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The Envoy
post Sep 28 2010, 05:53 PM

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Queue cutting is everywhere in the world. It all depends on how impatient or civic conscious you are. The way you are brought up in, environment etc. does affect it, but it is not limited to Malaysia/China.
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post Sep 28 2010, 06:04 PM

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yes, i agree it happen to everywhere in the world but a lot less in advanced countries like europe or US or SG or AU.
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post Sep 30 2010, 11:50 PM

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I can tell you the location people cut queue that you can video without fail and probably land you an award. Try Masjid Jamek Lrt station at 5.30pm.
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post Oct 1 2010, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(barista @ Sep 7 2010, 03:32 PM)
Once or twice I did tell the person who is trying to cut queue to go behind the line.
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You are brave man, I normally don't have the guts to do so. (if I faced someone cutting my queue)

For me, I think that Malaysia is a country with one culture containing these two major points:

1) If you have money, you won;

2) If you or your family have great powers or even it's only you knew someone with great powers, you won.

So instead of considering about people's levels of education which effect whether they cut queue or not, I think most people I encountered cutting queue are those whom I myself would not dare to challenge.

No matter how highly educated they are, they could just do whatever they like if they have money or powers or both.

And this applies to many fields, not limited to cutting queue.

This post has been edited by L.A.C: Oct 1 2010, 11:38 AM
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post Oct 1 2010, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(L.A.C @ Oct 1 2010, 11:30 AM)
You are brave man, I normally don't have the guts to do so. (if I faced someone cutting my queue)

For me, I think that Malaysia is a country with one culture containing these two major points:

1) If you have money, you won;

2) If you or your family have great powers or even it's only you knew someone with great powers, you won.

So instead of considering about people's levels of education which effect whether they cut queue or not, I think most people I encountered cutting queue are those whom I myself would not dare to challenge.

No matter how highly educated they are, they could just do whatever they like if they have money or powers or both.

And this applies to many fields, not limited to cutting queue.
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What you are saying is high level of cutting cue. It is different from the kind of queue cutting in my mind. There are those who are not bothered to queue because of their low mentality. Most of the times these are people who are not civic minded. In another word, ignorant-selfish-uneducated-a-hole. Yeah...that's one word.... smile.gif
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post Oct 7 2010, 09:40 AM

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Well, I have told people to get back in line and will continue to do so. At the end of the day. it boils down to education and the example parents show.

I know the TS specifically said not about cutting queue when driving, but I do not see how this is irrelevant. How many times have we seen a dad or mom cutting queue with their children in the car?

I made a promise to myself that when I have kids and when I need to pick my kids up from school, I will never park by the side of the road so indiscriminately like so many parents do these days. What are we trying to teach?
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post Oct 7 2010, 10:25 AM

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good sharing, and seriously, at peak hours in LRT/KTM station where the people are many, it tends to have people cutting queue. I've seen people like that at KLCC, Kg.Baru,Ampang Park, Masjid Jamek, Wangsa Maju LRT stations around 8.30am and around 6pm.

since no one shared about religious point of view, and i do not want people to think that religions TOTALLY didn't touched about that issue, im going to share something. im going to share it from Christian Holy Bible by the way.

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EXODUS 20:17
"You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor."

One of the famous 10 Commandments. First of all, what does covet means.

cov·et/ˈkəvit/
Verb: Yearn to possess or have (something)
:according to google

in this case, the "something" means the position in the queue that the people have.

Secondly, who is "your neighbour"? neighbour does not only mean the families who are living beside your house, it also means the people around you, in this context, the people in the queue.

So, to put the commandment in this situation, it would be: " You shall not yearn to possess the position of the people in queue".

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JAMES 4:17
"Whoever knows what is right but doesn't do it is sinning." (GOD's WORD Translation)

I think this is pretty self-explanatory.

If you think it answers the question on "How religion views queue cutting" great, i'm happy to be able of help;if you don't then....just leave it.

Please to not quote this and flame, it doesn't matter what religion you are in, as long as something is good and is applicable, we should all learn from it. If you have any problems with those, feel free to PM me if you think that it might spark unwanted flaming. I'll remove this if deemed necessary by me or mods.

This post has been edited by LovesReborn: Oct 7 2010, 10:26 AM
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post Oct 7 2010, 10:34 AM

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In UK/US also got ppl cutting Q le especially those nigar, just bump in and order. If u protest, u ll become the burger. The worst 1 is not in china, its vietnam. They ll cut Q even in airport.
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post Oct 7 2010, 10:37 AM

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Excellent question my friend.

My view on this, which is already expressed previously, self-centered. The feeling that they are more important than everyone else around. Thus creating a chain-reaction that they needs to get where they're going faster than you.

How they were brought up is the second factor. A person who grows up watching their parents cut queue will have a pre-installed mind that it is not wrong to do so.

Third is education. From house of school. Both plays an important part in this. You don't need a Degree to have common sense. So this relates back to the first factor.

On the religion side, I personally think it is sinful to cut cue. Why I say this? In Islam, you are told not to hurt others (physical/mental/emotional). So when you cut cues, people will be hurt and thus a free sin for you.
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QUOTE(LovesReborn @ Oct 7 2010, 10:25 AM)
good sharing, and seriously, at peak hours in LRT/KTM station where the people are many, it tends to have people cutting queue. I've seen people like that at KLCC, Kg.Baru,Ampang Park, Masjid Jamek, Wangsa Maju LRT stations around 8.30am and around 6pm.

since no one shared about religious point of view, and i do not want people to think that religions TOTALLY didn't touched about that issue, im going to share something. im going to share it from Christian Holy Bible by the way.
One of the famous 10 Commandments. First of all, what does covet means.

cov·et/ˈkəvit/
Verb: Yearn to possess or have (something)
:according to google

in this case, the "something" means the position in the queue that the people have.

Secondly, who is "your neighbour"? neighbour does not only mean the families who are living beside your house, it also means the people around you, in this context, the people in the queue.

So, to put the commandment in this situation, it would be: " You shall not yearn to possess the position of the people in queue".
I think this is pretty self-explanatory.

If you think it answers the question on "How religion views queue cutting" great, i'm happy to be able of help;if you don't then....just leave it.

Please to not quote this and flame, it doesn't matter what religion you are in, as long as something is good and is applicable, we should all learn from it. If you have any problems with those, feel free to PM me if you think that it might spark unwanted flaming. I'll remove this if deemed necessary by me or mods.
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Ah...good example. Let me ask you then...since this is a sin, is there such things as big sin or small sin? Like killing people compared to cutting queue? Will religious people be thinking..this is only small sin..don't care.


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post Oct 7 2010, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE(abubin @ Oct 7 2010, 11:54 AM)
Ah...good example. Let me ask you then...since this is a sin, is there such things as big sin or small sin? Like killing people compared to cutting queue? Will religious people be thinking..this is only small sin..don't care.
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im not sure about other religions, in Christianity there's no such thing as big sin small sin, a sin is a sin, and in the old testament(before Christ) sacrifices are needed for any kind of sin that each person did. You tell a lie to a person but no one gets hurt; you tell a lie and many people gets hurt, they do not matter, still you told a LIE. God's standard is VERY high, even thinking of bad things is considered a sin, let's say, you drove a car and someone ACCIDENTALLY cut your lane almost banging your car and you thought of scolding him,even though you did not actually scold him, you sinned. This is why many Christians say EVERYONE sinned(exept Jesus who is a man yet GOD, it's hard to explain here... smile.gif ), and many non-Christians get offended.
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post Oct 7 2010, 04:41 PM

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To cut queue is akin to robbing another's turn of a line. And is robbery not a sin?

And surely it is an act stemming from the lack of courtesy and civility, i.e. kiasu-ism.
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post Oct 14 2010, 09:37 AM

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It is a human nature to think for them self and being selfish. This can be rectified when the person is at younger age.
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post Oct 14 2010, 06:31 PM

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If you're being cut queue while lining up buying stuff, let him cut in front of you and you stand beside him. Then cut him back! There you go, you're in front of him already! I don't think this is a very serious issues la. In my life i seldom see people cut queue while lining up to pay. Unless it's in LRT or KTM cause there's no queue at all. Everyboy was gushing in and out once the train stop so how to queue?

However, one thing i cannot tolerate is when drivers cut queue on traffic light. Wait for good 3 minutes on red light and out of nowhere some buggers come drive in front and try to cut. This will not tolerate. What makes you so superior that you have the right to cut queue when all the drivers behind wait patiently for few minutes due to red light? The car that you drive make you more superior? Cause it's bigger and more expensive? I have encountered this dozens time and if they ever cut in front of me, i will move my car as close as i can to the car in front and if they still try to cut, i honk them till kingdom come man. Always happen in USJ toll from PLUS highway.
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Normally if someone cuts queue I will shout "HOOI U tak tahu berbaris ah? ", then everyone will look at the fella then the fella will malu and go back to the line
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actually i think the climate has alot to do with us behaving in this way (cutting q, etc).

for example in driving. looks at typical msian driving style. always rushing, to get from A to B.

i notice many ppl once they get into their crs will start to complain its hot and warm. of course its hot, we live near the equator!

i'm sure most of them r very well educated. at least most of them finishes schools or colleges.

so i think yea we need to stop being in a hurry, be more patient. and tolerate the warm weather.
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QUOTE(heavenly91 @ Oct 14 2010, 07:59 PM)
Normally if someone cuts queue I will shout "HOOI U tak tahu berbaris ah? ", then everyone will look at the fella then the fella will malu and go back to the line
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That is nasty. But, what if everyone simply looks away? I mean, you assumed that you have a friendly crowd, like kampung friends, etc. I was cut many times when traveling in Beijing, and each time, it did not cross my mind to draw the public's attention.
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QUOTE(trinityz @ Oct 14 2010, 06:31 PM)
However, one thing i cannot tolerate is when drivers cut queue on traffic light. Wait for good 3 minutes on red light and out of nowhere some buggers come drive in front and try to cut. This will not tolerate.
i used to think like you last time. i never let these ppl pass. but years of experience on the road later...i find that the reason for them trying to move into your lane isnt necessarily because they cant wait in line. Its more than likely because they arent familiar with the road. And sometimes...it might also be because they have an emergency.

As i grow more and more calm and understanding, i seldom stop ppl from changing into my lane. I start to apply the give and take outlook on the road. I learn to trust that majority of ppl arent asholes and if they need to cut queue, there must be a good reason for it. So what if some of these really are uneducated bustards...it wont affect your life one bit. There is vitue to erring on the side of caution. The passenger in the other car may be dying for all we know.
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in my personal experience, most of the queue cutters are of chinese descent. perhaps it's the chinese culture that dictates everyone for himself, or selfish is the way, or do whatever it takes to get what you want

this can be applied to the Chinese driver giving bribes as well. once I opened up a thread about "why do you give bribes to the policemen" and in general. the Chinese say that "why bother paying the full saman if you can just give RM50"

to get back to the TS's question, no I dont think it's the education level, but it's the Chinese culture that makes it ok for your kind to cut the queues. and to give bribes.

sorry for sounding a little racist and prejudiced, but this is my observation of the Chinese culture. Malays on the other hand, don't speak up. so it's not the best amalgam of society when the Chinese steps on everybody's toes.
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QUOTE(teongpeng @ Nov 7 2010, 06:49 PM)
i used to think like you last time. i never let these ppl pass. but years of experience on the road later...i find that the reason for them trying to move into your lane isnt necessarily because they cant wait in line. Its more than likely because they arent familiar with the road. And sometimes...it might also be because they have an emergency.

As i grow more and more calm and understanding, i seldom stop ppl from changing into my lane. I start to apply the give and take outlook on the road. I learn to trust that majority of ppl arent asholes and if they need to cut queue, there must be a good reason for it. So what if some of these really are uneducated bustards...it wont affect your life one bit. There is vitue to erring on the side of caution. The passenger in the other car may be dying for all we know.
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I like the way you think. Be optimistic and forgiving and you lift a heavy burden off your chest. smile.gif

I agree with what some of our forumers say that it's a matter of civic-mindedness. It's akin to throwing rubbish by the road side. For kids, it would be the influence of their upbringing. However for those of us who have already passed that stage, I genuinely believe it boils down to the way we carry ourselves. Our attitude and principles towards day-to-day habits like this.

In terms of religion I have no comment. I still think it's more of an attitude problem rather than religious beliefs. I have seen people who can pray 7 days a week, but still argue with every person on the road over petty little things or squeeze discounts out of a poor vendor.


Personally whenever I encounter people who cut que, I just live and let live. There's no excuse to cut que especially those who "pretend" to look at what's up front. If you're courteous, you'll ask "oh, are you que-ing here?". Though I was abit angered when I saw two teenagers cut a que of 2000 people during the UniQlo opening last week.



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