No i mean daccorn not you.
I dont have any opinion yet. Havent really read everything and understand them
Hollow Earth, Our earth is hollow ! Science
Hollow Earth, Our earth is hollow ! Science
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Sep 14 2010, 04:42 PM
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No i mean daccorn not you.
I dont have any opinion yet. Havent really read everything and understand them |
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Sep 14 2010, 04:42 PM
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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 14 2010, 03:59 PM) Studying, debunking and finding out require to read tons and tons of material gather from past to present and thinking require. Same as you study about life on earth surface. All i can do is link to the people who made the same question as you. i have not yet see any solid evidence in all you post for hollow earth, some times like holes in both pole can easily be verify with satelite photo, weather balloon photo are even taking photo from plan, also many people have reach the center of north and south pole, why have they not notice a gapping hole on the ground and a freaking sun inside the earth?what are the evidence you have that aurora borealis and aurora australis is not cause by charged particle from sun colliding with earth atmosphere. pictured are the aurora australis not coming out of a hole in the ground ![]() |
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Sep 14 2010, 04:46 PM
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Aurora maybe is cause by the magnetic field. Then it become light
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Sep 14 2010, 04:49 PM
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QUOTE(daccorn @ Sep 14 2010, 07:30 PM) Dude, you need a job. But I respect your hobby. Also I don't read posts as long as an essay. And I doubt anyone will so try make some short bursts of crisp and interesting arguments rather than copy pasta'ing a whole slab of text and expect us to read it. Get real. I think you missed my post before your spam. No fifi85, I didn't read them. I deserve punishment. Now explain to me why haven't any oil rigs accidentally punctured the outer layer and into the world inside and start drilling like .. nothing. Maybe explain the molten lava layer between the crust and the core. And from there explain the phenomenon of a volcano. Oh, just to add in. It must suck to have day time forever in that world. Back to TS, you want us to read all of that so we can understand and make discuss? Forget it. When I see the size of my scroll bar I decided on the spot its not going to be anything worth my time. I'm sure if I read it, I'd gain some extra ideas. But how about you summarize it for us since you have already read them ? |
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Sep 14 2010, 04:52 PM
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ya summmary plz.. I also din really understand cuz maybe my iq not high enuff to get it so quick..
Just the important points for discussion is good. |
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Sep 14 2010, 05:03 PM
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Same, my I.Q is very very low... let me put it in point form. - Earth is theorize as hollow with an inner sun. - Entrance to the hollow earth is from the North and south pole. - Land in the inner earth is tropical forest type. - Its Twilight there with 24/7 day time. @daccorn If you wonder why oil drill never puncture to the inner earth is that the furthest they ever drill is at 12 miles.. to get to the center of the crust is 400 miles .. as discribe about the crust is 800 miles. |
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Sep 14 2010, 05:14 PM
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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 14 2010, 05:03 PM) @fifi85 at 12KM the temperature is already 180C, at the 800 miles down, the "tropical forest" would be several thousand degree.Same, my I.Q is very very low... let me put it in point form. - Earth is theorize as hollow with an inner sun. - Entrance to the hollow earth is from the North and south pole. - Land in the inner earth is tropical forest type. - Its Twilight there with 24/7 day time. @daccorn If you wonder why oil drill never puncture to the inner earth is that the furthest they ever drill is at 12 miles.. to get to the center of the crust is 400 miles .. as discribe about the crust is 800 miles. the picure you show on the first page show several hole that access the inner earth one is from giza, how does the people go through the 800 miles crust without being roasted alive? Added on September 14, 2010, 5:31 pm QUOTE(faceless @ Sep 14 2010, 03:25 PM) I am doubtful of the admiral story. It does not go in hand with the subterran dwellers being driven there by another race. If they were driven there then this entry/exit should be easily located. It would not be like the admiral described. the Admiral story have no basis what so ever, it is just a conspiracy theory of the Operation Highjump conducted by US Navy in 1947, other have said it was to destroy a Nazi secret base in the Antarctic. QUOTE In the early 19th century, an eccentric veteran of the war of 1812, John Symmes (d. 1829), promoted the idea of interior concentric spheres so widely that the alleged opening to the inner world was named "Symmes Hole."* In Hamilton, Ohio, his son erected a monument with a stone model of the hollow earth to commemorate his dad's incessant lobbying for an expedition to the North Pole to find the entrance to the world below. Martin Gardner writes that "It took Byrd's flight over the North Pole to deal a death blow to 'Symmes' hole' "(Gardner 1957: 41). However, later advocates hail Admiral Byrd as having actually gone into the hollow earth at both poles! This strange belief seems to be based on nothing more than the fact that Byrd referred to Antarctica as "The Land of Everlasting Mystery" and once wrote: "I'd like to see that land beyond the (North) Pole. That area beyond the Pole is the Center of the Great Unknown." Such evidence apparently suffices for the alternative scientist. This post has been edited by robertngo: Sep 14 2010, 05:31 PM |
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Sep 14 2010, 06:08 PM
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"at 12KM the temperature is already 180C, at the 800 miles down, the "tropical forest" would be several thousand degree. the picure you show on the first page show several hole that access the inner earth one is from giza, how does the people go through the 800 miles crust without being roasted alive? " Yes i would agree with you BUT .. refer to the quartz cave .. "These are images from the Cave of Swords, and the Queen's Eye Cavern, which is alot cooler, thus workers are out of suit in these images." - http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread592042/pg1 This one shows a man without the cool suit. So if a tunnle going down is not as 2D it should be 3D. Could be turning right and left and up and down. Even lava has its own path to go, just like a river going to the sea. If you see about common cave explorer going in to a deep cave.. it is not that hot as you thought it would be. They say its about 25 Degree, and the depth of it is DEEEeeeeepppp. See the deepest cave. Then why are they not roasted anyway? ![]() ![]() The 3,100ft underground shaft near the village of Tian Xing in China where climbers spent two months exploring for four to five days at a time. |
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Sep 14 2010, 06:21 PM
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Just a bunch of pseudo science again, as it just doesnt make sense at all.
If the earth is hollow, wont it collapse or deform when it's turning? 800 miles hull isnt enough to resist the forces in earth. Besides, where would be the heat source for lava of if the centre of the earth is hollow? The inner sun wont be able to give out as much heat as it needs to keep the lava boiling hot, while there are forest supposedly exist in it. Great reading as a break from my research, but not something i'll believe in. |
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Sep 14 2010, 06:57 PM
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QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 14 2010, 06:08 PM) @robertngo the crystal cave is only 300 meters deep and the people that go in the chamber would be dead without the suit and mask. "at 12KM the temperature is already 180C, at the 800 miles down, the "tropical forest" would be several thousand degree. the picure you show on the first page show several hole that access the inner earth one is from giza, how does the people go through the 800 miles crust without being roasted alive? " Yes i would agree with you BUT .. refer to the quartz cave .. "These are images from the Cave of Swords, and the Queen's Eye Cavern, which is alot cooler, thus workers are out of suit in these images." - http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread592042/pg1 This one shows a man without the cool suit. So if a tunnle going down is not as 2D it should be 3D. Could be turning right and left and up and down. Even lava has its own path to go, just like a river going to the sea. If you see about common cave explorer going in to a deep cave.. it is not that hot as you thought it would be. They say its about 25 Degree, and the depth of it is DEEEeeeeepppp. See the deepest cave. Then why are they not roasted anyway? ![]() ![]() The 3,100ft underground shaft near the village of Tian Xing in China where climbers spent two months exploring for four to five days at a time. the deepest mine in the world, tautona are 3.9 km deep have temperature of 60C, this is only just a few km from the crust and the deeper mine and hole go the hotter it get, so at 800 miles it extremely hot, no way can people go down there without very special equipment that not available today |
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Sep 14 2010, 07:26 PM
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Someone called me?
Anyway, most of TS source come from single author, Jan Lamprecht. He seems quite famous for hollow earth theory. Most of his work cross-reference to researchers and scientists from mid 1900s. Science begin to bloom from early to mid 1900s, and a lot of theory come out then. And half of it got ditched by 21st centuries. Stuff like ice on moon, ether, and many more speculation on space before we launched the first manned space shuttle. Haven't read it all, but I love the theory. Inner earth with inner sun. |
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Sep 14 2010, 07:47 PM
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There are just too many twists and bends you need to make to current science, too many assumptions you need to take and on top of it, there is no evidence to show the hole exists. There are just wild speculations, what-ifs and pseudo science. I read this hollow earth theory like 10 years ago in another forum and thought that I would never see it again, but what a surprise.
Here is another such theory, maybe you should take a look at it as well. Here is a description of Hanns Hoerbiger's Cosmic Ice Theory, This is the story of a remarkable cosmology concocted by an Austrian mining engineer, Hanns Hoerbiger. Hoerbiger was not only a mining engineer, he was an amateur astronomer. Often, he would use a small telescope to look at assorted celestial bodies, especially the Moon. According to his account, early in this century, as he was looking at the Moon, he was struck by the apparent brightness of its surface. He had his first "recognition," that what he was seeing was ice, piled up in blocks, producing the brightness and roughness he saw. Some nights later, he had a dream and his second "recognition." He dreamt that he was suspended in space, watching the swinging of a silvery pendulum, which grew longer and longer until it broke. "I knew that Newton was wrong and that the force of gravity stops at three times the distance to Neptune," he concluded. This was the starting point for his Cosmic Ice Theory. This theory he worked out, in collaboration with a schoolteacher named Philipp Fauth, in a giant book called {\it Glazial-Kosmogonie}. Here is what it said: Once upon a time, there was a supergiant star in the direction of the constellation Columba. A smaller star, dead, water-soaked to the core, fell into it. It was heated up, vaporizing the water, and causing a great explosion. The fragments of this smaller star were spewed out of the supergiant into interstellar space. The water condensed out into ice, forming giant ice blocks. A ring of this ice formed, as well as a small number of solar systems. This ring is known to us all as the Milky Way. Among the solar systems that formed was our own, with many more planets than exist today. This post has been edited by SpikeMarlene: Sep 14 2010, 07:55 PM |
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Wow, what a great
Halfway through the hollow earth article. Quite believable, and the original writer actually did his homework. It really challenge some facts, but to divert our attention. How would a cluster of heavy metal rock suspend in the air? Cold fusion is highly unstable, does not emit visible light, radiates sub-atomic wave. In addition, the inner earth is shielded by good deal of earth, hence provide inner earth with great deal of blanket with no room for heat rejection. Outer earth has volcano, with high temperature liquid lava. There is no way for inner earth to reject the excessive heat. How about cloud formation? Outer earth temperature decrease as it goes higher. Inner earth temperature will definitely rise as it goes higher, cause closer to inner sun. QUOTE(SpikeMarlene @ Sep 14 2010, 07:47 PM) There are just too many twists and bends you need to make to current science, too many assumptions you need to take and on top of it, there is no evidence to show the hole exists. There are just wild speculations, what-ifs and pseudo science. I read this hollow earth theory like 10 years ago in another forum and thought that I would never see it again, but what a surprise. Here is another such theory, maybe you should take a look at it as well. Here is a description of Hanns Hoerbiger's Cosmic Ice Theory, This is the story of a remarkable cosmology concocted by an Austrian mining engineer, Hanns Hoerbiger. Hoerbiger was not only a mining engineer, he was an amateur astronomer. Often, he would use a small telescope to look at assorted celestial bodies, especially the Moon. According to his account, early in this century, as he was looking at the Moon, he was struck by the apparent brightness of its surface. He had his first "recognition," that what he was seeing was ice, piled up in blocks, producing the brightness and roughness he saw. Some nights later, he had a dream and his second "recognition." He dreamt that he was suspended in space, watching the swinging of a silvery pendulum, which grew longer and longer until it broke. "I knew that Newton was wrong and that the force of gravity stops at three times the distance to Neptune," he concluded. This was the starting point for his Cosmic Ice Theory. This theory he worked out, in collaboration with a schoolteacher named Philipp Fauth, in a giant book called {\it Glazial-Kosmogonie}. Here is what it said: Once upon a time, there was a supergiant star in the direction of the constellation Columba. A smaller star, dead, water-soaked to the core, fell into it. It was heated up, vaporizing the water, and causing a great explosion. The fragments of this smaller star were spewed out of the supergiant into interstellar space. The water condensed out into ice, forming giant ice blocks. A ring of this ice formed, as well as a small number of solar systems. This ring is known to us all as the Milky Way. Among the solar systems that formed was our own, with many more planets than exist today. |
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Sep 14 2010, 09:24 PM
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Its stable by even force of gravity pulling. Then somehow got some mechanism make it float.
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Sep 14 2010, 09:43 PM
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QUOTE(Aurora @ Sep 14 2010, 09:08 PM) Wow, what a great In nature best coolent is water and air .. And in caves there always water flowing with a slight breeze going through a duck or hole or passage way. As you can see in all the picture of caves. But as the case of hollow earth, the hole at the north and south could serve as cooling vents as both pole is very cold. As you know when hot air rush out, cold air goes in. Halfway through the hollow earth article. Quite believable, and the original writer actually did his homework. It really challenge some facts, but to divert our attention. How would a cluster of heavy metal rock suspend in the air? Cold fusion is highly unstable, does not emit visible light, radiates sub-atomic wave. In addition, the inner earth is shielded by good deal of earth, hence provide inner earth with great deal of blanket with no room for heat rejection. Outer earth has volcano, with high temperature liquid lava. There is no way for inner earth to reject the excessive heat. How about cloud formation? Outer earth temperature decrease as it goes higher. Inner earth temperature will definitely rise as it goes higher, cause closer to inner sun. As we breath, cold air in and we puff out, hot air comes out. Read this about cave air system.. Air Flow in the Caves Are the caves so cool because there are air conditioners inside them? There are a large number of visitors every year who ask that question. It surprises them that during a hot summer day the caves are a comfortable 17 degrees Celsius. During a cold winter day the surprise is that the caves are so much warmer than outside, a cozy 17 degrees Celsius. The caves stay close to the same temperature all the year round. The reason is that the surrounding rock is quite massive and an enormous amount of heat is needed to change its temperature. As air flows through a cave it comes in contact with the wall and, depending on the time of year, either warms or cools and hence ends up an even 17 degrees Celsius. Most caves exhibit the same phenomena although the temperature that they stabilise at will vary depending on what the average temperature is of the area they are in. Understanding about the stable air temperature in the caves helps to understand why there is always fresh air despite large numbers of visitors passing through the caves. As visitors pass through they exhale carbon dioxide. If there was no air flow the carbon dioxide would collect in the cave and eventually it would become stifling. It would also start to corrode the formations. Fortunately we are helped by the fact the hot air rises. During the winter months the air inside the caves is warmer than that outside. The air flows up and out of the cave. Since there are several entrances to the caves, the air flows out of the higher entrances and sucks cold air in through the lower entrances. The cold air that is drawn in is then warmed up, flows through the cave collecting the carbon dioxide and replacing it with oxygen. Eventually the air floats up and out through an upper entrance. The cycle continues, replacing the stale air. During the summer months the opposite happens. During these months the air inside the caves is cooler than outside and hence it sinks and flows out a lower entrance. This draws in warm air through an upper entrance and hence another air cycle is created. Since it is very rare that the temperature outside will be exactly the same as that inside the caves, there will almost always be an air flow occurring to flush the caves of stale air. Other atmospheric conditions will also contribute to air flow. Changing air pressure is a significant factor, especially where the cave only has one entrance. Think of a cave as being like a big plastic bottle. If you blow into a bottle the air inside will compress and assume the same pressure as that outside, i.e.. inside your mouth. As soon as you take the bottle away from your mouth, the pressure outside the bottle drops and a small rush of air occurs coming out of the bottle. Returning to the cave, air pressure is always changing. If the air pressure outside the cave increases, it forces more air into the cave. As the air pressure drops, the air that is stored inside the cave starts to rush back to the surface, causing a breeze. Breezes are one way in which cave explorers find new caves. As they crawl around inside a cave they try and sense gentle breezes. Sometimes they will light a candle to see if the flame flickers in a breeze which is too faint to feel. If they find a breeze it often means there is a passage nearby that connects to other passages that are large enough to contain lots of air that responds to changes in air pressure. |
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Sep 14 2010, 09:45 PM
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wonder if oxgen will be enuff in the earth below us?
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QUOTE(fifi85 @ Sep 14 2010, 09:24 PM) There was a collision with comet like millions of years of ago. How did the inner sun survive the big impact and vibration? The bombing during World War 2, multiple nuclear test, no impact? Moon phase affects our sea level. The gravity from moon phase would have impact inner sun, no?Anyway, outer earth managed our earthly climate for past thousand of years with the transition of north/south monsoon wind. If there is a hole (or many holes), it would appear in meteorology study with unexplainable phenomena. The two holes at North and South pole would play much larger role in climate change rather than aurora phenomena. Our climate would be much stable with these holes to help equalize our weather. Added on September 14, 2010, 10:08 pmThis doesn't explain the heat generated from inner sun. There is no heat source in cave. There are also cave water than helps to cool the temperature down there. In mines cave, with only human body heat, the temperature would rise. Miners would use induced ventilation (using fan) to withdraw the hot air and draw cool air into these caves. QUOTE(ScrewBallX @ Sep 14 2010, 09:43 PM) In nature best coolent is water and air .. And in caves there always water flowing with a slight breeze going through a duck or hole or passage way. As you can see in all the picture of caves. But as the case of hollow earth, the hole at the north and south could serve as cooling vents as both pole is very cold. As you know when hot air rush out, cold air goes in. This post has been edited by Aurora: Sep 14 2010, 10:10 PMAs we breath, cold air in and we puff out, hot air comes out. Read this about cave air system.. Air Flow in the Caves Are the caves so cool because there are air conditioners inside them? There are a large number of visitors every year who ask that question. It surprises them that during a hot summer day the caves are a comfortable 17 degrees Celsius. During a cold winter day the surprise is that the caves are so much warmer than outside, a cozy 17 degrees Celsius. The caves stay close to the same temperature all the year round. The reason is that the surrounding rock is quite massive and an enormous amount of heat is needed to change its temperature. As air flows through a cave it comes in contact with the wall and, depending on the time of year, either warms or cools and hence ends up an even 17 degrees Celsius. Most caves exhibit the same phenomena although the temperature that they stabilise at will vary depending on what the average temperature is of the area they are in. Understanding about the stable air temperature in the caves helps to understand why there is always fresh air despite large numbers of visitors passing through the caves. As visitors pass through they exhale carbon dioxide. If there was no air flow the carbon dioxide would collect in the cave and eventually it would become stifling. It would also start to corrode the formations. Fortunately we are helped by the fact the hot air rises. During the winter months the air inside the caves is warmer than that outside. The air flows up and out of the cave. Since there are several entrances to the caves, the air flows out of the higher entrances and sucks cold air in through the lower entrances. The cold air that is drawn in is then warmed up, flows through the cave collecting the carbon dioxide and replacing it with oxygen. Eventually the air floats up and out through an upper entrance. The cycle continues, replacing the stale air. During the summer months the opposite happens. During these months the air inside the caves is cooler than outside and hence it sinks and flows out a lower entrance. This draws in warm air through an upper entrance and hence another air cycle is created. Since it is very rare that the temperature outside will be exactly the same as that inside the caves, there will almost always be an air flow occurring to flush the caves of stale air. Other atmospheric conditions will also contribute to air flow. Changing air pressure is a significant factor, especially where the cave only has one entrance. Think of a cave as being like a big plastic bottle. If you blow into a bottle the air inside will compress and assume the same pressure as that outside, i.e.. inside your mouth. As soon as you take the bottle away from your mouth, the pressure outside the bottle drops and a small rush of air occurs coming out of the bottle. Returning to the cave, air pressure is always changing. If the air pressure outside the cave increases, it forces more air into the cave. As the air pressure drops, the air that is stored inside the cave starts to rush back to the surface, causing a breeze. Breezes are one way in which cave explorers find new caves. As they crawl around inside a cave they try and sense gentle breezes. Sometimes they will light a candle to see if the flame flickers in a breeze which is too faint to feel. If they find a breeze it often means there is a passage nearby that connects to other passages that are large enough to contain lots of air that responds to changes in air pressure. |
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QUOTE(Aurora @ Sep 14 2010, 09:58 PM) This doesn't explain the heat generated from inner sun. There is no heat source in cave. There are also cave water than helps to cool the temperature down there. In mines cave, with only human body heat, the temperature would rise. Miners would use induced ventilation (using fan) to withdraw the hot air and draw cool air into these caves. in mines the rock do get hotter when you go deeper, in deepest mine that are 3.9 km down rock are 60C, they need aircon for the worker to work there safely. and the crystal cave that ScrewBallX posted, you will die in ten minutes walking in there without proper equipment. the cave are only 300m down but is on top of a magma chamber so the water got heated that is how the crystal are formed in mineral rich water with high temperature |
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How would a hollow earth with an inner sun formed in the first place? What is the critical mass before a lump of matter becomes a shining sun? How would an inner sun this small maintain equilibrium in the center as the earth rotates wobbly on it's own axis and around the sun in an elliptical orbit while the moon is pulling? Why water falling in the openings to the hollow earth not pull towards the center of gravity where the inner sun is? How would a weather system form since the inner sun is always shinning at presumably constant temperature?
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