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Investment D'PULZE CYBERJAYA [OWNERS' THREAD], RM200k+ condos coming to Cyberjaya

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DrPitchard
post Oct 16 2013, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(noblebaby @ Oct 12 2013, 10:27 PM)
Mall: structural completed
Citadines Hotel: only completed level 2 structural work. Total of 7 floors.
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Besides Cyberview Resort & Spa, there are no other hotels in Cyberjaya currently, right? So Citadines will be the first?
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post Oct 16 2013, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(xyyap @ Oct 16 2013, 02:20 PM)
Citadines & Tune hotel will be the next...
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I hope it will really kick off. Not sure what was Tony Fernandez eyeing though when he choose Cyberjaya. Up until today, I don't see a real sexy magnet that will make Cyberjaya a tourist destination. Thus, why have hotels there? From what I know, most MNC's have their own service apartments for their expats from overseas, be it short term or long term. It's not scenic at night and most big events are at Putrajaya, such as the International Fireworks Competition and also events hosted at Putrajaya International Convention Centre.

The only thing that I can think at the back of my head is the annual convocation ceremony, a few nights when families of the graduates will book rooms at the hotel till its fully occupied.

Anything else I'm missing?
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post Oct 16 2013, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(SOHOVOFO @ Oct 16 2013, 03:18 PM)
Perhaps it's because it's near to LCCT.
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There is already a Tune Hotel outlet at LCCT itself, and it's walking distance (less than 1km away). There are 200+ rooms there.
As for KLIA, there is Sama-sama Hotel and also Concorde.

And within 10km radius from KLIA & LCCT, you have more than 10 hotels/motels at Sepang town.

Thus, I don't think the target market for hotels in Cyber are the air travelers.
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post Oct 16 2013, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(noblebaby @ Oct 16 2013, 04:25 PM)
Do u know tht tune hotel at LCCT is alwaz full? Expat at cyberjaya alwaz travel to kl and stay at the Ascott apartment there. This is market research by the hotel operator.

I hav 3 rooms at Citadines :-)
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When one has a direct stake in a project/development, surely one will dig out all positive news regarding it and would want to fully believe in it...Well, who wants to be on the wrong side of things anyway? :-)

There is no doubt that they will surely be some expats travelling to KL. But how will the occupancy rate for hotels in Cyberjaya be? That we will have to wait and find out.

I do have some investment in Cyberjaya as well, and as much as I want it to prosper, I need to be realistic of the chances of that happening, without being bias to any of the external factors that might affect the outcome.
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post Nov 22 2013, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(noblebaby @ Nov 19 2013, 04:44 PM)
5xx sqft. I know the $psf is high. but my exit strategy is acquisition by Ascott.
still got unit available?
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Don't think they will be interested to acquire back after a certain period. This comes from experience as I am currently in the IT hospitality business. For the projects that I handle, hotel management companies usually sign a long term contract with the building owners to manage the place. Same like what we have here, where Ascott will manage the hotel, on a 5+5 year contract that they sign with the individual unit owners.

Even for existing or refurbished units, the hotel management company won't acquire but rather, sign lease contracts with the owners. There are a few examples of serviced residence within the city centre, or to be specific, near KLCC and also along Jalan Bukit Bintang, where I have projects that are based on such practices.

RM900+psf is indeed on the high side. Can easily back calculate to see the feasibility. Assuming a 6.5% GRR from the price of RM470k. That will yield RM31k per year, or around RM2,600 per month. Based on the current hotel/resort pricing of Shaftsbury Residence, Primera Business Suites, Pullman Putrajaya and Putrajay Mariott, a reasonable price will be RM230/night upon launch. Assuming a decent occupancy rate of 60%, that will be 0.6 x 30 days x RM230 = RM4,200.

The gross profit is RM1,600. If you calculate the housekeeping maintenance, electricity bill, hotel/resort maintenance(sinking fund), staff salary, sales & marketing and others, nett profit will be really low and not much.

Doesn't look like a solid, sustainable plan, to be honest.
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QUOTE(CMW123 @ Nov 22 2013, 04:07 PM)
GRR Boss, nice to learn from you again...

The GRR is 6% and not 6.5% unless earlier buyer got a better offer

There are 3 unit sizes n if exclude the 2 bedroom one and only discuss on the 1 bedroom units, there are

1) 301 sf unit, 1 bed, no living sofa but have kitchenette but no dining table
2) 527 sf unit, 1 bed, living sofa, kitchenette, dining table for 4 person n even a study table

The Rm470k+ is for the 527 sf unit. The Rm230/nite u quoted should be more for the 301 sf unit. And the 527 sf unit should be higher rate and more suited for those who intended to stay longer than 1 or few nites or those with higher budget

How much u reckon will be rate for the 527 sf unit n what is the net profit %?
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Actually, my pricing of RM230/night is for the 527 sqft unit. Shaftsbury 600sqft unit is going for RM250. So I guess RM230/night for the 527 sqft unit will be fair. Again, I'm assuming this Ascott at Cyberjaya will be a 4* hotel, if it's a 5* hotel on par with Pullman and Shangri-La, then rates will be higher for sure.
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post Nov 23 2013, 06:04 PM

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QUOTE(noblebaby @ Nov 23 2013, 09:06 AM)
The room rate is reasonable which is wat developer told buyers.
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QUOTE(CMW123 @ Nov 23 2013, 12:53 PM)
In that case, what is the room rate planned for the RM301 sf unit?
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QUOTE(noblebaby @ Nov 23 2013, 03:22 PM)
301sqft unit still available?  I dont hav the rate.
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My whole point of doing the financial modeling was to show that it is rather quite hard to be profitable from the given current pricing. Customers are buying at a high premium and the price that they are paying might include the rental yield too. Possibly a fair price is RM750psf but developer is giving it to buyers at RM900psf.

Might be a little tough to flip upon completion as the property is only limited to rental/investment purpose.

 

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