would know when to attack and when not to, this applies to games like the C&C series and even WC3+FT.

Just watch more replays, especially the high level players.

Also to comment on usage of random races, i believe random races is fair in all aspects, as said by someone before, it is like a double edge sword for the random player, unless that player is really god-like in all the sides then thats a different story, but having random really adds more flavour into the game, it introduces early scouting, since if everyone has their selected races then the element of suprise is not that great anymore.

Ravana is a killer player, his advice is one for the books



I totally agree but it would be nice to know that they managed to address the balance issues with WA. It shows that they do care for gamers satisfaction. I just hate the fact that game developers dont care about making games last through the centuries and just concentrate on making more money. I still believe that Relic will do the right thing.



King your comments soothe a burn caused by imbalances.
It is nice to know that tourney organisers take time to allow our opinions show its impact in your decision making. dont take this the wrong way, its a compliment.



Random races in DOW tourneys will be a nice change to the normal " i know what units hand you your armies ass"

Just wondering if anyone knows a good Ork strategy to use online. Just cant hold ground
When i play the other races, i always have a chance to turn the tide but thats not the case with the Orks.
Thought Orks was supposed to be a brutal CC race but every other race seems to kill the Orks like they were butter. By the time i melee with the enemy, i only have a squad with its morale broken. The 1.3patch really blowed the Orks strategy. Im still gonna try to climb the ladder with the Orks


Hope you guys dont mind sharing intell.

ork is a great race..