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Hollow Earth, Our earth is hollow ! Science
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faceless
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Sep 15 2010, 11:48 AM
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Talking about the admiral again (since I have not read that much yet). He said, he could not describe the leader as he was not like anything seen on earth. He did not say the same about the two being who escorted him to the leader. So there is only one being that is one of a kind. The rest are the same.
The leader is also talking rubbish. He had chosen the admiral for the task. The leader is not that well verse with our human behaviour although he did he claimed that he had been watching us humans. Why did he choose an admiral who will be treted as a nut case? He did mentioned to the admiral that the leaders of earth had not heed their warnings yet what makes him think that an admiral could be more convincing?
I reject the admiral's records as there are too many inconsistency.
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SUSfifi85
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Sep 15 2010, 12:00 PM
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So you're saying the admiral either gone crazy or is an attention whore?
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robertngo
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Sep 15 2010, 12:07 PM
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QUOTE(fifi85 @ Sep 15 2010, 11:18 AM) Yes. Using the theory of evolution, the citizens of Atlantis evolved into mermans because their city sunk. Its like one of the hollow earth theory about atlantis. Maybe bermuda triangle as well. Where people mysteriously disappear. It could be the gateway to the hollow earth they will be dead long before they evolve to mermaid. Added on September 15, 2010, 12:08 pmQUOTE(fifi85 @ Sep 15 2010, 12:00 PM) So you're saying the admiral either gone crazy or is an attention whore? the admiral are not crazy or attention whore, it is just the story are completely made up by someone else. Added on September 15, 2010, 12:15 pmQUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 15 2010, 10:56 AM) are the crust make up of rubber? why wont the impact just punch a hole in the crust or destroying it? This post has been edited by robertngo: Sep 15 2010, 12:15 PM
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faceless
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Sep 15 2010, 12:17 PM
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Actually, I thought the admiral was on LSD  It was common during their time. If it was today, he will be on ice. What is the purpose of someone making up the story, Robert? Why must they make it up on the admiral's behalf. They could use anyone else.
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SUSScrewBallX
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Sep 15 2010, 12:18 PM
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QUOTE(Eventless @ Sep 15 2010, 11:17 AM) We're talking about humans here, they don't spontaneously mutate features to survive a different environment instantaneously. Drop a person in those environment, he'll be more or less dead immediately. Just because a species can live in a hostile environment, doesn't mean that you can. While this already out of topic, do you have links to these so called records about people living for hundreds of years? This says otherwise. Wiki - "Life expectancy is the expected (in the statistical sense)". Sound like a theory. But my Great grandmother is 105 years old.. where would that put her?
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Eventless
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Sep 15 2010, 12:28 PM
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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 15 2010, 12:18 PM) Wiki - "Life expectancy is the expected (in the statistical sense)". Sound like a theory. But my Great grandmother is 105 years old.. where would that put her? There's a section on centenarian on the page that I've shown. They are not an impossibility. People living hundreds(200+) of years on the other hand are undocumented. You specifically said hundreds of years. After rereading your post, did you mean to say they are a lot of people living to hundreds of years or living to pass a hundred in the past? If you were referring to people living to around a hundred, they've always been around. Based on the link I gave in that post, there's even more people living to pass a hundred these days compared to the past. It doesn't prove anything. This post has been edited by Eventless: Sep 15 2010, 01:08 PM
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robertngo
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Sep 15 2010, 12:34 PM
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QUOTE(faceless @ Sep 15 2010, 12:17 PM) Actually, I thought the admiral was on LSD  It was common during their time. If it was today, he will be on ice. What is the purpose of someone making up the story, Robert? Why must they make it up on the admiral's behalf. They could use anyone else. admiral byrd is involve in an expedition to the antartic, operation highjump in 1947, which where the conspiracy theory like to add story of nazi base and UFO and hallow earth to.
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SUSfifi85
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Sep 15 2010, 12:36 PM
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QUOTE(robertngo @ Sep 15 2010, 12:07 PM) they will be dead long before they evolve to mermaid. Added on September 15, 2010, 12:08 pmthe admiral are not crazy or attention whore, it is just the story are completely made up by someone else. Added on September 15, 2010, 12:15 pmare the crust make up of rubber? why wont the impact just punch a hole in the crust or destroying it?  If crust made of rubber it would bounce the meteor back to outer space
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furryfluffy
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Sep 15 2010, 01:18 PM
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QUOTE(fifi85 @ Sep 14 2010, 10:21 AM) Hollow your head. You watch too many fantasy movie. Need go learn std5 science then you will know the layers of the earth. +1
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Cheesenium
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Sep 15 2010, 01:49 PM
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QUOTE(robertngo @ Sep 15 2010, 12:07 PM) are the crust make up of rubber? why wont the impact just punch a hole in the crust or destroying it?  It doesnt make any sense fort hat to happen, as if the crust is thin, the impact of the meteor would have puncture a hole on the planet. Have anyone seen a planet with a hole? From geotechnical point of view, the reason that the large crater is flat in the centre is there are hard solid rocks below the ground that could resist the impact, but do not break easily. They are probably cracked or something. These rocks are still intact because they are buried deep in the ground where natural weathering from wind, wateror so on could not break them to smaller chunks.
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SUSScrewBallX
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Sep 15 2010, 01:56 PM
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QUOTE(fifi85 @ Sep 15 2010, 12:36 PM) If crust made of rubber it would bounce the meteor back to outer space If it were to hit, surely it would be smash into little pieces. Ground earth take the vibration away like pillow and gravity maintain its (meteor) weight. Not unless the meteor is a big rubber ball..  Added on September 15, 2010, 2:06 pmQUOTE(Eventless @ Sep 15 2010, 12:28 PM) There's a section on centenarian on the page that I've shown. They are not an impossibility. People living hundreds(200+) of years on the other hand are undocumented. You specifically said hundreds of years. After rereading your post, did you mean to say they are a lot of people living to hundreds of years or living to pass a hundred in the past? If you were referring to people living to around a hundred, they've always been around. Based on the link I gave in that post, there's even more people living to pass a hundred these days compared to the past. It doesn't prove anything. Statisticly taken is most commonly life expected in our time. We all know there are some people living above hundred nowadays but in the past it could be longer than that, no one is there to document how long they can live, its not like us today. And i do say "Hundred of years" not "Hundred S of years". Added on September 15, 2010, 2:13 pmQUOTE(furryfluffy @ Sep 15 2010, 01:18 PM) +2 = 3 This post has been edited by ScrewBallX: Sep 15 2010, 02:13 PM
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Eventless
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Sep 15 2010, 02:35 PM
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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 15 2010, 01:56 PM) Statisticly taken is most commonly life expected in our time. We all know there are some people living above hundred nowadays but in the past it could be longer than that, no one is there to document how long they can live, its not like us today. And i do say "Hundred of years" not "HundredS of years". In another word, there's nothing to back up your statement where you mentioned about records of people living longer in the past. It wasn't specified clearly in that post but what does people living longer in the past prove?
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SUSfifi85
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Sep 15 2010, 02:51 PM
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Is there ppl actually living 200 yrs old? Not a chance in this world
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robertngo
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Sep 15 2010, 03:01 PM
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QUOTE(fifi85 @ Sep 15 2010, 02:51 PM) Is there ppl actually living 200 yrs old? Not a chance in this world no impossible, but extremely unlikely especially with the living condition of ancient time, no modern medical treatment, danger from wild animal, back breaking manual labour and etc. even today with all the advancement in living condition and medical knowledge we not yet recorded a person that live to 130 years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldest_peopleThis post has been edited by robertngo: Sep 15 2010, 03:12 PM
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SUSScrewBallX
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Sep 15 2010, 03:21 PM
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In Past time era, there is no pollution so the body is much heathy. What-not chemical in the air, water and ground is obselete. Today however, chemicals are everywhere.. in food, water, air and ground. Turn your water tap you get clorinated water. Go outside you get air pollution. Body is trying to resist to all these unnessasary stuff. So our lifespan fall short.
Added on September 15, 2010, 3:26 pmAdding ...
HOLLOW PLANET HISTORY
Sir Edmund Halley (1656-1742, Halley’s Comet) – Halley’s most controversial theory originated from his study of magnetism. Halley realized that the magnetic poles were constantly moving. He believed this could be explained by having two fixed magnetic poles (north and south) in the crust of a hollow earth, and two more inside which were moving. He envisaged hollow spheres, one inside the other, rotating at slightly different speeds. One of these inner shells would contain the other set of magnetic poles. If that shell rotated slightly slower than the outermost shell, then that might account for the apparent motion of two of the magnetic poles while the other two stood still.
Halley speculated on whether there might be life inside these shells. Since God had created “animate beings” which inhabited every part of the Earth as we know it, why should He not therefore have also caused the interior of these shells to be habited? He suggested that the atmosphere might be luminous, or the inner sides of the spheres might emit light, or there might even be small Suns inside the Earth which he referred to as: “peculiar Luminaries below, of which we have no sort of Idea.” Many of the core features of the Hollow Earth theory were born out of Halley’s speculations.
Could there be any logical reason for thinking that a planet might be hollow? The only possibility which comes to mind is that a spinning sphere might become hollow naturally. This was originally suggested to me by John Flora, who joined my Internet list. His argument is as follows: Scientists believe stars and planets formed from huge clouds of dust in space. Gravity caused them to condense. Then they started spinning and eventually became spheres. If this is the case then, like an ice skater, these stars and planets would have spun ever faster as they contracted. This would be dictated by the law of conservation of angular momentum. However, the solar system tells a different story.
It is not the smallest planets which spin the fastest, but the largest ones. The Earth rotates om 24 hours, and many of the planets smaller than it rotate even slower. Jupiter, the largest planet, which has a diameter more than ten times that of the Earth spins about its axis in a mere 10 hours. This is not what one would expect from condensed, solid planets. John pointed out that this is also true of the different types of stars. The larger ones spin faster than the smaller ones. He believes that it can be shown mathematically that a high rate of rotation would cause a spherical body to expand until it reaches a point of maximum inertial stability.
In an e-mail dated 15 Feb 1998, he explained in part,
“As I said earlier, the maximum moment of inertia for a rotating sphere to spin stably is that of a hollow sphere. . .”
He suggested that the planets and stars be regarded as “tornadoes in space.” He explained:
“This smaller size – slower rotation, bigger size – faster rotation relationship of planets and stars rotations is exactly what you would think if the planets and stars were created hollow however!"
Because, according to spherical shell dynamic theory, the planets and stars were created out of convection currents between warm and cool regions of space, swirling the particles into whirling, twirling tornadoes of particles. In the zero-gravity of space these tornadoes took on the shape of spheres with open poles, and the faster they were rotating, the larger they became! John’s logic also suggests that Hollow Planets must have Polar Holes of some kind. He pointed out that there was a point at which centrifugal force and gravity balance. Gravity, (as we shall see later, is zero at the centre of the Earth (or any hollow sphere). All mathematical exercises show that if one could suspend an object at the centre of the Earth, then it would be weightless. So when a forming planet rotates, the matter at its core will be flung away from the centre. Gravity however, increases as one moves away from the centre of a planet because there is more matter “below” it. So a point is reached whereupon gravity is stronger than the centrifugal force, and the expansion then stops. One thus ends up with a hollow spinning sphere.
This post has been edited by ScrewBallX: Sep 15 2010, 03:26 PM
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VMSmith
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Sep 15 2010, 03:46 PM
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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 15 2010, 03:21 PM) In Past time era, there is no pollution so the body is much heathy. What-not chemical in the air, water and ground is obselete. Today however, chemicals are everywhere.. in food, water, air and ground. Turn your water tap you get clorinated water. Go outside you get air pollution. True, but in the past there was no such thing as penicillin and antibiotics. Just get one scratch, and you could well be six feet under before you hit 20 years of age.
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robertngo
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Sep 15 2010, 03:49 PM
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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 15 2010, 03:21 PM) In Past time era, there is no pollution so the body is much heathy. What-not chemical in the air, water and ground is obselete. Today however, chemicals are everywhere.. in food, water, air and ground. Turn your water tap you get clorinated water. Go outside you get air pollution. Body is trying to resist to all these unnessasary stuff. So our lifespan fall short. this is trying to romanticized the ancient world, there are always pollution, when human live in cave live in high level of polution from the smoke of fire due to ventilation problem. air, water and ground contaimination can happen naturally without any human activity.
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faceless
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Sep 15 2010, 03:56 PM
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Hollow sphere are easier to spin. Just spin a baseball and compare it with a tenis ball. Just because it is easier to spin hollow spherical object does not necessary means spinning sphearical objects are hollow.
This post has been edited by faceless: Sep 15 2010, 03:57 PM
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VMSmith
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Sep 15 2010, 03:56 PM
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QUOTE(robertngo @ Sep 15 2010, 03:49 PM) this is trying to romanticized the ancient world, there are always pollution, when human live in cave live in high level of polution from the smoke of fire due to ventilation problem. air, water and ground contaimination can happen naturally without any human activity. Not just that. Nowadays, the typical hygiene level of the working class person is far better than most middle-age kings could ever dream of. Surgical operations allow a man with a slipped disk to function normally again. In the past, he wouldn't have lasted a day in the wild. Added on September 15, 2010, 4:02 pmQUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 15 2010, 03:21 PM) Because, according to spherical shell dynamic theory, the planets and stars were created out of convection currents between warm and cool regions of space, *snip* Interestingly enough, wikipedia states that shell theory disproves the Hollow Earth hypothesis. from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow_earth#GravityQUOTE(Wikipedia) The best scientific argument against that of a hollow Earth or any hollow planet is gravity. Massive objects tend to clump together gravitationally, creating non-hollow spherical objects we call stars and planets. The solid sphere is the best way in which to minimize the gravitational potential energy of a physical object; having hollowness is unfavorable in the energetic sense. In addition, ordinary matter is not strong enough to support a hollow shape of planetary size against the force of gravity; a planet-sized hollow shell with the known, observed thickness of the Earth's crust, would not be able to achieve hydrostatic equilibrium with its own mass and would collapse.
Someone on the inside of a hollow Earth would not experience a significant outward pull and could not easily stand on the inner surface; rather, the theory of gravity implies that a person on the inside would be nearly weightless. This was first shown by Newton, whose shell theorem mathematically predicts a gravitational force (from the shell) of zero everywhere inside a spherically symmetric hollow shell of matter, regardless of the shell's thickness. A tiny gravitational force would arise from the fact that the Earth does not have a perfectly symmetrical spherical shape, as well as forces from other bodies such as the Moon. The centrifugal force from the Earth's rotation would pull a person (on the inner surface) outwards if the person was traveling at the same velocity as the Earth's interior and was in contact with the ground on the interior, but even the maximum centrifugal force at the equator is only 1/300 of ordinary Earth gravity.
The mass of the planet also indicates that the hollow Earth hypothesis is unfeasible. Should the Earth be largely hollow, its mass would be much lower and thus its gravity on the outer surface would be much lower than it is. This post has been edited by VMSmith: Sep 15 2010, 04:02 PM
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Eventless
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Sep 15 2010, 04:11 PM
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The planet Venus and Mars doesn't seem to support your theory about size of planets and rotational speed. Based on this, venus' mass is about 0.815 of Earth's mass and Mar's mass is 0.107 of Earth's mass. Earth is bigger than both of these 2 planets. Mars is much smaller than Venus. A Venusian day is about 243 earth days while a Martian day is about Earth 1 days.
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