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post Sep 14 2010, 10:15 AM, updated 14y ago

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Hollow earth is about another world underneath us. It said that the crust is about 800 miles thick and the center of the gravity is about 400 miles. The inner earth have small sun illuminate the inner world. Tropical forest is in the inner world, animal that have century died on the outer worl lives in the inner world.

Discuss this theory. And see how much evidence can we debunk it or made plausible.

Here some picture regarding the hollow earth.

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Early history
In ancient times, the idea of subterranean realms seemed arguable, and became intertwined with the concept of "places" such as the Greek Hades, the Nordic svartalfheim, the Christian Hell, and the Jewish Sheol (with details describing inner Earth in Kabalistic literature, such as the Zohar and Hesed L'Avraham).

Edmond Halley in 1692 put forth the idea of Earth consisting of a hollow shell about 800 km (500 miles) thick, two inner concentric shells and an innermost core, about the diameters of the planets Venus, Mars, and Mercury. Atmospheres separate these shells, and each shell has its own magnetic poles. The spheres rotate at different speeds. Halley proposed this scheme in order to explain anomalous compass readings. He envisaged the atmosphere inside as luminous (and possibly inhabited) and speculated that escaping gas caused the Aurora Borealis.
De Camp and Ley have claimed (in their Lands Beyond) that Leonhard Euler also proposed a hollow-Earth idea, getting rid of multiple shells and postulating an interior sun 1000 km (600 miles) across to provide light to advanced inner-Earth civilization (but they provide no references). However in his Letters to a German princess Euler describes a thought experiment involving a patently solid Earth.


20th century
The Nazi era Thule Society reported much about Tibetan myths of openings into the Earth. There is even a theory that Hitler ordered a research journey for such an opening in Antarctica, based on a speech of Admiral Dönitz in front of a German submarine in 1944, when he claimed "The German submarine fleet is proud of having built an invisible fortification for the Führer, anywhere in the world." During the Nuremberg Trials, Dönitz spoke of "an invisible fortification, in midst of the eternal ice."
An early twentieth-century proponent of hollow Earth, William Reed, wrote Phantom of the Poles in 1906. He supported the idea of a hollow Earth, but without interior shells or inner sun.

Marshall Gardner wrote A Journey to the Earth's Interior in 1913 and an expanded edition in 1920. He placed an interior sun in the hollow Earth. He even built a working model of the hollow Earth and patented it (#1096102). Gardner made no mention of Reed, but did take Symmes to task for his ideas. In the same time Vladimir Obruchev wrote a fiction novel Plutonia, where the hollow Earth's interior possessed one inner (central) sun and was inhabited by prehistoric species. The interior was connected with the surface by a hole in the Arctic.

Other writers have proposed that "ascended masters" of esoteric wisdom inhabit subterranean caverns or a hollow Earth. Antarctica, the North Pole, Tibet, Peru, and Mount Shasta in California, USA, have all had their advocates as the locations of entrances to a subterranean realm referred to as Agartha, with some even advancing the hypothesis that UFOs have their homeland in these places.

A book allegedly by a "Dr. Raymond Bernard" which appeared in 1964, The Hollow Earth, exemplifies this idea. The book rehashes Reed and Gardner's ideas and ignores Symmes. Bernard also adds his own ideas: the Ring Nebula proves the existence of hollow worlds, as well as speculation on the fate of Atlantis and the origin of flying saucers. "Bernard" argued that the inhabitants of Atlantis took refuge in the Earth's interior before the city was destroyed in great calamity. It was Atlanteans who piloted the flying machines known in ancient India as vimanas and in the modern world as flying saucers. After the US bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Bernard claimed, the Atlanteans became concerned that radioactive air might flow into the world's interior, and so some emerged in their flying saucers in an act of self-defense.[5] An article by Martin Gardner revealed that Dr.Walter Siegmeister used the pseudonym `Bernard', but not until the publishing of Walter Kafton-Minkel's Subterranean Worlds: 100,000 years of dragons, dwarves, the dead, lost races & UFOs from inside the Earth, in 1989, did the full story of Bernard/Siegmeister become well known.

The pages of the science fiction pulp magazine Amazing Stories promoted one such idea from 1945 to 1949 as "the Shaver Mystery". The magazine's editor, Ray Palmer, ran a series of stories by Richard Sharpe Shaver supposedly claimed as factual, though presented in the context of fiction. Shaver claimed that a superior pre-historic race had built a honeycomb of caves in the Earth, and that their degenerate descendants, known as "Dero", live there still, using the fantastic machines abandoned by the ancient races to torment those of us living on the surface. As one characteristic of this torment, Shaver described "voices" that purportedly came from no explainable source. Thousands of readers wrote to affirm that they, too, had heard the fiendish voices from inside the Earth.

Fantastic stories (supposedly believed as factual within fringe circles) have also circulated that Adolf Hitler and some of his followers escaped to hollow lands within the Earth after World War II via an entrance in Antarctica. (See also Hitler's supposed adherence to concave hollow-Earth ideas, below.)

Some writers have proposed building megastructures that have some similarities to a hollow Earth – see Dyson sphere, Globus Cassus.


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post Sep 14 2010, 10:21 AM

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Hollow your head. You watch too many fantasy movie. Need go learn std5 science then you will know the layers of the earth.
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post Sep 14 2010, 10:23 AM

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again my question why is the opening dark when there is a freaking sun inside the earth

and this is not a theory, it is a really easy to proof hypotesis, why dont the people supporting this claim go to north or south pole and decent the opening, there will be solid proof.

also the question about the mass of the earth, how come the crust be so heavy? since the center is hallow, all the mass of the earth is on the crust, which would mean it need to be much denser than rock.

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it is on the internet so it must be true.
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post Sep 14 2010, 10:25 AM

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Added website to view:

http://www.earthmagazine.org/earth/article/140-7d8-a-9

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread592042/pg1

These are both related.
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post Sep 14 2010, 10:26 AM

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If its hollow and we can hide inside, it could be a tool for use to excape the 2012 holocaust. We'll be cavern dwellers just like dwarfs in Lord of the rings laugh.gif
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Admiral Richard B. Byrd's Diary (Feb. Mar. 1947 )

The exploration flight over the North Pole
( The Inner Earth My Secret Diary )


I must write this diary in secrecy and obscurity. It con cerns my Arctic flight of the nineteenth day of February in the year of Nineteen and Forty Seven.

There comes a time when the rationality of men must fade into insignificance and one must accept the inevitability of the Truth! I am not at liberty to disclose the following documenta tion at this writing ...perhaps it shall never see the light of public scrutiny, but I must do my duty and record here for all to read one day. In a world of greed and exploitation of certain of mankind can no longer suppress that which is truth.



FLIGHT LOG: BASE CAMP ARCTIC, 2/19/1947



0600 Hours- All preparations are complete for our flight north ward and we are airborne with full fuel tanks at 0610 Hours.
0620 Hours- fuel mixture on starboard engine seems too rich, adjustment made and Pratt Whittneys are running smoothly.

0730 Hours- Radio Check with base camp. All is well and radio reception is normal.

0740 Hours- Note slight oil leak in starboard engine, oil pres sure indicator seems normal, however.

0800 Hours- Slight turbulence noted from easterly direction at altitude of 2321 feet, correction to 1700 feet, no further turbu lence, but tail wind increases, slight adjustment in throttle controls, aircraft performing very well now.

0815 Hours- Radio Check with base camp, situation normal.

0830 Hours- Turbulence encountered again, increase altitude to 2900 feet, smooth flight conditions again.

0910 Hours- Vast Ice and snow below, note coloration of yellowish nature, and disperse in a linear pattern. Altering course foe a better examination of this color pattern below, note reddish or purple color also. Circle this area two full turns and return to assigned compass heading. Position check made again to base camp, and relay information concerning colorations in the Ice and snow below.

0910 Hours- Both Magnetic and Gyro compasses beginning to gyrate and wobble, we are unable to hold our heading by instrumentation. Take bearing with Sun compass, yet all seems well. The controls are seemingly slow to respond and have sluggish quality, but there is no indication of Icing!

0915 Hours- In the distance is what appears to be mountains.

0949 Hours- 29 minutes elapsed flight time from the first sight ing of the mountains, it is no illusion. They are mountains and consisting of a small range that I have never seen before!

0955 Hours- Altitude change to 2950 feet, encountering strong turbulence again.

1000 Hours- We are crossing over the small mountain range and still proceeding northward as best as can be ascertained. Beyond the mountain range is what appears to be a valley with a small river or stream running through the center portion. There should be no green valley below! Something is definitely wrong and abnormal here! We should be over Ice and Snow! To the portside are great forests growing on the mountain slopes. Our navigation Instruments are still spinning, the gyroscope is oscillating back and forth!

1005 Hours- I alter altitude to 1400 feet and execute a sharp left turn to better examine the valley below. It is green with either moss or a type of tight knit grass. The Light here seems different. I cannot see the Sun anymore. We make another left turn and we spot what seems to be a large animal of some kind below us. It appears to be an elephant! NO!!! It looks more like a mammoth! This is incredible! Yet, there it is! Decrease altitude to 1000 feet and take binoculars to better examine the animal. It is confirmed - it is definitely a mammoth-like ani mal! Report this to base camp.

1030 Hours- Encountering more rolling green hills now. The external temperature indicator reads 74 degrees Fahrenheit! Continuing on our heading now. Navigation instruments seem normal now. I am puzzled over their actions. Attempt to contact base camp. Radio is not functioning!

1130 Hours- Countryside below is more level and normal (if I may use that word). Ahead we spot what seems to be a city!!!! This is impossible! Aircraft seems light and oddly buoyant. The controls refuse to respond!! My GOD!!! Off our port and star board wings are a strange type of aircraft. They are closing rapidly alongside! They are disc-shaped and have a radiant quality to them. They are close enough now to see the markings on them. It is a type of Swastika!!! This is fantastic. Where are we! What has happened. I tug at the controls again. They will not respond!!!! We are caught in an invisible vice grip of some type!

1135 Hours- Our radio crackles and a voice comes through in English with what perhaps is a slight Nordic or Germanic accent! The message is: 'Welcome, Admiral, to our domain. We shall land you in exactly seven minutes! Relax, Admiral, you are in good hands.' I note the engines of our plane have stopped running! The aircraft is under some strange control and is now turning itself. The controls are useless.

1140 Hours- Another radio message received. We begin the landing process now, and in moments the plane shudders slightly, and begins a descent as though caught in some great unseen elevator! The downward motion is negligible, and we touch down with only a slight jolt!

1145 Hours- I am making a hasty last entry in the flight log. Several men are approaching on foot toward our aircraft. They are tall with blond hair. In the distance is a large shimmering city pulsating with rainbow hues of color. I do not know what is going to happen now, but I see no signs of weapons on those approaching. I hear now a voice ordering me by name to open the cargo door. I comply. END LOG


From this point I write all the following events here from memory. It defies the imagination and would seem all but madness if it had not happened.

The radioman and I are taken from the aircraft and we are re ceived in a most cordial manner. We were then boarded on a small platform-like conveyance with no wheels! It moves us toward the glowing city with great swiftness. As we approach, the city seems to be made of a crystal material. Soon we arrive at a large building that is a type I have never seen before. It appears to be right out of the design board of Frank Lloyd Wright, or perhaps more correctly, out of a Buck Rogers setting!! We are given some type of warm beverage which tasted like nothing I have ever savored before. It is delicious. After about ten minutes, two of our wondrous appearing hosts come to our quarters and announce that I am to accompany them. I have no choice but to comply. I leave my radioman behind and we walk a short dis tance and enter into what seems to be an elevator. We descend downward for some moments, the machine stops, and the door lifts silently upward! We then proceed down a long hallway that is lit by a rose-colored light that seems to be emanating from the very walls themselves! One of the beings motions for us to stop before a great door. Over the door is an inscription that I cannot read. The great door slides noiselessly open and I am beckoned to enter. One of my hosts speaks. 'Have no fear, Admiral, you are to have an audience with the Master...'

I step inside and my eyes adjust to the beautiful coloration that seems to be filling the room completely. Then I begin to see my sur roundings. What greeted my eyes is the most beautiful sight of my entire existence. It is in fact too beautiful and wondrous to describe. It is exquisite and delicate. I do not think there exists a human term that can describe it in any detail with justice! My thoughts are interrupted in a cordial manner by a warm rich voice of melodious quality, 'I bid you welcome to our domain, Admiral.' I see a man with delicate features and with the etching of years upon his face. He is seated at a long table. He motions me to sit down in one of the chairs. After I am seated, he places his fingertips together and smiles. He speaks softly again, and conveys the following.

'We have let you enter here because you are of noble character and well-known on the Surface World, Admiral.' Surface World, I half-gasp under my breath! 'Yes," the Master replies with a smile, 'you are in the domain of the Arianni, the Inner World of the Earth. We shall not long delay your mission, and you will be safely escorted back to the surface and for a distance beyond. But now, Admiral, I shall tell you why you have been summoned here. Our interest rightly begins just after your race exploded the first atomic bombs over Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan. It was at that alarm ing time we sent our flying machines, the "Flugelrads", to your surface world to investigate what your race had done. That is, of course, past history now, my dear Admiral, but I must continue on. You see, we have never interfered before in your race's wars, and barbarity, but now we must, for you have learned to tamper with a certain power that is not for man, namely, that of atomic energy. Our emissaries have already delivered messages to the powers of your world, and yet they do not heed. Now you have been chosen to be witness here that our world does exist. You see, our Culture and Science is many thousands of years beyond your race, Admiral.' I interrupted, 'But what does this have to do with me, Sir?'

The Master's eyes seemed to penetrate deeply into my mind, and after studying me for a few moments he replied, 'Your race has now reached the point of no return, for there are those among you who would destroy your very world rather than relinquish their power as they know it...' I nodded, and the Master continued, 'In 1945 and afterward, we tried to contact your race, but our efforts were met with hostility, our Flugelrads were fired upon. Yes, even pursued with malice and animosity by your fighter planes. So, now, I say to you, my son, there is a great storm gathering in your world, a black fury that will not spend itself for many years. There will be no answer in your arms, there will be no safety in your science. It may rage on until every flower of your culture is trampled, and all human things are leveled in vast chaos. Your recent war was only a prelude of what is yet to come for your race. We here see it more clearly with each hour..do you say I am mistaken?'

'No,' I answer, 'it happened once before, the dark ages came and they lasted for more than five hundred years.'

'Yes, my son,' replied the Master, 'the dark ages that will come now for your race will cover the Earth like a pall, but I believe that some of your race will live through the storm, beyond that, I cannot say. We see at a great distance a new world stirring from the ruins of your race, seeking its lost and legendary treasures, and they will be here, my son, safe in our keeping. When that time arrives, we shall come forward again to help revive your culture and your race. Perhaps, by then, you will have learned the futility of war and its strife...and after that time, certain of your culture and science will be returned for your race to begin anew. You, my son, are to return to the Surface World with this message.....'

With these closing words, our meeting seemed at an end. I stood for a moment as in a dream....but, yet, I knew this was reality, and for some strange reason I bowed slightly, either out of respect or humility, I do not know which.

Suddenly, I was again aware that the two beautiful hosts who had brought me here were again at my side. 'This way, Admiral,' motioned one. I turned once more before leaving and looked back toward the Master. A gentle smile was etched on his delicate and ancient face. 'Farewell, my son,' he spoke, then he gestured with a lovely, slender hand a motion of peace and our meeting was truly ended.

Quickly, we walked back through the great door of the Master's chamber and once again entered into the elevator. The door slid silently downward and we were at once going upward. One of my hosts spoke again, 'We must now make haste, Admiral, as the Master desires to delay you no longer on your scheduled timetable and you must return with his message to your race.'

I said nothing. All of this was almost beyond belief, and once again my thoughts were interrupted as we stopped. I entered the room and was again with my radioman. He had an anxious expres sion on his face. As I approached, I said, 'It is all right, Howie, it is all right.' The two beings motioned us toward the awaiting conveyance, we boarded, and soon arrived back at the aircraft. The engines were idling and we boarded immediately. The whole atmosphere seemed charged now with a certain air of urgency. After the cargo door was closed the aircraft was imme diately lifted by that unseen force until we reached an altitude of 2700 feet. Two of the aircraft were alongside for some dis tance guiding us on our return way. I must state here, the airspeed indicator registered no reading, yet we were moving along at a very rapid rate.

215 Hours- A radio message comes through. 'We are leaving you now, Admiral, your controls are free. Auf Wiedersehen!!!!' We watched for a moment as the flugelrads disappeared into the pale blue sky.

The aircraft suddenly felt as though caught in a sharp downdraft for a moment. We quickly recovered her control. We do not speak for some time, each man has his thoughts....

ENTRY IN FLIGHT LOG CONTINUES:

220 Hours- We are again over vast areas of ice and snow, and approximately 27 minutes from base camp. We radio them, they respond. We report all conditions normal....normal. Base camp expresses relief at our re-established contact.

300 Hours- We land smoothly at base camp. I have a mission.....

END LOG ENTRIES.

March 11, 1947. I have just attended a staff meeting at the Pentagon. I have stated fully my discovery and the message from the Master. All is duly recorded. The President has been ad vised. I am now detained for several hours (six hours, thirty- nine minutes, to be exact.) I am interviewed intently by Top Security Forces and a medical team. It was an ordeal!!!! I am placed under strict control via the national security provisions of this United States of America. I am ORDERED TO REMAIN SILENT IN REGARD TO ALL THAT I HAVE LEARNED, ON THE BEHALF OF HUMANITY1111 Incredible! I am reminded that I am a military man and I must obey orders.

30/12/56: FINAL ENTRY:

These last few years elapsed since 1947 have not been kind...I now make my final entry in this singular diary. In closing, I must state that I have faithfully kept this matter secret as directed all these years. It has been completely against my values of moral right. Now, I seem to sense the long night coming on and this secret will not die with me, but as all truth shall, it will triumph and so it shall.

This can be the only hope for mankind. I have seen the truth and it has quickened my spirit and has set me free! I have done my duty toward the monstrous military industrial complex. Now, the long night begins to approach, but there shall be no end. Just as the long night of the Arctic ends, the brilliant sunshine of Truth shall come again....and those who are of darkness shall fall in it's Light..FOR I HAVE SEEN THAT LAND BEYOND THE POLE, THAT CENTER OF THE GREAT UNKNOWN.

Admiral Richard E. Byrd
United States Navy
24 December 1956


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post Sep 14 2010, 10:29 AM

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are you talking about secret society that building underground settlement to avoid 2012?
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OMG, i am so gonna believe it so I wouldnt sounds like some poor fag that dun have internet access. Long live Admiral Richard E. Byrd for discovering the ******* of the earth.
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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 14 2010, 10:27 AM)
Dairy of an Admiral !!

Admiral Richard B. Byrd's Diary (Feb. Mar. 1947 )

The exploration flight over the North Pole
( The Inner Earth My Secret Diary )
I must write this diary in secrecy and obscurity. It con cerns my Arctic flight of the nineteenth day of February in the year of Nineteen and Forty Seven.

There comes a time when the rationality of men must fade into insignificance and one must accept the inevitability of the Truth! I am not at liberty to disclose the following documenta tion at this writing ...perhaps it shall never see the light of public scrutiny, but I must do my duty and record here for all to read one day. In a world of greed and exploitation of certain of mankind can no longer suppress that which is truth.
FLIGHT LOG: BASE CAMP ARCTIC, 2/19/1947
0600 Hours- All preparations are complete for our flight north ward and we are airborne with full fuel tanks at 0610 Hours.
0620 Hours- fuel mixture on starboard engine seems too rich, adjustment made and Pratt Whittneys are running smoothly.

0730 Hours- Radio Check with base camp. All is well and radio reception is normal.

0740 Hours- Note slight oil leak in starboard engine, oil pres sure indicator seems normal, however.

0800 Hours- Slight turbulence noted from easterly direction at altitude of 2321 feet, correction to 1700 feet, no further turbu lence, but tail wind increases, slight adjustment in throttle controls, aircraft performing very well now.

0815 Hours- Radio Check with base camp, situation normal.

0830 Hours- Turbulence encountered again, increase altitude to 2900 feet, smooth flight conditions again.

0910 Hours- Vast Ice and snow below, note coloration of yellowish nature, and disperse in a linear pattern. Altering course foe a better examination of this color pattern below, note reddish or purple color also. Circle this area two full turns and return to assigned compass heading. Position check made again to base camp, and relay information concerning colorations in the Ice and snow below.

0910 Hours- Both Magnetic and Gyro compasses beginning to gyrate and wobble, we are unable to hold our heading by instrumentation. Take bearing with Sun compass, yet all seems well. The controls are seemingly slow to respond and have sluggish quality, but there is no indication of Icing!

0915 Hours- In the distance is what appears to be mountains.

0949 Hours- 29 minutes elapsed flight time from the first sight ing of the mountains, it is no illusion. They are mountains and consisting of a small range that I have never seen before!

0955 Hours- Altitude change to 2950 feet, encountering strong turbulence again.

1000 Hours- We are crossing over the small mountain range and still proceeding northward as best as can be ascertained. Beyond the mountain range is what appears to be a valley with a small river or stream running through the center portion. There should be no green valley below! Something is definitely wrong and abnormal here! We should be over Ice and Snow! To the portside are great forests growing on the mountain slopes. Our navigation Instruments are still spinning, the gyroscope is oscillating back and forth!

1005 Hours- I alter altitude to 1400 feet and execute a sharp left turn to better examine the valley below. It is green with either moss or a type of tight knit grass. The Light here seems different. I cannot see the Sun anymore. We make another left turn and we spot what seems to be a large animal of some kind below us. It appears to be an elephant! NO!!! It looks more like a mammoth! This is incredible! Yet, there it is! Decrease altitude to 1000 feet and take binoculars to better examine the animal. It is confirmed - it is definitely a mammoth-like ani mal! Report this to base camp.

1030 Hours- Encountering more rolling green hills now. The external temperature indicator reads 74 degrees Fahrenheit! Continuing on our heading now. Navigation instruments seem normal now. I am puzzled over their actions. Attempt to contact base camp. Radio is not functioning!

1130 Hours- Countryside below is more level and normal (if I may use that word). Ahead we spot what seems to be a city!!!! This is impossible! Aircraft seems light and oddly buoyant. The controls refuse to respond!! My GOD!!! Off our port and star board wings are a strange type of aircraft. They are closing rapidly alongside! They are disc-shaped and have a radiant quality to them. They are close enough now to see the markings on them. It is a type of Swastika!!! This is fantastic. Where are we! What has happened. I tug at the controls again. They will not respond!!!! We are caught in an invisible vice grip of some type!

1135 Hours- Our radio crackles and a voice comes through in English with what perhaps is a slight Nordic or Germanic accent! The message is: 'Welcome, Admiral, to our domain. We shall land you in exactly seven minutes! Relax, Admiral, you are in good hands.' I note the engines of our plane have stopped running! The aircraft is under some strange control and is now turning itself. The controls are useless.

1140 Hours- Another radio message received. We begin the landing process now, and in moments the plane shudders slightly, and begins a descent as though caught in some great unseen elevator! The downward motion is negligible, and we touch down with only a slight jolt!

1145 Hours- I am making a hasty last entry in the flight log. Several men are approaching on foot toward our aircraft. They are tall with blond hair. In the distance is a large shimmering city pulsating with rainbow hues of color. I do not know what is going to happen now, but I see no signs of weapons on those approaching. I hear now a voice ordering me by name to open the cargo door. I comply. END LOG
From this point I write all the following events here from memory. It defies the imagination and would seem all but madness if it had not happened.

The radioman and I are taken from the aircraft and we are re ceived in a most cordial manner. We were then boarded on a small platform-like conveyance with no wheels! It moves us toward the glowing city with great swiftness. As we approach, the city seems to be made of a crystal material. Soon we arrive at a large building that is a type I have never seen before. It appears to be right out of the design board of Frank Lloyd Wright, or perhaps more correctly, out of a Buck Rogers setting!! We are given some type of warm beverage which tasted like nothing I have ever savored before. It is delicious. After about ten minutes, two of our wondrous appearing hosts come to our quarters and announce that I am to accompany them. I have no choice but to comply. I leave my radioman behind and we walk a short dis tance and enter into what seems to be an elevator. We descend downward for some moments, the machine stops, and the door lifts silently upward! We then proceed down a long hallway that is lit by a rose-colored light that seems to be emanating from the very walls themselves! One of the beings motions for us to stop before a great door. Over the door is an inscription that I cannot read. The great door slides noiselessly open and I am beckoned to enter. One of my hosts speaks. 'Have no fear, Admiral, you are to have an audience with the Master...'

I step inside and my eyes adjust to the beautiful coloration that seems to be filling the room completely. Then I begin to see my sur roundings. What greeted my eyes is the most beautiful sight of my entire existence. It is in fact too beautiful and wondrous to describe. It is exquisite and delicate. I do not think there exists a human term that can describe it in any detail with justice! My thoughts are interrupted in a cordial manner by a warm rich voice of melodious quality, 'I bid you welcome to our domain, Admiral.' I see a man with delicate features and with the etching of years upon his face. He is seated at a long table. He motions me to sit down in one of the chairs. After I am seated, he places his fingertips together and smiles. He speaks softly again, and conveys the following.

'We have let you enter here because you are of noble character and well-known on the Surface World, Admiral.' Surface World, I half-gasp under my breath! 'Yes," the Master replies with a smile, 'you are in the domain of the Arianni, the Inner World of the Earth. We shall not long delay your mission, and you will be safely escorted back to the surface and for a distance beyond. But now, Admiral, I shall tell you why you have been summoned here. Our interest rightly begins just after your race exploded the first atomic bombs over Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan. It was at that alarm ing time we sent our flying machines, the "Flugelrads", to your surface world to investigate what your race had done. That is, of course, past history now, my dear Admiral, but I must continue on. You see, we have never interfered before in your race's wars, and barbarity, but now we must, for you have learned to tamper with a certain power that is not for man, namely, that of atomic energy. Our emissaries have already delivered messages to the powers of your world, and yet they do not heed. Now you have been chosen to be witness here that our world does exist. You see, our Culture and Science is many thousands of years beyond your race, Admiral.' I interrupted, 'But what does this have to do with me, Sir?'

The Master's eyes seemed to penetrate deeply into my mind, and after studying me for a few moments he replied, 'Your race has now reached the point of no return, for there are those among you who would destroy your very world rather than relinquish their power as they know it...' I nodded, and the Master continued, 'In 1945 and afterward, we tried to contact your race, but our efforts were met with hostility, our Flugelrads were fired upon. Yes, even pursued with malice and animosity by your fighter planes. So, now, I say to you, my son, there is a great storm gathering in your world, a black fury that will not spend itself for many years. There will be no answer in your arms, there will be no safety in your science. It may rage on until every flower of your culture is trampled, and all human things are leveled in vast chaos. Your recent war was only a prelude of what is yet to come for your race. We here see it more clearly with each hour..do you say I am mistaken?'

'No,' I answer, 'it happened once before, the dark ages came and they lasted for more than five hundred years.'

'Yes, my son,' replied the Master, 'the dark ages that will come now for your race will cover the Earth like a pall, but I believe that some of your race will live through the storm, beyond that, I cannot say. We see at a great distance a new world stirring from the ruins of your race, seeking its lost and legendary treasures, and they will be here, my son, safe in our keeping. When that time arrives, we shall come forward again to help revive your culture and your race. Perhaps, by then, you will have learned the futility of war and its strife...and after that time, certain of your culture and science will be returned for your race to begin anew. You, my son, are to return to the Surface World with this message.....'

With these closing words, our meeting seemed at an end. I stood for a moment as in a dream....but, yet, I knew this was reality, and for some strange reason I bowed slightly, either out of respect or humility, I do not know which.

Suddenly, I was again aware that the two beautiful hosts who had brought me here were again at my side. 'This way, Admiral,' motioned one. I turned once more before leaving and looked back toward the Master. A gentle smile was etched on his delicate and ancient face. 'Farewell, my son,' he spoke, then he gestured with a lovely, slender hand a motion of peace and our meeting was truly ended.

Quickly, we walked back through the great door of the Master's chamber and once again entered into the elevator. The door slid silently downward and we were at once going upward. One of my hosts spoke again, 'We must now make haste, Admiral, as the Master desires to delay you no longer on your scheduled timetable and you must return with his message to your race.'

I said nothing. All of this was almost beyond belief, and once again my thoughts were interrupted as we stopped. I entered the room and was again with my radioman. He had an anxious expres sion on his face. As I approached, I said, 'It is all right, Howie, it is all right.' The two beings motioned us toward the awaiting conveyance, we boarded, and soon arrived back at the aircraft. The engines were idling and we boarded immediately. The whole atmosphere seemed charged now with a certain air of urgency. After the cargo door was closed the aircraft was imme diately lifted by that unseen force until we reached an altitude of 2700 feet. Two of the aircraft were alongside for some dis tance guiding us on our return way. I must state here, the airspeed indicator registered no reading, yet we were moving along at a very rapid rate.

215 Hours- A radio message comes through. 'We are leaving you now, Admiral, your controls are free. Auf Wiedersehen!!!!' We watched for a moment as the flugelrads disappeared into the pale blue sky.

The aircraft suddenly felt as though caught in a sharp downdraft for a moment. We quickly recovered her control. We do not speak for some time, each man has his thoughts....

ENTRY IN FLIGHT LOG CONTINUES:

220 Hours- We are again over vast areas of ice and snow, and approximately 27 minutes from base camp. We radio them, they respond. We report all conditions normal....normal. Base camp expresses relief at our re-established contact.

300 Hours- We land smoothly at base camp. I have a mission.....

END LOG ENTRIES.

March 11, 1947. I have just attended a staff meeting at the Pentagon. I have stated fully my discovery and the message from the Master. All is duly recorded. The President has been ad vised. I am now detained for several hours (six hours, thirty- nine minutes, to be exact.) I am interviewed intently by Top Security Forces and a medical team. It was an ordeal!!!! I am placed under strict control via the national security provisions of this United States of America. I am ORDERED TO REMAIN SILENT IN REGARD TO ALL THAT I HAVE LEARNED, ON THE BEHALF OF HUMANITY1111 Incredible! I am reminded that I am a military man and I must obey orders.

30/12/56: FINAL ENTRY:

These last few years elapsed since 1947 have not been kind...I now make my final entry in this singular diary. In closing, I must state that I have faithfully kept this matter secret as directed all these years. It has been completely against my values of moral right. Now, I seem to sense the long night coming on and this secret will not die with me, but as all truth shall, it will triumph and so it shall.

This can be the only hope for mankind. I have seen the truth and it has quickened my spirit and has set me free! I have done my duty toward the monstrous military industrial complex. Now, the long night begins to approach, but there shall be no end. Just as the long night of the Arctic ends, the brilliant sunshine of Truth shall come again....and those who are of darkness shall fall in it's Light..FOR I HAVE SEEN THAT LAND BEYOND THE POLE, THAT CENTER OF THE GREAT UNKNOWN.

Admiral Richard E. Byrd
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24 December 1956
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interesting story. Is this from some kind of fiction novel?
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Hollow your head. You watch too many fantasy movie. Need go learn std5 science then you will know the layers of the earth.
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The way you should put it. As hollow as your head. Is your head 100% pure skull? If you are the only person born without knowledge you would say "YES".
Until you split your head open, and found a small brain in it. You go study your standard 5 science class, cause thats your range of science.


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where is the hole with sun light shining out of it in the south pole?

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again my question why is the opening dark when there is a freaking sun inside the earth

and this is not a theory, it is a really easy to proof hypotesis, why dont the people supporting this claim go to north or south pole and decent the opening, there will be solid proof.

also the question about the mass of the earth, how come the crust be so heavy? since the center is hallow, all the mass of the earth is on the crust, which would mean it need to be much denser than rock.
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The inner sun said not to be bright but TWILIGHT as the sun is cover in smoke. Read "Olaf Jensen" book "The smokey God".

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Gravity
The best scientific argument against that of a hollow Earth or any hollow planet is gravity. Massive objects tend to clump together gravitationally, creating non-hollow spherical objects we call stars and planets. The solid sphere is the best way in which to minimize the gravitational potential energy of a physical object; having hollowness is unfavorable in the energetic sense. In addition, ordinary matter is not strong enough to support a hollow shape of planetary size against the force of gravity; a planet-sized hollow shell with the known, observed thickness of the Earth's crust, would not be able to achieve hydrostatic equilibrium with its own mass and would collapse.

Someone on the inside of a hollow Earth would not experience a significant outward pull and could not easily stand on the inner surface; rather, the theory of gravity implies that a person on the inside would be nearly weightless. This was first shown by Newton, whose shell theorem mathematically predicts a gravitational force (from the shell) of zero everywhere inside a spherically symmetric hollow shell of matter, regardless of the shell's thickness. A tiny gravitational force would arise from the fact that the Earth does not have a perfectly symmetrical spherical shape, as well as forces from other bodies such as the Moon. The centrifugal force from the Earth's rotation would pull a person (on the inner surface) outwards if the person was traveling at the same velocity as the Earth's interior and was in contact with the ground on the interior, but even the maximum centrifugal force at the equator is only 1/300 of ordinary Earth gravity.

The mass of the planet also indicates that the hollow Earth hypothesis is unfeasible. Should the Earth be largely hollow, its mass would be much lower and thus its gravity on the outer surface would be much lower than it is.

Seismic information
Although not visually observable, the core of the Earth is observable via vibrations (primarily from earthquakes) passing from one side of the planet to the other. Using this method, geologists have been able to postulate the structure of mantle, outer core, and inner core known today. A hollow earth would behave entirely differently in terms of seismic observations.

Visual evidence
The deepest hole drilled to date is the SG-3 borehole which is 12.3 km (7.6 miles) deep, part of the Soviet Kola Superdeep Borehole project; thus, visual knowledge of the Earth's structure extends that far.

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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 14 2010, 10:39 AM)
The inner sun said not to be bright but TWILIGHT as the sun is cover in smoke. Read "Olaf Jensen" book "The smokey God".

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Gravity
The best scientific argument against that of a hollow Earth or any hollow planet is gravity. Massive objects tend to clump together gravitationally, creating non-hollow spherical objects we call stars and planets. The solid sphere is the best way in which to minimize the gravitational potential energy of a physical object; having hollowness is unfavorable in the energetic sense. In addition, ordinary matter is not strong enough to support a hollow shape of planetary size against the force of gravity; a planet-sized hollow shell with the known, observed thickness of the Earth's crust, would not be able to achieve hydrostatic equilibrium with its own mass and would collapse.

Someone on the inside of a hollow Earth would not experience a significant outward pull and could not easily stand on the inner surface; rather, the theory of gravity implies that a person on the inside would be nearly weightless. This was first shown by Newton, whose shell theorem mathematically predicts a gravitational force (from the shell) of zero everywhere inside a spherically symmetric hollow shell of matter, regardless of the shell's thickness. A tiny gravitational force would arise from the fact that the Earth does not have a perfectly symmetrical spherical shape, as well as forces from other bodies such as the Moon. The centrifugal force from the Earth's rotation would pull a person (on the inner surface) outwards if the person was traveling at the same velocity as the Earth's interior and was in contact with the ground on the interior, but even the maximum centrifugal force at the equator is only 1/300 of ordinary Earth gravity.

The mass of the planet also indicates that the hollow Earth hypothesis is unfeasible. Should the Earth be largely hollow, its mass would be much lower and thus its gravity on the outer surface would be much lower than it is.

Seismic information
Although not visually observable, the core of the Earth is observable via vibrations (primarily from earthquakes) passing from one side of the planet to the other. Using this method, geologists have been able to postulate the structure of mantle, outer core, and inner core known today. A hollow earth would behave entirely differently in terms of seismic observations.

Visual evidence
The deepest hole drilled to date is the SG-3 borehole which is 12.3 km (7.6 miles) deep, part of the Soviet Kola Superdeep Borehole project; thus, visual knowledge of the Earth's structure extends that far.

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I said on the top post " how much evidence can we debunk it or made plausible." I will debunk vs proof. Too see how much it would weight on the scale of plausible to myth.

Lets take a look at ancient times. There is a stone on egypt with a picture of "flying vehicle" to help them build the piramid of giza.

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clearly theres nothing to discuss. Its some fantasy someone came up wif and nothing to proove even give a little insight to it.
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clearly theres nothing to discuss. Its some fantasy someone came up wif and nothing to proove even give a little insight to it.
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You said or belived the earth is solid. If there is nothing to discuss than thats your understanding in science. Earth is solid, with a core, mantel and crust. Nothing more. You can happliy see other theads than this useless, fantasy, ridiculous, fake, imagination of a topic. What you believed in, no one can change that but yourself.



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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 14 2010, 11:12 AM)
I said on the top post " how much evidence can we debunk it or made plausible." I will debunk vs proof. Too see how much it would weight on the scale of plausible to myth.

Lets take a look at ancient times. There is a stone on egypt with a picture of "flying vehicle" to help them build the piramid of giza.
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wow, i though we are on the subject on hollow earth, so fast now change to UFO?
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Other information:

Among the purported entrances to Agartha (Hollow Earth City) are:


Cueva de los Tayos (Cave of the oil birds), Ecuador
Gobi Desert , Mongolia.
Great Pyramid of Giza
Iguazu Falls , Argentina and Brazil
Mammoth Cave , Kentucky, USA
Manaus , Brazil
Mato Grosso , Brazil
Mount Epomeo , Italy
Mount Shasta , California (the Agharthean city of Telos)
North Pole
Rama , near Jaipur, India
South Pole
The Well of Sheshna in Benares, India (the Agharthean city of Patala)

Theory
An early source for the belief in underground civilizations is The Smoky God (1908) by Willis George Emerson (1856 - 1918), which claims to be the biography of a Norwegian sailor named Olaf Jansen. The book explains how Jansen's sloop sailed through an entrance to the Earth's interior at the North Pole. For two years he lived with the inhabitants of an underground network of colonies who, Emerson writes, were a full 12 feet tall and whose world was lit by a "smoky" central sun. Their capital city was said to be the original Garden of Eden. While Emerson does not use the name Agartha, later works such as Agartha - Secrets of the Subterranean Cities have identified the civilization Jansen encountered with Agartha, and its citizens as Agarthan.

According to Secrets, Shamballa the Lesser, one of the colonies, was also the seat of government for the network. While Shamballa the Lesser is an inner continent, its satellite colonies are smaller enclosed ecosystems located just beneath the Earth's crust or discreetly within mountains. Cataclysms and wars taking place on the surface drove these people underground. These were said to include a lengthy Atlantean-Lemurian war and the use of thermonuclear weaponry that eventually sank and destroyed these two highly advanced civilizations. The Sahara, Gobi, the Australian Outback and the deserts of the southwestern U.S. are said to be but a few examples of the devastation that resulted. The sub-cities were created as refuges for the people and as safe havens for sacred records, teachings and technologies that were cherished by these ancient cultures.

It is believed that the great kingdom of Lemuria which was located in the Gobi desert in Mongolia was destroyed by Atlantis in a great war that led to a cataclysmic destruction of Atlantis and Mu. Mu was a great city on the surface of what is now the Gobi desert. It had 2 satellite cities by the name of Agartha Alpha and Beta that survived the destruction.

The inhabitants of Agartha are said to have scientific knowledge and expertise far beyond that of the people who live on the surface of the planet, lost technology from the days of Atlantis.

The descendants of ancient Lemuria now live in peace in subterranean caverns. The leaders of these states (variously called Ascended Masters, Guardians of the Tradition, Psychoteleios or "the perfected ones", the the Shining Ones, the Ancients, the Watchers, the Immortals, the Monitors, the Hidden Directorate, the Children of Seth, etc.) all follow what is known as the Ancient Path and do not interfere in the lives of humans that live above the surface. Nor is there any interaction between them.

There are no entrances to Agartha Alpha and Beta from any other part of the planet. The only entrances are in the Gobi desert itself and are secured by illusory technology that is beyond the comprehension of modern science.

The Tibetans refer to the cities of Agartha as Shambala and have believed for centuries in their existence as reservoirs of ancient knowledge and advanced technology.


Tibet
In Tibet, there is a major mystical shrine also called 'Patala,' which is said by the people there to sit atop an ancient cavern and tunnel system, which reaches throughout the Asian continent and possibly beyond. The Nagas also have an affinity with water, and the entrances to their underground palaces are often said to be hidden at the bottom of wells, deep lakes and rivers."


Inhabitants
The Old Ones - In an article entitled "The Hollow Earth: Myth or Reality" for Atlantis Rising, Brad Steiger writes of the legends of "the Old Ones," an ancient race that populated the surface world millions of years ago and then moved underground. "The Old Ones, an immensely intelligent and scientifically advanced race," Steiger writes, "have chosen to structure their own environment under the surface of the planet and manufacture all their necessities."

"The Old Ones are hominid, extremely long-lived, and pre-date Homo sapiens by more than a million years. The Old Ones generally remain aloof from the surface peoples, but from time to time, they have been known to offer constructive criticism; and it has been said, they often kidnap human children to tutor and rear as their own."


Buddhist Theory
It is believed to be a race of supermen and superwomen who occasionally come to the surface to oversee the development of the human race. It is also believed that this subterranean world has millions of inhabitants and many cities, its capital being Shambala.

Ancient philosophy states that Agartha was first colonized thousands of years ago when a holy man lead a tribe to the underground. The people have scientific knowledge and expertice far beyond that of the people who live on the surface of the planet.


Hindu
The Ramayana one of the most famous texts of India, tells the story of the great avatar, Rama. It describes Rama as "an emissary from Agartha" who arrived on a Vimana.



In India there is an ancient belief, still held by some, in a subterranean race of serpent people who dwell in the cities Patala and Bhogavati. According to the legend, they wage war on the kingdom of Agharta. "The Nagas," according to "The Deep Dwellers," "are described as a very advanced race or species, with a highly-developed technology. They also harbor a disdain for human beings, whom they are said to abduct, torture, interbreed with and even to eat."

The Entrances. While the entrance to Bhogavati is somewhere in the Himalayas, believers assert that Patala can be entered through the Well of Sheshna in Benares, India. Says William Michael Mott in "The Deep Dwellers": "According to herpetologist and author Sherman A. Minton, as stated in his book Venomous Reptiles, this entrance is very real, with forty steps which descend into a circular depression, to terminate at a closed stone door which is covered in bas-relief cobras.

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You said or belived the earth is solid. If there is nothing to discuss than thats your understanding in science. Earth is solid, with a core, mantel and crust. Nothing more. You can happliy see other theads than this useless, fantasy, ridiculous, fake, imagination of a topic. What you believed in, no one can change that but yourself.
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Im interested in your topic but there's not even a little sign that makes people think about it if its true. Its all theory with fantasy stories added in. Thats why i check in once a while to see if there's any litle evidence provided to make me look deeper into it and spark my curiosity
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"And the earth used to be flat. Then, a solid ball, like a magma ball in space with a solid crust. When in fact it is a sphere which rings like a bell for weeks and months when struck by meteorites and earthquakes ... speaking of which ... time to end this introduction." - Anoyanamus Geologist
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what does the The Naica Mine of Chihuahua have to do with hollow earth? dont you need to show the picture inside the the earth with the inner sun?
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what does the The Naica Mine of Chihuahua have to do with hollow earth? dont you need to show the picture inside the the earth with the inner sun?
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1. Nice to see, but mostly we never imagine there is such place at first.
2. It proves that our earth have a very very wide and deep hole which some are unexplore.
3. Ill pick a cave picture just to see how deep and far the caves go, but hey !! we have here in Malaysia.. The Great Sarawak Mulu Caves, still there are unexplore area left.

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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 14 2010, 02:09 PM)
1. Nice to see, but mostly we never imagine there is such place at first.
2. It proves that our earth have a very very wide and deep hole which some are unexplore.
3. Ill pick a cave picture just to see how deep and far the caves go, but hey !! we have here in Malaysia.. The Great Sarawak Mulu Caves, still there are unexplore area left.

Picture of inner sun..

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what does cave have to do with hallow earth, you are saying there is a massive hole in the center of the earth, all the cave in the world are nothing compare with a hole that big.

how does someone came up with this hollow earth model, how does gravity work in the crust? how does some one know there is a star in the the center, where does the valcano magma come? the inner sun must be the smaller star ever found, even white dwarf are on average the size of the earth, and how does you account for the missing mass and the effect on gravity?
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NASA has discovered strange noctilucent clouds are appearing every summer over the pole down to about latitude 50 degrees. These clouds consist of tiny ice crystals 40 to 100 nanometers wide that reflect blue wave lengths of sunlight and float at the very edge of space 50 miles up. The hole you are seeing in the imagery is not the polar opening. It is a hole in the satellite imagery caused because polar orbiting satellites do not pass directly over the pole because the polar opening is located so close to the pole that if they passed over the polar opening, they would lose gravity holding them in orbit. Most likely the noctilucent clouds originate from the warm moist air coming up out of the polar opening and are pushed to the edge of space where the moisture particles freeze -- by the out flowing of air from Inner Earth. Every spring the out flow of air from the polar openings pushes the ozone layer apart at the poles also and increases the size of the atmosphere. The increase in the height of atmosphere above the Antarctic in the Antarctic spring is what Jan Lamprecht theorized in his book, Hollow Planets, caused the Skylab satellite to burn up in the atmosphere. The outflow of warm air from the earth's interior at the poles are also what causes the mirages of land seen in the arctic. The warm air rises up above the ice creating a layer of warm air that reflects the land beneath. Observers around the Arctic have sighted mirages of land all in the same direction indicating that the polar opening is located at 87.7 N 142.2 E. What they are seeing is a doubly inverted mirage of land at the inner continent located about halfway through the polar opening.

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Interesting. Could it be that the gravity is what's holding the earth that me stand now float above the hollow earth? Then if predicted as 2012, the magentic shift changes will it distrupt the gravity and the earth we are on now crumbles in to the other earth?
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NASA has discovered strange noctilucent clouds are appearing every summer over the pole down to about latitude 50 degrees.  These clouds consist of tiny ice crystals 40 to 100 nanometers wide that reflect blue wave lengths of sunlight and float at the very edge of space 50 miles up. The hole you are seeing in the imagery is not the polar opening.  It is a hole in the satellite imagery caused because polar orbiting satellites do not pass directly over the pole because the polar opening is located so close to the pole that if they passed over the polar opening, they would lose gravity holding them in orbit.  Most likely the noctilucent clouds originate from the warm moist air coming up out of the polar opening and are pushed to the edge of space where the moisture particles freeze -- by the out flowing of air from Inner Earth.  Every spring the out flow of air from the polar openings pushes the ozone layer apart at the poles also and increases the size of the atmosphere.  The increase in the height of atmosphere above the Antarctic in the Antarctic spring is what Jan Lamprecht theorized in his book, Hollow Planets, caused the Skylab satellite to burn up in the atmosphere.  The outflow of warm air from the earth's interior at the poles are also what causes the mirages of land seen in the arctic.  The warm air rises up above the ice creating a layer of warm air that reflects the land beneath.  Observers around the Arctic have sighted mirages of land all in the same direction indicating that the polar opening is located at 87.7 N 142.2 E.  What they are seeing is a doubly inverted mirage of land at the inner continent located about halfway through the polar opening.

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the scientist that write the paper Duane Griffin do it to use hollow earth as an example of crackpot theory to teach the scientific method and history.

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This is an oddball back-burner project that I haven't been able to resist. It's been highlighted in David Standish's (2006) book Hollow Earth: The Long and Curious History of Imagining Strange Lands, Fantastical Creatures, Advanced Civilizations, and Marvelous Machines Below the Earth's Surface (Cambridge, MA: Da Capo Press), and "What Curiosity..." has been translated into Portuguese and published online here (among some very good company, I have to say).

The idea that Earth is hollow has a surprising long and not entirely loopy pedigree. Edmund Halley's hollow Earth was the first hypothesis deduced from Newton's Principia, and John Cleves Symmes's theory (far less reasonable than Halley's) was instrumental in the development of 19th century American science and exploration. The web has given it new life and wings. It's a useful teaching case for several reasons. First, it's weird enough to grab students' attention. Second, tracing the history of the idea provides opportunities to trace the history of science more generally, explain inductive and deductive reasoning, talk about critical thinking and the role of skepticism in science, and a host of other "meta-" things. And third, explaining how we know Earth isn't hollow covers a lot of basic geophysics, geology, and geography. There are fascinating parallels in the strategies hollow-Earthers use to bolster their conceptions and those used by creationists and global warming skeptics, but hollow Earth theory avoids the political overtones, undertones, and general messiness involved with those topics and thus provides a neutral venue for students to build an understanding of how science works and doesn't work.


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I am doubtful of the admiral story. It does not go in hand with the subterran dwellers being driven there by another race. If they were driven there then this entry/exit should be easily located. It would not be like the admiral described.
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I am doubtful of the admiral story. It does not go in hand with the subterran dwellers being driven there by another race. If they were driven there then this entry/exit should be easily located. It would not be like the admiral described.
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yes it sounds like a story from a fantasy book. But if give the idea proposer the benefit of doubt maybe the idea sounds cool. COuld be our hope for 2012
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what does cave have to do with hallow earth,  you are saying there is a massive hole in the center of the earth, all the cave in the world are nothing compare with a hole that big.

how does someone came up with this hollow earth model, how does gravity work in the crust? how does some one know there is a star in the the center, where does the valcano magma come?  the inner sun must be the smaller star ever found, even white dwarf are on average the size of the earth, and how does you account for the missing mass and the effect on gravity?
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NEWTONIAN GRAVITY REVISITED

“Newton’s Law of Gravity of one of the most useful mathematical formulae ever devised. This little formula has made space travel and the exploration of the Solar System possible. It made satellites possible.... Scientists use this little formula to gain an understanding of galaxies far away, and indeed the behavior of the universe as a whole. It is now more than 300 years since Newton devised this little formula and we still do now know what causes gravity.”

With this introduction the author then goes into a long, detailed, technical discussion of gravity. He contrasts the theories of “attraction” and “pressure”.



Euler and other scientists believed that the universe was filled with low density material called “ether” (among other things) which exert pressure on bodies of higher density, and that the attraction observed between these bodies could be caused by shielding of this pressure in the space between the bodies. Many inconsistencies with the accepted Newtonian laws are noted.

The mass of the Earth was determined by experiments by Cavendish which have been verified by others. Based on this and assuming that the Earth is a solid sphere, many scientists argue that other planets must be solid also. Dr. Tom Van Flandern, a contemporary scientist who believes in the “pressure” theory exposes contradictions between two dearly-held theories in science. Newtonian Gravity – and indeed any gravity seems to defy Einstein’s Theory of Relativity. Newtonian gravity is accurately measured and proven with the bounds of the solar system. However, Newtonian gravity remains untested in other areas. All we have is a formula. This formula has been used to determine the mass of the Earth. This is based on the concept that for each mass of M inside the Earth, it exerts and attractive force of F. We do not know the valid range for Newtonian gravity.



Inside Newton’s formula is G. G is the “universal gravitational constant”. It is assumed – and assumed is the correct word here – that each mass of M exerts the same force of F regardless of where in the universe it may be placed. It is also assumed that each mass of M exerts the same force F whether it lies on the surface of the Earth or whether it be deep inside the Earth. When using the Cavendish balance to determine the mass of the Earth, it is assumed that each particle exerts a fixed force upon all others. But if Van Flandern’s ideas turn out to be right, then particles near the surface of a planet might exert a force greater than those deep down. The key to all of our gravity is the mass of the Earth. If the mass of the Earth is wrong, then so are our estimates for those of other bodies. If the mass of the Earth has been overstated, then it follows that the masses of all other bodies in the solar system have also been overstated. If the Earth is hollow, then so too is every other planet in the solar system.

Other anomalies are discussed such as,

strange gravity noted by pendulum experiments during solar eclipses

Saturn’s gravity-defying rings, gravity-defying galaxies

“inverse square break downs”

There are four basic forces which are believed to represent all physical interaction in nature. They are:

1. Electromagnetism

2. The Weak force of Particle Physics

3. The Strong force of Particle Physics

4. Gravity

A. H. Cook from the Cavendish Laboratory in England admits that gravitational experiments, even in laboratories, are fraught with danger:

“Experiments on gravitation do indeed present the experimenter with a considerable challenge. First, the forces are very small: The gravitational force between two protons is 10 to the negative 40th power of the electrical force, hence in many laboratory systems the forces are not very large compared with fundamental quantum fluctuations and mechanical disturbances... The forces of gravitation are very small... When the difficulties of determining the mass of a body weighing more than a few kilograms, and the position of its centre of mass, are considered, they effectively limit experimental studies to masses of a few kilograms and distances of about 0.5 m."

How can we be sure that the Earth really has the mass accorded it by Newtonian gravity? Is an experiment, using two lead balls really representative of the entire Earth? How can we be sure that gravity behaves 1,000 miles down in the Earth the same as it does 10 cm down in a lead ball? Scientists are convinced that electric currents flow inside the Earth. These currents almost certainly flow in the same direction. It therefore follows that they will be attractive. Does it not then follow that each mass of M deep inside the Earth might produce a greater force of F than previously considered? If so, then the Earth’s density may be much less than it has been thought of until now. Over and above this theorizing, we still have the excellent mine, borehole, ice-cap and sea bed experiments which definitely show that something is amiss. Regardless of where G was determined, the value of G increased, even at very shallow depths. All this indicates that less mass produced increased attraction. These could be the initial indications that Earth really is hollow.


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SEISMOLOGY AND GEOLOGY


What do we really know about the Earth’s interior? And how trustworthy is our knowledge of it? Many people (mistakenly) think that the lava which pours out of volcanoes comes from a large reservoir of molten material which makes up the greater part of the Earth. Scientists have discovered that lava comes from within the Earth’s crust. The lava comes from approximately 20 miles down. The existence of lava does not affect the passage of earthquake (seismic) waves. This indicates to scientists that the crust is largely solid. So where does the heat come from which melts the rock locally? Scientists have advanced two theories.

Some say that the melting is due to high concentrations of radioactive elements in a particular area. These decaying radioactive elements generate enough heat to melt rock. Much lava is slightly radioactive and that lends support to this theory.

Other geologists have argued that shearing and faulting are adequate heat generating mechanisms.

The evidence supports both theories. Lava cannot possibly be rising from the centre of the Earth as some may be tempted to think. It would cool down and become solid on its long, slow journey upwards. Lava is therefore a surface phenomenon and does not in any way reflect what the Earth is like 50 or 100 or more miles down.

The Earth’s temperature is relatively constant. Where does this heat come from? Most scientists believe it comes from decaying radioactive materials deep inside the Earth. The Earth does not seem to be cooling down any further and this should alert us to the fact that the Earth is simply not a ball of molten material which is slowly cooling down and solidifying – as many people believe.

Since the temperatures seem to rise steadily as one goes deeper and deeper, scientists have extrapolated the temperatures and attempted to estimate the temperature of the Earth hundreds of miles beneath the surface. One has to ask oneself whether this extrapolation of temperatures is really logically justified. The extremely deep mines are still nothing but a pin-prick into the surface of the Earth. The centre of the Earth lies some 3,963 miles away. A mine 6 miles deep really does not represent a valid statistical portion of the Earth. No one has discovered a way of determining the temperature deep down. Our best estimates are that lava comes from 20-30 miles down. But what will temperatures be like 100 or 1000 miles down? It’s all guesswork – most of it derived indirectly from Newtonian gravity.

The only “reliable” method we have of knowing what goes on in the Earth beneath our feet comes from the science of Seismology. However, there are many examples of actual findings being different from what was predicted. The science of seismology contains two very broad assumptions which no one has ever been able to verify:

1. The speed of seismic waves beneath the Earth is ultimately inferred from our understanding of the structure of the Earth based on Newtonian Gravity. We have no way of being certain that these waves really are reaching these depths or traveling at these speeds.

2. We cannot be sure that speed changes are due to the changing constitution of the Earth. Our view of the inner Earth might be very skewed.

Since most of our knowledge of the Earth is obtained from those searching for gold, minerals and oil, one can’t help wondering if this skews our view of what the inner Earth may be like. We only search for these minerals in specific regions and this may be misleading us further. These holes seem to prove that much of the predicted structure changes have never turned out to be real. If we find such errors at depths of just a few kilometers, how much less can we trust our ideas when dealing with rock which is hundreds and perhaps thousands of miles beneath the surface?

The Earth is a flattened sphere. This is due to the rotation of the Earth, and the Earth being somewhat plastic. One would therefore expect the inside of the Earth to be similarly shaped. Yet there is some evidence that the Inner core may be shaped like a rugby ball. Instead of being flattened, it may be pointed at the top and bottom. The claim that the inner core is actually prolate in shape is by no means universally accepted. Even less certain than the claims of a prolate core are those for inner-core heterogeneity and, even more remarkably, hexagonal symmetry. These conflicting results in recent times, and the disputes surrounding them make one wonder just how reliable seismology is at those depths.

Slow Earthquakes
Earthquakes are caused when stresses build up and the rock then gives way catastrophically. And earthquake is an explosive event. It therefore cam as a surprise that there are some earthquakes which have unusually long source duration. The seismologists Professor Thorne Lay and Terry Wallace write:

“the mechanism for the slow rupture process is unknown, but in the extreme it could produce a ‘silent’ earthquake devoid of short-period body and surface waves.”

They go on to mention that G. Beroza and T. Jordan surmise the existence of “slow earthquakes": which are virtually undetectable – and that several of these may be occurring each year. These slow earthquakes suggest to me that the Earth might not be as tightly packed in some areas as we presume. Are there enormous cavities inside the Earth, perhaps caused by erosion and other forces deep, deep down? What would happen if these cavities were to be crushed? Could the forces down there be operating a lot more slowly and weakly? Could horizontal or vertical forces be operating as well? What if “slow” events prevent us from ascertaining the stranger aspects of deep seismology? Even more mysteriously, could “silent” quakes be occurring which our instruments are incapable of measuring? Could events be occurring down there which are not violent enough to be detected and we therefore have an inaccurate impression of what really is happening down there?



Deep Focus Quakes


Among the strongest evidence that the Earth is rigid all the way down to the “outer core” (where a hollow cavity exists?) comes by way of deep-focus earthquakes. Thousands of deep-focus earthquakes, making up to 22% of all earthquakes, have been recorded. Theoretically earthquakes cannot occur below 70 kilometers because the temperatures and pressures there are such that rock will flow rather than break catastrophically. The mechanism for ordinary quakes cannot therefore exist below 70 kilometers because the stresses are always relieved. Scientists hope that a suitable explanation for deep-focus quakes will be found without bending the laws of physics and chemistry, but that might not be possible. Professor Lay et al., writes:

“Deep earthquakes have long posed a problem for seismologists. Laboratory experiments indicate that the pressures at a few hundred kilometers depth should prohibit brittle fracture and frictional sliding processes. Yet earthquakes as large as (magnitude) 8.2 have occurred at 650 km. The deep seismicity has many characteristics that are similar to those of shallow earthquakes. Most important, the deep earthquakes have radiation patterns consistent with double couples, which implies shear faulting.”

(Several other observations which defy accepted scientific theory are given by the author along with attempts to explain them.) The search for deep focus quake mechanisms therefore seems to be far from over. The problem may be more fundamental than scientists have appreciated so far.

Let us now consider deep focus quakes within the Hollow Earth paradigm. The key to understanding it might lie in combining some simple concepts:

(a) A rigid hollow shell

(b) The different behavior of gravity deep beneath the Earth’s surface

© Gravity might be more variable and dynamic than science currently believes (e.g. electric currents might affect it)

If gravity varies inside the Earth, then pressure and temperature would not increase as science expects. It therefore follows that the Earth down there would be cooler and more brittle than theory currently allows for and that shear can indeed occur. It also follows that G will indeed be very different to what is currently expected at various depths. There is no reason why some of the rock might even be in a state of almost weightlessness. Density need not keep on increasing with depth. Nor would there be any reason to expect pressure to close all cavities. At these cooler temperatures we could expect water to flow and to erode deep into the Earth. This water could be one of multiple causes of deep quakes. What about dynamic gravity as a possible source of deep seismicity? What if varying electric currents inside the Earth cause gravity to increase and decrease at various times at various depths? Could this be cause of the random three dimensional distribution of after shocks which has been observed?



Hollow Planet Structure


The solid Earth, conceptually, is made up of three parts. Imagine three spheres, one within each other.

The outer sphere is the Mantle. This region is relatively solid. In it is molten material under great pressure.

Within it lies the Outer Core. The Outer Core is a liquid.

Within the Outer Core lies the Inner Core which is again solid. The Inner Core lies right at the centre of the Earth.

The author presents a technical analysis of seismic waves with several figures illustrating how waves are supposedly reflected within the Earth. He then presents his theory of seismic wave action in a Hollow Earth and says: In doing my own analysis and thinking about Hollow Planets, there was only one Hollow Planet model which could give the same results as the current scientific models. It seemed logical to me that if there was a hollow crust that somewhere in the middle, perhaps more towards the inner side, there would be an area of maximum density. The density of the crust would increase from the outer surface of the Earth to this point of maximum density. From there the density would decrease toward the inner surface of the Earth. This very simple model exhibits all the characteristics which we have learned from a century of global seismology. The P (primary) and S (secondary) waves which emanate from the epicenter of an earthquake descend into the Earth. Those which strike the hollow cavity’s surface will be refracted back to the surface of the Earth exactly in accordance with what we saw in Figure 3.9 (from “Modern Global Seismology”).

But what really interests us is the “shadow zone”.

(In a nutshell, one can characterize the general behavior of seismic waves as follows:

1. At a distance of between 7,000 miles to 10,000 miles from the epicenter of an earthquake, one finds a “shadow zone”. In this shadow zone there are very few P waves.

2. Beyond the 10,000 mile mark, there is a concentration of P waves and virtually no S waves. What S waves there are, are those which are thought to possibly have passed through the core. But this is open to dispute and most scientists think there are no S waves in this region.)

The shadow zone is now easily explained. The shadow zone is caused by the belt of maximum density in the Earth’s crust. Suppose we go down into the Earth at the epicenter. As we go deeper, the density gradually increases. It reaches a maximum at point M1. But from M1 downwards, the density decreases again until we strike the hollow cavity. Thus P waves which penetrate beyond the belt of maximum density will find themselves refracted and bent and bent downwards – so that they then travel and curve along the inside of the Hollow Planet. These waves will continue to travel like this until they again manage to penetrate and escape through the belt of maximum density. The shadow zone is thus caused by the change in density in this M-belt which naturally separates the P waves. It also explains why there are some P waves in the shadow region. All that is happening is that the waves are being bent around the Earth and being refocused on the other side.

It can be seen that the waves which are thought to be penetrating both the Outer and Inner cores may be doing nothing of the kind. These waves would simply be those which are caught by the decreasing density and bent around the hollow cavity. Note that since density decreases with depth beyond point M1, that any refraction which takes place is inwards – hugging the contours of the Inner Earth. The rest of the seismic waves bounce between the Inner and Outer surfaces as they make their progress around the Earth.

Once one is freed from Newtonian gravity, and one merely studies the seismic waves alone – not sure what path they are taking – the study of the Inner Earth becomes extremely complex and filled with all manner of unknowns. Have scientists already discovered the hollow cavity inside the Earth – in the form of the Outer liquid core? I think so. The fact that S waves don’t pass through it, and that the P wave speeds are abnormally slow makes me think that this “liquid” core is really the cavity which scientists deny the existence of . After going through this exercise I find myself wondering even more if perhaps seismologists are studying a Hollow Planet without ever having realized it was so. What do you think?


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QUOTE(fifi85 @ Sep 14 2010, 03:32 PM)
yes it sounds like a story from a fantasy book. But if give the idea proposer the benefit of doubt maybe the idea sounds cool. COuld be our hope for 2012
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Sound like a fantasy.. Yes i agreed BUT if you read your friends BLOGS in the internet. It sound like a story also, how you present it make it sound like a story. Agree?


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where is the hole with sun light shining out of it in the south pole?

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South pole? You read that they mention the hole at the south is cover by ice and opened at certian times. Wheres the north pole?


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THE INNER SUN

As I set out to test these old Hollow Earth theories, I wondered how one would know if there was a Sun inside the Earth. So I did a bit of reading and thinking about geophysics. Various facts led me to entertain thoughts of a nuclear fission Sun. My train of thought was originally triggered when I discovered that a few high level nuclear explosions could knock out all the electronics across the USA (in a nuclear war scenario, for example).



This is because a nuclear explosion creates a powerful EMP (Electro-Magnetic Pulse) shock wave. It can knock out the sensitive electronics in computers as well as the electrical systems of almost all motor vehicles. It occurred to me that a naturally occurring nuclear reaction inside the Earth might perhaps be responsible for the Earth’s magnetic field. The strange behavior of the magnetic field seemed to confirm that it couldn’t be caused by a sluggish liquid circulating about the outer core.

In the early days of space exploration H. A. Bomke detected magnetohydrodynamic waves (electromagnetic waves) in the Earth’s outer atmosphere which were generated by high-altitude nuclear explosions. Masahisa Sugiura discovered similar waves which were generated by natural causes in the outer atmosphere of the Earth and transmitted along the lines of magnetic force to the Earth in the northern and southern auroral zones. There are also electric (telluric) currents which flow in the surface layer of the Earth’s crust. The ground is electrically conducting and its resistivity varies markedly with depth. It has been found that these currents come from the polar regions. These currents change in sympathy with magnetic disturbances and auroras.

The next realization was that matter arranged itself according to density when the Earth formed – that’s what scientists expect to happen. Denser matter at the centre of the Earth and less dense material as one moves further away from the centre and so on up through the atmosphere until one reached the edge of space. Why shouldn’t heavy metals, such as uranium for example, exist in the Earth’s core? Scientists say that uranium is a trace metal which does not occur naturally. They do not expect it to reside inside the Earth. It also decays. Let us assume that a solid Earth formed originally – that it was compact and tightly packed in the same way that scientists these days expect it to be.



No one knows what happens to matter under those conditions. I have wondered, in my own simplistic way, whether some sort of natural enriching process is kicked off automatically when matter is that tightly packed. There might be natural processes which kick in under such conditions, processes which we don’t know about yet. And we also must not forget the possibility of cold fusion either. A small amount of uranium or plutonium would be enough to start a nuclear reaction. One by one these simple facts and possibilities made me think that a naturally occurring nuclear reaction inside the Earth might be a workable proposition.

Scientists have long realized that the lava which pours from volcanoes is naturally radioactive. This is how scientists are able to date rocks – because the lava from which these rocks form is slightly radioactive. Decayed uranium turns into radium. Scientists thus theorize that radium is probably to blame. The evidence suggests that lava forms no more than 20 miles beneath the Earth’s surface due to the accumulated heat from decaying radium and uranium. There are lots of volcanically active areas on the Earth. It seems as if there is quite a lot of radium in the Earth’s crust.



The crust is of course only a small part of the Earth. Remember that this is far away from the centre of the Earth. If there is still some radium left here near the surface after some 4 billion years of Earth history, then surely, deep down in the Earth there was much much more when the Earth originally formed? Remember too, our volcanoes are probably driven by what is left after billions of years of radioactive decay. So how much do you suppose there was to begin with?

Uranium has a half-life of 710 million years under current conditions. That means that 710 million years ago there was twice as much uranium in the Earth’s crust as there is now. It seems to me that there must have been enough uranium around originally to kick off at least one natural nuclear reaction inside the Earth.



The Earth’s Heat


Richard Milton writes:

“Although it was once believed that the Earth was cooling as its molten interior lost hear, it is now known that the Earth’s overall temperature is roughly constant, since heat loss from the surface is balanced by heat generated with the crust by radioactive decay.”

But is the Earth’s temperature constant only because of the decay of radioactive materials or does the Inner Sun help in other ways to keep the climate warm?



Natural Fission Reactors


The main evidence for the past presence of natural fission reactors comes in the form of uranium ores that are depleted in uranium-235. The main site lies at Oklo in Gabon. In June 1972 a team was working under the direction of Dr. H. V. Bouzigues at the CEA service laboratory in France. They noticed an anomaly in the abundance of the uranium-235 isotope. Some time later, much larger depletions of this isotope were discovered in uranium samples from this source. They traced this back to the Oklo deposit. This was the first positive proof of the hypothesis that a natural chain reaction was responsible for the depletion. A report in “Nature” about an international symposium held in Gabon in 1975 states:

“It was pointed out that at the time of the reaction the natural abundance of the relatively fast-decaying uranium-235 isotope was more than 3%. This natural ‘enrichment’, helped by the moderation of the fission neutrons by the water content of the soil which enhanced their fission efficiency, and possibly by the relative absence of neutron-absorbing elements in the surroundings, allowed a nuclear chain reaction to develop…”

To summarize, our interest lies in the feasibility of there being natural nuclear reactors – even here on the surface of the Earth. Add to this the possibility of there having existed far more uranium-235 concentrations in the past. All of this taken together should clearly indicate that the idea of the Earth (and other planets) having been hollowed out by enormous nuclear reactions might not be that far fetched. Even such a small site as Oklo is estimated to have sustained a nuclear reaction which lasted anything 500,000 years to several million years.



The loss of 5 tons of uranium-235 attests to the power of this reaction. What puzzled the scientists was how low grade uranium ore naturally enriched and started a fission process? Yet the evidence shows that it did indeed happen – right here on the surface. That this little nuclear reaction could produce temperatures of 400 degrees C. and run for several million years would seem to support the idea of a natural nuclear process occurring in nature right here on or in the Earth.



Inner Sun: Cold Fusion?


The subject of cold fusion doesn’t seem to enjoy much credibility in the USA. Some scientists regard cold fusion as a pseudo-science. Yet many countries in the world are pouring enormous sums of money into hard scientific research on the matter. Some scientists have already discussed the possibility of cold fusion occurring inside the Earth. P. Palmer, a geophysicist has already suggested this. Helium-3 emanating from inside the Earth has been regarded by some as an indication that cold fusion might be taking place deep down inside the Earth.



Inner Earth Nuclear Processes


When physicists installed nuclear particle detectors deep in a mine in the Kolar Gold Fields in India, they hoped to measure particle created by highly penetrating neutrinos arriving from the cosmos. They found instead immense showers of nuclear particles coming, not from above as expected, but from the sides and even below! These huge showers of 1,000 or more different particles are called ‘anomalous cascades’. Neutrinos are the only known particles capable of penetrating the entire Earth to create the upwardly directed showers, but ordinary neutrinos do not seem to have enough energy to give birth to the anomalous cascades. The Sun creates neutrinos.



But most neutrinos are not expected to have enough energy to move through a solid Earth. Yet here were neutrinos passing through the Earth from all sides – and even from below. These scientists found these anomalous cascades to be too energetic to be caused by normal neutrinos. This raises two possibilities about the structure of the Earth:

1) What if the Earth’s crust is thinner than scientists expect with their current solid Earth models? If the Earth is hollow, then neutrinos would be able to penetrate the Earth more easily and therefore produce the results which the scientists found.

2) Could the Inner Sun also be a producer of some of the neutrinos which are rising from the core of the Earth.

Since those experiments scientists have made plans to build ‘telescopes’ which are pointed downwards and which detect these particles coming from below. Many European nations as well as the USA have been building such ‘telescopes’ which are located in the Mediterranean. The largest however will be located deep in the ice of the Antarctic continent. These neutrinos point to some kind of radioactive/nuclear process going on inside the Earth. Could it be an Inner Sun?



When The Inner Sun Shines


Sometimes the Earth crosses directly between the Moon and the Sun. At such times the Earth cuts off the light going to the Moon. The Earth’s atmosphere however refracts the Sun’s light thereby ensuring that the Moon rarely disappears from view. If the Earth did not have an atmosphere, then the Moon would disappear completely. At the time of these eclipses the Earth’s night side is in full view, and apart from the light streaming around the edges of the Earth, there is no other light shining on the Moon. It is at this point that a mystery surfaces.



Astronomers have noted that these eclipses of the Moon are variable in brightness. Sometimes they are dark. At other times they are extremely bright. If the Earth’s atmosphere is dust laden, then the eclipses of the Moon are very dark – sometimes the Moon disappears totally. But then there are times when the Moon is exceedingly bright. Far too bright. Can the aurora (which can only produce a shadow on the Earth under exceptional conditions) really light up an object the size of the Moon 238,000 miles away? Or are there times when light from inside the Earth is refracted and bent through the cold polar air so that direct inner sunlight can fall on the surface of the Moon?

The condensed testimony of several European observers for an event on 19th March, 1848:

“I wish to call your attention to the fact, which I have clearly ascertained, that during the whole of the late lunar eclipse of March 19, the shaded surface presented a luminosity quite unusual, probably about three times the intensity of the mean illumination of an eclipsed lunar disc. The light was of a deep-red color. During the totality of the eclipse the light and dark places on the face of the Moon could be almost as well made out as in an ordinary dull moonlight night; and the deep-red color, where the sky was clearest, was very remarkable from the contrasted whiteness of the stars. The Consul at Ghent, who did not know that there was an eclipse, wrote to me for an explanation of the deep red color of the Moon at 9 o’clock.”

An observation from Ireland notes that before the eclipse ended, the light had stopped lighting up the Moon. It is as if we have a ‘search-light’ effect. Could it be that refracted light from the Inner Sun lit up the Moon for a short while and then left the Moon in total darkness again? Sunsets are red. This is because the red light can travel longer distances through the atmosphere whereas other wavelengths of light cannot. The deep red color in the above observations is therefore of extreme interest. It implies that the light traveled a great distance through the atmosphere before falling on the Moon. Could this light have traveled all the way out of the Inner Earth to be refracted and to then fall upon the Moon?

There is a mysterious brightening of the Jovian moon Io sometimes when Io has been behind Jupiter – in its shadow. Scientists have picked up that Io is sometimes anomalously bright when it comes out from behind Jupiter. Scientists have never thought of correlating this with a time when Io is above the Great Red Spot! I have wondered if some anomalous radiation from the Great Red Spot is the cause of the mysterious brightening of Io? The Earth’s Moon is therefore not the only object in the solar system which undergoes such an effect. Io is the closes of the Galilean moons to Jupiter. On Saturn a bright spot appears on the ring systems. This extremely bright spot is the cause of many a Saturnian mystery. These three different phenomena may all have a very similar origin – in that light emanates from inside planets.



Direct Light on the Moon?


Could an Inner Sun really shine direct light on to the Moon? One wouldn’t expect that to be the case. However, there are many factors involved in this, and it’s quite a complex issue. The following ingredients affect this issue:

1) The Moon’s orbit takes it approximately 27 degrees north and south of the equator

2) The Earth is inclined by 23.5 degrees

3) The width of a possible polar entrance

4) The position of the Inner Sun inside the Earth at the time. Perhaps an Inner Sun wobbles around inside the Earth?

5) The temperature of the atmosphere inside the Earth

6) The refractivity of the Earth’s atmosphere in the Arctic. The most favorable conditions will therefore be when the Moon is 27 degrees north of the equator during the northern winter (when the Arctic is inclined towards the Full Moon)

Light could never fall directly on the Moon’s surface if it originates from inside the Earth, traveling out via the polar regions. The main factor which might make this possible is the refractivity of the atmosphere in the arctic. Since we do not know the temperature inside the Earth, it is hard to say how the light would behave. But assuming it to be warmer than the polar regions, perhaps light could be refracted enough to fall on the Moon. Since the light from inside the Earth would be traveling a considerable distance through the inner atmosphere and then into the outer atmosphere, it is possible that considerable bending of light might just take place.



I would suspect that if such an event would take place, it would probably be extremely rare. I have only found one possible example of this occurring. I feel it is important to mention the vague possibility that light from the Inner Sun might light up the Moon either at Full Moon or at New Moon – for the simple reason that perhaps someone might one day be in a position to study these possibilities. I have found one fascinating eclipse which might satisfy the criteria I have mentioned above.

Captain G. Brown was in charge of the S.S. Pacific Importer which was sailing from Cristobal to London. The following report was made by Mr. T. M. Sims, 3rd Officer, on during the night of 29-30 January 1953:

“2305 to 0140 G.M.T. The commencement of the eclipse was not observed owing to almost stationary Cu(mulus) covering the Moon. During totality a small white patch of light of low brilliancy moved round the North Pole of the Moon until that phase came to an end at 0030. From that time the white patch increased in area until the end of the eclipse at 0140. During the total phase the face of the Moon appeared to be colored in bands of blue, green, yellow and orange as in the sketch, and stars were visible with the unaided eye within 2 or 3 degrees of the Moon.”

What is particularly interesting about this account is that the light which is shining on the Moon appears to be refracted and split into the different components of white light. Furthermore, the light around the Moon’s North Pole seems to be direct light. This event, seen by observers on 6 different ships, suggests that a cone of pure white light was shining somewhere north of the Moon’s North Pole. Some of this light just barely managed to fall upon the Moon’s North Pole. The remaining colors falling on the rest of the Moon suggest that this highly refracted light.



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THE AURORA



In the polar regions explorers, scientists and the inhabitants are often treated to phenomenal displays of light darting across the sky. This is the Aurora Borealis. The aurora is one of natures most beautiful and mysterious phenomena. Most people have been taught at school that the aurora is the result of charged particles expelled from the Sun. These particles, racing through space strike the Earth in the polar regions.



Most of these particles are expelled by solar flares and various storms on the surface of the Sun. These charged particles,



The photograph above shows that the light of the aurora forms an oval shape high above and surrounding Earth's magnetic poles.

upon striking the Earth’s atmosphere cause the aurora. Some people are aware that the Earth’s aurora, and that of other planets (like Jupiter for example) appears as a ring-like structure when photographed from space.


The aurora used to mystify the early polar explorers. Sir Edmund Halley was the first to speculate that it might be caused by ‘luminous material’ escaping form his Hollow Earth. This was seized upon by Hollow Earthers ever since and has become an integral part of the idea. Marshall Gardner tried to demonstrate that the aurora was caused by rays of light shining out of the Hollow Earth.



He thought the aurora might be due to rays from a central Sun shining out of the Earth. However, we now know so much more about its exact behavior. Gardner’s idea, as well as Halley’s ideas are definitely invalid. I was nevertheless fascinated by the possibility of a nuclear reaction within the Earth and so I spent several months familiarizing myself with the technical detail of the aurora. I wish to call the Reader’s attention to something much more subtle – to a phenomenon known as the ‘pulsating aurora’.



Charged Particles From Where?


Scientists state that the charged particles which drive the aurora all come from the Sun. But is this really so? As a general statement, I have no problem with the concept that most of the charged particles do indeed originate from the Sun. Let us say, for the sake of argument, that 90% of the charged particles which drive the aurora probably emanate from the Sun. But as will be seen later, there are some, notably those which cause the pulsating aurora, which seem to hint strongly at a terrestrial origin. Prof. Davis writes:

“…these (charged) particles drift outward in the solar wind so slowly (1000 times slower than the sunlight) that the journey takes several days. Once the charged particles enter the magnetosphere, they undergo acceleration to speeds near one-fifth that of the speed of light. They then are capable of penetrating into the atmosphere to a depth of approximately 100 Km above the Earth’s surface.”

This fact is of crucial importance. The charged particles which arrive here from the Sun have far too little energy to actually create the aurora. So how are they accelerated? Scientists don’t know either.



The Aurora’s Pulse


The Sun might well feed some charged particles to the Earth, but the Earth somehow controls the aurora. Many mysteries abound which we shall visit. The pulsating aurora is normally seen after the magnificent auroral break-up. It pulsates quietly in the night sky for hours on end. The pulsating auroral forms undergo periodic or semi-periodic variations in brightness. The periods range from 0.1 sec to more than 20 sec. Prof. Davis writes:

“Pulsating aurora is spectacular, but it lacks the brightness, color and fast motions typical of the discrete aurora. In the over-all scheme of things, pulsating aurora is important because it is widespread and therefore represents the end effect of a substantial portion of the energy carried into the global auroral atmosphere by incoming fast particles. Some observations suggest that the ‘on’ phase of a pulse is associated with an increase in energy of the responsible incoming particles because the altitude of the lower border during the ‘on’ phase is lower than the altitude of nearby diffuse non-pulsating background aurora that may accompany the pulsating forms.”

Inherent in much of the aurora is this distinctive pulsation, this variation in its strength. Since these discrete auroras are caused by incoming streams of electrons, the implication is that something is in control of the incoming streams of electrons. What could be pumping these electrons into the polar skies – sometimes with a burst-like structure? The Reader should note that in all the examples given this flickering pulsating and flaming is taking place in the midnight sector of the Earth where the Sun has no effect at all.



Due South


There is another pre-condition for auroras which may strike the Reader as strange and unexpected – the Sun’s magnetic field must point south. Prof. Davis explains:

“…the largest magnetic storms and the greatest auroral displays occur only when the solar magnetic field points nearly directly south – and also when the solar wind is moving most rapidly, and when the strength of the magnetic field at the magnetosphere boundary is at its strongest. Major auroral displays and major magnetic storms apparently never occur unless the solar magnetic field at the magnetosphere boundary is pointed primarily south.”

It is strange that the Sun’s magnetic field must point in a north-south direction before the particles can enter the Earth’s magnetic field. Could it be that the Earth’s magnetic field is ‘weakest’ at a point in line with a possible Polar Hole in the Earth’s crust? Consider this mystery: The scientists are not quite sure where the charged particles are entering the magnetosphere – because it repels the charged particles – 98% of them. There has to be some weakness in the magnetosphere which allows the particles to enter. They surmise that the particles are entering from behind the Earth. But what if there is a ‘hole’ in the magnetosphere? A ‘hole’ which is a direct consequence of a hole in the crust of the planet? Could this be why the particles must be moving southward before they can then penetrate the magnetosphere and then cause the aurora?

So the charged particles have entered the magnetosphere. What then? The following sentence, penned by Davis is very telling:

“What happens there is not know, but one view is that the kinetic energy carried by the particles becomes temporarily stored as magnetic energy which then releases suddenly during substorms and causes the acceleration of auroral primaries.”

It is clear from the above that some uncertainty exists regarding the sequence of events once these charged particles enter the Earth’s magnetic field. How are the ‘stored’? How are they accelerated?



Auroral Conjugacy


Back in 1733 the French scientist Jean Jacques d’Ortous de Mairan thought that auroras might occur in the southern hemisphere as well. He suspected that the aurora was caused by the Sun, and he therefore expected the aurora to be identical in both hemispheres. The term ‘auroral conjugacy’ is even more specific. It means that the aurora in one hemisphere is the mirror image of the aurora in the other hemisphere. Prof. Davis took part in a set of experiments which as far as I know have never again been repeated. They devised a computer algorithm to determine the exact conjugate point for a magnetic line of force originating from Fairbanks, Alaska.



They determined this point to lie in the Pacific Ocean about 1500 Km south of Christchurch and 600 Km east of Macquarie Island. To test their ideas they conducted 18 paired flights between 1967 and 1971. They made use of long-range military versions of the Boeing 707. These aircraft were equipped with various cameras and sensitive auroral television cameras. One aircraft would take off from Anchorage, Alaska, while the other would take off from Christchurch, New Zealand. These two aircraft then flew along carefully prescribed paths which allowed them to reach the calculated geomagnetic conjugate points simultaneously. Their routes took them towards the poles and back to their launching sites.

They discovered that auroral displays in the different hemispheres were almost mirror images of each other. This was especially true at the equatorward boundaries of the aurora. They also discovered that auroras in the northern hemisphere tended to be brighter than those in the southern hemisphere. There were some instances of exact conjugates occurring, but there were also instances where the conjugacy failed altogether. It is interesting that conjugacy tended to fail at the higher latitudes. The original idea regarding conjugacy related to the idea that charged particles from the Sun were striking the Earth’s polar regions simultaneously.



Since the Sun is almost 100 times the diameter of the Earth, one would expect the particles from a solar flare to engulf the Earth and for the aurora to be almost identical at all times. However, as the Reader now understands, this is not the case. The particles which strike the Earth are possible coming from ‘above’ (the North or South Poles), and possibly from behind the Earth. The brightest aurora is on the night side of the Earth, away from the direct line of sight of the Sun. Also, the particles are traveling too slowly when they reach the Earth. Something is accelerating them. And yet, in spite of all this manipulation of these particles from the Sun, they retain some form of conjugacy. But they do more than that. Is something inside the Earth controlling the aurora’s behavior?

Prof. Davis discovered:

“The use of television systems on the aircraft led to one rather startling result. The systems detected pulsating auroras that were exactly synchronous; that is, the pulsating forms varied in brightness at exactly the same times in the two hemispheres within a tiny fraction of a second.”

The pulsations, great and small, match each other in intensity tens of thousands of miles apart from each other. Remember too that the pulsating aurora continues for hours and hours, and that these streams of electrons increase and decrease in intensity for hours on end, across large parts of the sky. Most amazing of all, in spite of this variability, these pulsations match each other exactly at opposite ends of the Earth. And where are these variable amounts of charged particles coming from? Are they all ‘stored’ from the Sun?



The explanation that two ends of a magnetic bottle open up simultaneously, allowing only some electrons to escape, seems highly improbable to me. It calls for a system of micro-management of the geomagnetic field at both ends of the Earth simultaneously. By what means could this occur if the Earth were solid? But what if these electrons originated from inside the Earth? What if an Inner Sun produced a variable stream of electrons? And what if an Inner Sun pulsated in some way?



These streams of electrons might exit the Polar Holes, follow the magnetic lines of force and cause an aurora in the opposite hemisphere. An electron stream originating from Antarctica would therefore cause an aurora in Alaska for example. These quasi-periodic, semi-random pulsations might then match in both hemispheres simply because they come from the same source. They might also match each other in intensity – more or less.



Traveling at tremendous speed, they would strike the atmosphere in two hemispheres almost virtually simultaneously. Prof. Davis confirmed:

“When we were able to detect corresponding pulsating auroras in the two hemispheres, they were always exactly in phase, right down to a few milliseconds… No, we never saw any that were shifted at all. We really expected to find them bouncing out of phase just like a tennis ball going across the net and being hit back by racquets on either court, but that definitely was not the way it was…. Whatever the cause it would seem that the triggering of the pulses must occur in the equatorial plane.”

But there’s a problem in postulating the equator as the source of the pulsating aurora. The magnetic field at the equator is approximately half as strong as in the polar regions – the magnetic field is at maximum strength in the polar regions and is controlled from there. There is no known mechanism at the equator which has any effect on the magnetic field. Remember too that the pulsating aurora occurs at night, and therefore the Sun cannot be the direct cause of these pulsations.

Let me attempt a Hollow Planet explanation of the Earth’s aurora – and judge for yourself whether this scenario makes any sense. A solar flare erupts on the surface of the Sun, sending charged particles racing outwards towards the planets. Most of the particles are repelled by the Earth’s atmosphere except for those occasions when the Sun’s magnetic field points southwards. Only these particles can slip through a weakness or a hole in the Earth’s magnetosphere. (A hole which has yet to be discovered, I might add.)



These southward moving particles are then channeled by magnetic lines of force into a hole in the crust of the Earth. This happens to them because the Earth’s magnetic field originates from this point. They follow the magnetic lines of force through the Inner Earth and exit at a south polar entrance. Under normal circumstances they would continue to encircle the Earth forming a doughnut-shaped belt which we call the Van Allen belt. Under normal conditions these particles possibly continue orbiting into and out of the Earth for days and weeks on end. They are constantly traveling in this circular motion. Could this be how these particles are gradually accelerated?

A stream of electrons produced by the Inner Sun might exit the Earth via its south Polar Hole and then be guided by the magnetic lines of force. These electrons would then go around the outside of the Earth and enter the Earth again. In this manner these electrons would continuously circuit the Earth without there being any indication whatsoever of their presence. There may be other streams of charged particles which move in the opposite direction by exiting via the north Polar Hole and entering through the south Polar Hole. These two opposing streams of charged particles would be encircling the Earth in opposite directions – endlessly. This might be the cause of the Van Allen belt – which surrounds the Earth.

Remember the possible connection between a south pointing solar magnetic field and auroral storms? Prof. Davis and most other scientists in Europe, America and Russia are residing in the northern hemisphere. For them it is probably true that a south pointing solar magnetic field triggers auroral storms in the northern hemisphere. What if a north pointing solar magnetic field were the cause of auroral storms in the southern hemisphere? This seems to me to be a logical conclusion to draw. Hence I’m suggesting that perhaps there are two opposing streams of charged particles circling the Earth.

Let’s suppose that these streams continue circling around and through the Earth for days and weeks on end. Then a ‘magnetic storm’ is triggered by the Central Sun. The Central Sun may then bend the magnetic lines of force causing them to now strike the Earth’s atmosphere thereby causing the aurora quite a considerable distance away from the polar entrance. As the Central Sun’s activity intensifies, it perhaps bends the magnetic lines of force even more so that the auroral oval widens and the aurora moves southwards. It seems from the evidence that most of the particles do indeed originate from the Sun. However, there may be a small percentage contributed by a tiny Central Sun inside the Earth.



The Dynamo Link


The idea that most aspects of the aurora may be linked to events at the core of a Hollow Planet may well seem absurd, so let me offer some evidence. The pulsations of the pulsating aurora definitely seems to have an earthly origin and to be related to whatever ‘dynamo’ it is which creates the Earth’s magnetic field:

“Pulsating auroras are usually accompanied by geomagnetic pulsations, and very rarely by faint whistling sounds. They also appear to generate 3000Mc radio waves.”

Or is it that whatever generates the 3000Mc radio waves also generates the geomagnetic pulses as well as the pulsating aurora?

It turns out that the night sky pulsates of its own accord. An interesting study resulted in the discovery of atmospheric brightness pulsations lasting about one millisecond, consisting of damped oscillations at a frequency of approximately 10 Kilohertz. These flickers are hard to explain in terms of terrestrial atmospheric physics. Could it be that the flickers in the night sky and the pulsations and radiowaves of the pulsating aurora are all caused by an Inner Sun?


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QUOTE(fifi85 @ Sep 14 2010, 04:49 PM)
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Reading your post is like reading a book. I curious where you get all those information? Can guess you damn into this topic
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becareful... lol
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QUOTE(fifi85 @ Sep 14 2010, 03:49 PM)
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Reading your post is like reading a book. I curious where you get all those information? Can guess you damn into this topic
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Studying, debunking and finding out require to read tons and tons of material gather from past to present and thinking require. Same as you study about life on earth surface. All i can do is link to the people who made the same question as you.

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Dude, you need a job. But I respect your hobby. Also I don't read posts as long as an essay. And I doubt anyone will so try make some short bursts of crisp and interesting arguments rather than copy pasta'ing a whole slab of text and expect us to read it. Get real.

Now explain to me why haven't any oil rigs accidentally punctured the outer layer and into the world inside and start drilling like .. nothing.

Maybe explain the molten lava layer between the crust and the core. And from there explain the phenomenon of a volcano.

Oh, just to add in. It must suck to have day time forever in that world.

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THE HOLE THROUGH THE EARTH

Dr. Frederick A. Cook is the most discredited explorer in all of Arctic history. Cook was so thoroughly discredited that I never once thought of even looking into the issues regarding his claim to have reached the North Pole before Peary. It was only while paging through Wally Herbert’s “Noose of Laurels” that I saw Cook’s map of his attempt on the North Pole.



As I looked at this map I noted the proximity of two large pieces of land which can no longer be found on any map: Crocker Land and Bradley Land. My curiosity revolved around the proximity of these two pieces of land which were independently ‘discovered’ by the most prominent polar explorers of the time. Was this just an accident or was there more to this apparent coincidence than met the eye?


(The author gives an extensive biography of Dr. Cook detailing the attempts to discredit his claims to have climbed Mt. McKinley and to have been the first to reach the North Pole. He describes the attacks on Cook’s character, but also gives character references to show that Cook was not the type of person his critics tried to portray him as. Besides being discredited, he was imprisoned for mail fraud at Leavenworth Federal Penitentiary.)



Cook’s Human Relations


So far we have discussed Cook’s abilities as an explorer. But in pondering his fights with Peary, it is worth considering him as a human-being. He was trained as a medical doctor. What was his attitude towards his fellow creatures? Was he the type of person disposed to lying and taking advantage of them? Peary and his supporters have made the case for decades that Cook is a liar and a fraud. They portray him as a bumbling fool, intent on the most childish sort of cheating. History portrays Cook as a con-man who perpetrated one great fraud on the heels of another. Cook is depicted as a man without standards, without any shame, without any decency whatsoever. Is this a correct assessment of him?

Prof. Ralph Myerson kindly sent me information regarding Dr. Cook’s contributions to medicine. Cook was often brave and innovative. It is worth considering his actions and some of his deeper thoughts. Here is some of what Prof. Myerson sent:

“During the Belgian Antarctic Expedition, Dr. Cook made important innovations in the construction of tents, light-weight sledges, protective clothing, and sun glasses. He was also instrumental in freeing the ice-bound ‘Belgice’ by suggesting and supervising the construction of channels in the ice leading to open water. Roald Amundsen, the first mate aboard the ‘Belgica’, regarded Dr. Cook as his mentor and developed a firm, life-long friendship that endured during Dr. Cook’s later trials and tribulations. In 1901 Dr. Cook sailed to Belgium where he and the rest of the ‘Bellgica’ officers received several awards including the coveted Order of Leopold.”

“Later in 1901 he responded to a request from the Peary Arctic Club to join a relief party to Greenland and perform a physical examination on Peary. There was concern because Peary had been in the Arctic for four years and hadn’t been heard from in two years. Although a rift had already developed between the two men, Cook agreed and performed a remarkably thorough and accurate examination on Peary at Etah. He is said to have made the diagnosis of pernicious anemia, the ultimate cause of Peary’s death and recommended that Peary eat a large amount liver. This was 20 years before Minot and Murphy were awarded the Nobel Prize in medicine for recommending liver as a treatment for pernicious anemia.”

“During his incarceration at Leavenworth Federal Penitentiary, Dr. Cook rendered valuable medical care to his fellow inmates, about a third of whom were drug addicts… Cook wrote: ‘I was led to believe that modern civilization is going under the cloud of a plague, more destructive in its economic strain than that of all the wars in history. The opium blight, if not checked, will eventually sap the life blood of half of mankind.’ Dr. Cook developed a treatment plan for the addicts which was based on non-specific supportive measures of water, exercise, sunlight and fresh foods plus a program of lectures and assistance aimed at rehabilitation. It may well have been one of the first such programs… Despite the controversy that surrounded Cook during his later life, even his critics and detractors are ready to recognize the above contributions made by him."

The Cook-Peary enmity contrasts strongly with the deep friendship which existed between Cook and Amundsen. Amundsen even came to visit him in prison. Amundsen was always a loyal friend and never forgot his mentor. That someone of the caliber of Amundsen should remain friends with Cook through thick and thin, to the bitter end, speaks volumes. If Cook was the bumbling childish cheat which Peary’s supporters claime he was, then surely Amundsen would have seen this and agreed with it? Yet Amundsen always believed to the end that Dr. Cook had indeed reached the North Pole first. Amundsen once remarked that Dr. Cook was: “The most extraordinary explorer I have ever met.”



Did Cook Reach the North Pole?


A few years before Dr. Cook died he wrote the following:

“I have been humiliated and seriously hurt. But that doesn’t matter any more. I’m getting old, and what does matter to me is that I want you to believe that I told the truth. I state emphatically that I, Frederick A. Cook, discovered the North Pole.”

(In pondering what I had seen in Herbert’s book) I was stunned by the realization that Cook had in fact been much closer to Crocker Land than Peary had been. Not only that, but Cook had marked new islands on his map. Stranger still, he had photographed Bradley Land! Cook later said that he had looked for Crocker Land, but that it did not exist at the location given by Peary. However, Cook had seen, photographed and pinpointed the location of Bradley Land. Neither Crocker Land nor Bradley Land can be found on any maps of the Arctic today. I posed this question to myself: Had Peary, Cook and MacMillan all told the truth back then?



Their testimonies are amazingly consistent and definitely complimentary. In reviewing the evidence, I came to the conclusion that the only instance of lying seems to me to have been when Peary, with the connivance of MacMillan, set out to discredit Dr. Cook’s claims to the Pole. It is possible that both Cook and Peary did indeed reach the North Pole.

Having studied their accounts, I am of the firm opinion that there is missing land up in that region of the Arctic. I further suggest that Bradley Land may be distantly related to Crocker Land. The rediscovery of Bradley Land may go a long way to t racking the Crocker Land mirage back to its roots. This should also lead us to finding out why these lands have been kept secret for so long. I believe we will find that we have discovered a Polar Hole.

Let us examine a detailed paper produced by Sheldon Shackelford Randolph Cook, who is historian of the Cook Society. In March 1998 he produced a paper entitled “Frederick Albert Cook, Discoverer of the North Pole. April 21, 1908 A Statement of the Evidence.” He wrote:

“Historically, the strongest supporting evidence, the proof, t he final confirmation of an explorer’s claim to discovery has lain in the verification of his descriptions of the geographical area first seen, reached and traversed by him by later exploration. If his first and original descriptions of this region are confirmed and verified by later exploration, then his claim to discovery is validated and established; if not, then his claim is disproved or rendered questionable… Frederick Albert Cook’s first and original descriptions of physical conditions and natural features at the North Pole and in the region of the Central Arctic Basin through which he sledged have been confirmed and substantiated by later exploration in detail after detail,…”

Sheldon then provides supporting evidence on a point by point basis. The description above is critical when considering whether Cook was the first to reach the North Pole. How could he have reported these conditions if he had never been there? Remember, no one else had been there either and conditions were different to what had been expected. Cook was unable to return to Greenland before winter set in and he was forced to spend the winter in Canada unable to reach his food caches. He and his Eskimos nearly perished that winter. Nevertheless, with incredible courage and ingenuity he survived. His attempt on the North Pole had thus taken much longer and been far more dangerous than the conditions encountered by Peary. This makes Cook’s assault on the Pole all the more amazing.



Renewed Support for Cook


(Statements of several people are given showing increasing acceptance of Cook’s claims both to having climbed Mt. McKinley and been the first to reach the North Pole.)

Bradley Land
That three different teams of explorers (led by Peary, Cook and MacMillan) should report land in virtually the same region seems to defy coincidence. Ever since I looked at Herbert’s book “Noose of Laurels” I wondered if there was a connection between Crocker Land and Bradley Land. Initially, I wondered if Bradley Land was an outlying island not far from the continental land mass of Crocker Land.



I have also wondered if Bradley Land and Crocker Land might perhaps be one and the same. (Much discussions follows concerning the reality of Crocker Land and Bradley Land and of the authenticity and implications of the photograph which Dr. Cook took of Bradley Land. Statements are given as to whether the photo was taken in the location claimed and whether it depicts actual land or an ice island. Problems of distances and shapes are also analyzed.)

The Bradley Land photograph contrasts strongly with another feature which Dr. Cook called the ‘submerged island’. This is glacial ice floating on the sea very close to the North Pole. Photographs of the ‘submerged island’ and Bradley Land exist and they are two very different features. The Bradley Land photograph shows hills of considerable size whereas the ‘submerged island’ is nothing more than glacial ice at sea-level. Dr. Cook thought this ice was resting on a submerged piece of land, hence he called it the ‘submerged island’.

Just when you thought there could not be any more twists to the story, let me add one more. Wally Herbert uses the ‘fact’ that there is no land up in the Arctic as the cornerstone for his arguments against Dr. Cook. In his book he has a photograph of the ‘submerged island’ of glacial ice at sea-level. He then goes on to claim that Dr. Cook did not print the entire plate in his book. He claims that when this original plate is reproduced fully, one then sees a chunk of land on the right-hand side. He reproduces this fuller version of the photograph in his book.



Herbert then states that this clearly shows the ‘submerged island’ to be a glacier resting on dry land! In this version of the photograph one can indeed see an enormous piece of dark rock which is many times taller than Cook’s companions. Judging by the slope of the rock, it seems as if this is the edge of a much higher hill of great size. Since there is no land close to the North Pole, Herbert then claims that Dr. Cook was a liar. But wait.



Dr. Cook said the ‘submerged island’ was ice which rested on submerged land a mere 120 miles from the North Pole. Could it be that there really is some rock jutting out above sea-level there? Could this be part of a shallow continental shelf related to land which really exists some distance away? To tell the truth, I don’t really believe this myself. I think something funny is going on. The piece of rock in that photograph is very large – perhaps 30 ft high, maybe more. It’s very hard to tell. But it is very large and must weigh many tons. It appears to be part of a much larger feature.



I find it inconceivable that Dr. Cook would spend so much time talking about glacial ice when he could have marked this piece of land on his map as well. His sledges were a few hundred meters away from it, and he could have walked upon it. His testimony contradicts what is in this ‘full’ photograph. He referred to the ‘submerged island’ – believing that the glacial ice rested on land beneath sea-level. Now if some land actually stood out, he would surely have drawn attention to it, especially if it was this large. But he did not. He did not remark upon the northernmost island on the face of the Earth. Strange.

I am suspicious of this photograph. Wally Herbert claims he found this photograph in the Library of Congress collection of Dr. Cook’s material. As will be seen later, Herbert also discovered that key photographic plates were missing from the Cook collection. Who took them? Dr. Cook’s photograph of Bradley Land was missing, as well as the photograph taken at the North Pole. Could it be that the US government itself has been fiddling with Dr. Cook’s polar material in the Library of Congress? I am highly suspicious of this piece of rock in the ‘full’ ‘submerged island’ photograph.



Could it be that this photograph has itself been manipulated by someone in a sophisticated attempt at further discrediting Dr. Cook? If there really had been land at that latitude, then why did Dr. Cook not mention it? We could always fall back on the ‘fake photo’ theory, but to do so would be to ignore the much greater evidence to the contrary. Is it possible that someone could actually produce a faked plate and place it in the Library of Congress, while removing the original? Who on Earth would have the scientific capability to produce a specially manipulated plate like this?



Unless someone in the US government and US military has gone to great lengths to attempt to discredit Dr. Cook – in an attempt to hide Bradley Land and the drifting glacial ice of questionable origin. These people may feel it better to encourage researchers to look towards Axel Heiberg Island where these photographs were supposedly faked than to have potential explorers flying and traversing the Arctic Ocean where Crocker Land and Bradley Land might exist.

It is strange that the Cook Society puts itself squarely behind Dr. Cook and then suddenly makes an about turn on the above point refusing to accept his estimates and conclusions regarding Bradley Land. If he was the competent explorer they claim him to be, then why are they abandoning him on this point? The photograph of Bradley Land poses serious problems for the Cook Society. Much as they would like to believe him, they are faced with the ‘fact’ that land does not exist at the location given. This puts Sheldon Cook in a tough spot and he clearly recognizes that he might be faced with a losing battle. So he tries to hedge his bets both ways:

“If glaciologists should eventually determine that the photograph of Bradley Land in Cook’s book in fact depicts ice-sheathed land rather than an ice island, it must be concluded that Cook simply used a photograph of a feature which as nearly as possible approximated what he had seen west of his line of march for the purpose of illustrating his book…”

I think Sheldon is undermining his entire position by proposing that Dr. Cook started taking photographs to ‘represent’ things he had really seen. I know of no rule of exploration which allows one to do this. If Cook ever did this, then the onus would have been on him to state so openly in his book. He claimed these things were fact and stood by his claims until he died. Bradley Land and the submerged island are the two most important physical features he saw during his assault on the North Pole.



For key Cook supporters to begin using this type of logic is highly dangerous. If Cook used photographs to represent physical features, how can we then trust his photographs taken at the North Pole? Sheldon is opening up a Pandora’s box filled with problems for Dr. Cook by following this line of reasoning. In a sense, his reasoning leads almost to a direct admission that Dr. Cook was making things up as he went along.



And yet, there is so much evidence to the contrary. As Sheldon acknowledges, making up evidence is a highly dangerous undertaking because other explorers will be checking up on it. For example, Cook’s photographs show the enormous hills of Bradley Land. Now what if someone were to go there and find a different configuration? What then? Such things would not go unnoticed, and Dr. Cook would be called upon to explain this discrepancy. In fact, one of the ‘rules’ of exploration is that later explorers must check upon and confirm the discoveries of those who went before. Photographs, maps and written descriptions are therefore taken very seriously by geographers and later explorers.

The photograph (Plate 31 in the book) may provide us with the answer to the problem. Take a look at the hills shown in this photograph. The hills cover most of the horizon, except for a region in line with the first sledge. At this point there appears to be a gap in the line of hills. When Dr. Cook plotted the coastline of Bradley Land, he drew it as two separate, distinct pieces of land, separated by a gap of several miles. That gap seems to be evident right there in that very photograph. Would you have me believe that he went looking for a feature of the right size, with just such a gap, elsewhere, for photographic purposes? Why should this photograph seem to reflect, exactly, the facts as he plotted them on a map?

Wally Herbert mentions another interesting point:

“The search for ‘Bradley Land’ is made even harder since the only picture available is the one in his book, the original plate is missing from the Cook Collection in the Library of Congress, as are also the plates of the two other crucial pictures: those of his ‘North Pole’ camp and his ‘summit picture’ of Mt. McKinley.”

I find it very interesting that all the original plates in support of Dr. Cook’s claims are now missing. All we have left are the photographs which are in his books. Now why would all these originals ‘go missing’? Or has someone deliberately removed them to undermine Dr. Cook’s position? Did Peary’s supporters remove these photographs? Or did military officials go to the Library of Congress to remove these originals at a later date? Or was this sanctions by the US Government itself?

What do we make of the ‘full’ ‘submerged island’ photograph? Why did Dr. Cook not reproduce this? Or was this plate produced and placed in the Library of Congress in recent years by a US Government which is intent on hiding something in the Arctic? From day one, the US Military had it in for Dr. Cook. Peary, MacMillan and all their military supporters set out to destroy Dr. Cook. Did they do this merely from jealousy or were they, back then, already aware that something untoward might exist in the Arctic?



There was much Hollow Earth discussion going on in the decades prior to the discovery of the North Pole. Were the US Government and the US Military back then already interested in the subject? For more than a century prior to the discovery of the North Pole, there had indeed been much said and written about a possible entrance into an Inner World via a hole in the Arctic. Many people had attempted to bring this to the attention of various governments, especially the US Government.



These governments never put much stock in these bizarre theories. However, they must certainly have been aware of these ideas. I follows therefore, that if any credible evidence were to later surface, these governments might very quickly have realized the true significance of what was going on and taken action immediately. The issues regarding Crocker Land and Bradley Land at first might not have meant much to anybody.



Peary and MacMillan were probably motivated by jealousy alone and nothing more. However, much later, perhaps during the Cold War, the true importance of these discoveries might have become apparent. This may have required that further action be taken to ensure that no one ever looks seriously into these issues. This might explain the strange happenings to Dr. Cook’s material in the Library of Congress. It might have required that a more subtle and sophisticated attempt be made to ensure that Dr. Cook remained discredited for the time being – perhaps while the governments concerned try to find out what is really going on inside the Earth.

What conclusion can we draw regarding Dr. Cook’s journey to the North Pole? (The author reviews and speculates on the information recorded by Cook, Peary, and MacMillan concerning Crocker Land and Bradley Land.) Remember that Peary and MacMillan saw Crocker Land to the North West? And Cook saw Bradley Land due West. If one draws their line-of-sight on a map it then results in these lines meeting at a single spot some distance west of both Crocker Land and Bradley Land. Is this where Crocker Land and Bradley Land physically exist. Maybe. The thought that Crocker Land and Bradley Land may be one and the same, and that they lie further west of their supposed positions is tantalizing. This could explain why Bradley Land has also not been found yet – at least by civilian explorers. Perhaps the key to the whole problem is to travel further west of the positions given for these lands?



The Map Evidence


While I was looking for old maps, Billy Baty happened upon an old map in a text book. Unfortunately we could not discover the origins of this map. Nevertheless, it had some interesting notation on it. Up in the region directly north of the Bering Strait, but falling short of the North Pole, it had the notation “This sea is probably never completely closed”. This notation was in the region where Lt. DeLong would have expected to find his Polar continent. One can’t help wondering what caused the map-maker to reach this conclusion, but it has overtones of the Open Polar sea.

Let us also hark back to earlier chapters such as the one on meteorology. In the chapter it will be remembered we discussed the origin of strange clouds which seemed to somehow be related to the Earth’s magnetic poles. The direction in which these clouds moved, depending from where they were spotted, seemed to suggest that they originated from the Earth’s magnetic or geomagnetic poles. These same clouds, when seen from the USA, did not seem to have that orientation. This is understandable if their real point of origin lay somewhere between the North Magnetic and the Geomagnetic North Poles.



Crocker Land and Bradley Land lie at a spot equidistant – almost – from these points as well. Could it be that these lands lie near a Polar Hole? If so, could it be that these strange clouds really originate from a point close to Crocker Land and Bradley Land and that depending on one’s longitude, one would mistakenly think these clouds are aligned with the magnetic poles?



The Reader has probably wondered about the relationship between a Polar Hole and the Earth’s magnetic field. Should a Polar Hole not coincide with either the North Magnetic Pole or the Geomagnetic Pole? This is a question which I have wondered about many times myself. Strictly speaking, if the Earth’s magnetic field originates from inside the Earth, then the magnetic lines of force should direct us straight to a Polar Hole. By this definition one should find a Polar Hole exactly at the Geomagnetic Pole. The Geomagnetic Pole lies between Canada and Greenland.



The aurora and the Earth’s entire magnetic field are centered upon this point, and this is the logical place where one should find a Polar Hole. The North Magnetic Pole lies closer to the Beaufort Sea – and it moves considerably. The Russians believed for a long time that another magnetic pole lay in Siberia as well, and that magnetic lines of force bunched together across the Arctic between the Siberian and Canadian Magnetic Poles. These lines of force come very close to mystery sediments which lie very close to Bradley Land and Crocker Land. Larry Newitt, the Canadian scientist who has determined the position of the North Magnetic Pole in the Queen Elizabeth Islands near the Beaufort Sea, told me that the Russians later dropped their theory of the Russian/Siberian Magnetic Pole. He stated that they believed in it right up to the 1980s.

As was mentioned earlier, since the Earth’s crust is essentially rigid, it is highly likely that large quantities of ore are down there. This ore very probably distorts the Earth’s magnetic field thereby creating a situation where the North Magnetic Pole is a considerable distance from the Geomagnetic Pole. Strictly speaking, the North Magnetic Pole should also be at the Geomagnetic Pole. And both of them should actually be at the North Pole because that is the axis about which the Earth spins. The mere fact that the North Magnetic Pole lies a considerable distance from the Geomagnetic Pole is itself anomalous. This clearly indicates that a considerable distortion of the Earth’s magnetic field occurs near the surface. This being the case, it is to be expected that the geomagnetic field is so distorted that the Geomagnetic Pole does not coincide with position of a Polar Hole.



However, a Polar Hole cannot lie too far away from the Geomagnetic Pole. I drew a triangle between the Geomagnetic Pole, the North Magnetic Pole, and the site of the ‘Russian Magnetic Pole’. One would expect a Polar Hole to lie either within, or close to this triangle. The evidence suggest to me that the line connecting the North Magnetic Pole and the ‘Russian Magnetic Pole’ is the place to start looking. In Figure 17.2 we see Keenan Land marked near the coast of Alaska. Note too, the Eskimo sightings of land from Camden and Harrison Bays in Alaska. Could it be that these Eskimos were really seeing a ‘telescopic’ mirage of land which lies much further north? Could Capt. Keenan’s sighting of land actually be a sighting of that same land? Perhaps. If so, the suggestion is that land must lie somewhere up in the Beaufort Sea. And what of the Eskimos who actually traveled to this land and found other Eskimos living there?

My information regarding Sannikov Land is scant. I had wondered if Sannikov Land might simply be the Crocker Land mirage seen from the other side of the Earth. However, that does not seem to be the case because the Russians saw it to the north and north-west. Sannikov Land might be a problem similar to Bradley Land, but from the Russian point of view. Sannikov Land might simply be land lying in the far north, not far from a Polar Hole. Its existence might be covered up for the same reasons that Bradley Land’s existence is denied. It might simply be too close to a Polar Hole for comfort to allow civilians to wander in its vicinity.

When all these sightings of land and the meteorology are taken into consideration, we find ourselves contemplating the existence of land and a possible Polar Hole somewhere due north, or slightly NNE of Alaska, falling short of the North Pole by approximately 5 degrees. Many people will of course say this is totally impossible. What of those, such as Wally Herbert, who traveled up there in the 1960s? This make me wonder. I have pondered Wally Herbert’s motives for doing such a nasty hatchet job on both Dr. Cook and Peary. Could it be that some of these expeditions across the Arctic have been staged so as to make us think people have been in a certain region when in fact they have not?



Wally Herbert was well aware of the slow speed at which his expedition traveled. This has subsequently been highlighted by comparisons with Peary and with Will Steger’s 1986 expedition. Herbert accounted for this by saying that he had to make a considerable number of detours around pressure ridges with his heavy sledges. Really? Or was Herbert making a detour around something else? A Polar Hole maybe? One should not exclude the possibility of sophisticated deception. If something is of critical importance, then clever people, in positions of power, might well go to great lengths to cloud the issues to ensure that these things are not discovered by accident. These are probably patriotic people who are convinced of the correctness of their actions.

Could Wally Herbert’s vicious attacks on Dr. Cook and Peary have the deeper motives of discrediting their testimony of Crocker Land and Bradley Land? Consider his theory that Peary lied about Crocker Land simply to ensure that he could raise money for future expeditions of his own. MacMillan’s first-hand testimony of Crocker Land makes nonsense of that idea. Scientists, to this day, recognize that something is not quite right with the problem of Crocker Land, and no one has come up with a truly satisfactory explanation for it. Since Cook had been thoroughly discredited, the possible existence of Bradley Land was never taken seriously. But, even the Bradley Land mystery is slowly coming to the fore again as people take a renewed interest in Dr. Cook.

There is visual evidence which suggests that a certain region of the Arctic, slightly off-set from the North Pole (by about 5 degrees) is open to suspicion. Strange, off-beat things have been seen here by famous explorers. None of these things, including the strange meteorology we have discussed, seem to make much sense within the bounds of our science. So far we have only concentrated on Cook, Peary and MacMillan. But, has anyone else seen any indication of land up in this part of the Arctic? Take a look at this introductory e-mail which I received from Prof. Myerson on 17 June 1998:

“Allow me to introduce myself as Ralph Myerson, MD, Vice-President of the Frederick A. Cook Society. Russ Gibbons has furnished me with a copy of your correspondence… I have no expertise in your research; my interest lies mainly in the area of Dr. Cook’s medical talents and the many incontrovertible contributions he made to polar medicine. I do recall, however, that when Amundsen visited Cook when the latter was serving time in Leavenworth Federal prison (another sad story of a travesty of justice), he (Amundsen) expressed some belief in the existence of Bradley Land and stated that when he flew over the area of its location, he saw land birds in the region, too far for them to have come from the Canadian archipelago.”



Soil From Inside the Earth?


Consider the following scientific evidence from the magazine “Discovery”:

“How did sand and gravel, typical of sea-shores and river beds respectively, reach the deep ocean bottom of the Arctic hundreds of miles from the nearest land? This has been the puzzle facing the American researchers who have been analyzing ocean-bottom samples dredged up in the Central Arctic Basin not far from the North Pole from the IGY drifting station Alpha, a temporarily occupied ice floe which circulated in the region between 84 and 85 degrees N, 138 to 152 degrees W during eighteen months of 1957-58.”

The article in “Discovery” went on to say that this analysis was the most comprehensive ever undertaken in this ‘inaccessible region’ of the Arctic. The scientists thought the mysterious sand and gravel were a ‘most remarkable feature’ of this part of the Arctic Ocean. They wanted to know where these sands and gravels originated from. They concluded that the sand was not carried there by water because the particles showed very little ‘rounding’. Experience had shown that even a journey of less than 500 meters through water increases the roundness of particles by several factors.



Yet, the gravel must have traveled several hundred kilometers at the very least, in a straight line, to have originated from one of the existing landmasses. Considering that the water in the Arctic Ocean travels in a circular fashion, this translates into a journey of at least ‘thousands of kilometers’. The scientists went on to suggest that the soil got there by ‘ice rafting’. The problem with this suggestion is that there would have to be ocean currents capable of transporting large quantities of sand and gravel towards the North Pole. But from which rivers did these sands and gravels originate?

Let us take a closer look at the transport problem. Firstly, there are no currents which flow directly towards this spot. The entire ocean in this region tends to flow in a circular fashion. At first glance the Reader might think that these sands and gravels originated from the Canadian Islands. However, the problem here is that there are no rivers on these frozen islands of the far north. The most likely rivers which could have provided the gravel are actually in Alaska.



But for the soil to have been transported from Alaska (or even Canada) would require it to travel a considerable distance along a circular route out into the Arctic Ocean. Unless the soil was transported on top of the ice, the soil would have been rounded by traveling through water. Life in the distant Arctic seems almost impossible to consider. And yet, the sub-Arctic, in Canada for example, is much colder than it is out there in the middle of the Arctic Ocean. Do these sediments originate from Crocker Land or Bradley Land? Do rivers flow there? Are there perhaps hot springs up there which make the climate milder thereby enabling some Eskimos, birds and other animals to live up there?



Winds From Nowhere


Dr. Cook mentioned the considerable haze which was present during his trip to the North Pole. He described it as a bluish haze. Consider the following strange information from “Mosaic” in 1978.



Every year, in March and April, a strange haze descends upon the clear pristine air of Alaska. This haze lies at an altitude of 10,000 ft and gives the sky a whitish, diffuse look. When seen from an airplane, it causes the horizon to disappear completely. Scientist studied the haze to try to determine its origin. They discover it was largely made up of:

(a) Dust

(b) Sulphuric acid droplets

Scientists concluded that the dust and sulphuric acid,

“… must be imported because there are no sources of such materials in the Arctic.”

They theorized that violent wind storms in the Gobi Desert might be responsible for the dust. However, the sulphuric acid was a greater mystery. They speculated that perhaps the sulphuric acid droplets were produced by Japanese factories and that it was then carried to Alaska by strong winds. However, they were not sure if this was really the correct answer. They concluded that:

“These are speculation, though, and no one is sure where this haze comes from or how far it extends beyond Alaska into the stable, stagnant air over the Arctic Ocean.”

Do you remember the presence of sulphuric acid droplets in large quantities in the polar atmosphere of Venus? Could there be a link between such sulphuric acid mist and the Inner Earth? “Mosaic” stated that the haze actually extends far out into the Arctic, north of Alaska. Does this haze really come from Japan? Japan lies south west of Alaska. We know from Dr. Cook that a haze did indeed extend all the way up to the North Pole. Does this haze originate from somewhere near the North Pole? To the best of my knowledge, Peary never mentioned this haze while on his journey to the North Pole.



Could it be that this haze emanates from the region where Crocker Land and Bradley Land exist? Is there a link between this strange haze and Goesta Wollin’s discoveries, and the other strange meteorological phenomena mentioned in earlier chapters? Does this haze provide a natural camouflage for Bradley Land and Crocker Land, making their discovery very difficult? Could this haze and mist be related to large numbers of hot springs on an unknown landmass in the Arctic?



Polar Holes


I just cannot see how a sizable piece of land up in the Arctic could have remained undiscovered to this day. I have thus speculated on whether some of this land really belongs to the outer surface of our world as we know it, or whether it lies inside a Polar Hole of some kind. And how big could such a hole be? When I originally began this study, I had been driven by the idea of a tiny Polar Hole – perhaps as small as 50 miles across. But as I reach the conclusion of this study, I can’t help wondering if it’s much larger – perhaps 100 or 200 miles across. It still falls considerably short of the figure proposed by Marshall Gardner and others, of a hole 1,400 miles across.



Nevertheless, it could be hundreds of miles across. Such a feature would definitely have some effect on our weather and would help to explain some of the strange meteorological phenomena noticed by scientists. The eye-witness accounts of missing lands and continents of considerable size in the Arctic leave me wondering about the size of a Polar Hole and any land in or around it. It seems as if we are dealing with a landmass which is very large. It may be that the accompanying Polar Hole is also quite large.

The mirage theory seems to work quite well as an explanation for the strange mirage called Crocker Land. But the same does not quite seem to be true of Bradley Land. Does Crocker Land therefore technically belong to the Inner Earth while Bradley Land is some kind of outlier which belongs to the outer surface? Perhaps. If so, then why is Bradley Land not on any map? Could it be because it lies near a Polar Hole?

But is there any other way of determining whether there is a hole right through the Earth? In an earlier chapter I speculated about the rising and falling atmosphere of the Earth. I have wondered whether some scientists have perhaps already discovered a hole through the Earth without realizing it. In the early 1980s, while browsing through the Pretoria Public Library, I came upon a book which discussed the effects of a nuclear war. It was a well-researched book, and I read it. Since the major powers of the world are located in the northern hemisphere, and since a nuclear exchange is more likely to place in the northern hemisphere, the author made a point which surprised me.



Scientists had concluded that very little radioactive fallout from the northern hemisphere would reach the southern hemisphere. The accuracy of this statement has been confirmed by other people who are knowledgeable in this field. Meteorology teaches us that winds tend to blow from the equator to the poles and back. Hence radioactive material blowing from the north towards the equator is very likely to be caught up by poleward winds and circulated back to the north. This will happen before the radioactive fallout manages to cross the equator into the southern hemisphere. The same is true for air moving from the South Pole to the equator - the air will be circulated back to the south.

On 26 April 1986 the worst peace-time accident to date occurred. Fires and explosions were caused by an unauthorized experiment at the Chernobyl nuclear plant in Russia. Thirty-one people died in the immediate aftermath and 135,000 were evacuated from areas around Chernobyl. Some areas were rendered uninhabitable and significant quantities of nuclear material were spread around Europe by the prevailing winds. Being aware of the virtual impossibility of nuclear fallout reaching the southern hemisphere, you can imagine my surprise on learning that scientists suddenly discovered radioactive fallout from Chernobyl – at the South Pole.



This was reported in “Science News” in May 1990. Jack E. Dibb, a geochemist from the University of New Hampshire, collected samples from a snow pit about 38 Km from the South Pole. In the deeper portion of the pit he and his colleagues found radioactive layers corresponding to the years 1955 – 1974. Above ground nuclear testing was at its peak during those years.



They also found a radiation ‘spike’ which was approximately 20 – 30 times greater than the normal background radiation levels. They found this ‘spike’ in the snow deposited near the top of the pit. This snow had fallen some time between late 1987 and early 1988. More specifically, they found that the radioactivity came from caesium-137 which does not occur naturally. Caesium-137 only comes from nuclear reactors or nuclear explosions. Scientists have discovered that it takes approximately 20 months for radioactive fallout from nuclear test in the northern hemisphere to reach the South Pole. The radioactive deposits from Chernobyl also took 20 months to reach the South Pole.



Based on the discoveries of Jack Dibb et al, we can be absolutely certain that the radioactive fallout from nuclear tests and nuclear accidents in the northern hemisphere are indeed reaching the South Pole. But how? In a letter to “Nature”, dated 3 May, Dibb’s team proposed that the radioactive material rose high into the stratosphere, crossed the equator and then fell in central Antarctica. As can be appreciated, atmospheric scientists, who know how winds behave, were very skeptical of this explanation. These atmospheric scientists doubted whether significant amounts of Chernobyl fallout could ever cross the equator and be deposited at the South Pole.

The problem becomes even more mysterious because it turns out that there is no evidence whatsoever that the radioactive material ever crossed the equator to begin with. Radioactive material would have been detected at various places en route to the South Pole, and in other parts of Antarctica. But there was none. Furthermore, as the radioactive material continued its journey, there would have been less and less of it as it approached the South Pole. Instead, it turns out that there is a high concentration of this material at this one spot in Antarctica. Dibb tried to explain it by way of

“… special wind patterns above the Antarctic might explain why the South Pole is the only spot in the southern hemisphere where scientists have detected excess caesium-137 following the Chernobyl event.”

The mystery grows. But the atmospheric scientists disputed Dibb’s explanation. It’s one thing dealing with above-ground nuclear tests where perhaps some of the fallout did rise high into the sky and some of it did perhaps manage to get across the equator. But, they point out that none of this is true for Chernobyl. The radioactivity from Chernobyl never reached high altitudes as happens with the super-heated air in an atomic explosion.



The Chernobyl material lay at a much lower level in the atmosphere. So how could it get from latitude 51 degrees N in Russia to the other side of the Earth? Jerry Malman from the Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory at Princeton also disputed Dibb’s explanation. He maintained that water condensation in the rising air would have washed the caesium out. He could not conceive how any significant amount of matter could have crossed the equator. Malman’s criticism is very valid, especially with respect to the humid air found at the equator.

So the mystery remains. How did low lying radioactive air from Chernobyl in Russia end up in a single spot at the other end of the Earth, along with other high-level radioactivity? Let’s go back to Lt. Col. William E. Molett who told me that he had flown more often to the North Pole than anyone else. Lt. Col. Molett was the navigator on board of the modified bombers which were sent by the USAF in the 1950s to collect radioactive fallout at the North Pole. Molett flew 91 classified missions to the North Pole. Molett told me telephonically that the purpose of the missions at the time was to obtain air samples from the air above the North Pole. Why?



Because the radioactive fallout from Russian nuclear tests were blown northwards and were concentrated at the North Pole by natural wind patterns. Over a period of almost five years, Molett continued with these regular flights to obtain air samples from the North Pole. These would be analyzed by American scientists to determine if the Russians had been conducting secret nuclear tests.

We now know that air currents will concentrate radioactive fallout in and around the North Pole. The conclusions of the atmospheric scientists who disputed Dibb’s theory are therefore well-founded. So how then does this concentration reach the South Pole? Many Russian nuclear tests are conducted far north. I stand to be corrected, but I think the Russians conduct some nuclear tests on the Kola Peninsula which lies at the northernmost point in Russia. I am not sure if they ever conduct above-ground nuclear tests there.

What if there is a hole which goes all the way through the Earth? That is an option which scientists have obviously not considered. What if air sometimes gets sucked into this hole and is sometimes blown out of it due to changing air pressures and the changing seasons on the outside of the Earth? The atmospheric conditions inside a Hollow Planet, regardless of what they are, should be relatively stagnant compared to the outer surface.



Any Inner Sun which may be there will remain relatively fixed in position and the surface will suffer from the same level of heat or cold, light or darkness throughout. Hence, there is no reason why atmospheric pressure inside a Hollow Planet should change much except when the Inner Sun itself becomes more active. The major meteorological driving force must therefore lie on the outside of the planet. It is the changing angle of the Earth with respect to the Sun which determines the seasons on the outside of the Earth. When it is winter at the North Pole, it is summer at the South Pole. I seems probably to me that when air is being sucked in through one Polar Hole, it must be blown out of the other.



This does of course imply that there must be a slight interchange of hemispheric air at the equator to balance this scenario. It follows that some air may be sucked in one Polar Hole, and over time it might end up being blown out of the other. As an aside, let me add that the atmosphere inside the Earth might be modified slightly by the conditions which are present there. Various chemical and other changes might be made to it while inside the Earth. A scientific study of air entering and leaving the Polar Holes might therefore teach us something about conditions inside the Earth.

Let us return to the Chernobyl problem. If a Polar Hole is located near the North Pole, it then follow that it would suck in the air with the greatest concentration of radioactivity in all of the northern hemisphere. On time some of this air would travel right through the Earth and end up being deposited somewhere near the South Pole. We can therefore infer that the entrances to this hole through the Earth lie somewhere near, but no exactly at, the North and South Poles. There are of course no Polar Holes marked on any maps, but one could consider trying to find them by way of weather balloon experiments.



If one has the patience, one could try seeing if weather balloons can be sucked into the Earth at one Pole and then spewed out 20 months later at the other Pole. By tracking these balloons, one could establish with absolute certainty whether they traveled along the outside of the Earth or whether they entered the Earth. By noting the points at which they disappeared and reappeared one could then determine exactly where these Polar Holes are. The mere fact that the low-level Chernobyl radioactive fallout was concentrated in a small area near the South Pole is, to me, highly suggestive of the existence of a South Polar Hole not far away.

We can do one better than merely guessing at the existence of Polar Holes. We can try to find them. In my research I tried to see if I could narrow down the possible location of a North Polar Hole. The Antarctic has a small population of only 3,000 people and information about it is more scant than for the Arctic. I therefore concentrated my efforts on the Arctic because the chances of success seemed higher. It is also far easier and cheaper to travel into the Arctic to find such a thing. The Arctic has been more thoroughly traveled and studied than the Antarctic. Consequently, there is more data to go on. It is also highly probably, if not a virtual certainty, that the North Polar Hole was discovered first, and therefore one might pick up clues from Arctic exploration since the original discovery would have happened unexpectedly. Hence my interest in Crocker Land and Bradley Land and in the early, uncensored testimony of Arctic explorers.



Conclusion


This effectively brings to a close my years of incessant research into the matter of Hollow Planets. It is now four and a half years since the issue was first raised, and I look forward to some rest from this obsession of mine. You can take a look at any map in any atlas, in any country. Look in the vicinity of Crocker Land and Bradley Land and you will find nothing by ocean. The seafloor in these regions has supposedly been mapped too. There is nothing you will find in any literature in geography to indicate the existence of land at these points, or to suggest the existence of Polar Holes anywhere.

In testing this centuries-old idea, I set out to find a hole which might lead into the Earth. There is no scientifically accepted evidence that planets are hollow. It is a taboo subject which only crackpots like myself can entertain. But what if it’s true? What if Dr. Cook and Commander Peary, in their attempts to reach the North Pole, stumbled upon the outskirts of a vast land sitting up in the Arctic, near/in a Polar Hole? What if the full extent of the problem only became clear to the governments of Russia, Canada, and the USA when the Cold War started after World War II? What if, at the height of the Cold War (when military secrecy was at its greatest) it was discovered that the Earth was hollow?

What of MacMillan’s conclusions that Crocker Land was a mirage? The science of optics has come a long way, and what MacMillan saw could only have been based on something else. Peary saw Crocker Land from two different angles days apart. MacMillan, Green and the others saw it at least three times through field-glasses and even with the naked-eye, close-up. Peary said it was enormous. MacMillan did too. Then we have Dr. Cook’s strange photograph of Bradley Land. Amundsen’s tale of the land birds flying towards Bradley Land, and Wilkins’ altimeter story. Is Bradley Land real as well? And what of Capt. Keenan, and the Alaskan Eskimos and the land which lies north of Alaska? What of Sannikov Land which was also seen three times in eighty years by experienced Russian explorers?

There is no normal reason whatsoever for a government to lie about the existence of land in the Arctic. However, if that land is connected to something awesome, something amazing, which frightens our governments, then perhaps they might try to hide its existence. I believe therefore, that if there is land up there, it must, in one way or another, be connected to the existence of a hole which goes deep into the crust of the Earth. Maps are exceptionally accurate these days. Is the sea bed in the vicinity of Crocker Land and Bradley Land really as they say it is? Or is it, perhaps, that such things were concocted so that no one would suspect the existence of such a secret? The only way to know for certain is for several private expeditions to go up there and to take a good look close-up. A search must be conducted for Bradley Land and Crocker Land. If any new land is found up there in the Arctic Ocean, then we must know that indeed a hole in the Earth can’t be far away.

I have made countless suggestions in this book for further experimentation in all manner of fields, including astronomy and polar exploration. I have made these suggestions seriously and I encourage those with the necessary skills to please look into this. I am making a serious suggestion hoping that someone can travel into the Arctic to engage in a serious investigation and to search for these lands which we are told do not exist.

If planets are hollow, then I feel we have a right to know. If there is something inside our world – no matter what it is - then I believe everyone should know about it. This problem of Hollow Planets can easily be solved. All it will take is a little resolve, some intelligence and a bit of hard work. Within a few short years we should be able to answer many of these questions properly. We need not sit back and wait until some government tells us this is or is not so. If they have lied before, what is to stop them from lying again? Christopher Columbus was an unreasonable man who challenged the erroneous beliefs of his time. He made many mistakes, but by his determination he found a New World. The New World he found may be as nothing compared to the Inner World which might exist right inside this Earth. Are you ready to be the next Columbus?

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I think that can be constituted as spam rather than an attempt to raise a discussion.
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what? shocking.gif

u mean u didnt read all of them?
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QUOTE(fifi85 @ Sep 14 2010, 04:34 PM)
what? shocking.gif

u mean u didnt read all of them?
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I did read all of them. In order to raise a discussion. You need to understand it first. This is not a spam.. if it was i would be typing nonsense and force you all to say it is true and no dispute.

So what do you all think about it? or you need more infomation?


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No i mean daccorn not you.

I dont have any opinion yet. Havent really read everything and understand them
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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 14 2010, 03:59 PM)
Studying, debunking and finding out require to read tons and tons of material gather from past to present and thinking require. Same as you study about life on earth surface. All i can do is link to the people who made the same question as you.
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i have not yet see any solid evidence in all you post for hollow earth, some times like holes in both pole can easily be verify with satelite photo, weather balloon photo are even taking photo from plan, also many people have reach the center of north and south pole, why have they not notice a gapping hole on the ground and a freaking sun inside the earth?

what are the evidence you have that aurora borealis and aurora australis is not cause by charged particle from sun colliding with earth atmosphere.

pictured are the aurora australis not coming out of a hole in the ground

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Aurora maybe is cause by the magnetic field. Then it become light
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QUOTE(daccorn @ Sep 14 2010, 07:30 PM)
Dude, you need a job. But I respect your hobby. Also I don't read posts as long as an essay. And I doubt anyone will so try make some short bursts of crisp and interesting arguments rather than copy pasta'ing a whole slab of text and expect us to read it. Get real.

Now explain to me why haven't any oil rigs accidentally punctured the outer layer and into the world inside and start drilling like .. nothing.

Maybe explain the molten lava layer between the crust and the core. And from there explain the phenomenon of a volcano.

Oh, just to add in. It must suck to have day time forever in that world.
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I think you missed my post before your spam. No fifi85, I didn't read them. I deserve punishment.

Back to TS, you want us to read all of that so we can understand and make discuss? Forget it. When I see the size of my scroll bar I decided on the spot its not going to be anything worth my time. I'm sure if I read it, I'd gain some extra ideas. But how about you summarize it for us since you have already read them ?
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ya summmary plz.. I also din really understand cuz maybe my iq not high enuff to get it so quick..

Just the important points for discussion is good.
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@fifi85

Same, my I.Q is very very low... let me put it in point form.

- Earth is theorize as hollow with an inner sun.
- Entrance to the hollow earth is from the North and south pole.
- Land in the inner earth is tropical forest type.
- Its Twilight there with 24/7 day time.

@daccorn
If you wonder why oil drill never puncture to the inner earth is that the furthest they ever drill is at 12 miles.. to get to the center of the crust is 400 miles .. as discribe about the crust is 800 miles.


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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 14 2010, 05:03 PM)
@fifi85

Same, my I.Q is very very low... let me put it in point form.

- Earth is theorize as hollow with an inner sun.
- Entrance to the hollow earth is from the North and south pole.
- Land in the inner earth is tropical forest type.
- Its Twilight there with 24/7 day time.

@daccorn
If you wonder why oil drill never puncture to the inner earth is that the furthest they ever drill is at 12 miles.. to get to the center of the crust is 400 miles .. as discribe about the crust is 800 miles.
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at 12KM the temperature is already 180C, at the 800 miles down, the "tropical forest" would be several thousand degree.

the picure you show on the first page show several hole that access the inner earth one is from giza, how does the people go through the 800 miles crust without being roasted alive?


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I am doubtful of the admiral story. It does not go in hand with the subterran dwellers being driven there by another race. If they were driven there then this entry/exit should be easily located. It would not be like the admiral described.
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the Admiral story have no basis what so ever, it is just a conspiracy theory of the Operation Highjump conducted by US Navy in 1947, other have said it was to destroy a Nazi secret base in the Antarctic. doh.gif

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In the early 19th century, an eccentric veteran of the war of 1812, John Symmes (d. 1829), promoted the idea of interior concentric spheres so widely that the alleged opening to the inner world was named "Symmes Hole."* In Hamilton, Ohio, his son erected a monument with a stone model of the hollow earth to commemorate his dad's incessant lobbying for an expedition to the North Pole to find the entrance to the world below. Martin Gardner writes that "It took Byrd's flight over the North Pole to deal a death blow to 'Symmes' hole' "(Gardner 1957: 41). However, later advocates hail Admiral Byrd as having actually gone into the hollow earth at both poles! This strange belief seems to be based on nothing more than the fact that Byrd referred to Antarctica as "The Land of Everlasting Mystery" and once wrote: "I'd like to see that land beyond the (North) Pole. That area beyond the Pole is the Center of the Great Unknown." Such evidence apparently suffices for the alternative scientist.



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"at 12KM the temperature is already 180C, at the 800 miles down, the "tropical forest" would be several thousand degree.

the picure you show on the first page show several hole that access the inner earth one is from giza, how does the people go through the 800 miles crust without being roasted alive? "

Yes i would agree with you BUT .. refer to the quartz cave ..

"These are images from the Cave of Swords, and the Queen's Eye Cavern, which is alot cooler, thus workers are out of suit in these images." - http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread592042/pg1

This one shows a man without the cool suit. So if a tunnle going down is not as 2D it should be 3D. Could be turning right and left and up and down. Even lava has its own path to go, just like a river going to the sea. If you see about common cave explorer going in to a deep cave.. it is not that hot as you thought it would be. They say its about 25 Degree, and the depth of it is DEEEeeeeepppp. See the deepest cave. Then why are they not roasted anyway?

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The 3,100ft underground shaft near the village of Tian Xing in China where climbers spent two months exploring for four to five days at a time.





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Just a bunch of pseudo science again, as it just doesnt make sense at all.

If the earth is hollow, wont it collapse or deform when it's turning? 800 miles hull isnt enough to resist the forces in earth. Besides, where would be the heat source for lava of if the centre of the earth is hollow? The inner sun wont be able to give out as much heat as it needs to keep the lava boiling hot, while there are forest supposedly exist in it.

Great reading as a break from my research, but not something i'll believe in.
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@robertngo
"at 12KM the temperature is already 180C, at the 800 miles down, the "tropical forest" would be several thousand degree.

the picure you show on the first page show several hole that access the inner earth one is from giza, how does the people go through the 800 miles crust without being roasted alive? "

Yes i would agree with you BUT .. refer to the quartz cave ..

"These are images from the Cave of Swords, and the Queen's Eye Cavern, which is alot cooler, thus workers are out of suit in these images." - http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread592042/pg1

This one shows a man without the cool suit. So if a tunnle going down is not as 2D it should be 3D. Could be turning right and left and up and down. Even lava has its own path to go, just like a river going to the sea. If you see about common cave explorer going in to a deep cave.. it is not that hot as you thought it would be. They say its about 25 Degree, and the depth of it is DEEEeeeeepppp. See the deepest cave. Then why are they not roasted anyway?

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The 3,100ft underground shaft near the village of Tian Xing in China where climbers spent two months exploring for four to five days at a time.
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the crystal cave is only 300 meters deep and the people that go in the chamber would be dead without the suit and mask.

the deepest mine in the world, tautona are 3.9 km deep have temperature of 60C, this is only just a few km from the crust and the deeper mine and hole go the hotter it get, so at 800 miles it extremely hot, no way can people go down there without very special equipment that not available today



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Someone called me? tongue.gif

Anyway, most of TS source come from single author, Jan Lamprecht. He seems quite famous for hollow earth theory. Most of his work cross-reference to researchers and scientists from mid 1900s. Science begin to bloom from early to mid 1900s, and a lot of theory come out then. And half of it got ditched by 21st centuries. Stuff like ice on moon, ether, and many more speculation on space before we launched the first manned space shuttle.

Haven't read it all, but I love the theory. Inner earth with inner sun.
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There are just too many twists and bends you need to make to current science, too many assumptions you need to take and on top of it, there is no evidence to show the hole exists. There are just wild speculations, what-ifs and pseudo science. I read this hollow earth theory like 10 years ago in another forum and thought that I would never see it again, but what a surprise.

Here is another such theory, maybe you should take a look at it as well.

Here is a description of Hanns Hoerbiger's Cosmic Ice Theory,

This is the story of a remarkable cosmology concocted by an Austrian
mining engineer, Hanns Hoerbiger. Hoerbiger was not only a mining
engineer, he was an amateur astronomer. Often, he would use a small
telescope to look at assorted celestial bodies, especially the Moon.
According to his account, early in this century, as he was looking at
the Moon, he was struck by the apparent brightness of its surface. He
had his first "recognition," that what he was seeing was ice, piled up
in blocks, producing the brightness and roughness he saw. Some nights
later, he had a dream and his second "recognition." He dreamt that he
was suspended in space, watching the swinging of a silvery pendulum,
which grew longer and longer until it broke. "I knew that Newton was
wrong and that the force of gravity stops at three times the distance
to Neptune," he concluded. This was the starting point for his Cosmic
Ice Theory.


This theory he worked out, in collaboration with a schoolteacher named
Philipp Fauth, in a giant book called {\it Glazial-Kosmogonie}. Here
is what it said: Once upon a time, there was a supergiant star in the
direction of the constellation Columba. A smaller star, dead,
water-soaked to the core, fell into it. It was heated up, vaporizing
the water, and causing a great explosion. The fragments of this
smaller star were spewed out of the supergiant into interstellar
space. The water condensed out into ice, forming giant ice blocks. A
ring of this ice formed, as well as a small number of solar systems.
This ring is known to us all as the Milky Way. Among the solar systems
that formed was our own, with many more planets than exist today.

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Wow, what a great imagination theory. thumbup.gif

Halfway through the hollow earth article. Quite believable, and the original writer actually did his homework. It really challenge some facts, but to divert our attention.

How would a cluster of heavy metal rock suspend in the air? Cold fusion is highly unstable, does not emit visible light, radiates sub-atomic wave. In addition, the inner earth is shielded by good deal of earth, hence provide inner earth with great deal of blanket with no room for heat rejection. Outer earth has volcano, with high temperature liquid lava. There is no way for inner earth to reject the excessive heat.

How about cloud formation? Outer earth temperature decrease as it goes higher. Inner earth temperature will definitely rise as it goes higher, cause closer to inner sun.


QUOTE(SpikeMarlene @ Sep 14 2010, 07:47 PM)
There are just too many twists and bends you need to make to current science, too many assumptions you need to take and on top of it, there is no evidence to show the hole exists. There are just wild speculations, what-ifs and pseudo science. I read this hollow earth theory like 10 years ago in another forum and thought that I would never see it again, but what a surprise.

Here is another such theory, maybe you should take a look at it as well.

Here is a description of Hanns Hoerbiger's Cosmic Ice Theory,

This is the story of a remarkable cosmology concocted by an Austrian
mining engineer, Hanns Hoerbiger. Hoerbiger was not only a mining
engineer, he was an amateur astronomer. Often, he would use a small
telescope to look at assorted celestial bodies, especially the Moon.
According to his account, early in this century, as he was looking at
the Moon, he was struck by the apparent brightness of its surface. He
had his first "recognition," that what he was seeing was ice, piled up
in blocks, producing the brightness and roughness he saw. Some nights
later, he had a dream and his second "recognition." He dreamt that he
was suspended in space, watching the swinging of a silvery pendulum,
which grew longer and longer until it broke. "I knew that Newton was
wrong and that the force of gravity stops at three times the distance
to Neptune," he concluded. This was the starting point for his Cosmic
Ice Theory.
This theory he worked out, in collaboration with a schoolteacher named
Philipp Fauth, in a giant book called {\it Glazial-Kosmogonie}. Here
is what it said: Once upon a time, there was a supergiant star in the
direction of the constellation Columba. A smaller star, dead,
water-soaked to the core, fell into it. It was heated up, vaporizing
the water, and causing a great explosion. The fragments of this
smaller star were spewed out of the supergiant into interstellar
space. The water condensed out into ice, forming giant ice blocks. A
ring of this ice formed, as well as a small number of solar systems.
This ring is known to us all as the Milky Way. Among the solar systems
that formed was our own, with many more planets than exist today.
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Its stable by even force of gravity pulling. Then somehow got some mechanism make it float.
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Wow, what a great imagination theory. thumbup.gif

Halfway through the hollow earth article. Quite believable, and the original writer actually did his homework. It really challenge some facts, but to divert our attention.

How would a cluster of heavy metal rock suspend in the air? Cold fusion is highly unstable, does not emit visible light, radiates sub-atomic wave. In addition, the inner earth is shielded by good deal of earth, hence provide inner earth with great deal of blanket with no room for heat rejection. Outer earth has volcano, with high temperature liquid lava. There is no way for inner earth to reject the excessive heat.

How about cloud formation? Outer earth temperature decrease as it goes higher. Inner earth temperature will definitely rise as it goes higher, cause closer to inner sun.
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In nature best coolent is water and air .. And in caves there always water flowing with a slight breeze going through a duck or hole or passage way. As you can see in all the picture of caves. But as the case of hollow earth, the hole at the north and south could serve as cooling vents as both pole is very cold. As you know when hot air rush out, cold air goes in.
As we breath, cold air in and we puff out, hot air comes out. biggrin.gif

Read this about cave air system..

Air Flow in the Caves

Are the caves so cool because there are air conditioners inside them? There are a large number of visitors every year who ask that question. It surprises them that during a hot summer day the caves are a comfortable 17 degrees Celsius. During a cold winter day the surprise is that the caves are so much warmer than outside, a cozy 17 degrees Celsius. The caves stay close to the same temperature all the year round. The reason is that the surrounding rock is quite massive and an enormous amount of heat is needed to change its temperature. As air flows through a cave it comes in contact with the wall and, depending on the time of year, either warms or cools and hence ends up an even 17 degrees Celsius. Most caves exhibit the same phenomena although the temperature that they stabilise at will vary depending on what the average temperature is of the area they are in.

Understanding about the stable air temperature in the caves helps to understand why there is always fresh air despite large numbers of visitors passing through the caves. As visitors pass through they exhale carbon dioxide. If there was no air flow the carbon dioxide would collect in the cave and eventually it would become stifling. It would also start to corrode the formations. Fortunately we are helped by the fact the hot air rises.

During the winter months the air inside the caves is warmer than that outside. The air flows up and out of the cave. Since there are several entrances to the caves, the air flows out of the higher entrances and sucks cold air in through the lower entrances. The cold air that is drawn in is then warmed up, flows through the cave collecting the carbon dioxide and replacing it with oxygen. Eventually the air floats up and out through an upper entrance. The cycle continues, replacing the stale air.

During the summer months the opposite happens. During these months the air inside the caves is cooler than outside and hence it sinks and flows out a lower entrance. This draws in warm air through an upper entrance and hence another air cycle is created. Since it is very rare that the temperature outside will be exactly the same as that inside the caves, there will almost always be an air flow occurring to flush the caves of stale air.

Other atmospheric conditions will also contribute to air flow. Changing air pressure is a significant factor, especially where the cave only has one entrance. Think of a cave as being like a big plastic bottle. If you blow into a bottle the air inside will compress and assume the same pressure as that outside, i.e.. inside your mouth. As soon as you take the bottle away from your mouth, the pressure outside the bottle drops and a small rush of air occurs coming out of the bottle. Returning to the cave, air pressure is always changing. If the air pressure outside the cave increases, it forces more air into the cave. As the air pressure drops, the air that is stored inside the cave starts to rush back to the surface, causing a breeze.

Breezes are one way in which cave explorers find new caves. As they crawl around inside a cave they try and sense gentle breezes. Sometimes they will light a candle to see if the flame flickers in a breeze which is too faint to feel. If they find a breeze it often means there is a passage nearby that connects to other passages that are large enough to contain lots of air that responds to changes in air pressure.

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wonder if oxgen will be enuff in the earth below us?
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Its stable by even force of gravity pulling. Then somehow got some mechanism make it float.
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There was a collision with comet like millions of years of ago. How did the inner sun survive the big impact and vibration? The bombing during World War 2, multiple nuclear test, no impact? Moon phase affects our sea level. The gravity from moon phase would have impact inner sun, no?

Anyway, outer earth managed our earthly climate for past thousand of years with the transition of north/south monsoon wind. If there is a hole (or many holes), it would appear in meteorology study with unexplainable phenomena. The two holes at North and South pole would play much larger role in climate change rather than aurora phenomena. Our climate would be much stable with these holes to help equalize our weather.


Added on September 14, 2010, 10:08 pmThis doesn't explain the heat generated from inner sun. There is no heat source in cave. There are also cave water than helps to cool the temperature down there. In mines cave, with only human body heat, the temperature would rise. Miners would use induced ventilation (using fan) to withdraw the hot air and draw cool air into these caves.

QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 14 2010, 09:43 PM)
In nature best coolent is water and air .. And in caves there always water flowing with a slight breeze going through a duck or hole or passage way. As you can see in all the picture of caves. But as the case of hollow earth, the hole at the north and south could serve as cooling vents as both pole is very cold. As you know when hot air rush out, cold air goes in.
As we breath, cold air in and we puff out, hot air comes out.  biggrin.gif

Read this about cave air system..

Air Flow in the Caves

Are the caves so cool because there are air conditioners inside them? There are a large number of visitors every year who ask that question. It surprises them that during a hot summer day the caves are a comfortable 17 degrees Celsius. During a cold winter day the surprise is that the caves are so much warmer than outside, a cozy 17 degrees Celsius. The caves stay close to the same temperature all the year round. The reason is that the surrounding rock is quite massive and an enormous amount of heat is needed to change its temperature. As air flows through a cave it comes in contact with the wall and, depending on the time of year, either warms or cools and hence ends up an even 17 degrees Celsius. Most caves exhibit the same phenomena although the temperature that they stabilise at will vary depending on what the average temperature is of the area they are in.

Understanding about the stable air temperature in the caves helps to understand why there is always fresh air despite large numbers of visitors passing through the caves. As visitors pass through they exhale carbon dioxide. If there was no air flow the carbon dioxide would collect in the cave and eventually it would become stifling. It would also start to corrode the formations. Fortunately we are helped by the fact the hot air rises.

During the winter months the air inside the caves is warmer than that outside. The air flows up and out of the cave. Since there are several entrances to the caves, the air flows out of the higher entrances and sucks cold air in through the lower entrances. The cold air that is drawn in is then warmed up, flows through the cave collecting the carbon dioxide and replacing it with oxygen. Eventually the air floats up and out through an upper entrance. The cycle continues, replacing the stale air.

During the summer months the opposite happens. During these months the air inside the caves is cooler than outside and hence it sinks and flows out a lower entrance. This draws in warm air through an upper entrance and hence another air cycle is created. Since it is very rare that the temperature outside will be exactly the same as that inside the caves, there will almost always be an air flow occurring to flush the caves of stale air.

Other atmospheric conditions will also contribute to air flow. Changing air pressure is a significant factor, especially where the cave only has one entrance. Think of a cave as being like a big plastic bottle. If you blow into a bottle the air inside will compress and assume the same pressure as that outside, i.e.. inside your mouth. As soon as you take the bottle away from your mouth, the pressure outside the bottle drops and a small rush of air occurs coming out of the bottle. Returning to the cave, air pressure is always changing. If the air pressure outside the cave increases, it forces more air into the cave. As the air pressure drops, the air that is stored inside the cave starts to rush back to the surface, causing a breeze.

Breezes are one way in which cave explorers find new caves. As they crawl around inside a cave they try and sense gentle breezes. Sometimes they will light a candle to see if the flame flickers in a breeze which is too faint to feel. If they find a breeze it often means there is a passage nearby that connects to other passages that are large enough to contain lots of air that responds to changes in air pressure.
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wonder if oxgen will be enuff in the earth below us?
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Not enough? well if they measure our atmosphere vs the interior atmosphere, it should be the same but interior should have a lot cause no atmosphere limit.
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QUOTE(Aurora @ Sep 14 2010, 09:58 PM)
This doesn't explain the heat generated from inner sun. There is no heat source in cave. There are also cave water than helps to cool the temperature down there. In mines cave, with only human body heat, the temperature would rise. Miners would use induced ventilation (using fan) to withdraw the hot air and draw cool air into these caves.
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in mines the rock do get hotter when you go deeper, in deepest mine that are 3.9 km down rock are 60C, they need aircon for the worker to work there safely. and the crystal cave that ScrewBallX posted, you will die in ten minutes walking in there without proper equipment. the cave are only 300m down but is on top of a magma chamber so the water got heated that is how the crystal are formed in mineral rich water with high temperature
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How would a hollow earth with an inner sun formed in the first place? What is the critical mass before a lump of matter becomes a shining sun? How would an inner sun this small maintain equilibrium in the center as the earth rotates wobbly on it's own axis and around the sun in an elliptical orbit while the moon is pulling? Why water falling in the openings to the hollow earth not pull towards the center of gravity where the inner sun is? How would a weather system form since the inner sun is always shinning at presumably constant temperature?
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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 14 2010, 10:10 PM)
Not enough? well if they measure our atmosphere vs the interior atmosphere, it should be the same but interior should have a lot cause no atmosphere limit.
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dot this have major effect on our weather pattern since the air volume inside the hollow earth is so big, and why the two opening did not melt all the ice on both pole, since the sun is always shining inside the heat coming out of the hole will be constant all the time.
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QUOTE(robertngo @ Sep 15 2010, 12:18 AM)
dot this have major effect on our weather pattern since the air volume inside the hollow earth is so big, and why the two opening did not melt all the ice on both pole, since the sun is always shining inside the heat coming out of the hole will be constant all the time.
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The heat coming out from the inner earth maybe constant, but the surface temperature at North and South pole are not. At some point, ice will melt. How would you explain that?

The bigger the volume, the climate different is even more extreme. Any space that is big enough, would allow pressure and temperature change locally without affecting other region. This effect will propogate, and when the climate build-up become too large, it would start affecting neighbouring climate. The result is massive climate change. Take Jupiter atmosphrere for example.

Cloud formation within inner earth is also impossible, as temperature is higher in upper atmosphere (nearer to inner sun). The water moisture in air will purge through the holes. Inner earth would not be able to sustain water. How long would inner earth survive?
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QUOTE(robertngo @ Sep 14 2010, 10:32 PM)
in mines the rock do get hotter when you go deeper, in deepest mine that are 3.9 km down rock are 60C, they need aircon for the worker to work there safely. and the crystal cave that ScrewBallX posted, you will die in ten minutes walking in there without proper equipment. the cave are only 300m down but is on top of a magma chamber so the water got heated that is how the crystal are formed in mineral rich water with high temperature
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But also there other factor generating heat. "A natural source of ionizing radiation is radon, a radioactive material found underground." - Howstuffworks
Even uranium or other radioactive material is mined from below. So what if part of the heat came from radiation source?
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QUOTE(Aurora @ Sep 15 2010, 01:18 AM)
The heat coming out from the inner earth maybe constant, but the surface temperature at North and South pole are not. At some point, ice will melt. How would you explain that?

The bigger the volume, the climate different is even more extreme. Any space that is big enough, would allow pressure and temperature change locally without affecting other region. This effect will propogate, and when the climate build-up become too large, it would start affecting neighbouring climate. The result is massive climate change. Take Jupiter atmosphrere for example.

Cloud formation within inner earth is also impossible, as temperature is higher in upper atmosphere (nearer to inner sun). The water moisture in air will purge through the holes. Inner earth would not be able to sustain water. How long would inner earth survive?
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In order to find out about the inner sun or effect by theory. We should look into Olaf Jensen story.. he did make a journal of this. Heres the link..

http://www.ourhollowearth.com/SGContents.htm


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Yes, its phake and phail. Simple as that to you. Dont worry, they are others like you who like a simple "see it to believed it type".

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QUOTE(Aurora @ Sep 15 2010, 01:18 AM)
The heat coming out from the inner earth maybe constant, but the surface temperature at North and South pole are not. At some point, ice will melt. How would you explain that?

The bigger the volume, the climate different is even more extreme. Any space that is big enough, would allow pressure and temperature change locally without affecting other region. This effect will propogate, and when the climate build-up become too large, it would start affecting neighbouring climate. The result is massive climate change. Take Jupiter atmosphrere for example.

Cloud formation within inner earth is also impossible, as temperature is higher in upper atmosphere (nearer to inner sun). The water moisture in air will purge through the holes. Inner earth would not be able to sustain water. How long would inner earth survive?
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that is my point the there will be a huge affect on earth weather system if they are hollow inner earth with an 24/7 sun, it will affect current of the sea and temperature at the pole.
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well... this was wat happen when Eratosthenes said the earth is round..

i m not helping anyone.. just that dun close ur mind with wat they feed u in school... even if u dun agree, just treat it as a movie, same as wat u pay to watch resident evil, transformers etc etc.. why u dun say they failed ?

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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 15 2010, 08:03 AM)
In order to find out about the inner sun or effect by theory. We should look into Olaf Jensen story..  he did make a journal of this. Heres the link..
why would anyone take this journal seriously, he did not take something back from the other side like rock sample, plant sample, animal sample, bones of the giant or scientific measurement of the inner sun.

personal testimonial is the lowest form of evidence in science.
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QUOTE(ciohbu @ Sep 15 2010, 09:31 AM)
well... this was wat happen when Eratosthenes said the earth is round..

i m not helping anyone.. just that dun close ur mind with wat they feed u in school... even if u dun agree, just treat it as a movie, same as wat u pay to watch resident evil, transformers etc etc.. why u dun say they failed ?

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Assuming that this internal sun is running on regular fusion that's used by the sun, we'll have a ball consisting mostly hydrogen at a very high temperature surrounded by an atmosphere that contains oxygen. Last that I've heard, a hydrogen and oxygen mixture is very flammable and a fusion reaction is more than enough to spark an ignition. The resulting fireball will consume all available oxygen molecules. Any oxygen breathing organism would be dead in such an environment due to lack of breathable oxygen. The same goes for any combustion based machinery like airplanes as well.
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QUOTE(robertngo @ Sep 15 2010, 09:45 AM)
why would anyone take this journal seriously, he did not take something back from the other side like rock sample, plant sample, animal sample, bones of the giant or scientific measurement of the inner sun.

personal testimonial is the lowest form of evidence in science.
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I would say ..

1.) he didnt even know he would go to the inner earth. ( unplan trips )
2.) He is not a science person, hes a fisherman.. You know our folklore about creatures in the sea. They saw it , they tell it. Expect them to take sample while in their mind is full of fear? i doubt it.
3.) If you crash a ship in the icey cold water. Would you look for your bag of proof? Either your story lives or it dont.
4.) Weird part is, he mention "communicate by air", in those days there is no such thing as radiowave until 1878. His story is at 1829.


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Assuming that this internal sun is running on regular fusion that's used by the sun, we'll have a ball consisting mostly hydrogen at a very high temperature surrounded by an atmosphere that contains oxygen. Last that I've heard, a hydrogen and oxygen mixture is very flammable and a fusion reaction is more than enough to spark an ignition. The resulting fireball will consume all available oxygen molecules.  Any oxygen breathing organism would be dead in such an environment due to lack of breathable oxygen. The same goes for any combustion based machinery like airplanes as well.
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Question would be ..

1. How much hydrogen and oxygen to make an explosion?
2. "The resulting fireball will consume all available oxygen molecules". If you look at the Sun, its still burning .. Without Oxygen.
3. What if .. like earth, there is an ozone layer on the inner sun. Earth have magnetic poles and ozone layer. What if.. ozone in the inner world are much higher?

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well... this was wat happen when Eratosthenes said the earth is round..

i m not helping anyone.. just that dun close ur mind with wat they feed u in school... even if u dun agree, just treat it as a movie, same as wat u pay to watch resident evil, transformers etc etc.. why u dun say they failed ?

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Im not believing everything they taught in school, as science is a contemporary knowledge that changes with time.

Still, i wont believe in all these pseudo science nonsense.The problem is, all these pseudo science are mostly written by 1 or a group of people, without any plausible scientific evidence and tied with heaps and heaps of fairy tales. There is no convincing evidence in this Hollow Earth Theory at all.

Same goes with all those end of the world and so on nonsense.
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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 15 2010, 10:19 AM)
I would say ..

1.) he didnt even know he would go to the inner earth. ( unplan trips )
2.) He is not a science person, hes a fisherman.. You know our folklore about creatures in the sea. They saw it , they tell it. Expect them to take sample while in their mind is full of fear? i doubt it.
3.) If you crash a ship in the icey cold water. Would you look for your bag of proof? Either your story lives or it dont.
4.) Weird part is, he mention "communicate by air", in those days there is no such thing as radiowave until 1878. His story is at 1829.
he could have taken something, anything at all it would be able to prove he have gone to another world, because it will be different from anything from this world. all those UFO story or lost world of atlantic, all they need to do is just grab a single object from the alien space ship of the lost city and they could have make a much much stronger case.


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Question would be ..

1. How much hydrogen and oxygen to make an explosion?
2. "The resulting fireball will consume all available oxygen molecules". If you look at the Sun, its still burning .. Without Oxygen.
3. What if .. like earth, there is an ozone layer on the inner sun. Earth have magnetic poles and ozone layer. What if.. ozone in the inner world are much higher?
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you do know that the sun in out solar system are burning in a vacuum, while this inner are suppose to burn within a atmosphere.

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WHat we know is from the surface of the earth and all that we have come across. Could this hollow earth be something we cannot explain yet until we encounter it? Just like neytiri in Avatar.

Maybe the people living in hollow earth do not live like us. They could depend on some kind of machine or their genetic code mutated for them to adapt there.
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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 15 2010, 10:19 AM)

Added on September 15, 2010, 10:28 am

Question would be ..

1. How much hydrogen and oxygen to make an explosion?
2. "The resulting fireball will consume all available oxygen molecules". If you look at the Sun, its still burning .. Without Oxygen.
3. What if .. like earth, there is an ozone layer on the inner sun. Earth have magnetic poles and ozone layer. What if.. ozone in the inner world are much higher?
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Answers:
1. Based on this information on hydrogen, a hydrogen fire can start at 4% of the total mixture. Based on this information about the sun, it is close to 75% hydrogen by mass. Plenty of hydrogen to go around for a continuous fire.

2.A normal fire burn in a process called combustion to release energy. The sun doesn't really burn, it under goes a process called nuclear fusion to release energy. One is a chemical reaction,the other a nuclear reaction.

3.What does ozone have to do with all this? Ozone isn't used in respiration. It is even harmful when it comes in direct contact with living creatures. Ozone doesn't have anything to do with magnetic fields, it is created in a reaction between oxygen gas and ultraviolet light. Ozone is also flammable so it doesn't protect against combustion.
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QUOTE(fifi85 @ Sep 15 2010, 10:55 AM)
WHat we know is from the surface of the earth and all that we have come across. Could this hollow earth be something we cannot explain yet until we encounter it? Just like neytiri in Avatar.

Maybe the people living in hollow earth do not live like us. They could depend on some kind of machine or their genetic code mutated for them to adapt there.
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The problem with this theory is that none of the visitors from the surface would have survived their visit since they are not prepared for this environment in the first place.
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QUOTE(fifi85 @ Sep 15 2010, 10:55 AM)
WHat we know is from the surface of the earth and all that we have come across. Could this hollow earth be something we cannot explain yet until we encounter it? Just like neytiri in Avatar.

Maybe the people living in hollow earth do not live like us. They could depend on some kind of machine or their genetic code mutated for them to adapt there.
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And still they keep making new discoverys under the deep sea... the deeper they go, new fishes can be found.

They have explanation regarding this.. By our records, people on those ancient days have said to live about hundred of years.
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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 15 2010, 11:01 AM)
And still they keep making new discoverys under the deep sea... the deeper they go, new fishes can be found.

They have explanation regarding this.. By our records, people on those ancient days have said to live about hundred of years.
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We're talking about humans here, they don't spontaneously mutate features to survive a different environment instantaneously. Drop a person in those environment, he'll be more or less dead immediately. Just because a species can live in a hostile environment, doesn't mean that you can.

While this already out of topic, do you have links to these so called records about people living for hundreds of years?
This says otherwise.
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Yes. Using the theory of evolution, the citizens of Atlantis evolved into mermans because their city sunk. Its like one of the hollow earth theory about atlantis.

Maybe bermuda triangle as well. Where people mysteriously disappear. It could be the gateway to the hollow earth
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Talking about the admiral again (since I have not read that much yet). He said, he could not describe the leader as he was not like anything seen on earth. He did not say the same about the two being who escorted him to the leader. So there is only one being that is one of a kind. The rest are the same.

The leader is also talking rubbish. He had chosen the admiral for the task. The leader is not that well verse with our human behaviour although he did he claimed that he had been watching us humans. Why did he choose an admiral who will be treted as a nut case? He did mentioned to the admiral that the leaders of earth had not heed their warnings yet what makes him think that an admiral could be more convincing?

I reject the admiral's records as there are too many inconsistency.
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So you're saying the admiral either gone crazy or is an attention whore?
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Yes. Using the theory of evolution, the citizens of Atlantis evolved into mermans because their city sunk. Its like one of the hollow earth theory about atlantis.

Maybe bermuda triangle as well. Where people mysteriously disappear. It could be the gateway to the hollow earth
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they will be dead long before they evolve to mermaid.


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So you're saying the admiral either gone crazy or is an attention whore?
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the admiral are not crazy or attention whore, it is just the story are completely made up by someone else.


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are the crust make up of rubber? why wont the impact just punch a hole in the crust or destroying it?

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Actually, I thought the admiral was on LSD smile.gif It was common during their time. If it was today, he will be on ice.

What is the purpose of someone making up the story, Robert? Why must they make it up on the admiral's behalf. They could use anyone else.
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QUOTE(Eventless @ Sep 15 2010, 11:17 AM)
We're talking about humans here, they don't spontaneously mutate features to survive a different environment instantaneously. Drop a person in those environment, he'll be more or less dead immediately. Just because a species can live in a hostile environment, doesn't mean that you can.

While this already out of topic, do you have links to these so called records about people living for hundreds of years?
This says otherwise.
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Wiki - "Life expectancy is the expected (in the statistical sense)". Sound like a theory. But my Great grandmother is 105 years old.. where would that put her?
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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 15 2010, 12:18 PM)
Wiki - "Life expectancy is the expected (in the statistical sense)". Sound like a theory. But my Great grandmother is 105 years old.. where would that put her?
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There's a section on centenarian on the page that I've shown. They are not an impossibility. People living hundreds(200+) of years on the other hand are undocumented. You specifically said hundreds of years.

After rereading your post, did you mean to say they are a lot of people living to hundreds of years or living to pass a hundred in the past? If you were referring to people living to around a hundred, they've always been around. Based on the link I gave in that post, there's even more people living to pass a hundred these days compared to the past. It doesn't prove anything.

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QUOTE(faceless @ Sep 15 2010, 12:17 PM)
Actually, I thought the admiral was on LSD smile.gif It was common during their time. If it was today, he will be on ice.

What is the purpose of someone making up the story, Robert? Why must they make it up on the admiral's behalf. They could use anyone else.
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admiral byrd is involve in an expedition to the antartic, operation highjump in 1947, which where the conspiracy theory like to add story of nazi base and UFO and hallow earth to.
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QUOTE(robertngo @ Sep 15 2010, 12:07 PM)
they will be dead long before they evolve to mermaid.


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the admiral are not crazy or attention whore, it is just the story are completely made up by someone else.


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are the crust make up of rubber? why wont the impact just punch a hole in the crust or destroying it?

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If crust made of rubber it would bounce the meteor back to outer space
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Hollow your head. You watch too many fantasy movie. Need go learn std5 science then you will know the layers of the earth.
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QUOTE(robertngo @ Sep 15 2010, 12:07 PM)

are the crust make up of rubber? why wont the impact just punch a hole in the crust or destroying it?

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It doesnt make any sense fort hat to happen, as if the crust is thin, the impact of the meteor would have puncture a hole on the planet. Have anyone seen a planet with a hole?

From geotechnical point of view, the reason that the large crater is flat in the centre is there are hard solid rocks below the ground that could resist the impact, but do not break easily. They are probably cracked or something. These rocks are still intact because they are buried deep in the ground where natural weathering from wind, wateror so on could not break them to smaller chunks.

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QUOTE(fifi85 @ Sep 15 2010, 12:36 PM)
If crust made of rubber it would bounce the meteor back to outer space
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If it were to hit, surely it would be smash into little pieces. Ground earth take the vibration away like pillow and gravity maintain its (meteor) weight.
Not unless the meteor is a big rubber ball.. biggrin.gif


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There's a section on centenarian on the page that I've shown. They are not an impossibility. People living hundreds(200+) of years on the other hand are undocumented. You specifically said hundreds of years.

After rereading your post, did you mean to say they are a lot of people living to hundreds of years or living to pass a hundred in the past? If you were referring to people living to around a hundred, they've always been around. Based on the link I gave in that post, there's even more people living to pass a hundred these days compared to the past. It doesn't prove anything.
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Statisticly taken is most commonly life expected in our time. We all know there are some people living above hundred nowadays but in the past it could be longer than that, no one is there to document how long they can live, its not like us today.
And i do say "Hundred of years" not "HundredS of years".


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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 15 2010, 01:56 PM)
Statisticly taken is most commonly life expected in our time. We all know there are some people living above hundred nowadays but in the past it could be longer than that, no one is there to document how long they can live, its not like us today. 
And i do say "Hundred of years" not "HundredS of years".
In another word, there's nothing to back up your statement where you mentioned about records of people living longer in the past.

It wasn't specified clearly in that post but what does people living longer in the past prove?
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Is there ppl actually living 200 yrs old? Not a chance in this world
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Is there ppl actually living 200 yrs old? Not a chance in this world
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no impossible, but extremely unlikely especially with the living condition of ancient time, no modern medical treatment, danger from wild animal, back breaking manual labour and etc.

even today with all the advancement in living condition and medical knowledge we not yet recorded a person that live to 130 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldest_people

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In Past time era, there is no pollution so the body is much heathy. What-not chemical in the air, water and ground is obselete.
Today however, chemicals are everywhere.. in food, water, air and ground. Turn your water tap you get clorinated water. Go outside you get air pollution. Body is trying to resist to all these unnessasary stuff. So our lifespan fall short.


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HOLLOW PLANET HISTORY


Sir Edmund Halley (1656-1742, Halley’s Comet) – Halley’s most controversial theory originated from his study of magnetism. Halley realized that the magnetic poles were constantly moving. He believed this could be explained by having two fixed magnetic poles (north and south) in the crust of a hollow earth, and two more inside which were moving. He envisaged hollow spheres, one inside the other, rotating at slightly different speeds. One of these inner shells would contain the other set of magnetic poles. If that shell rotated slightly slower than the outermost shell, then that might account for the apparent motion of two of the magnetic poles while the other two stood still.



Halley speculated on whether there might be life inside these shells. Since God had created “animate beings” which inhabited every part of the Earth as we know it, why should He not therefore have also caused the interior of these shells to be habited? He suggested that the atmosphere might be luminous, or the inner sides of the spheres might emit light, or there might even be small Suns inside the Earth which he referred to as: “peculiar Luminaries below, of which we have no sort of Idea.” Many of the core features of the Hollow Earth theory were born out of Halley’s speculations.

Could there be any logical reason for thinking that a planet might be hollow? The only possibility which comes to mind is that a spinning sphere might become hollow naturally. This was originally suggested to me by John Flora, who joined my Internet list. His argument is as follows: Scientists believe stars and planets formed from huge clouds of dust in space. Gravity caused them to condense. Then they started spinning and eventually became spheres. If this is the case then, like an ice skater, these stars and planets would have spun ever faster as they contracted. This would be dictated by the law of conservation of angular momentum. However, the solar system tells a different story.



It is not the smallest planets which spin the fastest, but the largest ones. The Earth rotates om 24 hours, and many of the planets smaller than it rotate even slower. Jupiter, the largest planet, which has a diameter more than ten times that of the Earth spins about its axis in a mere 10 hours. This is not what one would expect from condensed, solid planets. John pointed out that this is also true of the different types of stars. The larger ones spin faster than the smaller ones. He believes that it can be shown mathematically that a high rate of rotation would cause a spherical body to expand until it reaches a point of maximum inertial stability.



In an e-mail dated 15 Feb 1998, he explained in part,

“As I said earlier, the maximum moment of inertia for a rotating sphere to spin stably is that of a hollow sphere. . .”

He suggested that the planets and stars be regarded as “tornadoes in space.” He explained:

“This smaller size – slower rotation, bigger size – faster rotation relationship of planets and stars rotations is exactly what you would think if the planets and stars were created hollow however!"

Because, according to spherical shell dynamic theory, the planets and stars were created out of convection currents between warm and cool regions of space, swirling the particles into whirling, twirling tornadoes of particles. In the zero-gravity of space these tornadoes took on the shape of spheres with open poles, and the faster they were rotating, the larger they became! John’s logic also suggests that Hollow Planets must have Polar Holes of some kind. He pointed out that there was a point at which centrifugal force and gravity balance. Gravity, (as we shall see later, is zero at the centre of the Earth (or any hollow sphere). All mathematical exercises show that if one could suspend an object at the centre of the Earth, then it would be weightless. So when a forming planet rotates, the matter at its core will be flung away from the centre. Gravity however, increases as one moves away from the centre of a planet because there is more matter “below” it. So a point is reached whereupon gravity is stronger than the centrifugal force, and the expansion then stops. One thus ends up with a hollow spinning sphere.



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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 15 2010, 03:21 PM)
In Past time era, there is no pollution so the body is much heathy. What-not chemical in the air, water and ground is obselete.
Today however, chemicals are everywhere.. in food, water, air and ground. Turn your water tap you get clorinated water. Go outside you get air pollution.
True, but in the past there was no such thing as penicillin and antibiotics. Just get one scratch, and you could well be six feet under before you hit 20 years of age.
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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 15 2010, 03:21 PM)
In Past time era, there is no pollution so the body is much heathy. What-not chemical in the air, water and ground is obselete.
Today however, chemicals are everywhere.. in food, water, air and ground. Turn your water tap you get clorinated water. Go outside you get air pollution. Body is trying to resist to all these unnessasary stuff. So our lifespan fall short.
this is trying to romanticized the ancient world, there are always pollution, when human live in cave live in high level of polution from the smoke of fire due to ventilation problem. air, water and ground contaimination can happen naturally without any human activity.
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Hollow sphere are easier to spin. Just spin a baseball and compare it with a tenis ball. Just because it is easier to spin hollow spherical object does not necessary means spinning sphearical objects are hollow.

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QUOTE(robertngo @ Sep 15 2010, 03:49 PM)
this is trying to romanticized the ancient world, there are always pollution, when human live in cave live in high level of polution from the smoke of fire due to ventilation problem. air, water and ground contaimination can happen naturally without any human activity.
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Not just that. Nowadays, the typical hygiene level of the working class person is far better than most middle-age kings could ever dream of. Surgical operations allow a man with a slipped disk to function normally again. In the past, he wouldn't have lasted a day in the wild.


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Because, according to spherical shell dynamic theory, the planets and stars were created out of convection currents between warm and cool regions of space, *snip*
Interestingly enough, wikipedia states that shell theory disproves the Hollow Earth hypothesis.

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow_earth#Gravity

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The best scientific argument against that of a hollow Earth or any hollow planet is gravity. Massive objects tend to clump together gravitationally, creating non-hollow spherical objects we call stars and planets. The solid sphere is the best way in which to minimize the gravitational potential energy  of a physical object; having hollowness is unfavorable in the energetic sense. In addition, ordinary matter is not strong enough to support a hollow shape of planetary size against the force of gravity; a planet-sized hollow shell with the known, observed thickness of the Earth's crust, would not be able to achieve hydrostatic equilibrium with its own mass and would collapse.

Someone on the inside of a hollow Earth would not experience a significant outward pull and could not easily stand on the inner surface; rather, the theory of gravity implies that a person on the inside would be nearly weightless. This was first shown by Newton, whose shell theorem mathematically predicts a gravitational force (from the shell) of zero everywhere inside a spherically symmetric hollow shell of matter, regardless of the shell's thickness. A tiny gravitational force would arise from the fact that the Earth does not have a perfectly symmetrical spherical shape, as well as forces from other bodies such as the Moon. The centrifugal force from the Earth's rotation would pull a person (on the inner surface) outwards if the person was traveling at the same velocity as the Earth's interior and was in contact with the ground on the interior, but even the maximum centrifugal force at the equator is only 1/300 of ordinary Earth gravity.

The mass of the planet also indicates that the hollow Earth hypothesis is unfeasible. Should the Earth be largely hollow, its mass would be much lower and thus its gravity on the outer surface would be much lower than it is.
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The planet Venus and Mars doesn't seem to support your theory about size of planets and rotational speed. Based on this, venus' mass is about 0.815 of Earth's mass and Mar's mass is 0.107 of Earth's mass. Earth is bigger than both of these 2 planets. Mars is much smaller than Venus. A Venusian day is about 243 earth days while a Martian day is about Earth 1 days.
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How did Halley realised the magnetic poles were constantly moving. During the 1700s what device did he use to determine that? Did his realisation come form mere speculation?

The people circumnavigate the world those days. Hailey probably heard the account from sailors that compass needles goes haywire when they approach the north and south pole. Sometimes is happens earlier and other times it happens later. He forgot a minute (1/60 degrees) at the center of the earth becomes an arc 1 nautical mile in length on the surface. There must be some margin of error for something of this size.

I think that if there was another magnet of different polarity just below each other we would have serious problems since this magnet is attached to the soil of our earth. It will not be as simple as compass needles going haywire. I think I will reject Halley's speculation or realisation.

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True, but in the past there was no such thing as penicillin and antibiotics. Just get one scratch, and you could well be six feet under before you hit 20 years of age.
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What are the odds of that ? hmm.gif

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lol this theory has been long unproven and failed.
1st, if the centre of gravity is not concentrated near to the core,
and it's around the outer sphere like the one in the rubber earth crust's case,
the resultant gravitational force will way much different.

the hollow core earth will also result in different distribution of mass and density,
leading to a huge change in its moment of inertia,
and furthermore causing totally different rotation angular velocity.

a hollow planet this size?
dude planet is formed naturally through the clumping of dust and asteroids, and earth was melted during its formation,
thus a solid sphere will be formed, not hollow.
the heavy substances such as heavy metal will sink to the bottom and the lighter one emerges on the surface.
to get a hollow core earth?
there must be some highly intelligent and advance race intervening in the act of creation and hollow out the core,
and putting a sun inside.

as you must know too,
the formation of star require certain critical mass and enough density of gas, with sufficient rotational kinetic energy as they are racing around the centre, as the gases are being concentrated at the centre, temperature continue to rise and the critical temperature for nuclear fusion will be reached, fusion happens and the star shines. the burning of star sends out wave of solar flare, solar wind and etc, carrying away the dust and asteroids without enough inertia to stay in orbit.

a burning sun will not collapse into black hole because it is balanced by the pressure created by the heat of the nuclear fusion.
trying to resist the heat of a star with the earth's thin layer of crust, analogue to the skin of basketball?
not quite, it will just melt, or collapse under the strong gravity a star should have, or getting blown out by the pressure created by the sun to balance the sun's gravity.

these are just some fact, little of from the ones that support filled-core earth postulate.

ah, my second long post after my reply to the thread regarding Hawking's denial of God's intervention in the creation of universe.
read it here! http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=36264943
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QUOTE(robertngo @ Sep 15 2010, 03:49 PM)
this is trying to romanticized the ancient world, there are always pollution, when human live in cave live in high level of polution from the smoke of fire due to ventilation problem. air, water and ground contaimination can happen naturally without any human activity.
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BUT, to a point where nature can balance it out. Ecological system require to recycle bad content that was very very abudent at that time and pollution of simple basic smoke, feces and pee water.
Today its chemical A to Z type plus less the LARGE amount of forest.

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QUOTE(KeNGZ @ Sep 15 2010, 04:42 PM)
planet is formed naturally through the clumping of dust and asteroids, and earth was melted during its formation,
thus a solid sphere will be formed, not hollow.
showtopic=1559179&view=findpost&p=36264943]http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=36264943[/url]
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I think this statement is as good as the statement that the earth is hollow.

How did the dust start clumping to each other? Earth is so dusty but there are no giantic dust ball floating around.

I think we need to keep an open mind. We should not discredit hollow earth from the precpective of a widely accpeted theory. We should discredit it from looking at inconsistencies from within itself.
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QUOTE(faceless @ Sep 15 2010, 05:52 PM)
I think this statement is as good as the statement that the earth is hollow.

How did the dust start clumping to each other? Earth is so dusty but there are no giantic dust ball floating around.

I think we need to keep an open mind. We should not discredit hollow earth from the precpective of a widely accpeted theory. We should discredit it from looking at inconsistencies from within itself.
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lol u misunderstood me.
yup at the early age we regard those tiny particles as dust.
comet is a dust ball, so are the asteroids. and the sun too.
dust clumps together due to gravitational pull, as every body that has mass exert this property.
the sun's gravitational pull is highest, as it is in the centre of the solar system, where most dust will spiral towards it and concentrate.
the thing that is different with sun it that, it shines, it burns.

normal planets formed by almost the same principle,
where dust clump for form rock, rocks clump to form larger asteroids and then planets.
you might wonder why do we see rocks but not a huge and unstable dustball.
well i mentioned that the earth was melted.
melted particles of rocks and etc just mixed together and when they cooled, we see a huge chunk of rock in space, not dustball.

read up more on the theory on the formation of stars and planets yourself if you are really interested,
as the real thing is always long to be explained here.

however,
READ FROM RELIABLE AND CORRECT SOURCE,
maintained by those widely recognized,
as you know internet nowadays don't just give you information,
it gives you flawed or incorrect ones, or those deviated from the truth and mainstream.

of course, most important of all, be wise and sensible and know how to choose to read.
book is still the best of course =)
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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 15 2010, 04:46 PM)
BUT, to a point where nature can balance it out. Ecological system require to recycle bad content that was very very abudent at that time and pollution of simple basic smoke, feces and pee water.
Today its chemical A to Z type plus less the LARGE amount of forest.
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what is this point of balance, nature does not have a opinion on what is the optimum condition, many period in earth history the environment are not suitable to human and in future i may change again to be too hostile for human for live in. that may be the end of human but not the end of the earth, earth will keep moving on until maybe it was destroy by an massive asteriod or the sun become red giant and swallow the earth.

i think you have a case of Chemophobia by making assumption that chemical are bad, the fact is everything in nature are chemical, air, water, gold and all the natural incurring toxic material. this is also a case of appeal to nature where all things natural are consider good and artificial are bad, but the fact are many natural stuff can kill you, for example cocaine are a all-natural plant extract from coca plant, but would you think it is good for your body to take.
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QUOTE(robertngo @ Sep 15 2010, 06:23 PM)
what is this point of balance, nature does not have a opinion on what is the optimum condition, many period in earth history the environment are not suitable to human and in future i may change again to be too hostile for human for live in. that may be the end of human but not the end of the earth, earth will keep moving on until maybe it was destroy by an massive asteriod or the sun become red giant and swallow the earth.

i think you have a case of Chemophobia by making assumption that chemical are bad,  the fact is everything in nature are chemical, air, water, gold and all the natural incurring toxic material. this is also a case of appeal to nature where all things natural are consider good and artificial are bad, but the fact are many natural stuff can kill you, for example cocaine are a all-natural plant extract from coca plant, but would you think it is good for your body to take.
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yup indeed we as human are mostly egocentric.
we can see that from normal people's point of view,
their thinking often deviated and self-oriented.
seeing 'optimum condition' as the condition for human survival.
now we have changed the planet by a little,
and if human race were to be wiped out the nature will still progress on its path without even bothering about the existence of human or without us.
these things are dead, have no emotion but just follow the evolution of the condition from time to time and change accordingly due to certain reasons, by following the law of nature, that is physical laws.

people are often influenced to think that 'chemical' is something bad for us.
we are all made up of chemicals too.
it's just harder for human to have a neutral or non-oriented thinking and not being egocentric.
but proper education will change this.
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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 15 2010, 04:37 PM)
What are the odds of that ?  hmm.gif 
Common enough for the invention of antibiotics to raise the average life expectancy of humans.

QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 15 2010, 04:37 PM)
We are all still here. Since thousand and thousandsS of year, when the Dinosaurs rule the earth, the Ice Age and when the great flood.
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Of course we're still here. A reduced life expectancy only means people live shorter lives. It doesn't mean extinction.
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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 15 2010, 10:56 AM)
I laugh at your small impact craters and present to you-The Giant Impact Hypothesis. The shortened version of this theory is that the moon was formed when a Mars sized object collided with the earth. An impact that size is bound to deform or create a hole in the side of the planet if it was hollow.

Seeing as how the moon has 0.01 the mass of earth and Mars is around 0.1 the mass of earth, the earth gained mass in the violent exchange. This would have resulted in a lop sided mass distribution on the planet which destabilize your rotating hollow sphere.
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QUOTE(KeNGZ @ Sep 15 2010, 05:19 PM)
lol u misunderstood me.
yup at the early age we regard those tiny particles as dust.
comet is a dust ball, so are the asteroids. and the sun too.
dust clumps together due to gravitational pull, as every body that has mass exert this property.
the sun's gravitational pull is highest, as it is in the centre of the solar system, where most dust will spiral towards it and concentrate.
the thing that is different with sun it that, it shines, it burns.

normal planets formed by almost the same principle,
where dust clump for form rock, rocks clump to form larger asteroids and then planets.
you might wonder why do we see rocks but not a huge and unstable dustball.
well i mentioned that the earth was melted.
melted particles of rocks and etc just mixed together and when they cooled, we see a huge chunk of rock in space, not dustball.

read up more on the theory on the formation of stars and planets yourself if you are really interested,
as the real thing is always long to be explained here.

however,
READ FROM RELIABLE AND CORRECT SOURCE,
maintained by those widely recognized,
as you know internet nowadays don't just give you information,
it gives you flawed or incorrect ones, or those deviated from the truth and mainstream.

of course, most important of all, be wise and sensible and know how to choose to read.
book is still the best of course =)
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So hawking stated in his book,
there are 3 possibilities for discovering the complete unified theory:

1. There really is a complete unified theory, which we will discover someday if we are smart enough.
2. There is no ultimate theory of the universe, just infinite sequence of theories that describe the universe more and more accurately
3. There is no theory of the universe; events cannot be predicted beyond a certain extent but occur in random and arbitrary manner.

1. Now.. How random does a molten core get to be a planet? Scientices always say that planet are constently being bombarded by meteor. But only theorize the melted earth?
2. " events cannot be predicted beyond a certain extent ".. to an extent that no one have ever seen how earth was born.

"yup at the early age we regard those tiny particles as dust.
comet is a dust ball, so are the asteroids. and the sun too.
dust clumps together due to gravitational pull, as every body that has mass exert this property.
the sun's gravitational pull is highest, as it is in the centre of the solar system, where most dust will spiral towards it and concentrate."

So where is the fusion reaction to start a sun? If its from dustball, wouldnt the sun be just a big dustball?
the thing that is different with sun it that, it shines, it burns.

"dust clumps together due to gravitational pull, as every body that has mass exert this property.
the sun's gravitational pull is highest, as it is in the centre of the solar system, where most dust will spiral towards it and concentrate."

But What if.. there is a mini sun doing the same thing as the Sun would have done but clump it around is gravitational field until it form a crust around it? It would be the same as other planet that spin around collecting space dust. Because of the Big Bang Theory, shape and size of the stars or sun is unknown and at random. Same as meteorite, it could come in a small scale or a big scale or an earth size scale.

"READ FROM RELIABLE AND CORRECT SOURCE"
Where is the correct and reliable source? The Goverment? The Paid Goverment 3rd party? That would be like asking Najib about 1Malaysia Concept. doh.gif
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Astronomers observed the universe for a reason: to learn how stars and planets were formed and how it will eventually end. Evidents suggest that planet like ours were form with a core.

Ancient people is not as tough. The lack of proper sewage, easily bring about and spread disease.
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"Hawkling prefers another possibility: that there are other forms of intelligent life out there, but that we have been overlooked. If we should pick up signals from alien civilizations, Hawking warns,"we should have be wary of answering back, until we have evolved" a bit further. Meeting a more advanced civilization, at our present stage,' Hawking says "might be a bit like the original inhabitants of America meeting Columbus. I don't think they were better off for it." - Coming from Stephen Hawking

As the well reknown theorist say this and people will and must believed him.
ALIEN DO EXCIST.
Reject The Hollow earth theory and believed in Aliens, or until he acknowledge it.


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QUOTE(Eventless @ Sep 15 2010, 06:12 PM)
I laugh at your small impact craters and present to you-The Giant Impact Hypothesis. The shortened version of this theory is that the moon was formed when a Mars sized object collided with the earth. An impact that size is bound to deform or create a hole in the side of the planet if it was hollow.

Seeing as how the moon has 0.01 the mass of earth and Mars is around 0.1 the mass of earth, the earth gained mass in the violent exchange. This would have resulted in a lop sided mass distribution on the planet which destabilize your rotating hollow sphere.
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I laugh at you Giant Impact Hypothesis. Wouldnt it knock earth out of orbit?

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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 15 2010, 06:51 PM)
So hawking stated in his book,
there are 3 possibilities for discovering the complete unified theory:

1. There really is a complete unified theory, which we will discover someday if we are smart enough.
2. There is no ultimate theory of the universe, just infinite sequence of theories that describe the universe more and more accurately
3. There is no theory of the universe; events cannot be predicted beyond a certain extent but occur in random and arbitrary manner.

1. Now.. How random does a molten core get to be a planet? Scientices always say that planet are constently being bombarded by meteor. But only theorize the melted earth?
2. " events cannot be predicted beyond a certain extent ".. to an extent that no one have ever seen how earth was born. 
This does not follow. What hawking stated, as i understand it, means unification of existing laws of nature. This unification is a great thing because it brings us closer to the fundamentals of nature, it gives a better picture what reality is. So as we probe deeper into nature, some events display disturbing behavior that seems to suggest some manner of randomness or arbitrariness. It does not mean we would not know how earth is born. There are many evidences that support the current theory how earth was made. The problem you have is it does not support a hollow earth.
QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 15 2010, 06:51 PM)
"yup at the early age we regard those tiny particles as dust.
comet is a dust ball, so are the asteroids. and the sun too.
dust clumps together due to gravitational pull, as every body that has mass exert this property.
the sun's gravitational pull is highest, as it is in the centre of the solar system, where most dust will spiral towards it and concentrate."

So where is the fusion reaction to start a sun? If its from dustball, wouldnt the sun be just a big dustball? 
the thing that is different with sun it that, it shines, it burns.

"dust clumps together due to gravitational pull, as every body that has mass exert this property.
the sun's gravitational pull is highest, as it is in the centre of the solar system, where most dust will spiral towards it and concentrate."

But What if.. there is a mini sun doing the same thing as the Sun would have done but clump it around is gravitational field until it form a crust around it? It would be the same as other planet that spin around collecting space dust. Because of the Big Bang Theory, shape and size of the stars or sun is unknown and at random. Same as meteorite, it could come in a small scale or a big scale or an earth size scale. 

"READ FROM RELIABLE AND CORRECT SOURCE"
Where is the correct and reliable source? The Goverment? The Paid Goverment 3rd party? That would be like asking Najib about 1Malaysia Concept.  doh.gif
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There is a critical mass required before a lump of matter ignites into a shinning sun. Otherwise you would see saturn or jupiter shinning like a smaller sun but you don't. For the earth and other planets to rotate around the sun, that means gravitationally these planets are falling into the center of gravity all the time, but they keep missing it all the time too. So the theory of hollow earth can be resolved easily, because you need a mini sun to shine for at least millions of years, earth to rotate furiously around the mini sun that is inconsistent with it's current rotation, an escape velocity much smaller than what we know today that somewhat prevents matter from falling directly into the inner sun. So where are the calculation and evidence?

Unless of course you invoke magic or arbitrary unknown laws of nature, which then makes this theory a wild speculation wouldn't it?




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'MIGHT' is a more proper word.
we are alien, life form in this universe.

ScrewBallX, just another question,not trying to offend you,
are you educated under the main science stream?

and possibilities are often listed or provided together,
even it is less likely to happen.
this is just as s step to protect oneself and of course,
not restricting human's thinking to just one main branch.

but then for the public's concern and for human to learn,
we often take the most likely one and establish it as the basic of our knowledge.
the 3 possibilities that hawking stated, and I repeated,
the 1st one is what we are aiming and believe this is possible in the future.
the 2nd one is, to our experience so far, true.
the 3rd one is also still unknown, just like the first one.

and these are stated for the discovery of Unified Theory,
not simply to apply to anything even though the postulate has already been busted.

the power of speech, or one's way of talking/conveying message is a very powerful tool,
and it can even be used for spreading the wrong understanding of something.
that is why in ancient time people believe in witches and shaman etc.
but now, the properly educated one doesn't trust them,
it is because they have learnt the truth, which they believe in those more than the magic and mystical power. that is science.

i'm not saying the hollow earth theory is 100% wrong.
yep we still can't penetrate to the core and see what's inside.
but observations and measurements plus inductive reasoning had lead us to the conclusion that the earth is not hollow, and has been established as the model of the earth for long.

we need to accept new ideas and changes, yes, but up to certain limit.
we only accept them when we've learned that it is more correct than the previous one, and matches our logic and observation.

for now, being in the main stream,
I would say the hollow core earth postulate is very less likely to be true, or to be established as the model of the earth.

sun?
by the way do you really mean sun, a burning star in earth's core under the hollow core earth model?
or you just mean the molten core of earth?
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core of the earth can be seen as the inner sun since its hot enuff to provide heat
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QUOTE(KeNGZ @ Sep 15 2010, 07:23 PM)
sun?
by the way do you really mean sun, a burning star in earth's core under the hollow core earth model?
or you just mean the molten core of earth?
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He meant a real sun that probably have nuclear fusion happening inside earth.
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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 15 2010, 07:06 PM)
"Hawkling prefers another possibility: that there are other forms of intelligent life out there, but that we have been overlooked. If we should pick up signals from alien civilizations, Hawking warns,"we should have be wary of answering back, until we have evolved" a bit further. Meeting a more advanced civilization, at our present stage,' Hawking says "might be a bit like the original inhabitants of America meeting Columbus. I don't think they were better off for it." - Coming from Stephen Hawking

As the well reknown theorist say this and people will and must  believed him.
ALIEN DO EXCIST. 
Reject The Hollow earth theory and believed in Aliens, or until he acknowledge it.
who is saying alien do not exist, the universe is so big with so many planet, it is only reasonable to believe some of the planet have develop inteligent life form. but there is a different from believing alien exist to believing alien have already landed on earth and are making all kind of experiment on human.
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Why do aliens have to be organic and then have head, hands, legs and others? Cant alien be something we never imagined b4?
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let's open a new thread on alien?
LOL
of course it can be something out of our imagination.

and perhaps they don't have to be carbon-based.

hawking thinks that, if life can exist on earth,
why not on other planet in the universe?
cause planet earth is just another normal planet in this universe.

btw there's a mathematical formula to calculate the potential number of existence of extraterrestrial in this universe.
here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation
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the equation just a theory. We cannot calculate things we havent encounter before. Ya i already had the idea of aliens being something we never imagine b4 but the movies/alien encounter and others always suggest alien looks like humans, have head body leg and hands.
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QUOTE(fifi85 @ Sep 15 2010, 10:27 PM)
Why do aliens have to be organic and then have head, hands, legs and others? Cant alien be something we never imagined b4?
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i am wondering also why all the alien they said have come to earth are humanoid.
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This could suggest that the alien encounters are all hoax or fake because they couldnt think up of an imagination for aliens beside something like humans
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i was wondering why is there so much spam.....

just study the origin of any idea and it's progression tells us a lot.....
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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Sep 15 2010, 10:39 PM)
He meant a real sun that probably have nuclear fusion happening inside earth.
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well that would be super-less-likely to be possible.
who says stars occurs at all range of mass and at random manner?
we have such thing, known as Main Sequence of stars

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_sequence

lol this is astronomy of course.

different mass resulting in different type of stars formed.
and of course to become a star, the must be some critical mass.
although there exist some below-possible-mass-black hole,
which is tiny,
its formation which was thought impossible because of its insufficient mass,
yet its formation was due to the high pressure and temperature during the early age of the universe.
so there's reason behind this too.

to correct and answer all ScrewBallX replies here,
'Because of the Big Bang Theory, shape and size of the stars or sun is unknown and at random.'
big bang theory does not tell you so.
so stop misinterpreting science again lmao.
so not quite, please refer to the Main Sequence, something new for u to learn if you'd never heard of.

'I laugh at you Giant Impact Hypothesis. Wouldnt it knock earth out of orbit?'
????
LOL of course those scientists had shown strong evidence and through calculations they shown everything will happen so and so.
of course including the resultant earth orbit.
but are you ready for the maths? no of course. neither do we.
something that has been proven correct or pre-calculated,
there is no point of asking such simple question.
if earth would be knocked out of orbit, this theory would have been busted long ago.


'Where is the correct and reliable source? The Goverment? The Paid Goverment 3rd party? That would be like asking Najib about 1Malaysia Concept.'
???
well I see this is your problem now.
I have lots of the books, stacks of them, beside me right now.
i learnt mostly from books,
internet? well I refer partially on the net and again I will have to decide for myself where certain source are worth trusting.
and I download E books from the net.
Richard P. Feynman's lecture notes?
well those are nice ones.

internet can be made beneficial,
and the other way round too.
this depends on the user.


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QUOTE(fifi85 @ Sep 15 2010, 11:35 PM)
the equation just a theory. We cannot calculate things we havent encounter before. Ya i already had the idea of aliens being something we never imagine b4 but the movies/alien encounter and others always suggest alien looks like humans, have head body leg and hands.
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calculations and those proposed equation?
those are just calculation probabilities.
and those are based on logic and, mathematical reasoning.
yes we can speculate and calculate the probability.
calculate something we haven't encounter before?
or some thing that we can't see them?
we have been doing it well,
in quantum physics,
and in string theory (although not proven 100% correct yet)
we can't see individual electrons or protons and etc.
and we can't see those strings or extra dimensions.
yet we calculated and predicted them,
it's been a tremendous success in quantum physics.
and a popular quote by James Clerk Maxwell regarding the basis of quantum physics:
the true logic of this world is in the calculus of probabilities

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I laugh at you Giant Impact Hypothesis. Wouldnt it knock earth out of orbit?
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Based on this, most of the energy from the impact was converted to angular momentum which increased the speed which the planet was revolving instead of linear momentum which would have altered the movement of the planet through space..

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QUOTE(Eventless @ Sep 16 2010, 12:04 AM)
Based on this, most of the energy from the impact was converted to angular momentum which increased the speed which the planet was revolving instead of linear momentum which would have altered the movement of the planet through space..
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I laughed at his laughing on the theory lol
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QUOTE(KeNGZ @ Sep 15 2010, 10:34 PM)
let's open a new thread on alien?
LOL
of course it can be something out of our imagination.

and perhaps they don't have to be carbon-based.

hawking thinks that, if life can exist on earth,
why not on other planet in the universe?
cause planet earth is just another normal planet in this universe.

btw there's a mathematical formula to calculate the potential number of existence of extraterrestrial in this universe.
here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation
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If Hawking already believed there is Alien among the stars and could already travel to the earth due to technology advancement, means that the Hollow Earth Theory still yet to be proven.
Alien, UFO and Hollow earth are link, well as for 2012, this one i dont know.. .. For him to say Alien lifeform is a posibility, Posibility of an another exsistance that have been denied can still be question until proven so. US have been covering seceret operation for years, it is proven. Eg: The Afghan war where WikiLeaks expose mostly all of the confidential misson to the world.

So if everyone thinks there is no hole at the north pole, find an untouch picture of earth north pole by satelite. Reference should be before our advancement eg. Photoshop or any other graphic altering were develop ... somewhere 1977 - 1995 ? and paste it here.


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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 16 2010, 07:53 AM)
If Hawking already believed there is Alien among the stars and could already travel to the earth due to technology advancement, means that the Hollow Earth Theory still yet to be proven.
Alien, UFO and Hollow earth are link, well as for 2012, this one i dont know.. .. For him to say Alien lifeform is a posibility, Posibility of an another exsistance that have been denied can still be question until proven so. US have been covering seceret operation for years, it is proven. Eg: The Afghan war where WikiLeaks expose mostly all of the confidential misson to the world.

So if everyone thinks there is no hole at the north pole, find an untouch picture of earth north pole by satelite. Reference should be before our advancement eg. Photoshop or any other graphic altering were develop ... somewhere 1977 - 1995 ? and paste it here.
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Seriously, why bother with all these pseudo science? What benefit is this gonna bring you?

If you are so passionate about science, why not go for something more practical like quantum mechanics, medicine or engineering that will bring good to people? Rather than staring at all these nonsense about UFO, some US conspiracy till this whole section is filled with garbage.

Also, please get a spell checker, your entire post is filled with spelling mistakes.


Added on September 16, 2010, 8:06 amI have to bring this up:

QUOTE(KeNGZ @ Sep 15 2010, 07:23 PM)
ScrewBallX, just another question,not trying to offend you,
are you educated under the main science stream?
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Please answer this question, ScrewBallX.

QUOTE(KeNGZ @ Sep 15 2010, 10:52 PM)
well that would be super-less-likely to be possible.
who says stars occurs at all range of mass and at random manner?
we have such thing, known as Main Sequence of stars

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_sequence
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Pardon my ignorance, as astronomy isnt my main field, but even with common sense, it's not possible.

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Seriously, why bother with all these pseudo science? What benefit is this gonna bring you?

If you are so passionate about science, why not go for something more practical like quantum mechanics, medicine or engineering that will bring good to people? Rather than staring at all these nonsense about UFO, some US conspiracy till this whole section is filled with garbage.

Also, please get a spell checker, your entire post is filled with spelling mistakes.
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I should not bother by it cause a lot of theads going around this and other forum are also garbage. So why dont you little kids run along and open your quantum mechanics shop theads and explain repeated science to all of the people in this forum, i guess theres no one or a little people care going in to your theads. Like i said, There is a lot of people who are like you who prefer logical explanation or "I believed it when i see it" type. But all scientice made theory but when prove otherwise they research and re-study it again.

Why do i need a spell checker for ? Do i need to attend spelling exam? Do i get point for spelling it right? Other TS have bad grammar and wrong spelling, that doesnt bother anyone.
Seriously, you should get a life. Looks like you need more attention.

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I should not bother by it cause a lot of theads going around this and other forum are also garbage. So why dont you little kids run along and open your  quantum mechanics shop theads and explain repeated science to all of the people in this forum, i guess theres no one or a little people care going in to your theads. Like i said, There is a lot of people who are like you who prefer logical explanation or "I believed it when i see it" type. But all scientice made theory but when prove otherwise they research and re-study it again.

Why do i need a spell checker for ? Do i need to attend spelling exam? Do i get point for spelling it right? Other TS have bad grammar and wrong spelling, that doesnt bother anyone.
Seriously, you should get a life. Looks like you need more attention.
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Ohhohohoho, you are angry because your little Hollow Earth Theory beginning to fall apart.

It's just clear that you dont really have any knowledge on science and just holding on all these pseudo science fantasy. Great read, but whats the point?

Nothing wrong for being "I believe when i see it", as a visual evidence is the best way to convince someone, rather than some fairy tales or some half cooked theory.

You know what, some of your spelling mistakes makes it really hard to understand what are you trying to say.
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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Sep 16 2010, 08:59 AM)
Ohhohohoho, you are angry because your little Hollow Earth Theory beginning to fall apart.

It's just clear that you dont really have any knowledge on science and just holding on all these pseudo science fantasy. Great read, but whats the point?

Nothing wrong for being "I believe when i see it", as a visual evidence is the best way to convince someone, rather than some fairy tales or some half cooked theory.

You know what, some of your spelling mistakes makes it really hard to understand what are you trying to say.
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Angry? Dont assume to much and judge by the word and say "oh ! your angry" I may feel happy, sad or boring. Statement is discuss at first post.. are you dicussing or just you like to troll around? How can theory fall apart if there is just only theory to contadict it? No one knows the earth is solid and no one know the earth is hollow. Everthing is just by theory, hence the Hollow Earth Theory. whistling.gif

If you dont understand than feel free to modify it. yawn.gif




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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 16 2010, 08:24 AM)
I should not bother by it cause a lot of theads going around this and other forum are also garbage. So why dont you little kids run along and open your  quantum mechanics shop theads and explain repeated science to all of the people in this forum, i guess theres no one or a little people care going in to your theads. Like i said, There is a lot of people who are like you who prefer logical explanation or "I believed it when i see it" type. But all scientice made theory but when prove otherwise they research and re-study it again.

Why do i need a spell checker for ? Do i need to attend spelling exam? Do i get point for spelling it right? Other TS have bad grammar and wrong spelling, that doesnt bother anyone.
Seriously, you should get a life. Looks like you need more attention.
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If you are not supposed to use logical explanations to explain something, how do you prove your theory is correct? Spam pages and pages of stuff so that people agree with you just to shut you up or wait until no one care about the thread anymore so that you can declare yourself the winner. If you don't want to have a discussion, don't post your stuff on a forum.

The part about science where a theory can be disproved is what makes science great. Wrong information can be removed.

What is a quantum mechanic shop?


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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 16 2010, 09:34 AM)
Angry? Dont assume to much and judge by the word and say "oh ! your angry" I may feel happy, sad or boring. Statement is discuss at first post.. are you dicussing or just you like to troll around? How can theory fall apart if there is just only theory to contadict it? No one knows the earth is solid and no one know the earth is hollow. Everthing is just by theory, hence the Hollow Earth Theorywhistling.gif

If you dont understand than feel free to modify it.  yawn.gif
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again you dont understand what a scientific theory mean. please read on its definition.


you have not evidence to support hollow earth except some fairy tale story that are not authenticated, while thousand of scientist have been to research mission in both pole, none of them notice a gapping hole in the ground.
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again you dont understand what a scientific theory mean. please read on its definition.
you have not evidence to support hollow earth except some fairy tale story that are not authenticated, while thousand of scientist have been to research mission in both pole, none of them notice a gapping hole in the ground.
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Fun fact about the Arctic polar cap, this submarine actually went under it and passed the North Pole.
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If Hawking already believed there is Alien among the stars and could already travel to the earth due to technology advancement, means that the Hollow Earth Theory still yet to be proven.
Alien, UFO and Hollow earth are link, well as for 2012, this one i dont know.. .. For him to say Alien lifeform is a posibility, Posibility of an another exsistance that have been denied can still be question until proven so. US have been covering seceret operation for years, it is proven. Eg: The Afghan war where WikiLeaks expose mostly all of the confidential misson to the world.

So if everyone thinks there is no hole at the north pole, find an untouch picture of earth north pole by satelite. Reference should be before our advancement eg. Photoshop or any other graphic altering were develop ... somewhere 1977 - 1995 ? and paste it here.


lol looks like you are still defending your POV and won't get over with it.
well looks like all our explanation won't help you getting any better or learning the science.
we've explained enough now.

and again,
== you are relating irrelevant stuffs above again.

and LOL my friend questioned me:
why is there on earth such person like you?
someone who doesn't believe in science,[COLOR=blue]
and instead created a new branch of theories that are biased and deviated from the actual main stream that you have fabricated.
and would compare you to the witches, shaman and prophet in the past,
that fooled people with there saying and the fake truths.
We are sad to see that there is such Malaysian,
furthermore we have had science education prepared for everyone.
or is it insufficient?
and I'm even more disappointed that some even got influenced and actually trusted your pseudo-science.
a forum is not intended for educating people wrongfully,
or no one will have any confidence in it.
a forum is a place where we share true valuable information,
and discuss about some unsolved discrepancies, then find out the truth and discard the wrong one.
so be a responsible guy and Malaysian in LYN.
we are going 2020 dude. modal insan arr, professionals arr.

well I don't know.
if you think my words aren't powerful or convincing,
or I don't have the real knowledge/ my knowledge are all crap and made-ups,
well I have nothing to say.
this is a forum, people have their freedom to talk and choose whether to believe or not.
perhaps because you think this Lowyat forum does not have professionals that can compete with you,
or has no people with those scientific knowledge that can overturn your theories.

let me introduce you another forum.
run by physicist, mathematician, PhD professors, engineers and etc from all around the world, esp. US.
http://www.physicsforums.com/
post your thread there and I would like to see them getting stunned with you with your pseudo-science,
and how do they fire at you.

goodluck
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QUOTE(robertngo @ Sep 15 2010, 10:36 PM)
i am wondering also why all the alien they said have come to earth are humanoid.
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I suspect the cock roach is alien. they exist millions of years. probably they created us by massive inbreeding?
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oops forgot to show u how to differentiate science from non-science
the philosophy and thus method of science.
how was science developed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_science
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Fun fact about the Arctic polar cap, this submarine actually went under it and passed the North Pole.
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Dude, there's no hole in the north pole. That sub went under the ice caps. thats all. the sea bed had no hole to go into the hollow world doh.gif
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Dude, there's no hole in the north pole. That sub went under the ice caps. thats all. the sea bed had no hole to go into the hollow world  doh.gif
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I didn't mention anything about a hole there in that post, did I? I only mentioned about the sub going under the polar cap and passing the north pole.
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Ok .. im going to sleep now

Oh and here the old news...

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/...1,53420,00.html

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http://hollowplanet.blogspot.com/

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I didn't mention anything about a hole there in that post, did I? I only mentioned about the sub going under the polar cap and passing the north pole.
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That means you posted something totally UNRELATED in replying to his post. doh.gif

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QUOTE(happy4ever @ Sep 16 2010, 11:58 AM)
Dude, there's no hole in the north pole. That sub went under the ice caps. thats all. the sea bed had no hole to go into the hollow world  doh.gif
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It is related, you've already stated what I wanted to convey biggrin.gif and if someone wanted to say that the hole can be opened and closed, the sea water rushing in will cause the world's sea level to drop.
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Why do they need restriction at the polar ice?

http://www.usap.gov/usapgov/scienceSupport...%20Behavior.pdf

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Why do they need restriction at the polar ice?

http://www.usap.gov/usapgov/scienceSupport...%20Behavior.pdf

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what do you mean, POLAR ICE is a computer system belong to the government of course there is these kind of access restriction and code of conduct.
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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 16 2010, 02:42 PM)
Why do they need restriction at the polar ice?

http://www.usap.gov/usapgov/scienceSupport...%20Behavior.pdf

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What is those pictures gonna do with a computer system?

Seriously, get your sources right, please. Stop copying and pasting stuff that have no relevance.
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Can i know where did you get this?
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wat?
from my observation this further proves that there is no hole lmao!


Added on September 16, 2010, 10:25 pm
QUOTE(robertngo @ Sep 15 2010, 01:07 PM)
they will be dead long before they evolve to mermaid.


Added on September 15, 2010, 12:08 pm

the admiral are not crazy or attention whore, it is just the story are completely made up by someone else.


Added on September 15, 2010, 12:15 pm

are the crust make up of rubber? why wont the impact just punch a hole in the crust or destroying it?

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hey hey i just thought of another evidence to bust the hollow core earth postulate.
the rubber earth's crust?
don't look at how the crater is created.
look at how would the motion changed if it collides with an asteroid.
since it is like a sphere crust with a sun suspended in it.
when the outer crust collided with asteroid,
the momentum carried by the asteroid will definitely change the motion of crust,
furthermore it is already hard to synchronize the orbit and motion and still maintain the sun at the middle.
so the crust would have shifted and collided with the inner sun.
or taking the crust as a still frame of reference,
the inner sun would be bouncing like a ball inside another larger ball lmao.
busted again?

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Gravitation Inside A Uniform Hollow Sphere
The gravitational force inside a hollow sphere shell of uniform areal mass density is everywhere equal to zero, and may be proved by the following argument:

Let the sphere have a radius a. Place a point P inside the sphere at a distance r from the center where r < a; i.e., r is strictly less than a. Draw a line through P to intersect the sphere at two opposite points. Call these points and. Let the distance from P to be r1, and the distance from P to be r2.

Now place a differential area dA at , and project straight lines through P to acquire its image dA at . These two areas subtend a solid angle d at P. Let the sphere have areal mass density (kg/m2). Then the net differential attraction dF of dA and dA at P directed toward is just

dF = ( dA /r12 - dA/r22).

But dA = r12 d, and dA = r22 d by definition of the solid angle. Thus,

dF = ((r12 d)/r12 - (r22 d)/r22) = 0.

This result is true for all choices of dA and dA. The gravitational force within the sphere is everywhere equal to zero.


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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 16 2010, 10:39 PM)
Adding ...

Gravitation Inside A Uniform Hollow Sphere
The gravitational force inside a hollow sphere shell of uniform areal mass density is everywhere equal to zero, and may be proved by the following argument:

Let the sphere have a radius a. Place a point P inside the sphere at a distance r from the center where r < a; i.e., r is strictly less than a. Draw a line through P to intersect the sphere at two opposite points. Call these points  and. Let the distance from P to  be r1, and the distance from P to be r2.

Now place a differential area dA at , and project straight lines through P to acquire its image dA at . These two areas subtend a solid angle d at P. Let the sphere have areal mass density (kg/m2). Then the net differential attraction dF of dA and dA at P directed toward  is just

dF = ( dA /r12 - dA/r22).

But dA = r12 d, and dA = r22 d by definition of the solid angle. Thus,

dF = ((r12 d)/r12 - (r22 d)/r22) = 0.

This result is true for all choices of dA and dA. The gravitational force within the sphere is everywhere equal to zero.
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dont this prove that inside the hollow earth it will be a weightless environment? this disprove all the story of people that said they have journey into the inner earth?
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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 16 2010, 10:39 PM)
Adding ...

Gravitation Inside A Uniform Hollow Sphere
The gravitational force inside a hollow sphere shell of uniform areal mass density is everywhere equal to zero, and may be proved by the following argument:

Let the sphere have a radius a. Place a point P inside the sphere at a distance r from the center where r < a; i.e., r is strictly less than a. Draw a line through P to intersect the sphere at two opposite points. Call these points  and. Let the distance from P to  be r1, and the distance from P to be r2.

Now place a differential area dA at , and project straight lines through P to acquire its image dA at . These two areas subtend a solid angle d at P. Let the sphere have areal mass density (kg/m2). Then the net differential attraction dF of dA and dA at P directed toward  is just

dF = ( dA /r12 - dA/r22).

But dA = r12 d, and dA = r22 d by definition of the solid angle. Thus,

dF = ((r12 d)/r12 - (r22 d)/r22) = 0.

This result is true for all choices of dA and dA. The gravitational force within the sphere is everywhere equal to zero.
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Stop slapping random rubbish here and expect people to believe you.
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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 16 2010, 11:39 PM)
Adding ...

Gravitation Inside A Uniform Hollow Sphere
The gravitational force inside a hollow sphere shell of uniform areal mass density is everywhere equal to zero, and may be proved by the following argument:

Let the sphere have a radius a. Place a point P inside the sphere at a distance r from the center where r < a; i.e., r is strictly less than a. Draw a line through P to intersect the sphere at two opposite points. Call these points  and. Let the distance from P to  be r1, and the distance from P to be r2.

Now place a differential area dA at , and project straight lines through P to acquire its image dA at . These two areas subtend a solid angle d at P. Let the sphere have areal mass density (kg/m2). Then the net differential attraction dF of dA and dA at P directed toward  is just

dF = ( dA /r12 - dA/r22).

But dA = r12 d, and dA = r22 d by definition of the solid angle. Thus,

dF = ((r12 d)/r12 - (r22 d)/r22) = 0.

This result is true for all choices of dA and dA. The gravitational force within the sphere is everywhere equal to zero.
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holy crow.
first, newton's universal law of gravitation:
F=GMm/rr

let me state the flaw in your maths above.
first you messed up everything.
label and statement are all messed up, and could not be understand.
I tried to do your math above but I just could extract the information.

2. how do you know the mass of the inner sun and the outer right of sphere/crust?
how do you know the density of them ==

3. the gravitational force exerted on between 2 mass still obey the inverse square law.
there is only one locus neutral point (zero gravity), not everywhere.
when getting close to one side of mass, the resultant gravity will be dominant on that side.

4. to do the calculation you need the correct dimension and the mass of the whole structure,
which you don't have here, and definitely would not be able to find out.

5. such a complicated system (the hollow sphere with a core suspending at its centre),
the math would have been far more complicated.

last of all,
I might not be the champion of national math olympiad,
yet I did win some title in some national and overseas math competitions.
=)
whose word is more convincing now?
and don't tell me the next reply you are going to type is,
'I can claim that I'm Math olympiad too! no one can disprove it!'

okay okay enough =)

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holy crow.
first, newton's universal law of gravitation:
F=GMm/rr

let me state the flaw in your maths above.
first you messed up everything.
label and statement are all messed up, and could not be understand.
I tried to do your math above but I just could extract the information.

2. how do you know the mass of the inner sun and the outer right of sphere/crust?
how do you know the density of them ==

3. the gravitational force exerted on between 2 mass still obey the inverse square law.
there is only one locus neutral point (zero gravity), not everywhere.
when getting close to one side of mass, the resultant gravity will be dominant on that side.

4. to do the calculation you need the correct dimension and the mass of the whole structure,
which you don't have here, and definitely would not be able to find out.

5. such a complicated system (the hollow sphere with a core suspending at its centre),
the math would have been far more complicated.

last of all,
I might not be the champion of national math olympiad,
yet I did win some title in some national and overseas math competitions.
=)
whose word is more convincing now?
and don't tell me the next reply you are going to type is,
'I can claim that I'm Math olympiad too! no one can disprove it!'

okay okay enough =)
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Definitely you.

Just a glance at it, it is sure he just pull some shit out of his butt. Rather than a sound argument on some well known laws like the one you have posted, Newston's Law of Gravitation.
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holy crow.
first, newton's universal law of gravitation:
F=GMm/rr

let me state the flaw in your maths above.
first you messed up everything.
label and statement are all messed up, and could not be understand.
I tried to do your math above but I just could extract the information.

2. how do you know the mass of the inner sun and the outer right of sphere/crust?
how do you know the density of them ==

3. the gravitational force exerted on between 2 mass still obey the inverse square law.
there is only one locus neutral point (zero gravity), not everywhere.
when getting close to one side of mass, the resultant gravity will be dominant on that side.

4. to do the calculation you need the correct dimension and the mass of the whole structure,
which you don't have here, and definitely would not be able to find out.

5. such a complicated system (the hollow sphere with a core suspending at its centre),
the math would have been far more complicated.

last of all,
I might not be the champion of national math olympiad,
yet I did win some title in some national and overseas math competitions.
=)
whose word is more convincing now?
and don't tell me the next reply you are going to type is,
'I can claim that I'm Math olympiad too! no one can disprove it!'

okay okay enough =)
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he just copy those from a nasa site

http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/k-12/Numbers/M...ing/grvtysp.htm

it is just a math problem with nothing to do with hollow earth, maybe just the world hollow sphere will make him posting it as proof.
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QUOTE(robertngo @ Sep 17 2010, 12:22 AM)
he just copy those from a nasa site

http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/k-12/Numbers/M...ing/grvtysp.htm

it is just a math problem with nothing to do with hollow earth, maybe just the world hollow sphere will make him posting it as proof.
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lmao no wonder so many things missing.
copy oso duno copy.
those letters and power signs are Latex based or watever it is,
can't be copied.

anyway this has nothing to do with his theory haha

adding, that original equation from NASA is true

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What a great story to read, I enjoy the response but couldn't help to wonder how is life in there if its true, I stop reading the point "Buck Rogers". Also somewhat similar to religion or ghost, its there and we just had to take their words while the mainstream science is the basis of our civilization but why someone like ScrewBallX is so obsessed with it?

Ah... then I realized, people love to watch movies and this is an interesting title, no wonder Lord Of The Ring and Harry Potter sell so well.
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What a great story to read, I enjoy the response but couldn't help to wonder how is life in there if its true, I stop reading the point "Buck Rogers". Also somewhat similar to religion or ghost, its there and we just had to take their words while the mainstream science is the basis of our civilization but why someone like ScrewBallX is so obsessed with it?

Ah... then I realized, people love to watch movies and this is an interesting title, no wonder Lord Of The Ring and Harry Potter sell so well.
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Well, for me, people who deeply believe in those science fantasy is like those people who thinks Transformer is a documentary.

Anyway, TS could close this thread, as there is nothing to discuss.

The more the forumers bust TS's myth, the more random crap he copy from somewhere. Looks like he just want post counts.
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Let me restate the hypothesis. The earth is not hollow. But it could very well be.

The mantle is not solid. There could be creatures living in there, in the same way that crabs live at the bottom of the ocean. Of course they do not stand upside down on the crust. They will just swim around floating in the mantle. These animals would be different from anything we have ever seen. They move very slowly. The are on a timescale completely different from ours.

In the time you take to read this topic, a thousand generations of bacteria would have lived and died. Similarly, in the time these creatures do anything, thousands of generations of humans would have passed through the world.
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Let me restate the hypothesis. The earth is not hollow. But it could very well be.

The mantle is not solid. There could be creatures living in there, in the same way that crabs live at the bottom of the ocean. Of course they do not stand upside down on the crust. They will just swim around floating in the mantle. These animals would be different from anything we have ever seen. They move very slowly. The are on a timescale completely different from ours.

In the time you take to read this topic, a thousand generations of bacteria would have lived and died. Similarly, in the time these creatures do anything, thousands of generations of humans would have passed through the world.
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No one's saying that the Earth is 100% solid piece of rock.

There could be live inside the mantle, but what TS is tries to say is, Earth is like an empty egg shell, with a nuclear fusion sun inside. It's a far fetched idea, but he hasnt put any reasonable proof.
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lol u misunderstood me.
yup at the early age we regard those tiny particles as dust.
comet is a dust ball, so are the asteroids. and the sun too.
dust clumps together due to gravitational pull, as every body that has mass exert this property.
the sun's gravitational pull is highest, as it is in the centre of the solar system, where most dust will spiral towards it and concentrate.
the thing that is different with sun it that, it shines, it burns.

normal planets formed by almost the same principle,
where dust clump for form rock, rocks clump to form larger asteroids and then planets.
you might wonder why do we see rocks but not a huge and unstable dustball.
well i mentioned that the earth was melted.
melted particles of rocks and etc just mixed together and when they cooled, we see a huge chunk of rock in space, not dustball.

read up more on the theory on the formation of stars and planets yourself if you are really interested,
as the real thing is always long to be explained here.

however,
READ FROM RELIABLE AND CORRECT SOURCE,
maintained by those widely recognized,
as you know internet nowadays don't just give you information,
it gives you flawed or incorrect ones, or those deviated from the truth and mainstream.

of course, most important of all, be wise and sensible and know how to choose to read.
book is still the best of course =)
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I may have misunderstood you. Likewise you misunderstood me too. For that matter, I dont think anyone understood the TS either. I beileve the TS started this thered because he was doubtful of certain things about hollow earth theory at the same time there are things he considered having merit. He wanted to hear what we could or could not accept and why so that he can formulate his own standpoint. As it is this theread started of with sarcasm accompanied by a simple statement of disbelief (typical of PhD School - heading toward Kopitiam soon). The funny part is frictional movies were quoted as if these movies had more merit than the hollow earth theory. The more crude remarks the forum throw at TS, the more cut and paste he produced.

As an arts student, I admit my science is not that good. What I can see is the stuff TS produce have their points when they challenge what is "acceptable science" (by acceptable science I means ideas that nobody in these forum dispute. Seriously, even Hawkins dont makes sense to me). Both sides have different views of gravity. I wonder how many of you realise the inconsistencies you have brought out just to disagree with this theory.

Lets me ask what I put in bold. Since everything has gravity, why are there no dust ball floating around now. How often do you clean your room? I am sure there is still dust every day. Why only during formation of suns and plantes they can clump together but not now? Since you say the center has the strongest gravity why are humans not suck in to it to form the clump? There should be one center and it should be all powerful to suck all to it thus forming one big clump not little clumps here and ther and finally orbiting around it.
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QUOTE(faceless @ Sep 17 2010, 01:58 PM)
I may have misunderstood you. Likewise you misunderstood me too. For that matter, I dont think anyone understood the TS either. I beileve the TS started this thered because he was doubtful of certain things about hollow earth theory at the same time there are things he considered having merit. He wanted to hear what we could or could not accept and why so that he can formulate his own standpoint. As it is this theread started of with sarcasm accompanied by a simple statement of disbelief (typical of PhD School - heading toward Kopitiam soon). The funny part is frictional movies were quoted as if these movies had more merit than the hollow earth theory. The more crude remarks the forum throw at TS, the more cut and paste he produced. 

As an arts student, I admit my science is not that good. What I can see is the stuff TS produce have their points when they challenge what is "acceptable science" (by acceptable science I means ideas that nobody in these forum dispute. Seriously, even Hawkins dont makes sense to me). Both sides have different views of gravity. I wonder how many of you realise the inconsistencies you have brought out just to disagree with this theory.

Lets me ask what I put in bold. Since everything has gravity, why are there no dust ball floating around now. How often do you clean your room? I am sure there is still dust every day. Why only during formation of suns and plantes they can clump together but not now? Since you say the center has the strongest gravity why are humans not suck in to it to form the clump? There should be one center and it should be all powerful to suck all to it thus forming one big clump not little clumps here and ther and finally orbiting around it.
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hollow earth is not a theory, it is a hypothesis, which have not solid evidence to support it except for some unauthenticated personal testimonial which really dont count for much in science.

do you think kopitiam section are better to discuss about science, in the thread on hawkins new book so many just keep attacking him on his physical appearance like real enlighten people do.
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QUOTE(faceless @ Sep 17 2010, 01:58 PM)
Lets me ask what I put in bold. Since everything has gravity, why are there no dust ball floating around now. How often do you clean your room? I am sure there is still dust every day. Why only during formation of suns and plantes they can clump together but not now? Since you say the center has the strongest gravity why are humans not suck in to it to form the clump? There should be one center and it should be all powerful to suck all to it thus forming one big clump not little clumps here and ther and finally orbiting around it.
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During formation of sun and planet, everthing is chaotic and spreaded out, slowly due to gravitation, dust clump together and form sun, planets which due by natural force and condition, become a more steady state. But still it is not a steady state, as everything is still moving around and our galaxy in billion light year also will destory due to collision of another galaxy.

If earth has no gravitation pull, we are weightless, won't stand on the ground, and should be float around, actually we are stuck on the earth ground due to gravitational pull.
If earth gravitation pull is strong enough like sun, then we even cannot stand up and clump as a ball/point.

Yes, there is a black hole in every galaxy which planets and sun are moving around which suck everything inside.

But just like a pile of water, if you turn upside down, water fall down.
But if you spin the pile fast enough, then the water will stick to the pile and won't fall down even on upside down condition, aka centrifugal force counter act the gravitational pull.

Just like when we standing up, we are actually using muscle strength to counter the earth gravitational pull.

The concept allied.

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As an arts student, I admit my science is not that good. What I can see is the stuff TS produce have their points when they challenge what is "acceptable science" (by acceptable science I means ideas that nobody in these forum dispute. Seriously, even Hawkins dont makes sense to me). Both sides have different views of gravity. I wonder how many of you realise the inconsistencies you have brought out just to disagree with this theory.
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Whatever hypothesis, you need at least tiny science, math or fact, or some theory to support it before it can hold any ground.
You cannot simply throw out a hypothesis and want people to believe.

You need to proper explain such a theory. Just like when steady state theory come out, many scientists and physician actually accept it. But since after scientish found out the universe is continue expanding and galaxy actually become far and far away by time, steady state theory cannot hold ground anymore.
There are some maths and theory based on observation and data that current support various theory we have today.
While some may just purely theory, just like big bang theory, but those have strong theory to support it (like since distance become far and far away, big bang theory has its supporting point) until someone can debunk those theory, by some facts, or some other theory which hold ground, then it is still remain believe and accepted.

Same with hollow earth, until one can prove with math of gravitational pull, observation data, some theory that hold ground, only then it is seems plausible.
If not simply throw out such theory without anything else, it will be just be laughed off only.

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Robert,
Dont you think one day we will end up like kopitiam if we continue to hurl insults just because someone come up with a fairy tale that strongly offends your belief?

Cherroy,
My point is just because something that is in main streem science does not mean it does not have its inconsistencies. Why is earth gravity not pulling more dust now to make earth dustless and bigger? How come it had the ability to do such thing when it was only a spec of dust (much weaker than now a giantic globe that house you and I) but not now? So there is this statement "become a steady state" whcih sounded good and every one accpect and it become main stream science. What happen to the earlier premise that every thing has gravity. It is not workable now. It uses gravity to maintain the sytem. It sounds like a fairy tale to me. It seems okay at that time (due to our existing knowledge) so we accept it. Those days you say the earth is round and you get mocked. Now you are a cookoo if you say the eath is hollow. An acceptance due to no opposition at that time will become main stream science. To put it in another way, "it must be true because it is not faillable". That is science? Or to put in TS words, wait till Hawkins tell you otherwise then you will accept. I wonder how many of those who previously said "I will believe if I see it for myself" will just accept Hawkins without even seeing.
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QUOTE(faceless @ Sep 17 2010, 02:58 PM)
I may have misunderstood you. Likewise you misunderstood me too. For that matter, I dont think anyone understood the TS either. I beileve the TS started this thered because he was doubtful of certain things about hollow earth theory at the same time there are things he considered having merit. He wanted to hear what we could or could not accept and why so that he can formulate his own standpoint. As it is this theread started of with sarcasm accompanied by a simple statement of disbelief (typical of PhD School - heading toward Kopitiam soon). The funny part is frictional movies were quoted as if these movies had more merit than the hollow earth theory. The more crude remarks the forum throw at TS, the more cut and paste he produced. 

As an arts student, I admit my science is not that good. What I can see is the stuff TS produce have their points when they challenge what is "acceptable science" (by acceptable science I means ideas that nobody in these forum dispute. Seriously, even Hawkins dont makes sense to me). Both sides have different views of gravity. I wonder how many of you realise the inconsistencies you have brought out just to disagree with this theory.

Lets me ask what I put in bold. Since everything has gravity, why are there no dust ball floating around now. How often do you clean your room? I am sure there is still dust every day. Why only during formation of suns and plantes they can clump together but not now? Since you say the center has the strongest gravity why are humans not suck in to it to form the clump? There should be one center and it should be all powerful to suck all to it thus forming one big clump not little clumps here and ther and finally orbiting around it.
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btw what is 'TS'?
ScrewBallX?
yep it is correct to ask questions or problems here that you doubt about.
however there is no point to keep holding onto something like a freak and not ready to put it down.
we are here to educate and correct the wrong statements and faults.
that is why all of us have been trying so hard to keep on explaining.
of course some replies here might seemed harsh because everyone is trying to defend their ideas and reject others'.
this is just discrepancies between our ideas and what we believe as truthful.
disagreement on different ideology may even lead to arguments or clashes.
but it can still be avoided if one keeps and open mind and ready to accept their fault, furthermore learning new and better things.

I'm science educated student but then I realize not everyone is the same as I,
so I don't expect everyone must be good in science and thus no one will believe in pseudoscience such as the hollow core earth.
when this happens, people believing in wrong science and got the wrong idea, deviated from the true logic and science,
this is when we stand out and correct them.

what we can see here is ScrewBallX don't seemed ready to accept all these nor have an open mind which is ready to accept different, correct ideology.
that's why so many were flaming at him.

answering you question.
now we are all attracted to earth's gravity,
but it doesn't mean that gravity doesn't exist between you and me, the dust particles, or the daily objects around you.
it is just that their gravitational pull now is too small until it is negligible as compared to earth.
at the early stage of the formation of planet, everything are just almost the same size,
that is why they have almost equal gravitational force to the clumping of dusts to happen.

and now we are not being sucked into the centre of sun,
simply because we are in an ellipse(elongated circle) motion around the sun.
this idea may be abstract and hard to understand.
in circular motion, a centripetal force is resulted/needed to hold the orbiting object in the circular path,
or else it will go on in a straight line motion.
sun's gravity is provide the centripetal force to hold the planets in their orbits, and it is what makes planets orbiting around it, and not going in straight motion and leave the solar system.
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Robert,
Dont you think one day we will end up like kopitiam if we continue to hurl insults just because someone come up with a fairy tale that strongly offends your belief?
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No offence, i think this whole section is no different from Kopitiam as no one is willing to write anything constructive. The topics here arent even encouraging you to have constructive posts.

IMO, this sections needs slightly stricter rule. As we could see from ScrewballX, he have been copying and pasting various information from any source, sometimes with incomplete information. We need a rule that anything you post, you need a source so that other people could see whether the source is a credible source or just another of those pseudo science sites that blindly supporting some hypothesis.

Also, the amount of pseudo science needs to be reduced, as they have nothing much to discuss about. Things like sorcery, hollow eath "theory" shouldnt be here, or at least have decent articles or sources to discuss about.
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QUOTE(faceless @ Sep 17 2010, 03:46 PM)
Robert,
Dont you think one day we will end up like kopitiam if we continue to hurl insults just because someone come up with a fairy tale that strongly offends your belief?

Cherroy,
My point is just because something that is in main streem science does not mean it does not have its inconsistencies. Why is earth gravity not pulling more dust now to make earth dustless and bigger? How come it had the ability to do such thing when it was only a spec of dust (much weaker than now a giantic globe that house you and I) but not now? So there is this statement "become a steady state" whcih sounded good and every one accpect and it become main stream science. What happen to the earlier premise that every thing has gravity. It is not workable now. It uses gravity to maintain the sytem. It sounds like a fairy tale to me. It seems okay at that time (due to our existing knowledge) so we accept it. Those days you say the earth is round and you get mocked. Now you are a cookoo if you say the eath is hollow. An acceptance due to no opposition at that time will become main stream science. To put it in another way, "it must be true because it is not faillable". That is science? Or to put in TS words, wait till Hawkins tell you otherwise then you will accept. I wonder how many of those who previously said "I will believe if I see it for myself" will just accept Hawkins without even seeing.
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no no no i don't see these as insult,
i see it more as a form of debate in this forum.
the same as critique.
most malaysians just don't like the idea of critique, and they find it hard to accept other's critique.
the same here. we see critique as something bad and insulting.
however, the truth is, critique is what let us see our fault and flaw, and thus guide us towards improvement.

in fact earth is still constantly pulling more dust every moment.
some are small, and some are big, those big ones are asteroid, ranging from few cm to few metres.
yep the olden time, when you say earth is round, you will get caught by the church and labeled as Satan or devil.
that is why Galileo Galilei got killed by the church.
because he believed in science and started the revolution of modern science to seek for the truth.
that is also why we have science as we see today, free from the influence of other party (such as church or other religion body)

here is the irony,
in the olden days, people who claimed that earth is spherical will get trouble from the church, because what church says is considered 'true'.
today, the table has turned.
people claiming that earth is hollow got fired by so many. I would describe TS as the church and we as galileo galilei,
today people no longer trust 'church' , but scientist (galileo galilei).

a theory is established as the model of the physical because it best describe the nature.
however from our experience, true, for many theories have been busted and got replace by better ones.
but then again, such trend will not keep going on perpetually.
as we improve, we always get closer to the truth.

let's look at the case of earth,
first earth is flat,
then it is said to be round and spherical.
and then we sent satellite and observe,
the earth bulges a little at the equator, due to it's spin.
and then human wanted to know the internal structure of earth,
that is why there were so many different theories about the earth's internal structure,
hollow core earth is one of them.
and thru experiment, measurements and inductive speculation,
we concluded that earth is not hollow. and the hollow core earth postulate has been busted.
and it can no longer be revived, just like the case of 'flat earth'.
understood?

now the established model can be modified,
but just on the composition and structure of the inner earth, not the hollow one.
for example at fist we may see the core as solid,
and then improvement made,
the core is molten as w see today.
but the model still hold true,
and hollow core earth is still busted.


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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Sep 17 2010, 04:01 PM)
No offence, i think this whole section is no different from Kopitiam as no one is willing to write anything constructive. The topics here arent even encouraging you to have constructive posts.

IMO, this sections needs slightly stricter rule. As we could see from ScrewballX, he have been copying and pasting various information from any source, sometimes with incomplete information. We need a rule that anything you post, you need a source so that other people could see whether the source is a credible source or just another of those pseudo science sites that blindly supporting some hypothesis.

Also, the amount of pseudo science needs to be reduced, as they have nothing much to discuss about. Things like sorcery, hollow eath "theory" shouldnt be here, or at least have decent articles or sources to discuss about.
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yup now the thread and its content had spoiled the real meaning of 'PhD School'.
if he is here to seek for truth and ready to learn,
it's okay and correct to do so at PhD School.
but..

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Robert,
Dont you think one day we will end up like kopitiam if we continue to hurl insults just because someone come up with a fairy tale that strongly offends your belief?
since this is suppose to be a serious section of the forum, we would expect everyone here to post stuff that are base of facts not fairy tales. for me it is ok for people to open thread on pseudo science, we can present evidence to debunk it, it is another to try and pass fairy tales as fact and expect people to believe it.

a major problem is see is some people never try to understand the scientific method but keep on attacking it, like the meaning of a scientific theory, for countless time have been mention scientific theory does not mean the samething as theory in layman term, but still people will attack scientific theory as "just a theory" and demand their fairy tale to be treated in the same level as the theory. rclxub.gif
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Cherroy,
My point is just because something that is in main streem science does not mean it does not have its inconsistencies. Why is earth gravity not pulling more dust now to make earth dustless and bigger? How come it had the ability to do such thing when it was only a spec of dust (much weaker than now a giantic globe that house you and I) but not now? So there is this statement "become a steady state" whcih sounded good and every one accpect and it become main stream science. What happen to the earlier premise that every thing has gravity. It is not workable now. It uses gravity to maintain the sytem. It sounds like a fairy tale to me. It seems okay at that time (due to our existing knowledge) so we accept it. Those days you say the earth is round and you get mocked. Now you are a cookoo if you say the eath is hollow. An acceptance due to no opposition at that time will become main stream science. To put it in another way, "it must be true because it is not faillable". That is science? Or to put in TS words, wait till Hawkins tell you otherwise then you will accept. I wonder how many of those who previously said "I will believe if I see it for myself" will just accept Hawkins without even seeing.
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Yes, you are correct.

If earth is not spinning, and not receiving energy from the sun which resulted wind and wave in the earth, then yes, every dust wil fall down to earth. Dust flying around is because of those energy, and activities in the earth, including volcanic etc.

Yes a theory explains well the universe or planets or whatever, what is happening out there, while there is not falliable and no one can debunk it then it is a good theory and may accept well across.
Why big bang accepted welll across?
Because it explains well what was/is happening, and being strengthen by observation stars and galaxy is become further and further away.

So if one wants to say earth is hollow, then must explain why earth is hollow, why you have such a opinion. You cannot simply say it due to fantasy or fiction of your own taught.
If you can explains it and others cannot counter the theory with existing science and physics, then you will become another famous scientist or physician.

Just like people said earth is round, you are cookoo if you cannot explain why it is round.

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Apart from the scientific and theory, the story that begin with someone been there and communicated in ENGLISH and the 3 blonds came to greet him is already a joke, which led me to imagine the life in such environment and breath the same air, much like alien who appear the same as human and why bother to communicate in the first place and not now?


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eh guys note the use of term
'physician'
physician means medical practicer/ doctor.
the one study Physics and work in this field,
we call them Physicist. =)
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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Sep 17 2010, 03:01 PM)
No offence, i think this whole section is no different from Kopitiam as no one is willing to write anything constructive. The topics here arent even encouraging you to have constructive posts.

IMO, this sections needs slightly stricter rule. As we could see from ScrewballX, he have been copying and pasting various information from any source, sometimes with incomplete information. We need a rule that anything you post, you need a source so that other people could see whether the source is a credible source or just another of those pseudo science sites that blindly supporting some hypothesis.

Also, the amount of pseudo science needs to be reduced, as they have nothing much to discuss about. Things like sorcery, hollow eath "theory" shouldnt be here, or at least have decent articles or sources to discuss about.
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Pasting and copy latest info for what we dont know why the north pole is kept out of peoples view. Some explorer may have come across it, there are also people who investigate this "hole" but their progress has been hinder by goverment. Google earth have a blank spot on the top or photoshop as well as any sat images. At the North Pole, the sun is permanently above the horizon during the summer months, so why there is no full sat images during this time?
All information we gather are never 100%. Nothing is 100%.
If you are in to science without a shred of belief i tell you this, If i ask you to jump, spit and shout "Oi, come out yer dead people" at the cemetary at 12 midnight, will you do it? Surely you would be afraid of getting "someone" angry. From that point your science dont apply.
Hawking believed lifeform from different planets by calculation and announce it to the world, but the Hollow Earth theory is where alien dwells according to people who said to have been there. Hawking already open a new chapter of theory when he announce alien is "real" through calculation.
So which part does this Theads fit with kopitiam? If you think this theads should be at kopitiam then any theads relating to Stephan Hawking theory should go there as well. nod.gif
We dont know on that robotic speaking chair of his, he also calculating the Hollow earth theory, thus another theory of alien pops up.

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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 17 2010, 07:22 PM)
Pasting and copy latest info for what we dont know why the north pole is kept out of peoples view. Some explorer may have come across it, there are also people who investigate this "hole" but their progress has been hinder by goverment. Google earth have a blank spot on the top or photoshop as well as any sat images. At the North Pole, the sun is permanently above the horizon during the summer months, so why there is no full sat images during this time?
All information we gather are never 100%. Nothing is 100%.
If you are in to science without a shred of belief i tell you this, If i ask you to jump, spit and shout "Oi, come out yer dead people" at the cemetary at 12 midnight, will you do it? Surely you would be afraid of getting "someone" angry. From that point your science dont apply.
Hawking believed lifeform from different planets by calculation and announce it to the world, but the Hollow Earth theory is where alien dwells according to people who said to have been there. Hawking already open a new chapter of theory when he announce alien is "real" through calculation.
So which part does this Theads fit with kopitiam? If you think this theads should be at kopitiam then any theads relating to Stephan Hawking theory should go there as well.  nod.gif
We dont know on that robotic speaking chair of his, he also calculating the Hollow earth theory, thus another theory of alien pops up.
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what do you mean north pole is keep out of view, which government are hindering the investigation of the hole? and north pole dont sit on a land mass like south pole, it is water under the ice any submarine that pass through there will drop into the hole if there is one, and they even have measure the depth of the sea there, the soviet drifting ice station have been around the area for many decades.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_and_Ru...ng_ice_stations

in 2007 a team for russia decent to the sea bed of the north pole in a publicity stunt to drop a russian flag there

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what do you mean north pole is keep out of view, which government are hindering the investigation of the hole? and north pole dont sit on a land mass like south pole, it is water under the ice any submarine that pass through there will drop into the hole if there is one, and they even have measure the depth of the sea there, the soviet drifting ice station have been around the area for many decades.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_and_Ru...ng_ice_stations

in 2007 a team for russia decent to the sea bed of the north pole in a publicity stunt to drop a russian flag there

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Russian and the US has been neck and neck going for the Moon. But in the end, we dont know who win. Russian said they win, US said they win but there is a conspiracy that US never made to the Moon. They make stage and film it from there.
As you read it, Russian want to make a publicity stunt.. so it could be somewhere but not anywhere near the "hole".

Coordinate for hole has been said at 87.7N lat, 142.2E long (2.3 Degree from pole). But mind you there are occurance at the north pole. From sea level, mirage can be seen and also it has been said that the magnetic pole can tamper with the compass and electronic stuff.


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Russian and the US has been neck and neck going for the Moon. But in the end, we dont know who win. Russian said they win, US said they win but there is a conspiracy that US never made to the Moon. They make stage and film it from there.
As you read it, Russian want to make a publicity stunt.. so it could be somewhere but not anywhere near the "hole".

Coordinate for hole has been said at 87.7N lat, 142.2E long (2.3 Degree from pole). But mind you there are occurance at the north pole. From sea level, mirage can be seen and also it has been said that the magnetic pole can tamper with the compass and electronic stuff.
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since when did sovietsaid they win the race to the moon???? they have a legitimate claim that they win the space race with their many first in space flight history, but definately not the moon. if the US have stage the landing on the moon why dont the soviet expose them, it is a conspiracy of unimaginable magnitute involving hundred of thousand of people to fake a moon landing and to fool all the thousand of reporter and spy and are watching nasa's every move. it would be easier to fly to the moon than to fake one.

you know why russian want to plant the flag there? it is due to dispute is the claim on the resources in the artic between russia, US, canada, norway, denmark and greenland, all these country are mapping the artic to try to establish their claim to the area. none have find a massive hole which will be easy to find, and why would russia put the flag in the wrong place, it would be national embarassment if they do.

the north pole are ice and water, submarine have sail through there, nuclear ice breaker and gone there, you can got for a trip to the north pole on board NS Yamal to see for yourself there is not a hole in the group.

http://www.calflora.net/northpole/index.html

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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 17 2010, 10:32 PM)

Coordinate for hole has been said at 87.7N lat, 142.2E long (2.3 Degree from pole). But mind you there are occurance at the north pole. From sea level, mirage can be seen and also it has been said that the magnetic pole can tamper with the compass and electronic stuff.

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Mirages are not rare. All you need to get one is layers of air with different temperature for it to happen. With the North Magnetic Pole in the area, no magnetic compass will work correctly. These are naturally occurring phenomenas that has nothing to do with your so called hole.

What's is the purpose of showing off such a large map? It doesn't show anything relating to you so called hole at all.
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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 17 2010, 07:22 PM)
Pasting and copy latest info for what we dont know why the north pole is kept out of peoples view. Some explorer may have come across it, there are also people who investigate this "hole" but their progress has been hinder by goverment. Google earth have a blank spot on the top or photoshop as well as any sat images. At the North Pole, the sun is permanently above the horizon during the summer months, so why there is no full sat images during this time?
There is no continent on the north pole. It is covered by the Artic Ocean. If there's a hole there, all the water will flow in. We will see a great gigantic whirlpool. And the ocean will drain pretty quickly.

I can think of two explanation why Google Earth does not show anything at the North Pole (I don't have Google Earth right now, so I'll just take your word that it doesn't). (1) Perhaps the satellites (from which Google Earth gets it's imagery) are in an equatorial orbit, and the poles are not easily visible. (2) There's nothing to show. Just an endless expanse of flat ice covered ocean. All flat white. Unlike the South Pole, which is on land, and has mountains and valleys, the North Pole would be very flat.

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If you are in to science without a shred of belief i tell you this, If i ask you to jump, spit and shout "Oi, come out yer dead people" at the cemetary at 12 midnight, will you do it? Surely you would be afraid of getting "someone" angry.
Testing a hypothesis by real experimentation and observation. That *IS* science. You will find out doing so will actually raise the dead. Getting someone angry WOULD be a positive confirmation of your hypothesis. At 12 midnight, there's nobody there except dead people.

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From that point your science dont apply. Hawking believed lifeform from different planets by calculation and announce it to the world, but the Hollow Earth theory is where alien dwells according to people who said to have been there. Hawking already open a new chapter of theory when he announce alien is "real" through calculation. So which part does this Theads fit with kopitiam? If you think this theads should be at kopitiam then any theads relating to Stephan Hawking theory should go there as well. 
Hawking is not the first to make such calculations. Re Fermi's Paradox (about why aliens are not here yet, a bit off topic for the present discussion). Let's just assume that he meant the name callings belongs in kopitiam. Leave it at that and move on.

The main trouble with the hollow earth hypothesis is that by now, the interior of the earth has already being mapped using seismic waves. There is no great big void. Just like we can use ultrasound to see an unborn child without cutting open her mother's womb, we do not actually need to dig a 5000km hole to prove that the earth is not hollow. It would be interesting if someone comes up with a hypothesis that will account for the observed seismic data, AND have a great big void at the center of the planet. I doubt it's possible.

Another problem with this hypothesis is the earth's magnetic field. The current model of the earth (solid iron core, surrounded by liquid iron, surround by molten rock, and lastly the solid crust) accounts for this. The hollow earth model does not.
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This is getting more interesting....

Stars formed from gas cloud. These gas cloud consist of hydrogen and helium. As the universe expand, these cloud begin to condense and form stars. In short, any fine particles basically would coagulate into shining star, i.e. sun. While planet were form in similar way, except the source came from larger particles.

For a cluster of rock to form around a sun, forming a sphere is unlikely. Added with unique characteristic up to 2 holes is near impossible. (Probability is there).

If your read about habitable planet, it will tell you probability of earth-like planet (of intelligent life) is very very low, and I quote, 0.01% in 4 billion years.

Now consider the probability of the following:
1. For a cluster of rock to form evenly around a very small sun;
2. Without being consumed and self-collapse;
3. With 2 holes to be on exact opposite end and along the axis of rotation;
4. Inherit all the unique revolution of life on outer earth (from microorganism, to all kind of living beings, plants and animals, complex food chain)
5. And habitable on outer and inner planet

It is not impossible though. If it is true, inner earth being would have also evolve with similar intelligence as us.
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Oh, one more thing, as stars evolve, it will expand. Earth age about 4.5 billion years. If the hollow earth theory is true, inner sun would have expanded. Earth shell should experience some form of distortion, either expand, or shrink, or collapse into inner sun gravity and heat.
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QUOTE(robertngo @ Sep 17 2010, 11:02 PM)
since when did sovietsaid they win the race to the moon???? they have a legitimate claim that they win the space race with their many first in space flight history, but definately not the moon.  if the US have stage the landing on the moon why dont the soviet expose them, it is a conspiracy of unimaginable magnitute involving hundred of thousand of people to fake a moon landing and to fool all the thousand of reporter and spy and are watching nasa's every move. it would be easier to fly to the moon than to fake one.

you know why russian want to plant the flag there? it is due to dispute is the claim on the resources in the artic between russia, US, canada, norway, denmark and greenland, all these country are mapping the artic to try to establish their claim to the area. none have find a massive hole which will be easy to find, and why would russia put the flag in the wrong place, it would be national embarassment if they do.

the north pole are ice and water, submarine have sail through there, nuclear ice breaker and gone there, you can got for a trip to the north pole on board NS Yamal to see for yourself there is not a hole in the group.

http://www.calflora.net/northpole/index.html
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Stated bearing is at 90 N. 48"04.172 E (2.0)D

Not close enough to the "hole" bearing.


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The main trouble with the hollow earth hypothesis is that by now, the interior of the earth has already being mapped using seismic waves. There is no great big void. Just like we can use ultrasound to see an unborn child without cutting open her mother's womb, we do not actually need to dig a 5000km hole to prove that the earth is not hollow. It would be interesting if someone comes up with a hypothesis that will account for the observed seismic data, AND have a great big void at the center of the planet. I doubt it's possible.

Another problem with this hypothesis is the earth's magnetic field. The current model of the earth (solid iron core, surrounded by liquid iron, surround by molten rock, and lastly the solid crust) accounts for this. The hollow earth model does not.
Yes, the internal earth is mapped by seismic BUT how big should a seismic reader should be? As the case of ultrasound, the power and size of the machine needed to go inside the mother's womb. But in earth case, you need to measure all around the world PLUS other material buried in the ground also how about a larger gap in the ground like caves. I already posted some cave picture that go down for thousands of feet and we have the largest cave system at Sarawak Mulu caves where it can go miles deep and cove a vast amount of areas .. so if a seismologyst measure earth and he was standing above a giant cave.. how could he measure that? If he can measure the earth crust, why we do we have cave explorers to see where and how deep is the caves goes?
Such as the crystal cave, how would the seismic measure react to a hollow ground?


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"By close study of many earthquake records from around the world, we can map out the parts of the Earth's interior where seismic waves arrive sooner or later than average. Those that come sooner travel faster. Those that come later are slowed down by something along the way. In scientific shorthand, the variations in travel time reflect variations in seismic velocity. That's the basis of seismic "ultrasound imaging," because many specific parts of the mantle (and core) have different seismic velocities. Once you know how to pinpoint those places, you can turn earthquake data into pictures of the Earth's interior.

There are two simple complications. First, seismic waves don't move in a straight line through the Earth but instead bend, or refract, in response to changes in rock density. Second, seismic waves can bounce, or reflect, off of sharp density boundaries. One of these is the Earth's surface, the boundary between the crust and the atmosphere. Another one, even sharper than that, is between the mantle and the core. And there are other lesser ones.

In exactly the same way, doctors send high-frequency sound through a mother's belly to map out the density boundaries between bones and skin and organs to take a baby picture. The image is actually a tomogram ("slice picture"), a cross-section of the mother and child. The same procedure on the Earth is called seismic tomography. " - About.com Geology


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http://www.physorg.com/news90171847.html

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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 18 2010, 10:51 AM)
Stated bearing is at 90 N. 48"04.172 E (2.0)D

Not close enough to the "hole" bearing.


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Yes, the internal earth is mapped by seismic BUT how big should a seismic reader should be? As the case of ultrasound, the power and size of the machine needed to go inside the mother's womb. But in earth case, you need to measure all around the world PLUS other material buried in the ground also how about a larger gap in the ground like caves. I already posted some cave picture that go down for thousands of feet and we have the largest cave system at Sarawak Mulu caves where it can go miles deep and cove a vast amount  of areas .. so if a seismologyst measure earth and he was standing above a giant cave.. how could he measure that? If he can measure the earth crust, why we do we have cave explorers to see where and how deep is the caves goes?
Such as the crystal cave, how would the seismic measure react to a hollow ground?


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"By close study of many earthquake records from around the world, we can map out the parts of the Earth's interior where seismic waves arrive sooner or later than average. Those that come sooner travel faster. Those that come later are slowed down by something along the way. In scientific shorthand, the variations in travel time reflect variations in seismic velocity. That's the basis of seismic "ultrasound imaging," because many specific parts of the mantle (and core) have different seismic velocities. Once you know how to pinpoint those places, you can turn earthquake data into pictures of the Earth's interior.

There are two simple complications. First, seismic waves don't move in a straight line through the Earth but instead bend, or refract, in response to changes in rock density. Second, seismic waves can bounce, or reflect, off of sharp density boundaries. One of these is the Earth's surface, the boundary between the crust and the atmosphere. Another one, even sharper than that, is between the mantle and the core. And there are other lesser ones.

In exactly the same way, doctors send high-frequency sound through a mother's belly to map out the density boundaries between bones and skin and organs to take a baby picture. The image is actually a tomogram ("slice picture"), a cross-section of the mother and child. The same procedure on the Earth is called seismic tomography. " - About.com Geology


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http://www.physorg.com/news90171847.html
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gratz.
you have posted more evidence regarding the non-hollow core earth again.
random it might seem,
or you don't know how to differentiate and choose supportive evidence for ur hollow core earth postulate.
instead you are busting it with us now =)
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Stated at first post .. please read.

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Stated at first post .. please read.
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yep i did read.
the recent posts of you seemed biased towards the non-hollow core earth theory more than your original idea,
as you might not realize,
but you sometimes do provide supportive evidence for the existing earth model.
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So, how was our hollow earth formed?
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I see no light emanating from the hole if there is a inner sun within. Sometimes I wonder if there is really a hole why it is so difficult just to take direct unambigious pictures of huge bright lights pouring forth into the night sky from ground below. It should be visible at night hundreds of kms away .... Oh, the hole covers itself up at night smile.gif

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The two pictures of the earth above. There's so much clouds, I am not 100% sure where we're looking at. Looks a bit like the west coast of North America. If you mean the circular thing near the top of the picture, it is unfortunately not on the north pole. From where California is on the picture, the storm looks to be centered on the northern part of Russia. Quite a long distance from the North Pole.

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The link before that to http://www.physorg.com/news90171847.html

If you mean the the white circle at the center. That's not a hole. They just didn't map it.

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Seismic readers are called seismographs. They don't have to be big. They're passive devices. They mostly measure earthquakes. The data is used to map the interior of the earth, as explained in the article you quoted.

Detectors don't have to be big to perceive large objects. For instance, my eyeball measures only about 3cm, yet I can see the moon and the sun, which are very big.

Just to make sure, you're talking about a big void in the center of the earth right? One that measures thousands of km (earth's diameter is about 12,000km). Not puny little caverns just 20m across.

BTW, if the big hole in the center of the earth is only 2000km across, you're going to have to cross 5000km of rock to reach it. Not a distance you want to walk. Remember that you've to carry all your food and water. (The distance from New York to Los Angeles is only 4000km).
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QUOTE(dkk @ Sep 18 2010, 06:59 PM)
The two pictures of the earth above. There's so much clouds, I am not 100% sure where we're looking at. Looks a bit like the west coast of North America. If you mean the circular thing near the top of the picture, it is unfortunately not on the north pole. From where California is on the picture, the storm looks to be centered on the northern part of Russia. Quite a long distance from the North Pole.

user posted image

The link before that to http://www.physorg.com/news90171847.html

If you mean the the white circle at the center. That's not a hole. They just didn't map it.

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Seismic readers are called seismographs. They don't have to be big. They're passive devices. They mostly measure earthquakes. The data is used to map the interior of the earth, as explained in the article you quoted.

Detectors don't have to be big to perceive large objects. For instance, my eyeball measures only about 3cm, yet I can see the moon and the sun, which are very big.

Just to make sure, you're talking about a big void in the center of the earth right? One that measures thousands of km (earth's diameter is about 12,000km). Not puny little caverns just 20m across.

BTW, if the big hole in the center of the earth is only 2000km across, you're going to have to cross 5000km of rock to reach it. Not a distance you want to walk. Remember that you've to carry all your food and water. (The distance from New York to Los Angeles is only 4000km).
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LOL
this news is totally unrelated to ur argument.
again ==
the title of this news is '3-D model shows big body of water in Earth's mantle'
indeed you are so cute ScrewBallX. =)
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okay okay.
would you mind doing something more meaningful and constructive rather than wasting your time here on something that is not going to get you any benefit?
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okay okay.
would you mind doing something more meaningful and constructive rather than wasting your time here on something that is not going to get you any benefit?
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okay okay.
would you mind doing something more meaningful and constructive rather than wasting your time here on something that is not going to get you any benefit?
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Example?

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TS must be from inner earth. Ya, bring me there!
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In the 1950's Prof Hapgood came up with the Pole Shift idea. He believed that since the polar ice caps were continually increasing in size (and weight) that this might cause the Earth to tilt on its side. Since the polar ice caps are unevenly distributed in both the Arctic and Antarctic (e.g. Greenland which lies on one side of the Arctic), he believed that a point would be reached where the centrifugal force of this uneven distribution would cause the Earth to tilt over. Albert Einstein was very impressed with this idea just prior to his death.

I have wondered if the recurrence of ice-ages might be better explained by way of Pole Shift theory. The North Pole was once located in Wisconsin, USA. Similarly, the South Pole was once located in what is now the Sahara desert. The poles have shifted a great many times. But was this because continents were slipping and sliding hither and thither across the face of the Earth or is it that the entire Earth shifted?

It is fashionable these days to blame the extinction of the dinosaurs on comet strikes. The extinction of the dinosaurs was not a one-time event. Indeed, multitudes of species became extinct a great many times. There have been many biological extinctions in the history of our small planet. In the 1980's some scientists conducted a study of these extinctions and discovered to their amazement that there seemed to be a regular pattern to them. Their results were published in Science. These extinctions seemed to occur approximately every 26 million years. What could cause this? The problem with comet strikes is that they are destructive in the sense that the comet/meteor which does the deed is itself annihilated in the process. It is almost absurd to expect comets to strike the Earth with a fixed periodicity. Could it therefore be that something else is at work - something here on Earth for example?

One scientist, D. E. Loper, noticed a correlation between biological extinctions, magnetic reversals, climate change and other geological phenomenon. A number of scientists have noticed a correlation between magnetic reversals and biological extinctions and have written papers about this. Could it be that biological extinctions are also caused by the Earth itself undergoing upheavals of an internal origin?

I do not doubt that comets and meteors must indeed have fallen on the Earth in the past. There is considerable and irrefutable evidence of cometary strikes. And very possibly some of these strikes wiped out large numbers of animal species. However, it is a different thing to say that all biological extinctions are caused by comets. And it is here where these studies of periodicity come into their own. It might even be that the Earth itself is unstable and that it is the main cause of most biological extinctions over and above those caused by comets.

It would seem as if magnetic reversals coincide with other things including an increase in volcanic activity. Could it therefore be that Pole Shifts are the driving factor here? Magnetic reversals might be nothing more than a record of past Pole Shifts. And if the Earth moved physically (because of some weight redistribution), it is entirely possible that this triggered volcanic activity and earthquakes on a vast scale which then destroyed large numbers of animals.

There may also be evidence of rapidly rising land which perhaps builds new continents. Velikovsky pointed to the large number of Zeuglodons (an extinct prehistoric whale) found in Alabama and the Gulf States. Could it be that what was once sea-bed suddenly rose to become dry land? Could this be caused by a Pole Shift?

I have given the Pole Shift idea a special place in Hollow Planet theory. Let's suppose, as per the deep quake evidence inside of the Earth is not as hot as scientists presume it to be. This being the case one would expect water to flow deep inside the Earth. Such water may create tunnels and cavities. There may even be vast oceans of water inside the Earth. Thus, unbeknown to us on the surface there may be an ongoing redistribution of mass going on inside the planet all the time. Perhaps one day some of these cavities become weakened by tremors or by their increasing size and perhaps some of them collapse. This might then cause an entire continent above to then sink into the sea. And perhaps the compressed underground ocean forces other land to rise elsewhere. Gravity may also play a role in this. If gravity is affected by electric currents inside the Earth then this may also help to trigger a rise and fall in land on the surface of the Earth.

In recent years some scientists have been thinking seriously about the Pole Shift concept and some papers have been written about it. Their term for it is "Polar wandering".

One also finds various evidence in the polar regions suggesting that the climate there was much hotter. Was that because the Earth as a whole was hotter or because the polar regions actually lay near the equator?

Dodwell, an Australian astronomer, studied gnomons from around the world. He determined that they had indeed been reorientated within the last few thousand years and that a Pole Shift had occurred within human history.

Finally, I point to the inclinations of all the planets. All the planets are aligned differently. Even though all the planets formed at the same time and rotated in the same direction we find that they are all inclined differently. Venus for example is actually upside down (i.e. retrograde rotation), while Uranus is lying on its side. In fact, I have seen suggestions by some scientists that Pole Shifts may have occurred on the Moon and Mars. Could it be that Pole Shifts are actually endemic to all Hollow Planets and that they are constantly reorientating themselves due to internal mass redistributions which we know nothing of?


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A few of my sources for this chapter:

Kennett, J. P., and Watkins, N. D.; “Geomagnetic Polarity Change, Volcanic Maxima and Faunal Extinction in the South Pacific”, Nature, 227:930, 1970.
Hays, James D.; “Faunal Extinctions and Reversals of the Earth’s Magnetic Field”, Geological Society of America, Bulletin, 82:2433, 1971.
“Earth’s Magnetism Does Correlate with Climate”, New Scientist, 77:848, 1978.
Kelly, Allan O., and Dachille, Frank; “Prehistoric and Modern Lakes”, Target Earth, Carlsbad, 1953, pg 172.
“The Age of the Bolivian Andes”, Geographical Record, 4:59, 1917.


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"Scientists currently define Earth's center in two ways: as the mass center of solid Earth or as the mass center of Earth's entire system, which combines solid Earth, ice sheets, oceans and atmosphere. Argus says there is room for improvement in these estimates."

Argus argues that movements in the mass of Earth's atmosphere and oceans are seasonal and do not accumulate enough to change Earth's mass center. He therefore believes the mass center of solid Earth provides a more accurate reference frame.

"By its very nature, Earth's reference frame is moderately uncertain no matter how it is defined," Argus said. "The problem is very much akin to measuring the center of mass of a glob of Jell-O, because Earth is constantly changing shape due to tectonic and climatic forces. This new reference frame takes us a step closer to pinpointing Earth's exact center." - sciencedaily


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A few of my sources for this chapter:

Kennett, J. P., and Watkins, N. D.; “Geomagnetic Polarity Change, Volcanic Maxima and Faunal Extinction in the South Pacific”, Nature, 227:930, 1970.
Hays, James D.; “Faunal Extinctions and Reversals of the Earth’s Magnetic Field”, Geological Society of America, Bulletin, 82:2433, 1971.
“Earth’s Magnetism Does Correlate with Climate”, New Scientist, 77:848, 1978.
Kelly, Allan O., and Dachille, Frank; “Prehistoric and Modern Lakes”, Target Earth, Carlsbad, 1953, pg 172.
“The Age of the Bolivian Andes”, Geographical Record, 4:59, 1917.
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That must have been long in coming, with references dated as far back as as nearly a hundred years. Where is the evidence say within these 10 years? Why it is so difficult to get direct evidence of a hole as big as a state? Maybe because it does not exist? That would simply explain why after all these years, it still remains alive only on paper and web pages.
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After years of waiting for the Sun to illuminate Saturn’s North Pole again, cameras aboard NASA’s Cassini spacecraft have captured the most detailed images yet of the fascinating hexagon shape crowning the planet.

The new images of the hexagon, whose shape is the path of a jet stream flowing around the North Pole, reveal concentric circles, curlicues, walls, and streamers not seen in previous images.

NASA’s Voyager spacecraft had last captured the visible-light images of the entire hexagon nearly 30 years ago. After the sunlight faded, darkness engulfed the north pole for 15 years, and much to the delight and bafflement of Cassini scientists, the location and shape of the hexagon in the latest images match those they saw in the Voyager pictures.

“The longevity of the hexagon makes this something special, given that weather on Earth lasts on the order of weeks,” said Kunio Sayanagi, a Cassini imaging team associate at the California Institute of Technology.

“It’s a mystery on par with the strange weather conditions that give rise to the long-lived Great Red Spot of Jupiter,” he added.

The hexagon was originally discovered in images taken by the Voyager spacecraft in the early 1980s. It encircles Saturn at about 77 degrees north latitude and has been estimated to have a diameter wider than two Earths. The jet stream is believed to whip along the hexagon at around 100 meters per second.

Early hexagon images from Voyager and ground-based telescopes suffered from poor viewing perspectives. Cassini, which has been orbiting Saturn since 2004, has a better angle for viewing the North Pole. But, the long darkness of Saturnian winter hid the hexagon from Cassini’s visible-light cameras for years.

However, infrared instruments were able to obtain images by using heat patterns. Those images showed the hexagon is nearly stationary and extends deep into the atmosphere. They also discovered a hotspot and cyclone in the same region.



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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/...70612084458.htm

"Scientists currently define Earth's center in two ways: as the mass center of solid Earth or as the mass center of Earth's entire system, which combines solid Earth, ice sheets, oceans and atmosphere. Argus says there is room for improvement in these estimates."

Argus argues that movements in the mass of Earth's atmosphere and oceans are seasonal and do not accumulate enough to change Earth's mass center. He therefore believes the mass center of solid Earth provides a more accurate reference frame.

"By its very nature, Earth's reference frame is moderately uncertain no matter how it is defined," Argus said. "The problem is very much akin to measuring the center of mass of a glob of Jell-O, because Earth is constantly changing shape due to tectonic and climatic forces. This new reference frame takes us a step closer to pinpointing Earth's exact center." - sciencedaily


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"The Biggest Crash on Earth: India Slides Under Tibet, but How?"

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/...00916145129.htm
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Look at the first article above, the part that has been put in bold. It say solid earth, not hollow earth.

Next article in you've posted is related to plate tectonics. There's no way plate tectonic would work with your hollow earth theory unless the continental plates can float on air inside your hollow earth.

You've just disproved the hollow earth theory again. Do you even bother to read and understand what you've posted?
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There is no theory of the universe; events cannot be predicted beyond a certain extent but occur in random and arbitrary manner. - Stephan Hawking.

user posted image

After years of waiting for the Sun to illuminate Saturn’s North Pole again, cameras aboard NASA’s Cassini spacecraft have captured the most detailed images yet of the fascinating hexagon shape crowning the planet.

The new images of the hexagon, whose shape is the path of a jet stream flowing around the North Pole, reveal concentric circles, curlicues, walls, and streamers not seen in previous images.

NASA’s Voyager spacecraft had last captured the visible-light images of the entire hexagon nearly 30 years ago. After the sunlight faded, darkness engulfed the north pole for 15 years, and much to the delight and bafflement of Cassini scientists, the location and shape of the hexagon in the latest images match those they saw in the Voyager pictures.

“The longevity of the hexagon makes this something special, given that weather on Earth lasts on the order of weeks,” said Kunio Sayanagi, a Cassini imaging team associate at the California Institute of Technology.

“It’s a mystery on par with the strange weather conditions that give rise to the long-lived Great Red Spot of Jupiter,” he added.

The hexagon was originally discovered in images taken by the Voyager spacecraft in the early 1980s. It encircles Saturn at about 77 degrees north latitude and has been estimated to have a diameter wider than two Earths. The jet stream is believed to whip along the hexagon at around 100 meters per second.

Early hexagon images from Voyager and ground-based telescopes suffered from poor viewing perspectives. Cassini, which has been orbiting Saturn since 2004, has a better angle for viewing the North Pole. But, the long darkness of Saturnian winter hid the hexagon from Cassini’s visible-light cameras for years.

However, infrared instruments were able to obtain images by using heat patterns. Those images showed the hexagon is nearly stationary and extends deep into the atmosphere. They also discovered a hotspot and cyclone in the same region.
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To get evidence on the hollow earth theory and a gaping hole as big as a large city on earth, you need to go to saturn or jupiter to take some pictures? Amazing!
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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 17 2010, 07:22 PM)
Pasting and copy latest info for what we dont know why the north pole is kept out of peoples view. Some explorer may have come across it, there are also people who investigate this "hole" but their progress has been hinder by goverment. Google earth have a blank spot on the top or photoshop as well as any sat images. At the North Pole, the sun is permanently above the horizon during the summer months, so why there is no full sat images during this time?
All information we gather are never 100%. Nothing is 100%.
If you are in to science without a shred of belief i tell you this, If i ask you to jump, spit and shout "Oi, come out yer dead people" at the cemetary at 12 midnight, will you do it? Surely you would be afraid of getting "someone" angry. From that point your science dont apply.
Hawking believed lifeform from different planets by calculation and announce it to the world, but the Hollow Earth theory is where alien dwells according to people who said to have been there. Hawking already open a new chapter of theory when he announce alien is "real" through calculation.
So which part does this Theads fit with kopitiam? If you think this theads should be at kopitiam then any theads relating to Stephan Hawking theory should go there as well.  nod.gif
We dont know on that robotic speaking chair of his, he also calculating the Hollow earth theory, thus another theory of alien pops up.
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Your brain is just full of those pseudo science or pointless conspiracies, without any reasonable scientific knowledge. At the same time, keep shooting your own foot,while trying to proof a fantasy. Thats all i can see from all your post.

Where are the proof that the "hole" exploration is hindered by any government?

It could be that the satellite which is taking image is a geosynchronous satellite, that is only capable of taking images from the equator. Or there are no one who is capable to do an aerial photograph on the north pole, as some satellite image is contributed by other companies like SKM via aerial photography.

I would not shout at the deceased people at the cemetery because i respect the dead, not because that i am afraid. I have ethics, and what benefit do you get from shouting at the dead? Your Hollow Earth "Theory" is just like shouting at the dead at midnight. Hoping that the dead will rise like what you seen in films and games.

Aliens have nothing to do with your Hollow Earth Theory, as it's a well known fact that pretty much everyone knows, and approved by many scientist around the world with many sensible evidence. Where are your sensible evidence for your Hollow Earth Theory?

This thread has nothing to do with this section and rightfully belongs to Kopitiam because it has no scientific relevance, other than huge amount of entertaining fantasy tales attached with it. On the other hand, Steven Hawking's theories would be too hard for people like you to understand. Have you even read a Hawking's Brief History of Time?
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ah btw i can find the satellite of north and south pole easily on the net.
when it comes to the time to utilize internet for good use you just abused it.
google earth doesn't have it, this doesn't mean no one on this world has no image of the poles.
and, there's no such holes, or else it would be the greatest discovery of the millennium.


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I see u used the link i gave u,

but as usual u abused all the information.
haha I have nothing more to say.


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To get evidence on the hollow earth theory and a gaping hole as big as a large city on earth, you need to go to saturn or jupiter to take some pictures? Amazing!
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just pasting irrelevant stuffs again.
this thread is like rojak. ==

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QUOTE(KeNGZ @ Sep 19 2010, 11:25 AM)
ah btw i can find the satellite of north and south pole easily on the net.
when it comes to the time to utilize internet for good use you just abused it.
google earth doesn't have it, this doesn't mean no one on this world has no image of the poles.
and, there's no such holes, or else it would be the greatest discovery of the millennium.


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I see u used the link i gave u,

but as usual u abused all the information.
haha I have nothing more to say.


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just pasting irrelevant stuffs again.
this thread is like rojak. ==
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Given the number of irrelevant post by the TS, I doubt this thread will remain open when the moderators are notified.
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QUOTE(Eventless @ Sep 19 2010, 12:47 PM)
Given the number of irrelevant post by the TS, I doubt this thread will remain open when the moderators are notified.
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haha they have been here la lol
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Well, look like so many people are intrested in the Hollow earth theory ..
Say what, since you skepters are easliy aggitated by the post. Why dont you ask any science foundation to CONFIRM the Solid earth Theory? Mostly scientice nowdays just say "Believed" so no people could call them crazy scientice and get rejected by society.
Like any science, they only confirm the earth core by Graphic images provided. No solid mapping as explain in the Seismic VS Geology.

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Now, People Anywhere around the world and you know that Earth is Alive.
Under the Law of Nature. How many living thing can you find which is solid from the inside ?




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Now, People Anywhere around the world and you know that Earth is Alive.
Under the Law of Nature. How many living thing can you find which is solid from the inside ?
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There's plenty of single cell organisms that are not hollow inside.

There's no comparable living creature to the planet so this generalisation doesn't work at all.


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Now, People Anywhere around the world and you know that Earth is Alive.
Under the Law of Nature. How many living thing can you find which is solid from the inside ?
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what is this law of nature? can you define it?

are most tree not solid inside?


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In the 1950's Prof Hapgood came up with the Pole Shift idea. He believed that since the polar ice caps were continually increasing in size (and weight) that this might cause the Earth to tilt on its side. Since the polar ice caps are unevenly distributed in both the Arctic and Antarctic (e.g. Greenland which lies on one side of the Arctic), he believed that a point would be reached where the centrifugal force of this uneven distribution would cause the Earth to tilt over. Albert Einstein was very impressed with this idea just prior to his death.

I have wondered if the recurrence of ice-ages might be better explained by way of Pole Shift theory. The North Pole was once located in Wisconsin, USA. Similarly, the South Pole was once located in what is now the Sahara desert. The poles have shifted a great many times. But was this because continents were slipping and sliding hither and thither across the face of the Earth or is it that the entire Earth shifted?

It is fashionable these days to blame the extinction of the dinosaurs on comet strikes. The extinction of the dinosaurs was not a one-time event. Indeed, multitudes of species became extinct a great many times. There have been many biological extinctions in the history of our small planet. In the 1980's some scientists conducted a study of these extinctions and discovered to their amazement that there seemed to be a regular pattern to them. Their results were published in Science. These extinctions seemed to occur approximately every 26 million years. What could cause this? The problem with comet strikes is that they are destructive in the sense that the comet/meteor which does the deed is itself annihilated in the process. It is almost absurd to expect comets to strike the Earth with a fixed periodicity. Could it therefore be that something else is at work - something here on Earth for example?

One scientist, D. E. Loper, noticed a correlation between biological extinctions, magnetic reversals, climate change and other geological phenomenon. A number of scientists have noticed a correlation between magnetic reversals and biological extinctions and have written papers about this. Could it be that biological extinctions are also caused by the Earth itself undergoing upheavals of an internal origin?

I do not doubt that comets and meteors must indeed have fallen on the Earth in the past. There is considerable and irrefutable evidence of cometary strikes. And very possibly some of these strikes wiped out large numbers of animal species. However, it is a different thing to say that all biological extinctions are caused by comets. And it is here where these studies of periodicity come into their own. It might even be that the Earth itself is unstable and that it is the main cause of most biological extinctions over and above those caused by comets.

It would seem as if magnetic reversals coincide with other things including an increase in volcanic activity. Could it therefore be that Pole Shifts are the driving factor here? Magnetic reversals might be nothing more than a record of past Pole Shifts. And if the Earth moved physically (because of some weight redistribution), it is entirely possible that this triggered volcanic activity and earthquakes on a vast scale which then destroyed large numbers of animals.

There may also be evidence of rapidly rising land which perhaps builds new continents. Velikovsky pointed to the large number of Zeuglodons (an extinct prehistoric whale) found in Alabama and the Gulf States. Could it be that what was once sea-bed suddenly rose to become dry land? Could this be caused by a Pole Shift?

I have given the Pole Shift idea a special place in Hollow Planet theory. Let's suppose, as per the deep quake evidence inside of the Earth is not as hot as scientists presume it to be. This being the case one would expect water to flow deep inside the Earth. Such water may create tunnels and cavities. There may even be vast oceans of water inside the Earth. Thus, unbeknown to us on the surface there may be an ongoing redistribution of mass going on inside the planet all the time. Perhaps one day some of these cavities become weakened by tremors or by their increasing size and perhaps some of them collapse. This might then cause an entire continent above to then sink into the sea. And perhaps the compressed underground ocean forces other land to rise elsewhere. Gravity may also play a role in this. If gravity is affected by electric currents inside the Earth then this may also help to trigger a rise and fall in land on the surface of the Earth.

In recent years some scientists have been thinking seriously about the Pole Shift concept and some papers have been written about it. Their term for it is "Polar wandering".

One also finds various evidence in the polar regions suggesting that the climate there was much hotter. Was that because the Earth as a whole was hotter or because the polar regions actually lay near the equator?

Dodwell, an Australian astronomer, studied gnomons from around the world. He determined that they had indeed been reorientated within the last few thousand years and that a Pole Shift had occurred within human history.

Finally, I point to the inclinations of all the planets. All the planets are aligned differently. Even though all the planets formed at the same time and rotated in the same direction we find that they are all inclined differently. Venus for example is actually upside down (i.e. retrograde rotation), while Uranus is lying on its side. In fact, I have seen suggestions by some scientists that Pole Shifts may have occurred on the Moon and Mars. Could it be that Pole Shifts are actually endemic to all Hollow Planets and that they are constantly reorientating themselves due to internal mass redistributions which we know nothing of?
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what does the polarity shift have anything to do with a opening in the earth crust does the opening also shift around?

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Given the number of irrelevant post by the TS, I doubt this thread will remain open when the moderators are notified.
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QUOTE(KeNGZ @ Sep 19 2010, 11:51 AM)
haha they have been here la lol
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As long as there is healthy discussion going on, there is needless to close the topic until it deviate become a /k/ talk.
Although some may seen very /k/

I don't know why TS keep insist the theory of hollow.
First change the topic to polar shifting issue (which has nothing to do with the "hollow" theory), in fact polar shifting has some solid support fact, even scientist suspect and some evidence suggested there is N-S polar shift before.
But this has nothing to do with the earth hollow theory.
Now generalise creature is hollow, again this has nothing to do to claim earth is hollow.

Seems like desperate for "hollow"?
Hollow for the sake of hollow?

Earth definitely is not a total solid, volcanic activities is the strong facts support there is flowing mantle and platter movement.
There is definitely liquid + solid in inner earth.
But not as "hollow" and got fantasy world inside.
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Have you guys read the articles at:http://www.ourhollowearth.com/

"The purpose of the North Pole Inner Earth Expedition under the leadership of Dr. Brooks Agnew is to search out the polar opening and confirm it's existence, even though Dr. Agnew is reticent to admit that is the purpose of the expedition until he can get absolute scientific proof (you know how scientists are). You are welcome to join that expedition on Dr. Agnew's Phoenix Science Foundation website.
As some of you know, we have also located a seaplane owner who is willing to take anyone to the destination in the Arctic that we have requested. I have now updated my eBook with this new information, in which we are also now providing the way anyone that wants to go to Our Hollow Earth can now go even if they are not accepted on Dr. Agnew's expedition for lack of available space."

So, ScrewBallX are you going? The part about the vikings / Eskimos folk tales story about hollow earth is constant summer with vegetation all year is like how they wish they can live like that, I must say its a good read for the sake of knowing people have put in so much time to make it believable and gave rise to movies like "Journey to the center of the Earth".

Just a thought, if Russia is keeping this a secret, why did they sent their people (Jew) to Israel not hallow earth a long time ago? or why bother to compete with US in everything while they could have UFO technology? Why the people in hallow Earth want to make contact with the American pilot? So he can be famous but won't allow any evidence to proof it?

" Adolf Hitler and some of his followers escaped to hollow lands within the Earth after World War II via an entrance in Antarctica."
This line sounds like he went to hell aka Hollow Earth, why hollow people accept him or is there all criminals goes. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(3dassets @ Sep 20 2010, 02:58 AM)
Have you guys read the articles at:http://www.ourhollowearth.com/

"The purpose of the North Pole Inner Earth Expedition under the leadership of Dr. Brooks Agnew is to search out the polar opening and confirm it's existence, even though Dr. Agnew is reticent to admit that is the purpose of the expedition until he can get absolute scientific proof (you know how scientists are).  You are welcome to join that expedition on Dr. Agnew's Phoenix Science Foundation website.
As some of you know, we have also located a seaplane owner who is willing to take anyone to the destination in the Arctic that we have requested.  I have now updated my eBook with this new information, in which we are also now providing the way anyone that wants to go to Our Hollow Earth can now go even if they are not accepted on Dr. Agnew's expedition for lack of available space."

So, ScrewBallX are you going? The part about the vikings / Eskimos folk tales story about hollow earth is constant summer with vegetation all year is like how they wish they can live like that, I must say its a good read for the sake of knowing people have put in so much time to make it believable and gave rise to movies like "Journey to the center of the Earth".

Just a thought, if Russia is keeping this a secret, why did they sent their people (Jew) to Israel not hallow earth a long time ago? or why bother to compete with US in everything while they could have UFO technology? Why the people in hallow Earth want to make contact with the American pilot? So he can be famous but won't allow any evidence to proof it?

" Adolf Hitler and some of his followers escaped to hollow lands within the Earth after World War II via an entrance in Antarctica."
This line sounds like he went to hell aka Hollow Earth, why hollow people accept him or is there all criminals goes. tongue.gif
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Actually, before the movies there are also stories for the old days regarding the "City of Heavens", Chinese in Tibet know it as "Shangri-La" or "Shamballa" and most of nearly all the folk stories are usually the same in different country. Now, how did the story of this underground city is known to all past people? All of them heve different version of city but the same location.. Underground !
But if i were to go there, and could find the hole to inner world. Would i come back and tell you all? The stories states many intresting thing about the inner world.

1.) people goes in there can live longer "Forever".
2.) Technologies are Advance.
3.) No war, Violance and etc.
4.) Will never go hungry.
5.) More relaxed
6.) Everything is free.
7.) Can visit other planets. ( Tour guide to other planets)
8.) Human potential capability "Telepathic" or other is higher.

If everyone know the hole and the stories is true. Ill bet you 100% from India to Africa and other poor nation of poverty and war will go there to seek refuge. So the USA will lose power over almost everything. No people will want to live on the surface anymore. Control MUST be INFORCE !! USA !!
But in Kota Kinabalu, people did spot UFO there but where did it come from? Its going to space meaning there should be a passage way under the Mount Kinabalu via Sea shore line. Just like in Sarawak Caves, there are 180 miles of tunnle system with a large space in it.
Believe it or not, it depends on people..
Like people believe in Solid Earth same as people believed in Hollow Earth and some FLAT EARTH !!! Link to flat earth : http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/i...hp?topic=1324.0


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Actually, before the movies there are also stories for the old days regarding the "City of Heavens", Chinese in Tibet know it as "Shangri-La" or "Shamballa" and most of nearly all the folk stories are usually the same in different country. Now, how did the story of this underground city is known to all past people? All of them heve different version of city but the same location.. Underground !
But if i were to go there, and could find the hole to inner world. Would i come back and tell you all? The stories states many intresting thing about the inner world.

1.) people goes in there can live longer "Forever".
2.) Technologies are Advance.
3.) No war, Violance and etc.
4.) Will never go hungry.
5.) More relaxed
6.) Everything is free.
7.) Can visit other planets. ( Tour guide to other planets)
8.) Human potential capability "Telepathic" or other is higher.

If everyone know the hole and the stories is true. Ill bet you 100% from India to Africa and other poor nation of poverty and war will go there to seek refuge. So the USA will lose power over almost everything. No people will want to live on the surface anymore. Control MUST be INFORCE !! USA !!
But in Kota Kinabalu, people did spot UFO there but where did it come from? Its going to space meaning there should be a passage way under the Mount Kinabalu via Sea shore line. Just like in Sarawak Caves, there are 180 miles of tunnle system with a large space in it.
Believe it or not, it depends on people..
Like people believe in Solid Earth same as people believed in Hollow Earth and some FLAT EARTH !!! Link to flat earth : http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/i...hp?topic=1324.0
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there is a problem with you logic how does US have control on every country in the world, can US stop canada moving into the hole, or the russian, the japanese, the chinese, the aussies?

and since the story have been around for so long, before US even have a large military, how u explain no people have run to the hollow earth, why does the irish dont go there to escape poverty instead of US?
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QUOTE(robertngo @ Sep 20 2010, 09:34 AM)
there is a problem with you logic how does US have control on every country in the world, can US stop canada moving into the hole, or the russian, the japanese, the chinese, the aussies?

and since the story have been around for so long, before US even have a large military, how u explain no people have run to the hollow earth, why does the irish dont go there to escape poverty instead of US?
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In Asia, story of the inner world is told by generation without suppression but in europe, it a different stories.
Like Irish they also subject to certian supression by "Club"

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Actually, before the movies there are also stories for the old days regarding the "City of Heavens", Chinese in Tibet know it as "Shangri-La" or "Shamballa" and most of nearly all the folk stories are usually the same in different country. Now, how did the story of this underground city is known to all past people? All of them heve different version of city but the same location.. Underground !
But if i were to go there, and could find the hole to inner world. Would i come back and tell you all? The stories states many intresting thing about the inner world.

1.) people goes in there can live longer "Forever".
2.) Technologies are Advance.
3.) No war, Violance and etc.
4.) Will never go hungry.
5.) More relaxed
6.) Everything is free.
7.) Can visit other planets. ( Tour guide to other planets)
8.) Human potential capability "Telepathic" or other is higher.

If everyone know the hole and the stories is true. Ill bet you 100% from India to Africa and other poor nation of poverty and war will go there to seek refuge. So the USA will lose power over almost everything. No people will want to live on the surface anymore. Control MUST be INFORCE !! USA !!
But in Kota Kinabalu, people did spot UFO there but where did it come from? Its going to space meaning there should be a passage way under the Mount Kinabalu via Sea shore line. Just like in Sarawak Caves, there are 180 miles of tunnle system with a large space in it.
Believe it or not, it depends on people..
Like people believe in Solid Earth same as people believed in Hollow Earth and some FLAT EARTH !!! Link to flat earth : http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/i...hp?topic=1324.0
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And with this post, we now know the motivation for the TS' obsession with this particular subject. A heaven on earth where the only entrance condition is being able to get there. Unfortunately Shangri-La is a work of fiction created in the 1930s and Shambhala which Shangri-La is based on has a karma related entry method. There's no mention of these places as being underground.
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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 20 2010, 10:04 AM)
In Asia, story of the inner world is told by generation without suppression but in europe, it a different stories. 
Like Irish they also subject to certian supression by "Club"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry
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how can anyone suppress the existence of two gaping hole on the poles? especially the hole on the north pole, there are a lot of human activity here in the last hundred years.

and freemason supressing hollow earth story, the freemason consiparcy theory are just getting more silly by the day.
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And with this post, we now know the motivation for the TS' obsession with this particular subject. A heaven on earth where the only entrance condition is being able to get there. Unfortunately Shangri-La is a work of fiction created in the 1930s and Shambhala which Shangri-La is based on has a karma related entry method. There's no mention of these places as being underground.
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This kind comment (below) is overly to claim earth is hollow.
Don't worth and needless to reply or post any comment, in fact this topic become pointless and only a /k/ talk, or more precise, a fantasy talk instead any related to science.

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1.) people goes in there can live longer "Forever".
2.) Technologies are Advance.
3.) No war, Violance and etc.
4.) Will never go hungry.
5.) More relaxed
6.) Everything is free.
7.) Can visit other planets. ( Tour guide to other planets)
8.) Human potential capability "Telepathic" or other is higher.


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QUOTE(Eventless @ Sep 20 2010, 10:08 AM)
And with this post, we now know the motivation for the TS' obsession with this particular subject. A heaven on earth where the only entrance condition is being able to get there. Unfortunately Shangri-La is a work of fiction created in the 1930s and Shambhala which Shangri-La is based on has a karma related entry method. There's no mention of these places as being underground.
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Im 50/50 with the hollow earth theory. I did paste a few non-hollow earth theory.. correct?

This theory connects with other theory like the UFO, Alien, 2012 and hollow planets. It will be a never ending debate. Even science today are unsure about the inner earth BUT made it 100% "sure" the earth is solid even unexplore just to make a platform or a guideline for future science until its discovery.
Like the fish from dinosaur age they thought and believed to be extinct for million of years but they found it, so not all are discovered even in this mordern time.

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As theory of hollow earth, there are many extinct animals & fish still living in the inner earth. It could be, or by some how. The fish gotten trough to the surface world. hmm.gif


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ScrewBallX, are you going there? You say if means you are not and sounds like it will lead to a money scam paying entire fortune to ensure passage to heaven, otherwise what is your motive since you are not as generous to come back and tell?

QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 20 2010, 09:06 AM)
But if i were to go there, and could find the hole to inner world. Would i come back and tell you all? The stories states many intresting thing about the inner world.

The characteristic of heaven:
1.) people goes in there can live longer "Forever".
2.) Technologies are Advance.
3.) No war, Violance and etc.
4.) Will never go hungry.
5.) More relaxed
6.) Everything is free.
7.) Can visit other planets. ( Tour guide to other planets)
8.) Human potential capability "Telepathic" or other is higher.

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Goodness, Hollow Earth & Flat Earth cult. Seems like a form of power with devoted members, obviously this thread here is to acquire some new believers and it should be monitored. From Flat Earth forum:
Q: "Why has this site not been shut down by the government?"
A: Not enough people take this site seriously for it to be perceived as a threat by those involved in the Conspiracy. Shutting it down, however, might open them up to suspicion.


Everything has a balance like science & fiction, logic or nonsense. After so many years, in science, any claim can be proven with formula then pseudoscience which is based on believe and twist some facts from science as evidence, luckily we have educated people than anarchy. If anyone is accepted into hollow Earth, why don't they come back to tell the truth and put an end to suffering, conspiracy and so on? So what is your true motive?

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QUOTE(3dassets @ Sep 20 2010, 11:49 AM)
ScrewBallX, are you going there? You say if means you are not and sounds like it will lead to a money scam paying entire fortune to ensure passage to heaven, otherwise what is your motive since you are not as generous to come back and tell?
Goodness, Hollow Earth & Flat Earth cult. Seems like a form of power with devoted members, obviously this thread here is to acquire some new believers and it should be monitored. From Flat Earth forum:
Q: "Why has this site not been shut down by the government?"
A: Not enough people take this site seriously for it to be perceived as a threat by those involved in the Conspiracy.  Shutting it down, however, might open them up to suspicion.


Everything has a balance like science & fiction, logic or nonsense. After so many years, in science, any claim can be proven with formula then pseudoscience which is based on believe and twist some facts from science as evidence, luckily we have educated people than anarchy. If anyone is accepted into hollow Earth, why don't they come back to tell the truth and put an end to suffering, conspiracy and so on? So what is your true motive?
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The flat earthers would go for the throats of hollow earthers and we should let them slug it out. You can't have flat and hollow at the same time. It will be entertaining to watch.
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QUOTE(SpikeMarlene @ Sep 20 2010, 04:49 PM)
The flat earthers would go for the throats of hollow earthers and we should let them slug it out. You can't have flat and hollow at the same time. It will be entertaining to watch.
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why not, it can just be converted to the world is on the flat surface but it is hollow inside, and alien with ufo live inside it laugh.gif
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QUOTE(robertngo @ Sep 20 2010, 05:16 PM)
why not, it can just be converted to the world is on the flat surface but it is hollow inside, and alien with ufo live inside it  laugh.gif
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It can, with the inner sun smacked right at the flat pancake center. How thick you want the pancake to be? so that the inner sun does bulge out too much smile.gif
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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 20 2010, 09:06 AM)
Actually, before the movies there are also stories for the old days regarding the "City of Heavens", Chinese in Tibet know it as "Shangri-La" or "Shamballa" and most of nearly all the folk stories are usually the same in different country. Now, how did the story of this underground city is known to all past people? All of them heve different version of city but the same location.. Underground !
But if i were to go there, and could find the hole to inner world. Would i come back and tell you all? The stories states many intresting thing about the inner world.

1.) people goes in there can live longer "Forever".
2.) Technologies are Advance.
3.) No war, Violance and etc.
4.) Will never go hungry.
5.) More relaxed
6.) Everything is free.
7.) Can visit other planets. ( Tour guide to other planets)
8.) Human potential capability "Telepathic" or other is higher.

If everyone know the hole and the stories is true. Ill bet you 100% from India to Africa and other poor nation of poverty and war will go there to seek refuge. So the USA will lose power over almost everything. No people will want to live on the surface anymore. Control MUST be INFORCE !! USA !!
But in Kota Kinabalu, people did spot UFO there but where did it come from? Its going to space meaning there should be a passage way under the Mount Kinabalu via Sea shore line. Just like in Sarawak Caves, there are 180 miles of tunnle system with a large space in it.
Believe it or not, it depends on people..
Like people believe in Solid Earth same as people believed in Hollow Earth and some FLAT EARTH !!! Link to flat earth : http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/i...hp?topic=1324.0
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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 20 2010, 10:04 AM)
In Asia, story of the inner world is told by generation without suppression but in europe, it a different stories. 
Like Irish they also subject to certian supression by "Club"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry
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The problem lies on you, not the hollow earth theory.

You are just thinking all about those US suppressing people, Illunati, Freemasons or whatever fantasy. You have no hard evidence at all, other than accusing US/Free Masons/hollowearth/shit/poo/rubbish when you have nothing to say.

Seriously, people like you degrade the whole section to a fantasy talk subforum. Go and get a

QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 20 2010, 11:32 AM)
This kind comment (below) is overly to claim earth is hollow.
Don't worth and needless to reply or post any comment, in fact this topic become pointless and only a /k/ talk, or more precise, a fantasy talk instead any related to science.
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Please close the thread as TS gonna blame everything on US now on why hollow earth doesnt exist.

QUOTE(3dassets @ Sep 20 2010, 11:49 AM)
Everything has a balance like science & fiction, logic or nonsense. After so many years, in science, any claim can be proven with formula then pseudoscience which is based on believe and twist some facts from science as evidence, luckily we have educated people than anarchy. If anyone is accepted into hollow Earth, why don't they come back to tell the truth and put an end to suffering, conspiracy and so on? So what is your true motive?
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Sorry to say this, but my nonsense meter has gone way too high for me.

The amount of nonsense is enough for me for a whole year.
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The amount of nonsense is enough for me for a whole year.
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Good for you. The Hollow earth theory is full of nonsense for you. But still you reply in this theads and demanding it to stop, i wonder what tip your scale since there are other theads that is way over the nonsense scale or even to mine?

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"Think about its round shape. It was centrifugal force that sculpted the Earth, and all the planets. That force was greater at the equators, so they all bulge at the equators. Going towards the poles, that force would have progressively diminished, such that the outline of the planets would have gradually inclined inwards until, at the poles, there would have been no curvature. The crust at the poles would be very thin because the centrifugal force at the poles would have been very little; the matter there would have slid down and concentrated itself at equator and reinforced the crust there.

As the outer crust cooled, any pent up force within the planet would have most likely expressed itself by blowing out through the axial (polar) points and would have formed openings. (Our planet has polar openings) This seems to be what is indicated by the huge, crater-like depressions at the tops of the planets which we can observe. The outer rim or collar of such openings could be a tell-tale sign of such an outburst from the interior which happened long, long ago during the formative stages.
What hollow earth proponents are saying is that the same force which sculpted the outer shape of the planets, that centrifugal force, would have had to have opened up a cavity within the planets, too. The force could not have had such a dramatic impact on the exterior shape and curve of the planets, with no cavity opening up at the core. Because the centrigfugal force was not evenly distributed, the interior cavity would have the shape of a football or rugby ball, with the points edging towards the poles.

The cavity of our Earth can’t have a liquid interior. If it had, the tidal force exerted by the Moon would have induced the liquid interior to bust through any crust just as soon as such crust could have formed by
cooling.

And it can’t be full of molten lava because the Earth has a magnetic field. The magnetic fields touch the poles and the Earth serves as a conductor to close the circuit. If the inner core of the Earth had the temperatures which the Molten Core Theory stipulates that it does, then any magnetic properties would be lost as heat destroys magnetism. And it doesn’t take too much heat- this point is called the Curie Point. So the existence of the Earth’s magnetic field indicates that the core is not molten nor hot." - Hollow theoriest


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"Mammoth Cave in Kentucky, for example, has been mapped so far with around 397 miles lengthwise burrowed beneath the Earth. A single ceiling collapse or missed cavern could lead to another 500 miles going even deeper down. And with the incredible lack of knowledge we have of the Earth's interior there could easily be hundreds or thousands of systems like it throughout the Earth. Is this not a possible hollow Earth scenario? And with hundreds of miles unexplored, there's no telling the number of species that have yet to be discovered. What could possibly be dwelling in the rocks far beneath the Earth at our very feet?

It's a common misperception that the Earth is rigidly explored beneath its surface. And yet miners discover natural cave formations with surprising frequency. Sinkholes swallow entire buildings and reach deep into the Earth suggesting there are large pockets of hollow area waiting to be explored. And for every square mile on the surface of the planet there are on average thirty miles of potential exploration going down. When we take this into consideration, the total area of Earth's crust is less than one percent fully explored with untold treasures and adventures to be had lurking beneath our feet." - Cave people


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one of the "USA cave rules & regulation"

(7) About secrecy. Speleologists all over the world are obliged to struggle actively for the protection of interesting caves, though the direct aims of military actions may vary. First, these actions are directed against an obvious vandalism that is a major problem; second, they are directed against mining projects, as in the case of Cupp-Coutunn; third, against ill conceived commercial projects in caves (mainly in the USA) fourth, against cattle-breeders, who regard caves as natural traps for rams (in England). Strange as it may seem, the most widespread and universal weapon is a primitive secrecy. Under our conditions, when there is no legislation on the protection of caves, depredation prospers, though recently its center has changed from open vandalism to unadvertent savage tourism. In this case, the protection of caves may be only in the conservation of the most interesting parts until better times. In some caves and particularly, in the Cupp-Coutunn System, these times have already appeared on the horizon, but not yet in other caves. Nevertheless, even in the Cupp-Coutunn System, the most interesting places have to be kept in a strong management of conservation. The passes in the caves are not marked on maps, and in some cases the survey of the pass is not carried out. The passes are closed by artificial blockages opened only during visits by an expedition. Naturally, all these measures will not be necessary after the appearance of serious guarantees of protection; until those times, the preservation of caves is upon the consciences of investigators, and secrecy is the best way.


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"Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better."
Albert Einstein


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Another piece of evidence pointing towards the theory that all heavenly bodies are hollow is that, as you would expect with a hollow sphere, both the Earth and our moon are known to "ring like a bell" when hit with a shock wave.

In "Moongate: Suppressed findings of The US Space Program" (1982), Nuclear Engineer and researcher/writer William L. Brian II presents evidence proving that the moon, as any hollow sphere would, "rings" when hit by asteroids or heavy space junk. And that's not all. According to Dr. Brian, "the evidence provided by Apollo seismic experiments
also points to the conclusion that the moon is hollow and relatively rigid."

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Thread too long sorry. Yes I believe that theres a hot core inside our earth but no one ever dig the earth deep enough to reach the other side ie. china to America.
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erm...not bad got sometink to read now...cheers bro
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The above links was in the earlier pages, you guys missed? The replies about it is there.

ScrewBallX, are you going there? You say if means you are not and sounds like it will lead to a money scam paying entire fortune to ensure passage to heaven, otherwise what is your motive since you are not as generous to come back and prove us stupid?

You just hope to find your kind by pretending to be neutral at first asking for debate but turned out pasting aged old articles, this PhD section abides the science that hypothesize, formulate and materialize that gave rise to civilization with all the technological products, it is your everyday life.

Inner Earth gave us nothing and such creative writings may fool a lot of people who don't form their own opinion, people of the sphere world (real world) offer you explanation but fantasy is what you live for in the expense of the real world. without the real world internet, your kind have to send paper mails to gather fools and your entire life is passage to HEAVEN, most real world people desire heaven but after death. Your kind want to go there alive, to reach there require a lot of money and you want to gather as many fools as possible to lower the cost if not scam them into paying for your efforts to spread the believe, you loose nothing if it never materialize.


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Well, perhaps the interior of our planet earth might just well be hollow indeed; as depicted in such a very determined manner by TS & the articles. However, I am still finding it all very hard to believe that there is (currently) indeed another world of civilization living in full swing beneath our feet right now... but locked up within the depths of our earth.. + With an interior sun/black hole suspended about in the centre emptiness of our planet and orbiting the sun together in perfect gravitational synchronization as well?? shakehead.gif Then what would actually happen if one of the advance inner civilizations launches a rocket, space shutter, or ICBM (missile) up into their inner space/sky..?? Would their rockets end up hitting the inner sun? Or would their rockets end up orbiting the inner surface of our earth in a concave manner?? Or would their rockets travel to the other side in a straight line and smash into the bottom of our crust??? How does the logic of gravity works/applies inside the inner world in relation to its civilizations and activities (such as flying a plane, driving a car, building a structure, or launching a rocket from their inner surface into their inner space etc)..? How would buildings/structure of the inner world stand in relation to the logic of our earth's gravity?

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Inner Earth have no telescope but developed such advance technology sending UFO through the pole doors and they don't communicate with their surface neighbor. Clearly they look down on us or they have something to hide,perhaps they are our after life, that is why only those who stumble into it before their time are sent back. Since the logic contradict with our science, they are not concern at all.
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All these dubious psuedo-science hypothesis or wild speculations have disappearing tricks built-in. They only give tantalizing hints, bits and peices to bait your interest, so when you look really hard at it, it disappears, to be replaced by some other tantalizing hints. So it lures you round and round, fuel your curiosity but as we are all frequently in need of coffee shop small talks, some are addicted hardcore forumers, this is not too bad a diversion. What if hollow earth is actually designed by some advanced space alien, seeded some low scumbag lifeforms on it's surface but after millions of years, evolve into pesky human!
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QUOTE(3dassets @ Sep 22 2010, 08:47 PM)
Inner Earth have no telescope but developed such advance technology sending UFO through the pole doors and they don't communicate with their surface neighbor. Clearly they look down on us or they have something to hide,perhaps they are our after life, that is why only those who stumble into it before their time are sent back. Since the logic contradict with our science, they are not concern at all.
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Everyone likes logic in an answer but when the saw UFO, the question is..

1. Are we alone in this universe?
2. How do they defy gravity?
3. how they move in the speed of light?
4. what fuel their UFO?

So there is no logic to the answer above but statement, dancing light and blured picture.

Now, how do this visitor come here with great number and vanish into thin air? To accomodate this visitor require big land mass. If moon, you will see them almost everyday flying in and out of the crater with your big telescope. How about their food supply? surley they need to eat. Logic added... when out of the solar system or inner sun.
I dont see why people accept the UFO, 2012 and other but strongly against the hollow earth theory. Some people say scam in to going the north pole but people always have way to go there via caves. Pole is not the only way in.
Now there are frequent UFO sightings around the world.. you should notice that appearence of UFO is mostly around mountain area or closest to the mountain area. If you see the geography of the area, surely you can come across caves available or hidden.




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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 22 2010, 10:39 PM)
Everyone likes logic in an answer but when the saw UFO, the question is..

1. Are we alone in this universe?
2. How do they defy gravity?
3. how they move in the speed of light?
4. what fuel their UFO?

So there is no logic to the answer above but statement, dancing light and blured picture.

Now, how do this visitor come here with great number and vanish into thin air? To accomodate this visitor require big land mass. If moon, you will see them almost everyday flying in and out of the crater with your big telescope. How about their food supply? surley they need to eat. Logic added... when out of the solar system or inner sun.
I dont see why people accept the UFO, 2012 and other but strongly against the hollow earth theory. Some people say scam in to going the north pole but people always have way to go there via caves. Pole is not the only way in.
Now there are frequent UFO sightings around the world.. you should notice that appearence of UFO is mostly around mountain area or closest to the mountain area. If you see the geography of the area, surely you can come across caves available or hidden.
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But the problem is not one UFO sighting can be conclusively shown to be real. Most of them are not and some of them with inconclusive findings are left to the wide interpretation of anyone who really took a closer look at these reported cases. Again it appears as if UFO is on just as shaky ground as the hollow earth theory.
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Now, how do this visitor come here with great number and vanish into thin air? To accomodate this visitor require big land mass. If moon, you will see them almost everyday flying in and out of the crater with your big telescope. How about their food supply? surley they need to eat. Logic added... when out of the solar system or inner sun.
How do you know they come with great number, what food they eat? So many telescope looking at the moon but anyone reported seeing UFO? provide the article your read.

I dont see why people accept the UFO, 2012 and other but strongly against the hollow earth theory.
People are only curious about ET from other planet not that it suggest HEAVEN on Earth, 2012 is an ancient prophecy / curse / prediction because the purpose of our existence is unknown and it only become something of concern ever since the save the Earth campaign, before that, who cares.

Some people say scam in to going the north pole but people always have way to go there via caves. Pole is not the only way in. Now there are frequent UFO sightings around the world.. you should notice that appearence of UFO is mostly around mountain area or closest to the mountain area. If you see the geography of the area, surely you can come across caves available or hidden.
Your pole door is a poor entrance theory and not all UFO sightings begin and end at mountains where caves are. Obviously, your knowledge of everything is very shallow to question science like a child. Assuming UFO are true, it may not carry lifeforms and the shape suggest a remote controlled probe instead. Science is here to fine answers not to look for HEAVEN where there is nothing to work on. You need something to occupy your mind much like some people need religion, you don't know why you are born but wish to go to heaven because you don't like this world.

1. Are we alone in this universe?
There are probabilities and plenty of assumptions about it.

2. How do they defy gravity?
Technology, who are we ordinary people to ask how? Not like you can think of an answer.

3. how they move in the speed of light?
What suggest the UFO travel at light speed just because now you see and then its gone?

4. what fuel their UFO?
Must fuel be the only source of power?

1.) people goes in there can live longer "Forever".
You want to live forever? How many marriages you desire? What about over population or you don't reproduce but what do you live for if you won't die?

2.) Technologies are Advance.
You are stuck with current time better then your parent and your children will live in a more advanced environment.

3.) No war, Violance and etc.
War in any form is the process to determine who get to say right & wrong, live or die, what is yours or mine and created current law & order. No end to it.

4.) Will never go hungry.
Survival of the fittest or just luck.

5.) More relaxed
You choose how you want to live, no one can stop you from relaxing.

6.) Everything is free.
Who make everything and give it for free? You mean you can just take anything you want? You are useless and don't deserve to live forever.

7.) Can visit other planets. ( Tour guide to other planets)
You mean Planetary vacation? since you won't die and what happen after you have done everything, visited all the planets?

8.) Human potential capability "Telepathic" or other is higher.
If everybody can do that, it is as ordinary as everyone have a pair of hands, you only wish you have it now.


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hehe,,,,,
so funny look at the picture you post the 1st column...
logically,,
depend on the picture..
it must be no night if the sun is located the center of earth..
and not happen day and night...
al-quran elaborate all..smile.gif
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QUOTE(macho_siot @ Sep 28 2010, 12:21 PM)
hehe,,,,,
so funny look at the picture you post the 1st column...
logically,,
depend on the picture..
it must be no night if the sun is located the center of earth..
and not happen day and night...
al-quran elaborate all..smile.gif
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You meant that quran has a theory for hollow earth? Or quran has a theory for night and day?
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bought a book and found an extremely suitable description for you!
quote by Nobel laureate Steven Weinberg:

'At the other end of the spectrum are the opponents of reductionism who are appalled by what they feel to be the bleakness of the modern science. To whatever extent they and their world can be reduced to a matter of particles or fields and their interactions, they feel diminished by that knowledge....I would not try to answer these critics with a pep talk about the beauties of modern science. The reductionist worldview is chilling and impersonal. it has to be accepted as it is, not because we like it, but because that is the way the world works.'
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QUOTE(KeNGZ @ Oct 3 2010, 02:16 AM)
bought a book and found an extremely suitable description for you!
quote by Nobel laureate Steven Weinberg:

'At the other end of the spectrum are the opponents of reductionism who are appalled by what they feel to be the bleakness of the modern science. To whatever extent they and their world can be reduced to a matter of particles or fields and their interactions, they feel diminished by that knowledge....I would not try to answer these critics with a pep talk about the beauties of modern science. The reductionist worldview is chilling and impersonal. it has to be accepted as it is, not because we like it, but because that is the way the world works.'
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Great quote!
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It's not commonly heard that there's underworld. there's no backup too the underworld don't exists.

other than humans, there's other creatures on sea, land and grounds. however does that covers all the mysteries unfold? there's still more of mystery creatures to be discovered.

from some prophecies and traditions, there's still strange creatures to come out from hidden places. Thus, other dimension or space than Earth isn't impossible.
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Make it sound possible then.
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QUOTE(light_type @ Nov 16 2010, 07:03 PM)
It's not commonly heard that there's underworld. there's no backup too the underworld don't exists.

other than humans, there's other creatures on sea, land and grounds. however does that covers all the mysteries unfold? there's still more of mystery creatures to be discovered.

from some prophecies and traditions, there's still strange creatures to come out from hidden places. Thus, other dimension or space than Earth isn't impossible.
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what strange creatures have come out of hidden places??

please provide evidence when you want people to believe in something.
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There are holes on the poles and having hole on Arctic obviously the ocean continues on other side of the hole in inner earth.

Dimension of the holes are :inner span(center of the hole)is 95 NM wide and the diameter of the rim or the start of downward curvature is 1400 NM cca.
Earth crust close to the poles is 1050 NM thick.

Why we do not see those holes on many images from the space?
Firstly because there are not available high resolution images for great public(Google Earth etc)
Even if good photo of polar regions is seen by inexperienced eye hardly any hole will be distinguished.The center of the hole is always covered by thick cloudiness(temperature diff) and the passage of earth curvature to hole curvature is so slight that hardly visible.Example is down bellow:

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and our planet's cross sections is probably as shown down bellow except that most probably the thickness of the crust in equatorial region is bigger:

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How can a junk thread like this lasts 13 pages? @_@

For the sake of argument and constructive post, why didn't the earth surface/crust crumble due to gravity? Since if it is hollow hence there will be no support for the crust, the down force would've pull the crust to eventually crumble and fall.
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That's explained somewhere within the 13 pages of text. Something about centrifugal force keeping the structure stable.

The reason why this thread expanded to such a length is due to the thread starter's faith that there exists a paradise within the planet. A place where people don't get sick, old and such. Since he doesn't have the means to prove such a thing, he hoped to get more believers so they can start an expedition to find this place and live there. The thread more or less died after that was pointed out.

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QUOTE(~lynn~ @ Jan 1 2011, 12:48 PM)
How can a junk thread like this lasts 13 pages? @_@

For the sake of argument and constructive post, why didn't the earth surface/crust crumble due to gravity? Since if it is hollow hence there will be no support for the crust, the down force would've pull the crust to eventually crumble and fall.
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Look at the design LYNN.The space is on outside and inner side of the globe so the pressure is equal.The mass of the crust has its own gravity and inner sun which definitely much denser own gravity.

In primordial time of formation of any planet there were gases and elements rotating and centripetal and centrifugal forces at work.Heavy elements remained at center forming the core,lighter elements were expulsed off that center due centrifugal force.On those lighter elements however at work also centripetal or gravity force of heavy center core.At some distance from the center those two forces were equal opposite where the lighter elements were imprisoned and formed the crust.The forces of rotation on those lighter elements were least in the axis and no elements were imprisoned there and holes were formed.
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What prevent ships from the inner earth from sail through the s hole? Got clouds or not? Got tornado? Earth quake? What about solar flare? won't get over heat meh?
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QUOTE(CDP @ Jan 1 2011, 03:25 AM)
There are holes on the poles and having hole on Arctic obviously the ocean continues on other side of the hole in inner earth.

Dimension of the holes are :inner span(center of the hole)is 95 NM wide and the diameter of the rim or the start of downward curvature is 1400 NM cca.
Earth crust close to the poles is 1050 NM thick.

Why we do not see those holes on many images from the space?
Firstly because there are not available high resolution images for great public(Google Earth etc)
Even if good photo of polar regions is seen by inexperienced eye hardly any hole will be distinguished.The center of the hole is always covered by thick cloudiness(temperature diff) and the passage of earth curvature to hole curvature is so slight that hardly visible.Example is down bellow:

user posted image

and our planet's cross sections is probably as shown down bellow except that most probably the thickness of the crust in equatorial region is bigger:

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if there is holes in the poles why have all the water in the ocean not gone inside the hollow earth already?
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if there is holes in the poles why have all the water in the ocean not gone inside the hollow earth already?
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just because there's an a hole there, doesn't mean it's empty. If the theory is true, then sea water would be both inside and outside of the crust.
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just because there's an a hole there, doesn't mean it's empty. If the theory is true, then sea water would be both inside and outside of the crust.
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let assume the water filling the hole, does the water move around? if it does, it will have major effect on sea current.

if there is not water filling the hole then the air current from the hollow earth would have affect the climate pattern on our side.

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QUOTE(Alone @ Jan 2 2011, 10:18 PM)
just because there's an a hole there, doesn't mean it's empty. If the theory is true, then sea water would be both inside and outside of the crust.
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So marine creatures can swim through loh? Maybe the dinosaurs are there too ah? TS says Hitler went there too, I wonder who else.
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QUOTE(Eventless @ Jan 1 2011, 01:47 PM)
That's explained somewhere within the 13 pages of text. Something about centrifugal force keeping the structure stable.

The reason why this thread expanded to such a length is due to the thread starter's faith that there exists a paradise within the planet. A place where people don't get sick, old and such. Since he doesn't have the means to prove such a thing, he hoped to get more believers so they can start an expedition to find this place and live there. The thread more or less died after that was pointed out.
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I suppose that would be my prerogative to read all 13 pages firstly. I would, really, if the topic was well initiated and there is some sense in it.
Pardon me, as I remember previously, PhD School (when it was a standalone subforum) was flooded with myths and psychological and ghosts and metaphysics thread. I went ahead to assume this was another of such thread.
The blame is mine to take for assuming things too quickly.

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Look at the design LYNN.The space is on outside and inner side of the globe so the pressure is equal.The mass of the crust has its own gravity  and inner sun which definitely much denser own gravity.

In primordial time of formation of any planet there were gases and elements rotating and centripetal and centrifugal forces at work.Heavy elements remained at center forming the core,lighter elements were expulsed off that center due centrifugal force.On those lighter elements however at work also centripetal or gravity force of heavy center core.At some distance from the center those two forces were equal opposite where the lighter elements were imprisoned and formed the crust.The forces of rotation on those lighter elements were least in the axis and no elements were imprisoned there and holes were formed.
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1. Earth's rpm is not that great to 'fling' off lighter elements to great distance. EVEN IF it is able to fling them off, this would mean the flung mass is very small compared to the core. Thus, effect of gravitational force of flung-mass towards the core would be almost negligible. With that, I'm not so convinced if there would be a gravitational balance point to support the crust.

2. If rotational force is least at the axis, why would the distribution of flung-mass i.e. outer shape of crust be almost spherical? By your logic, rotational force would be maximum at the equator, hence the Earth should be almost of ellipsis shape (fact is, Earth IS slightly off spherical).

3. Lastly, if at all there were such finding, why wasn't it revealed? Political interests? Religion issues? Monetary gain? Secret training base for the Aryan race?

I'm sorry but I'm still very skeptical about this.

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How come the inner earth got opposite gravity? centrifugal fling flung force it to counter the outer earth? Screwballx change name to CDP?
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No idea. Maybe inner earth rotates clockwise while outer earth rotates at counterclockwise. Or maybe their rotational axis are perpendicular to each other. Or maybe Magneto lives in inner earth. XD
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if there is holes in the poles why have all the water in the ocean not gone inside the hollow earth already?
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There are two great masses which produce gravity in inner earth.
The crust and it's center of gravity which is at cca one third of it's thickness.Therefor the water down the hole and in the inner earth are held by gravity perpendicular to its surface.Definitely there is an exchange of the air and the water currents through the holes.Most of the icebergs on both poles are the produce of that exchange of water currents.
The other big mass in the underworld is inner sun,which is of much bigger density and therefor gravity force, than the crust. That inner sun's gravity has it's effect on the surface of inner crust in such a way to diminish crust's own gravity in inner lands.
Holding in mind the above mentioned we have to conclude, that due to lower gravity, in inner lands everything is bigger:mountains,flora and fauna and eventual but most probable people living there.

By the way I am not SBX
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QUOTE(CDP @ Jan 1 2011, 04:11 PM)
Look at the design LYNN.The space is on outside and inner side of the globe so the pressure is equal.The mass of the crust has its own gravity  and inner sun which definitely much denser own gravity.

In primordial time of formation of any planet there were gases and elements rotating and centripetal and centrifugal forces at work.Heavy elements remained at center forming the core,lighter elements were expulsed off that center due centrifugal force.On those lighter elements however at work also centripetal or gravity force of heavy center core.At some distance from the center those two forces were equal opposite where the lighter elements were imprisoned and formed the crust.The forces of rotation on those lighter elements were least in the axis and no elements were imprisoned there and holes were formed.
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The are a couple of holes with your theory on pressure maintaining the structure of your hollow earth. Have you seen a balloon hold it's shape if its opening was not sealed? You have a hole at each of the planet's poles.

Centrifugal force may explain how a hollow structure can be maintained. It can't explain how it can form a hollow shell. While it is possible for elements to enter a stable orbit around a forming planet, it is very unlikely in this case for a few reasons.

The item orbiting the planet would have to have an exact velocity at a perpendicular angle to the planet. Too slow and it falls into the planet. Too fast and it leaves orbit. Have the wrong angle, the item will either fall onto the planet or fly into space. The odds of entering a stable orbit isn't that good.

In a forming planet, the mass of the planet increases overtime. Items previously in orbit will fall into the planet as their velocity will not be sufficient to provide the centrifugal force needed to remain in orbit. This will add more mass to the planet. Resulting in more items falling out of orbit and so on. As the planet continues to get larger, it starts having an atmosphere as its gravity is capable of holding gas molecules on it surface. An atmosphere causes air friction to anything that moves within it. This results in more items falling onto the planet.

The Sun or stars are made of hydrogen. The lightest element in the universe. Based on the reasons above, hydrogen would probably be the last elements to be captured by a planet. This makes it very unlikely for the planet to have a core made of hydrogen. No hydrogen, no mini sun.

Naturally occurring mini suns don't exists for a reason. A star can only have a fusion reaction if its gravity is sufficient to cause hydrogen atoms to fuse. You can fill around a hundred earth inside our sun. Gas giants like Jupiter have the necessary elements for a star but it's still not big enough for fusion to occur.
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I think I can relate and agree more with Eventless' arguments. smile.gif

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hollow earth supporter read this

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/01/...tok-antarctica/

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Drill Close to Reaching 14-Million-Year-Old Antarctic Lake
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hollow earth supporter read this

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/01/...tok-antarctica/

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Drill Close to Reaching 14-Million-Year-Old Antarctic Lake
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wow.. that is really something to shed light into the hollow earth theory..

before this i thought its all bullshit and fantasy created by TS because all the arguments are maybe this and maybe that..

but now i kinda start to agree abit just like agreeing on 2012
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i don't get the significance of how finding an underground lake would relate to the hollow theory.
there are plenty of underground lakes throughout the earth...
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this theory sounds interesting..
it seems possible but more evidence needed.
I will try to study this
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Yeah, interesting to find Hitler went there says (screw your ballx), go find out but don't us tell if its actually hell. That is why Hitler never come back.
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how about the day and night phenomenon?
even the globe is rotating,,it is obvious that some of place didn`t receive any ray of sun,,,
from the attached hollow globe picture,,if the globe rotates,logically,,the internal hollow will be the night and some of side will be day because of sun...
but,,the how about the other side?
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No other side, only summer and resemble hell, burning all eternally. That is why Hitler went there. smile.gif But (screw your ballx) says its end of suffering and such to tempt people like devil's advocate.
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i don't get the significance of how finding an underground lake would relate to the hollow theory.
there are plenty of underground lakes throughout the earth...
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Those oil field, NG field also an underground lake, just filled with hydrocarbon instead of water.
What so surprise with underground lake?
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How is this, a crackpot theory a scientific discussion...
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From the picture given here, i wonder where is the location of the larva?
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How is this, a crackpot theory a scientific discussion...
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Because there are cock science invented to make fantasy believable, so the real science will proof it wrong. it has been buried but you know cockers won't give up that easily.
Larva may just be like the sea water that link to both side loh, it is called hell juice I presume.

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another thing,
if the central sun's gravity that pulls us to the ground, then the city from the other hollow side seems impossible to exist. I mean the central sun's gravity will pull and suck all the people to the sun..
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How come the inner earth got opposite gravity? centrifugal fling flung force it to counter the outer earth? Screwballx change name to CDP?
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No idea. Maybe inner earth rotates clockwise while outer earth rotates at counterclockwise. Or maybe their rotational axis are perpendicular to each other. Or maybe Magneto lives in inner earth. XD
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and...
refer to goggle earth..
how the satellite can capture picture from above?
if there are still country `inside` the hollow..

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this a a trip to antarctica, no gapping in the ground was found

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wow this is an insult to geologist and physicist working so hard to probe interior of earth by waves. =x and why doesnt it collapse inwards due to gravity?
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It wasn't too long ago that people thought the earth was flat.

I would think that this hollow earth theory is similar to the earth is flat theory.
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QUOTE(hazairi @ Jan 14 2011, 04:56 PM)
another thing,
if the central sun's gravity that pulls us to the ground, then the city from the other hollow side seems impossible to exist. I mean the central sun's gravity will pull and suck all the people to the sun..
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mass of the crust has its gravity and pulls towards it in inner earth same as outer,just the opposite way.That inner gravity is somewhat reduced due to inner sun gravity which also partly increases the gravity on our side of the crust.Due to lesser gravity inside everything is bigger like mountains flora and fauna as well as humans from interior.


Added on February 28, 2011, 9:16 amROBERTNGO.
there is no any polar station on Antarctica.
Actually Scott-Amundsen polar station is not on the pole but on the rim of the hole as other important station on Antarctica like McMurdo,Vostok,Winson and Weddel.


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Cant really go through all the pages, and I personally hate it when the religion comes into science. No offense.

This case, you can post hundred thousands of reasons to state, " This allegation/hypotheses is true !" BUT in a scientific manner," I only need ONE reason to says this is a stupid."

Gravity answered it all. As it was explained briefly by ScrewballX. The guy with the diary must be a nut job, and if all these all true, then all those geologist and physicists must had gone crazy as well.

Go read the formation of a planet. And you will know all this reading are for fun and fiction.




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Interesting thread, I've read through all pages........ If this 'hole' is true, I dunno what to say


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Cant really go through all the pages, and I personally hate it when the religion comes into science. No offense.

This case, you can post hundred thousands of reasons to state, " This allegation/hypotheses is true !" BUT in a scientific manner," I only need ONE reason to says this is a stupid."

Gravity answered it all. As it was explained briefly by ScrewballX. The guy with the diary must be a nut job, and if all these all true, then all those geologist and physicists must had gone crazy as well.

Go read the formation of a planet. And you will know all this reading are for fun and fiction.
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idea- theory- action- answer....

Example: ancient ppl don't believe that human can fly...but Wilbur Wright and Orville Wright make it reality....

The'r not crazy...ppl who can invent the TV box also based on the theory first....

"wah...how can human tranfer to box" r u nut????...

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QUOTE(CDP @ Feb 28 2011, 09:05 AM)
mass of the crust has its gravity and pulls towards it in inner earth same as outer,just the opposite way.That inner gravity is somewhat reduced due to inner sun gravity which also partly increases the gravity on our side of the crust.Due to lesser gravity inside everything is bigger like mountains flora and fauna as well as humans from interior.


Added on February 28, 2011, 9:16 amROBERTNGO.
there is no any polar station on Antarctica.
Actually Scott-Amundsen polar station is not on the pole but on the rim of the hole as other important station on Antarctica like McMurdo,Vostok,Winson and Weddel.
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Ok... even if we're assuming that the crust does have enough mass to sustain that much gravitational pull, why did it form a "crusty" shape instead of becoming ball shaped? Gravity only pulls in certain directions?

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QUOTE(Tachikoma @ Mar 4 2011, 04:26 PM)
Ok... even if we're assuming that the crust does have enough mass to sustain that much gravitational pull, why did it form a "crusty" shape instead of becoming ball shaped? Gravity only pulls in certain directions?
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For the sake of supporting the funny physics, the crust is where positive & negative gravity meet. Volcano erupts on our side to regulate inner heat, sort of like their back side loh. No wonder people say hell is under ground, like put in jail.
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Hello All, I have return after a period of long sleep. Im just gone to catch up with the theads and add new insights and infos regarding the hollow earth.

Lets start !!

Ok seems to me that its a 50 / 50 believed in Hollow earth theory. Meaning that some of you are still curious what is actually underneath us and some of you are sceptical.
Over the years goverment wants to keep us from believing the hollow earth theory and they cook up some scientific ways to explain the unexplainable. Until now no one is sure, so they have met their target. Confusion, same as the UFO theory but some already expose the UFO theory as real but still govement kept it at bay and saying it was a flare from plane and so forth. But im not towards the sky but more to our earth side.
So, now its the end of 2011, more facts about our earth is reveal daily but still keep under close supervison of the goverment.
I will answer some theads left unchecked over the months of my absent.


Added on December 29, 2011, 8:28 pmHere is the intresting part. Its regarding the Sub going to hollow earth and did send a letter back.

This is the site : http://www.ourhollowearth.com/GermanU-209.htm



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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Dec 29 2011, 08:22 PM)
Hello All, I have return after a period of long sleep. Im just gone to catch up with the theads and add new insights and infos regarding the hollow earth.

Lets start !!

Ok seems to me that its a 50 / 50 believed in Hollow earth theory. Meaning that some of you are still curious what is actually underneath us and some of you are sceptical.
Over the years goverment wants to keep us from believing the hollow earth theory and they cook up some scientific ways to explain the unexplainable. Until now no one is sure, so they have met their target. Confusion, same as the UFO theory but some already expose the UFO theory as real but still govement kept it at bay and saying it was a flare from plane and so forth. But im not towards the sky but more to our earth side.
So, now its the end of 2011, more facts about our earth is reveal daily but still keep under close supervison of the goverment.
I will answer some theads left unchecked over the months of my absent.


Added on December 29, 2011, 8:28 pmHere is the intresting part. Its regarding the Sub going to hollow earth and did send a letter back.

This is the site : http://www.ourhollowearth.com/GermanU-209.htm
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I want Hitler's email address please. While the we here are subjected to science, HELL don't "hollow earth lol"
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QUOTE(3dassets @ Jan 2 2012, 01:30 PM)
I want Hitler's email address please. While the we here are subjected to science, HELL don't "hollow earth lol"
If you read the whole theory, NO one is allowed contact outside world after they went in as a part of their "No interferance program". The USA underground goverment wont let this get out. Inner world and outer world is consider 2 different world so you will see US guarding both holes at the North and South pole. Even they screen the internet to stop certian info leaks.

You think US go North pole and claim it as their property and claim it got oil and stuff ? Nope, they wont tell you why. Same like any UFO theory which already proven by so many withness, picture and video clips. Until now it is banned and put in the closet forever.


Added on January 10, 2012, 7:49 amAlright people, lets look this in another way. Since in the times before there were goverment, a lot of people have stories to tell during their travel or encounter. As you know, in the old days, there was no maps, no internet and a lots of stuff we have today but at least there is a story that a lot of people know back then like all simmilar stories they all talk about the world underground which half a globe away was known by them even if they never met.

Take the Eskimo as example, according from their ledgends they arrive from the inner world and move to the outer world where their people stay there.


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QUOTE(3dassets @ Jan 3 2011, 12:06 AM)
So marine creatures can swim through loh? Maybe the dinosaurs are there too ah? TS says Hitler went there too, I wonder who else.
You guess it. No need science to explain what you think.. Unbeliever you are , but i think you believed in it. tongue.gif

Update on 4th Jan 2012

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/01/04/...ear-antarctica/

As you know, there are a lot of underwater volcanoes with vents around the world especially in deep deep sea but still why there are different new species near the Antartics sea ?


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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Jan 10 2012, 07:05 AM)
If you read the whole theory, NO one is allowed contact outside world after they went in as a part of their "No interferance program". The USA underground goverment wont let this get out. Inner world and outer world is consider 2 different world so you will see US guarding both holes at the North and South pole. Even they screen the internet to stop certian info leaks.

You think US go North pole and claim it as their property and claim it got oil and stuff ? Nope, they wont tell you why. Same like any UFO theory which already proven by so many withness, picture and video clips.  Until now it is banned and put in the closet forever.


Added on January 10, 2012, 7:49 amAlright people, lets look this in another way. Since in the times before there were goverment, a lot of people have stories to tell during their travel or encounter. As you know, in the old days, there was no maps, no internet and a lots of stuff we have today but at least there is a story that a lot of people know back then like all simmilar stories they all talk about the world underground which half a globe away was known by them even if they never met.

Take the Eskimo as example, according from their ledgends they arrive from the inner world and move to the outer world where their people stay there.
Enjoy.  tongue.gif


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There's no way the US can have military control over the South Pole due to Antarctic Treaty System. They would need to buy off nearly every country in the world to do so.

If the US was so good at keeping things secrets, Wikileaks wouldn't have existed.

Why not link to the actual source of the article or better yet the legends which the articles is based on?

If that youtube video was any blurrier you could probably make out the loch ness monster on it. These are the kind evidence that get people laughed at. When you add in unknown source,time and place at the youtube page for this video, it loses all credibility. It could be someone's visual effect homework for all we know.


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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Jan 10 2012, 07:05 AM)

Added on January 10, 2012, 9:13 am

You guess it. No need science to explain what you think..  Unbeliever you are , but i think you believed in it.  tongue.gif 

Update on 4th Jan 2012

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/01/04/...ear-antarctica/

As you know, there are a lot of underwater volcanoes with vents around the world especially in deep deep sea but still why there are different new species near the Antartics sea ?
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New species are found all over the world everyday. It does not prove anything in regard to your hollow earth theory.

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Ok for some who say the inside hollow earth could not support due to gravity and water all goes in and etc etc.

This video is about water in space. Do remember that it is the theory we wanted to add in of how the water in zero gravity looks like.




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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Jan 10 2012, 10:10 AM)
Ok for some who say the inside hollow earth could not support due to gravity and water all goes in and etc etc.

This video is about water in space. Do remember that it is the theory we wanted to add in of how the water in zero gravity looks like.

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You can't have zero gravity unless you are at the exact center of the planet. Since there's supposed to be a sun at the center of the planet, this video is not relevant to the discussion.
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QUOTE(Eventless @ Jan 10 2012, 10:25 AM)
You can't have zero gravity unless you are at the exact center of the planet. Since there's supposed to be a sun at the center of the planet, this video is not relevant to the discussion.
I could say your theory of gravity is irrelevent also due to the gravity pull. As you can see the map of the hollow earth. Outer shell, ground to space is how far? Inner gound to space is the same outside.

Unless you know how strong and far the gravity streaches.

From the theory states, the center fill with rich oxygen and zero gravity zone. Thats why the theory of water in space.

P/S - the inner sun IS in the middle.


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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Jan 10 2012, 10:42 AM)
I could say your theory of gravity is irrelevent also due to the gravity pull. As you can see the map of the hollow earth. Outer shell, ground to space is how far? Inner gound to space is the same outside.
 
Unless you know how strong and far the gravity streaches. 

From the theory states, the center fill with rich oxygen and zero gravity zone. Thats why the theory of water in space. 

P/S - the inner sun IS in the middle.
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Center=Middle. Good luck disproving the current theory of gravity, space travel has pretty much confirmed it.

The only way that video can support your hollow earth theory if the bubble would appear naturally at the center of the water blob resulting in a hollow sphere. The bubble had to be added by an outside source meaning that it is not a natural occurrence. If it can't happen to a blob of water, what are the chances of it happening to a planet?


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QUOTE(Eventless @ Jan 10 2012, 11:09 AM)
Center=Middle. Good luck disproving the current theory of gravity, space travel has pretty much confirmed it.

The only way that video can support your hollow earth theory if the bubble would appear naturally at the center of the water blob resulting in a hollow sphere. The bubble had to be added by an outside source meaning that it is not a natural occurrence. If it can't happen to a blob of water, what are the chances of it happening to a planet?
Alas, you dont understand the theory of the water in space. How i wish that water could spin, it would really give me a good insight of things. =.=~




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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Jan 10 2012, 11:59 AM)
Alas, you dont understand the theory of the water in space. How i wish that water could spin, it would really give me a good insight of things. =.=~
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You need to explain your position to other if you hope for others to understand you. Just showing a video with no explanation is not going to help. What exactly is it supposed to show?
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People refer hell is down there, volcanoes are gates of hell in discovery documentary. Undocumented animal species are actually animal from hell also in discovery channel.

If people from hell are not allow to communicate, some people did bridge between two worlds and make money with it, I want to try too, want to tell my grandpas to help me a bit in this life and drag stupid people to hell.
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Interesting.

I wonder if it is true?
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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Jan 10 2012, 02:42 AM)
I could say your theory of gravity is irrelevent also due to the gravity pull. As you can see the map of the hollow earth. Outer shell, ground to space is how far? Inner gound to space is the same outside.
 
Unless you know how strong and far the gravity streaches. 

From the theory states, the center fill with rich oxygen and zero gravity zone. Thats why the theory of water in space. 

P/S - the inner sun IS in the middle.
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so what is the inner sun made of? the smallest sustainable star is about the size of jupiter. any smaller than that it will collapse on itself or just die off.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Jan 15 2012, 09:47 AM)
so what is the inner sun made of? the smallest sustainable star is about the size of jupiter. any smaller than that it will collapse on itself or just die off.
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No, common logic based on science don't apply at all inside, the possibilities and advancement they have that someone able to sneak out so much information about it even though so heavily guarded. It is either heaven or hell is more likely because of the heat and look what spill out of volcano.

So, human like form can never survive only ghosts live there, that is why difficult to communicate with surface people, its like a jail to keep bad people who gone to hell such as Hitler says screw-your-ball-x. laugh.gif
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hmm.gif Intresting. Since no one ever discover whats below us. We will never know. I will keep my mind open to this since govt will always control information. Beside, i heard there is a strange sound at Kota Semarahan wee in the night, no one can explain that except they assume or think its HAARP but nope its not HAARP.
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