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Investment D'PULZE CYBERJAYA [OWNERS' THREAD], RM200k+ condos coming to Cyberjaya

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CMW123
post Nov 22 2013, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(DrPitchard @ Nov 22 2013, 02:55 PM)
Don't think they will be interested to acquire back after a certain period. This comes from experience as I am currently in the IT hospitality business. For the projects that I handle, hotel management companies usually sign a long term contract with the building owners to manage the place. Same like what we have here, where Ascott will manage the hotel, on a 5+5 year contract that they sign with the individual unit owners.

Even for existing or refurbished units, the hotel management company won't acquire but rather, sign lease contracts with the owners. There are a few examples of serviced residence within the city centre, or to be specific, near KLCC and also along Jalan Bukit Bintang, where I have projects that are based on such practices.

RM900+psf is indeed on the high side. Can easily back calculate to see the feasibility. Assuming a 6.5% GRR from the price of RM470k. That will yield RM31k per year, or around RM2,600 per month. Based on the current hotel/resort pricing of Shaftsbury Residence, Primera Business Suites, Pullman Putrajaya and Putrajay Mariott, a reasonable price will be RM230/night upon launch. Assuming a decent occupancy rate of 60%, that will be 0.6 x 30 days x RM230 = RM4,200.

The gross profit is RM1,600. If you calculate the housekeeping maintenance, electricity bill, hotel/resort maintenance(sinking fund), staff salary, sales & marketing and others, nett profit will be really low and not much.

Doesn't look like a solid, sustainable plan, to be honest.
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GRR Boss, nice to learn from you again...

The GRR is 6% and not 6.5% unless earlier buyer got a better offer

There are 3 unit sizes n if exclude the 2 bedroom one and only discuss on the 1 bedroom units, there are

1) 301 sf unit, 1 bed, no living sofa but have kitchenette but no dining table
2) 527 sf unit, 1 bed, living sofa, kitchenette, dining table for 4 person n even a study table

The Rm470k+ is for the 527 sf unit. The Rm230/nite u quoted should be more for the 301 sf unit. And the 527 sf unit should be higher rate and more suited for those who intended to stay longer than 1 or few nites or those with higher budget

How much u reckon will be rate for the 527 sf unit n what is the net profit %?

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post Nov 23 2013, 03:56 AM

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QUOTE(CMW123 @ Nov 22 2013, 04:07 PM)
GRR Boss, nice to learn from you again...

The GRR is 6% and not 6.5% unless earlier buyer got a better offer

There are 3 unit sizes n if exclude the 2 bedroom one and only discuss on the 1 bedroom units, there are

1) 301 sf unit, 1 bed, no living sofa but have kitchenette but no dining table
2) 527 sf unit, 1 bed, living sofa, kitchenette, dining table for 4 person n even a study table

The Rm470k+ is for the 527 sf unit. The Rm230/nite u quoted should be more for the 301 sf unit. And the 527 sf unit should be higher rate and more suited for those who intended to stay longer than 1 or few nites or those with higher budget

How much u reckon will be rate for the 527 sf unit n what is the net profit %?
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Actually, my pricing of RM230/night is for the 527 sqft unit. Shaftsbury 600sqft unit is going for RM250. So I guess RM230/night for the 527 sqft unit will be fair. Again, I'm assuming this Ascott at Cyberjaya will be a 4* hotel, if it's a 5* hotel on par with Pullman and Shangri-La, then rates will be higher for sure.
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post Nov 23 2013, 09:05 AM

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Yup, the first day buyers got the most discount. Atleast 10%-15% lower than the price indicated in this forum.

QUOTE(CMW123 @ Nov 22 2013, 04:07 PM)
GRR Boss, nice to learn from you again...

The GRR is 6% and not 6.5% unless earlier buyer got a better offer

There are 3 unit sizes n if exclude the 2 bedroom one and only discuss on the 1 bedroom units, there are

1) 301 sf unit, 1 bed, no living sofa but have kitchenette but no dining table
2) 527 sf unit, 1 bed, living sofa, kitchenette, dining table for 4 person n even a study table

The Rm470k+ is for the 527 sf unit. The Rm230/nite u quoted should be more for the 301 sf unit. And the 527 sf unit should be higher rate and more suited for those who intended to stay longer than 1 or few nites or those with higher budget

How much u reckon will be rate for the 527 sf unit n what is the net profit %?
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post Nov 23 2013, 09:06 AM

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The room rate is reasonable which is wat developer told buyers.

QUOTE(DrPitchard @ Nov 23 2013, 03:56 AM)
Actually, my pricing of RM230/night is for the 527 sqft unit. Shaftsbury 600sqft unit is going for RM250. So I guess RM230/night for the 527 sqft unit will be fair. Again, I'm assuming this Ascott at Cyberjaya will be a 4* hotel, if it's a 5* hotel on par with Pullman and Shangri-La, then rates will be higher for sure.
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post Nov 23 2013, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(noblebaby @ Nov 23 2013, 09:06 AM)
The room rate is reasonable which is wat developer told buyers.
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In that case, what is the room rate planned for the RM301 sf unit?
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post Nov 23 2013, 03:22 PM

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301sqft unit still available? I dont hav the rate.

QUOTE(CMW123 @ Nov 23 2013, 12:53 PM)
In that case, what is the room rate planned for the RM301 sf unit?
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post Nov 23 2013, 06:04 PM

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QUOTE(noblebaby @ Nov 23 2013, 09:06 AM)
The room rate is reasonable which is wat developer told buyers.
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QUOTE(CMW123 @ Nov 23 2013, 12:53 PM)
In that case, what is the room rate planned for the RM301 sf unit?
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QUOTE(noblebaby @ Nov 23 2013, 03:22 PM)
301sqft unit still available?  I dont hav the rate.
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My whole point of doing the financial modeling was to show that it is rather quite hard to be profitable from the given current pricing. Customers are buying at a high premium and the price that they are paying might include the rental yield too. Possibly a fair price is RM750psf but developer is giving it to buyers at RM900psf.

Might be a little tough to flip upon completion as the property is only limited to rental/investment purpose.
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post Nov 23 2013, 09:34 PM

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QUOTE(DrPitchard @ Nov 23 2013, 06:04 PM)
My whole point of doing the financial modeling was to show that it is rather quite hard to be profitable from the given current pricing. Customers are buying at a high premium and the price that they are paying might include the rental yield too. Possibly a fair price is RM750psf but developer is giving it to buyers at RM900psf.

Might be a little tough to flip upon completion as the property is only limited to rental/investment purpose.
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Cann't help to agree with u that developer is using the purchaser's money to pay him back for the rental guarantee. And no free nite is provided so even if the purchaser treat it as a collection item, he still need to pay to stay there to check on his investment collection...
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post Nov 23 2013, 09:58 PM

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QUOTE(CMW123 @ Nov 23 2013, 09:34 PM)
Cann't help to agree with u that developer is using the purchaser's money to pay him back for the rental guarantee. And no free nite is provided so even if the purchaser treat it as a collection item, he still need to pay to stay there to check on his investment collection...
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Nvm lo he stays the nite at SH... tongue.gif
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post Nov 23 2013, 10:35 PM

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Who is he???

QUOTE(shinebr8 @ Nov 23 2013, 09:58 PM)
Nvm lo he stays the nite at SH... tongue.gif
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post Nov 24 2013, 07:16 AM

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QUOTE(noblebaby @ Nov 23 2013, 10:35 PM)
Who is he???
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U la..
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post Nov 24 2013, 09:46 AM

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Haha. I can stay at MO and drive via MEX.

QUOTE(shinebr8 @ Nov 24 2013, 07:16 AM)
U la..
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post Nov 24 2013, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(noblebaby @ Nov 24 2013, 09:46 AM)
Haha. I can stay at MO and drive via MEX.
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That makes sense also...hehe
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post Nov 25 2013, 02:31 AM

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QUOTE(CMW123 @ Nov 22 2013, 04:07 PM)
GRR Boss, nice to learn from you again...

The GRR is 6% and not 6.5% unless earlier buyer got a better offer

There are 3 unit sizes n if exclude the 2 bedroom one and only discuss on the 1 bedroom units, there are

1) 301 sf unit, 1 bed, no living sofa but have kitchenette but no dining table
2) 527 sf unit, 1 bed, living sofa, kitchenette, dining table for 4 person n even a study table

The Rm470k+ is for the 527 sf unit. The Rm230/nite u quoted should be more for the 301 sf unit. And the 527 sf unit should be higher rate and more suited for those who intended to stay longer than 1 or few nites or those with higher budget

How much u reckon will be rate for the 527 sf unit n what is the net profit %?
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Seems like u hav all the details...did u buy any unit? I remember u asking for the agent details...hahaha

my investment more on the long term. I got a 70% loan on it. The 6% rental return is based on S&P price(not the loan amount as some other GRR project by a different developer), so if the hotel managetment can pay me 6% every year (hopefully wont go lower lah) then i can pay back all loans by end of lease period 15 years. After that it's all mine for free😊

Btw, my mistake saying that it is sold out before this, apparently my agent is still selling it. Still got around 15units open bcoz of loan reject. This is his advertisement btw.

http://www.mudah.my/vi/24310345.htm?ca=9_s


https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...95&hl=citadines
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post Nov 25 2013, 08:22 AM

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I guess ppls who invested in this are looking for long term rental play, not short term flip, coz owner must sell back to developer (if developer agree to buy back).

QUOTE(Casau @ Nov 25 2013, 02:31 AM)
Seems like u hav all the details...did u buy any unit? I remember u asking for the agent details...hahaha

my investment more on the long term. I got a 70% loan on it. The 6% rental return is based on S&P price(not the loan amount as some other GRR project by a different developer), so if the hotel managetment can pay me 6% every year (hopefully wont go lower lah) then i can pay back all loans by end of lease period 15 years. After that it's all mine for free😊

Btw, my mistake saying that it is sold out before this, apparently my agent is still selling it. Still got around 15units open bcoz of loan reject. This is his advertisement btw.

http://www.mudah.my/vi/24310345.htm?ca=9_s
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...95&hl=citadines
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post Jan 18 2014, 05:22 PM

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anyone renting out any unit in DPulze?
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QUOTE(sasha26 @ Jan 18 2014, 05:22 PM)
anyone renting out any unit in DPulze?
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post Jan 18 2014, 11:18 PM

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When is VP?

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QUOTE(noblebaby @ Jan 18 2014, 11:18 PM)
When is VP?
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Latest should be end of 2Q
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