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post Sep 7 2010, 05:37 PM

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i also sometime cut queue when im in a rush.

but if there no rush i also maki at the queue cutters

hahahaahahahah!!! what u give you get back i guees.
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post Sep 7 2010, 05:38 PM

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asians have no mentality of que up...
u can see it at lrt.. or ktm..
theres marks on the platform..
let others out before enter, que on the side..
but everyone try to go in at once.
kurang ajar mah...

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post Sep 7 2010, 05:38 PM

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i am fine with people "cutting queue" by having same family member queuing in different line. That is not really cutting queue to me because they do have people queue up for the line.

What I don't like is how people find every hole they can squeeze into and then come out in front of someone and they still think it's fair and square method of queuing.

Thus in third world country, people have to stand very near to each other or else someone else will try to cut queue. That is why sometimes you see those aunties (especially aunties) stand so near to you that you can hear her breathing, that's because they scared people cut their queue. The thing is, most of the time, those people who stand so near in queue are those who cut queues.

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post Sep 7 2010, 05:46 PM

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true.. 3rd world country mentality..

i dont understand... they cut que to go into elevator, yet stand in the front of it.. if u want to go in first... move to the back.. and then they same people who want to exit first!!..WTF!!..

sampai tak masuk akal...

but i have been in usa for 25yrs.. still trying to adjust to life in malaysia.!

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post Sep 7 2010, 05:50 PM

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Just had a thought, such queue-cutters are driven not so much by the lack of patience but they're driven by FULLNESS OF SELF a.k.a. SELFISH.

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QUOTE(ravi6662 @ Sep 7 2010, 05:46 PM)
true.. 3rd world country mentality..

i dont understand... they cut que to go into elevator, yet stand in the front of it.. if u want to go in first... move to the back.. and then they same people who want to exit first!!..WTF!!..

sampai tak masuk akal...

but i have been in usa for 25yrs.. still trying to adjust to life in malaysia.!
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yes...elevator also another good example. These people just enter only. Don't care if people are coming out. Got one time, I made a sound of dissatisfaction when a girl just rush into the lift when the door open. I had to let her in only I can go out. After that, I think I heard some noise from her. She is saying something that sound like "what's the problem with me". Like she do not think she did anything wrong.

That's the malaysian mentality...even if you are at fault..you still say others are wrong.


Added on September 7, 2010, 6:16 pmBTW...any comment from religion point of view? Is cutting queue a sin? I know religion teach people on doing good things. So is cutting queue something bad? What will god think about you if you cut queue?

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*reminder - i think sharing religious point of view is fine but please refrain from making it into a war. if anyone deems another person's opinion is wrong or misleading, just say your thought with manner and let the readers decide on their own. smile.gif
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post Sep 7 2010, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Sep 7 2010, 05:50 PM)
Just had a thought, such queue-cutters are driven not so much by the lack of patience but they're driven by FULLNESS OF SELF a.k.a. SELFISH.

my time more important than your time. I'm more important than you.
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my friend once has this idea that queue cutting is a symptom of dissatisfaction with one's lot in life. i.e. i'm not getting what i want in some aspect of my life, so i act selfishly in order to get what i want in other aspects
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post Sep 7 2010, 10:52 PM

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1 - High Class Place, in short, places where you can't spend with your RM100 - but sometimes some auntie who is damn rich will still cut your queue because they think they are queen.

2 - Low Class Place, in short, train station like KTM. Nobody will queue as in like whenever a person went into the station, they lost all sense of bahasa. No matter how many times the operator trying to tell them to queue, there's still some idiot who will stand infront of the door blocking people coming out.

So what I do when I see this kind of people? I just ignore them as they didn't exists at all but if for situation like KTM, I will just scold that person. Happen a lot of time during I'm trying to get off train in KL sentral. Either end up somebody getting punch from me or scold.
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post Sep 8 2010, 02:09 AM

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When I see people cutting queue , I do only one thing. I turn on the volume of my ipod louder and hypnotize myself through the whole process.

Education certainly play a big part in educating children so that they develop the sense of mannerism and correct ethic to carry. But unfortunately, most of the teachers at school are lazy asses who only wait to get paid every month and teach only whats from the book. Other than that, they do nothing. The signboard at the canteen asking students to queue up is just for decoration and was never meant to be enforced.

The canteen operator often ignore the fact that the children wasnt queuing up, coz they are only after the money after all. As for the teachers, once at the canteen, eyes on food only and they assume that their duty as a teacher is relieved.

I think its bullshit, before we can even depend on education to provide a proper and correct education to the children and teens, we might want to look at what form of education and motivation was given to the Educator themselves first. A horse cannot teach a bird how to run, and a bird cannot teach a cow how to fly.

Parents can teach their children these values, but it is at school that these values can be applied and truly put to test. If there are 200 students in the school and only 20 of them queue up at the canteen, then these 20 pups wont get food at all in the end of the day. Our education system is rotten, they cannot even enforce simple things like "Please Queue Up while buying food" , or "Please leave your plate in the tray after eating" what more if we are expecting them to deliver in science subjects?

Our "Smart" Government is too busy wiping their ass thinking about which language certain subjects should be taught in and if UPSR should be abolished. They cant even solve such a simple thing like Queuing up at school yet. When such a failure is present, then what is before our eyes now in what we see in our daily life, is the result of that failure.

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post Sep 8 2010, 11:21 AM

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When people cut my queue i just let them do it. Im too kind person smile.gif
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post Sep 8 2010, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(Zozi @ Sep 8 2010, 02:09 AM)
When I see people cutting queue , I do only one thing. I turn on the volume of my ipod louder and hypnotize myself through the whole process.

Education certainly play a big part in educating children so that they develop the sense of mannerism and correct ethic to carry. But unfortunately, most of the teachers at school are lazy asses who only wait to get paid every month and teach only whats from the book. Other than that, they do nothing. The signboard at the canteen asking students to queue up is just for decoration and was never meant to be enforced.

The canteen operator often ignore the fact that the children wasnt queuing up, coz they are only after the money after all. As for the teachers, once at the canteen, eyes on food only and they assume that their duty as a teacher is relieved.

I think its bullshit, before we can even depend on education to provide a proper and correct education to the children and teens, we might want to look at what form of education and motivation was given to the Educator themselves first. A horse cannot teach a bird how to run, and a bird cannot teach a cow how to fly.

Parents can teach their children these values, but it is at school that these values can be applied and truly put to test. If there are 200 students in the school and only 20 of them queue up at the canteen, then  these 20 pups wont get food at all in the end of the day. Our education system is rotten, they cannot even enforce simple things like "Please Queue Up while buying food" , or "Please leave your plate in the tray after eating" what more if we are expecting them to deliver in science subjects?

Our "Smart" Government is too busy wiping their ass thinking about which language certain subjects should be taught in and if UPSR should be abolished. They cant even solve such a simple thing like Queuing up at school yet. When such a failure is present, then what is before our eyes now in what we see in our daily life, is the result of that failure.
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Well..I do not totally agree with you on this. At school it's only 50%. Another 50% need to be taught at home or role modeled by the parents. You see, parents have VERY big influence on their kids. What the do, the kids will subconsciously pick up. For example, if the parent always use foul language when talking with someone else on the phone, in front of the child. The child will pick up those attitude and start to yell at people even if they do no use foul language but the attitude is already there.

Same thing apply to cutting queue. What the parent do, the child do it also without feeling remorse because the parent is giving signal that it's okay to do it. Manners still have a long way to go in creating a better society in malaysia. But I do hope we are heading the right direction. However, with all the thinks I am seeing, this will be much longer than I would like it to be. I do not come from rich family nor am I religious person. But I am doing what I can to create a better society. I do not expect 100% moral society but close to that will be nice.
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QUOTE(abubin @ Sep 8 2010, 11:36 AM)
Well..I do not totally agree with you on this. At school it's only 50%. Another 50% need to be taught at home or role modeled by the parents. You see, parents have VERY big influence on their kids. What the do, the kids will subconsciously pick up. For example, if the parent always use foul language when talking with someone else on the phone, in front of the child. The child will pick up those attitude and start to yell at people even if they do no use foul language but the attitude is already there.

Same thing apply to cutting queue. What the parent do, the child do it also without feeling remorse because the parent is giving signal that it's okay to do it. Manners still have a long way to go in creating a better society in malaysia. But I do hope we are heading the right direction. However, with all the thinks I am seeing, this will be much longer than I would like it to be. I do not come from rich family nor am I religious person. But I am doing what I can to create a better society. I do not expect 100% moral society but close to that will be nice.
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Yeah i fully understand where you're coming from, I mentioned mostly about school and educator's role in playing a part in instilling these values because TS mentioned about Education's part in this in the topic description. True that parents play a bigger role in nurturing the child than anyone else, but my point is, at school children tend to face "Queuing up" more than at home. Example given would be, school canteen, bookshop, bus stop, or submitting homeworks. Even if the parents managed to teach their children the importance of queuing up, but if at school the teachers failed to enforce this value, it would be useless as well. Another fine example would be, parents teaching children about harmony among races and the recent case where a school principal threw racist remark to the student and thus creating a wrong impression of what is right or wrong. Teachers are parents too, if they failed in making sure the children at school queue up whenever they are supposed to, then to what extend they would be a good parent , parenting their child ?
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post Sep 8 2010, 02:09 PM

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fully agree with zozi ...
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have a good and safe hari raya to all.!!..
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post Sep 8 2010, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Sep 7 2010, 05:11 PM)
In Malaysia, I think cutting queue like at fast food restaurants aren't that great an issue.

I rarely see people cut queue, but I see people line up in 2 or more different lines of queue. Eg, a family visits KFC, KFC is often slower in serving than other fast food I believe. In such cases, the family would assign father 1 queue, mother 1 queue, children in another queue or 2.

So quite often the queues actually look long but just wait a while and you'll see that once one of the family members reach the counter, the rest will abandon their queue.

Of course I'm using FAMILY as an example. It could be with a couple, friends or whoever that happens to agree with the pattern.

They just couldn't bear to see the person that came later than them on another queue actually reached the counter first.

Perhaps that's a form of queue-cutting, what do you think?
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This kind of queuing I don't mind as much as they are still queuing. Whoever ditch their line, its a good thing for the guys at the back but might take a little later for the one they goes to. Ordering in one go is still a lot faster than ordering one by one. It's still OK for me.

Fast food chains I rarely see peopel cutting lines. Usually in a more orderly place like this or cinema for example it's a rarity for people to cut queues. Most will do when they're out of this place. Such as at bazaar, festival, etc.

The most shameless type of people I see is when dealing with counters, post office and such. A person can just suddenly went straight to the counter ignoring all the liners or sometime not even taking a number and straight away does his business. What surprises me is that the people at the counters actually serviced those people! I believe it would have been logical and more ethical to just turn them down and tell them to line up. But most people just ignores it and services them like nothing happened.
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post Sep 8 2010, 07:38 PM

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cutting queus, i notice, is more prevalent among women or ppl from chinese educated backgrounds. same with having bad road manners.
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Cutting queue is one common thing.
I even experienced b4 queue-ing in bookstore in one straight line,
but suddenly one auntie queue beside but at the front of me.
And then slowly, more ppl queue behind her instead of the correct line.
Look at our country, wrong thing also can become right.
Aikz....

Anyway, i believe if u told the person who cut ur queue about it he/she will till cooperate with u.
While if u are so unfortunate, probably he/she will just ignore u.

Another related one is the act to be the first instead of slowly cutting the queue.
Example, when the train door just open, just walk into the train before letting anyone out from the train. Same to the lft.

QUOTE(lin00b @ Sep 7 2010, 10:08 PM)
my friend once has this idea that queue cutting is a symptom of dissatisfaction with one's lot in life. i.e. i'm not getting what i want in some aspect of my life, so i act selfishly in order to get what i want in other aspects
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That is consider psychological problem adi.
Need seek help from psychologist.
This psychological problem also apply to some of the rape case out thr.

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post Sep 9 2010, 11:19 AM

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You go to LRT stations, make some observation.

The queue cutters are normally female and of certain race....

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post Sep 9 2010, 11:38 AM

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What about elderly people cutting queue?
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QUOTE(fifi85 @ Sep 8 2010, 02:21 PM)
When people cut my queue i just let them do it. Im too kind person smile.gif
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me too : (

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