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SpikeMarlene
post Sep 14 2010, 07:47 PM

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There are just too many twists and bends you need to make to current science, too many assumptions you need to take and on top of it, there is no evidence to show the hole exists. There are just wild speculations, what-ifs and pseudo science. I read this hollow earth theory like 10 years ago in another forum and thought that I would never see it again, but what a surprise.

Here is another such theory, maybe you should take a look at it as well.

Here is a description of Hanns Hoerbiger's Cosmic Ice Theory,

This is the story of a remarkable cosmology concocted by an Austrian
mining engineer, Hanns Hoerbiger. Hoerbiger was not only a mining
engineer, he was an amateur astronomer. Often, he would use a small
telescope to look at assorted celestial bodies, especially the Moon.
According to his account, early in this century, as he was looking at
the Moon, he was struck by the apparent brightness of its surface. He
had his first "recognition," that what he was seeing was ice, piled up
in blocks, producing the brightness and roughness he saw. Some nights
later, he had a dream and his second "recognition." He dreamt that he
was suspended in space, watching the swinging of a silvery pendulum,
which grew longer and longer until it broke. "I knew that Newton was
wrong and that the force of gravity stops at three times the distance
to Neptune," he concluded. This was the starting point for his Cosmic
Ice Theory.


This theory he worked out, in collaboration with a schoolteacher named
Philipp Fauth, in a giant book called {\it Glazial-Kosmogonie}. Here
is what it said: Once upon a time, there was a supergiant star in the
direction of the constellation Columba. A smaller star, dead,
water-soaked to the core, fell into it. It was heated up, vaporizing
the water, and causing a great explosion. The fragments of this
smaller star were spewed out of the supergiant into interstellar
space. The water condensed out into ice, forming giant ice blocks. A
ring of this ice formed, as well as a small number of solar systems.
This ring is known to us all as the Milky Way. Among the solar systems
that formed was our own, with many more planets than exist today.

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post Sep 14 2010, 11:37 PM

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How would a hollow earth with an inner sun formed in the first place? What is the critical mass before a lump of matter becomes a shining sun? How would an inner sun this small maintain equilibrium in the center as the earth rotates wobbly on it's own axis and around the sun in an elliptical orbit while the moon is pulling? Why water falling in the openings to the hollow earth not pull towards the center of gravity where the inner sun is? How would a weather system form since the inner sun is always shinning at presumably constant temperature?
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post Sep 15 2010, 07:17 PM

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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 15 2010, 06:51 PM)
So hawking stated in his book,
there are 3 possibilities for discovering the complete unified theory:

1. There really is a complete unified theory, which we will discover someday if we are smart enough.
2. There is no ultimate theory of the universe, just infinite sequence of theories that describe the universe more and more accurately
3. There is no theory of the universe; events cannot be predicted beyond a certain extent but occur in random and arbitrary manner.

1. Now.. How random does a molten core get to be a planet? Scientices always say that planet are constently being bombarded by meteor. But only theorize the melted earth?
2. " events cannot be predicted beyond a certain extent ".. to an extent that no one have ever seen how earth was born. 
This does not follow. What hawking stated, as i understand it, means unification of existing laws of nature. This unification is a great thing because it brings us closer to the fundamentals of nature, it gives a better picture what reality is. So as we probe deeper into nature, some events display disturbing behavior that seems to suggest some manner of randomness or arbitrariness. It does not mean we would not know how earth is born. There are many evidences that support the current theory how earth was made. The problem you have is it does not support a hollow earth.
QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 15 2010, 06:51 PM)
"yup at the early age we regard those tiny particles as dust.
comet is a dust ball, so are the asteroids. and the sun too.
dust clumps together due to gravitational pull, as every body that has mass exert this property.
the sun's gravitational pull is highest, as it is in the centre of the solar system, where most dust will spiral towards it and concentrate."

So where is the fusion reaction to start a sun? If its from dustball, wouldnt the sun be just a big dustball? 
the thing that is different with sun it that, it shines, it burns.

"dust clumps together due to gravitational pull, as every body that has mass exert this property.
the sun's gravitational pull is highest, as it is in the centre of the solar system, where most dust will spiral towards it and concentrate."

But What if.. there is a mini sun doing the same thing as the Sun would have done but clump it around is gravitational field until it form a crust around it? It would be the same as other planet that spin around collecting space dust. Because of the Big Bang Theory, shape and size of the stars or sun is unknown and at random. Same as meteorite, it could come in a small scale or a big scale or an earth size scale. 

"READ FROM RELIABLE AND CORRECT SOURCE"
Where is the correct and reliable source? The Goverment? The Paid Goverment 3rd party? That would be like asking Najib about 1Malaysia Concept.  doh.gif
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There is a critical mass required before a lump of matter ignites into a shinning sun. Otherwise you would see saturn or jupiter shinning like a smaller sun but you don't. For the earth and other planets to rotate around the sun, that means gravitationally these planets are falling into the center of gravity all the time, but they keep missing it all the time too. So the theory of hollow earth can be resolved easily, because you need a mini sun to shine for at least millions of years, earth to rotate furiously around the mini sun that is inconsistent with it's current rotation, an escape velocity much smaller than what we know today that somewhat prevents matter from falling directly into the inner sun. So where are the calculation and evidence?

Unless of course you invoke magic or arbitrary unknown laws of nature, which then makes this theory a wild speculation wouldn't it?




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post Sep 18 2010, 05:15 PM

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I see no light emanating from the hole if there is a inner sun within. Sometimes I wonder if there is really a hole why it is so difficult just to take direct unambigious pictures of huge bright lights pouring forth into the night sky from ground below. It should be visible at night hundreds of kms away .... Oh, the hole covers itself up at night smile.gif

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post Sep 19 2010, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 19 2010, 10:02 AM)
A few of my sources for this chapter:

Kennett, J. P., and Watkins, N. D.; “Geomagnetic Polarity Change, Volcanic Maxima and Faunal Extinction in the South Pacific”, Nature, 227:930, 1970.
Hays, James D.; “Faunal Extinctions and Reversals of the Earth’s Magnetic Field”, Geological Society of America, Bulletin, 82:2433, 1971.
“Earth’s Magnetism Does Correlate with Climate”, New Scientist, 77:848, 1978.
Kelly, Allan O., and Dachille, Frank; “Prehistoric and Modern Lakes”, Target Earth, Carlsbad, 1953, pg 172.
“The Age of the Bolivian Andes”, Geographical Record, 4:59, 1917.
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That must have been long in coming, with references dated as far back as as nearly a hundred years. Where is the evidence say within these 10 years? Why it is so difficult to get direct evidence of a hole as big as a state? Maybe because it does not exist? That would simply explain why after all these years, it still remains alive only on paper and web pages.
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post Sep 19 2010, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 19 2010, 10:53 AM)
There is no theory of the universe; events cannot be predicted beyond a certain extent but occur in random and arbitrary manner. - Stephan Hawking.

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After years of waiting for the Sun to illuminate Saturn’s North Pole again, cameras aboard NASA’s Cassini spacecraft have captured the most detailed images yet of the fascinating hexagon shape crowning the planet.

The new images of the hexagon, whose shape is the path of a jet stream flowing around the North Pole, reveal concentric circles, curlicues, walls, and streamers not seen in previous images.

NASA’s Voyager spacecraft had last captured the visible-light images of the entire hexagon nearly 30 years ago. After the sunlight faded, darkness engulfed the north pole for 15 years, and much to the delight and bafflement of Cassini scientists, the location and shape of the hexagon in the latest images match those they saw in the Voyager pictures.

“The longevity of the hexagon makes this something special, given that weather on Earth lasts on the order of weeks,” said Kunio Sayanagi, a Cassini imaging team associate at the California Institute of Technology.

“It’s a mystery on par with the strange weather conditions that give rise to the long-lived Great Red Spot of Jupiter,” he added.

The hexagon was originally discovered in images taken by the Voyager spacecraft in the early 1980s. It encircles Saturn at about 77 degrees north latitude and has been estimated to have a diameter wider than two Earths. The jet stream is believed to whip along the hexagon at around 100 meters per second.

Early hexagon images from Voyager and ground-based telescopes suffered from poor viewing perspectives. Cassini, which has been orbiting Saturn since 2004, has a better angle for viewing the North Pole. But, the long darkness of Saturnian winter hid the hexagon from Cassini’s visible-light cameras for years.

However, infrared instruments were able to obtain images by using heat patterns. Those images showed the hexagon is nearly stationary and extends deep into the atmosphere. They also discovered a hotspot and cyclone in the same region.
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To get evidence on the hollow earth theory and a gaping hole as big as a large city on earth, you need to go to saturn or jupiter to take some pictures? Amazing!
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post Sep 20 2010, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(3dassets @ Sep 20 2010, 11:49 AM)
ScrewBallX, are you going there? You say if means you are not and sounds like it will lead to a money scam paying entire fortune to ensure passage to heaven, otherwise what is your motive since you are not as generous to come back and tell?
Goodness, Hollow Earth & Flat Earth cult. Seems like a form of power with devoted members, obviously this thread here is to acquire some new believers and it should be monitored. From Flat Earth forum:
Q: "Why has this site not been shut down by the government?"
A: Not enough people take this site seriously for it to be perceived as a threat by those involved in the Conspiracy.  Shutting it down, however, might open them up to suspicion.


Everything has a balance like science & fiction, logic or nonsense. After so many years, in science, any claim can be proven with formula then pseudoscience which is based on believe and twist some facts from science as evidence, luckily we have educated people than anarchy. If anyone is accepted into hollow Earth, why don't they come back to tell the truth and put an end to suffering, conspiracy and so on? So what is your true motive?
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The flat earthers would go for the throats of hollow earthers and we should let them slug it out. You can't have flat and hollow at the same time. It will be entertaining to watch.
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post Sep 20 2010, 06:53 PM

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QUOTE(robertngo @ Sep 20 2010, 05:16 PM)
why not, it can just be converted to the world is on the flat surface but it is hollow inside, and alien with ufo live inside it  laugh.gif
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It can, with the inner sun smacked right at the flat pancake center. How thick you want the pancake to be? so that the inner sun does bulge out too much smile.gif
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post Sep 22 2010, 03:14 PM

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The art is don't think so much, it may be fun to read if you do so. smile.gif
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post Sep 22 2010, 09:51 PM

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All these dubious psuedo-science hypothesis or wild speculations have disappearing tricks built-in. They only give tantalizing hints, bits and peices to bait your interest, so when you look really hard at it, it disappears, to be replaced by some other tantalizing hints. So it lures you round and round, fuel your curiosity but as we are all frequently in need of coffee shop small talks, some are addicted hardcore forumers, this is not too bad a diversion. What if hollow earth is actually designed by some advanced space alien, seeded some low scumbag lifeforms on it's surface but after millions of years, evolve into pesky human!
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post Sep 23 2010, 12:11 AM

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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 22 2010, 10:39 PM)
Everyone likes logic in an answer but when the saw UFO, the question is..

1. Are we alone in this universe?
2. How do they defy gravity?
3. how they move in the speed of light?
4. what fuel their UFO?

So there is no logic to the answer above but statement, dancing light and blured picture.

Now, how do this visitor come here with great number and vanish into thin air? To accomodate this visitor require big land mass. If moon, you will see them almost everyday flying in and out of the crater with your big telescope. How about their food supply? surley they need to eat. Logic added... when out of the solar system or inner sun.
I dont see why people accept the UFO, 2012 and other but strongly against the hollow earth theory. Some people say scam in to going the north pole but people always have way to go there via caves. Pole is not the only way in.
Now there are frequent UFO sightings around the world.. you should notice that appearence of UFO is mostly around mountain area or closest to the mountain area. If you see the geography of the area, surely you can come across caves available or hidden.
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But the problem is not one UFO sighting can be conclusively shown to be real. Most of them are not and some of them with inconclusive findings are left to the wide interpretation of anyone who really took a closer look at these reported cases. Again it appears as if UFO is on just as shaky ground as the hollow earth theory.
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post Sep 29 2010, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(macho_siot @ Sep 28 2010, 12:21 PM)
hehe,,,,,
so funny look at the picture you post the 1st column...
logically,,
depend on the picture..
it must be no night if the sun is located the center of earth..
and not happen day and night...
al-quran elaborate all..smile.gif
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You meant that quran has a theory for hollow earth? Or quran has a theory for night and day?
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post Oct 3 2010, 02:26 AM

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QUOTE(KeNGZ @ Oct 3 2010, 02:16 AM)
bought a book and found an extremely suitable description for you!
quote by Nobel laureate Steven Weinberg:

'At the other end of the spectrum are the opponents of reductionism who are appalled by what they feel to be the bleakness of the modern science. To whatever extent they and their world can be reduced to a matter of particles or fields and their interactions, they feel diminished by that knowledge....I would not try to answer these critics with a pep talk about the beauties of modern science. The reductionist worldview is chilling and impersonal. it has to be accepted as it is, not because we like it, but because that is the way the world works.'
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Great quote!

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