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TSabubin
post Sep 7 2010, 03:22 PM, updated 16y ago

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Do any of you experience people cutting your queue or you cutting people's queue? Do not talk about driving. Only applies to human queue.

Such as when buying food or tickets or queuing for rides.

I find that in China, people will cut queue because a lot of these people come from uncivilized part of China. They even have to put queue police in McDonald's to make sure people queue up. Despite that, people are still cutting queue in McD. Anyway, that is China.

What about in Malaysia? Anyone of you think Malaysians are also uncivilized bunch of queue cutting morons?

Education level in Malaysia are pretty high. I am sure people are aware that cutting queue is not right but they still do it. Is it a Malaysian culture thingie?

From religious point of view, religion only emphasize on things that are more serious such as killing or rape or stealing. But petty things like queuing is not enforced in religion. But the thing is, queue cutting is such a small matter that it is no even considered sin? So a man can go cut queue all he wants and still go to heaven (when he die)?

For example, a recent experience I had. I was queuing for a ride in a themepark. There was this man with 2 daughters behind me. Then this man pretend to want to see what's ahead and cross over me to front. Then he started standing next to me. While the queue continue to move, his other two daughter started to walk past in front of him and soon it ended up his family of three standing in front of me. I am sure this guy (and his daughters) know they have cut queue but they acted like nothing. Shouldn't queuing be a mentality thing rather than physical? That means mentally, I know I am behind you. So I just stand where I should and even if I happen to be in front of you, I should be "courteous" enough to let you pass first because I KNOW I am behind you. Instead of physically squeezing in front of people and then thinking...yeah yeah..I am now in front of you...

People who cut queues, don't you have any manners? Or you just do not care because you can get away with it from authorities or from your god?
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post Sep 7 2010, 03:49 PM

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QUOTE(fhatz @ Sep 7 2010, 03:26 PM)
cuz of kiasuness mentality for easy conclusion..

lets say if we/u do like what that guy doing..sure he will mad like hell..
sure spoil ur holiday right that time..
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I am those type that won't let things like this spoil my mood. They want to cut go ahead. I usually have this laid back mood where I am not in a rush to go anywhere. This tend to create less stress. Instead of those rushing to do something to eat rushing to go rides, go watch something...rush rush rush...that is not "holiday" for me.

Reason this is in PhD, is because I also want people to talk about queue mentality from the point of education and religion. Especially do not want /k/ people to reply with their stupid one liners.
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post Sep 7 2010, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(daccorn @ Sep 7 2010, 03:28 PM)
maybe they didn't know you were actually queuing, a lot of the times people standing around the queues might just be looking at the ride, in foreign countries people normally have the etiquette to ask "hi, are you waiting? or hi, are you in the queue?" I do not believe this etiquette exist in Malaysia.

That said, this topic is opened under phd school thread and classified (humanities). Why? :|
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This is clearly a queue line. Everyone there is queuing. You know...those themepark rides where they have clear definition that it is queue for that ride. Yes..people wth etiquette will not do petty things like cutting queue. Only morons who are like staying in caves do that. The bad thing is, he is setting bad example for his child.

I do believe all these bad influence and bad role model does contribute to the bad upbringing which in the end causes bad morality in the society. Things like teen pregnancy and fighting and vandalism all comes from these parents who are irresponsible with teaching their kids. They instill things like education and religion into the kids and put the responsibility in school teachers or god. They themselves are showing bad example.
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post Sep 7 2010, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(exentric_nova @ Sep 7 2010, 04:07 PM)
I find people in Malaysia at least have very little remorse for doing anything that is wrong. It's like 'Wrong? So what? Get lost sucker'. It is a really sad environment.

My worst experience is 3 years ago at Bon Odori. Was lining to buy some stuff for my friends so I lined up at the very back. Damn the queue was so long. But when I finally got closer I knew what was going on. People literally squeezes in from all sides! With no remorse or sorry to those who have lined up for at least half an hour. What's shocking to me is that when I went back to my friends, first thing they said (since I did took a very long time), "You lined up properly is it? Just cut the queue la". I was like WTF.

Sadly this is the kind of mind Malaysian has. Still on 3rd world selfishness with no remorse for doing anything wrong.
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yes..yes...good example of people do it, I do it kind of mentality. The no remorse is because of the upbringing. Their parents did not teach them about manners.
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post Sep 7 2010, 05:38 PM

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i am fine with people "cutting queue" by having same family member queuing in different line. That is not really cutting queue to me because they do have people queue up for the line.

What I don't like is how people find every hole they can squeeze into and then come out in front of someone and they still think it's fair and square method of queuing.

Thus in third world country, people have to stand very near to each other or else someone else will try to cut queue. That is why sometimes you see those aunties (especially aunties) stand so near to you that you can hear her breathing, that's because they scared people cut their queue. The thing is, most of the time, those people who stand so near in queue are those who cut queues.

This post has been edited by abubin: Sep 7 2010, 05:39 PM
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post Sep 7 2010, 06:13 PM

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QUOTE(ravi6662 @ Sep 7 2010, 05:46 PM)
true.. 3rd world country mentality..

i dont understand... they cut que to go into elevator, yet stand in the front of it.. if u want to go in first... move to the back.. and then they same people who want to exit first!!..WTF!!..

sampai tak masuk akal...

but i have been in usa for 25yrs.. still trying to adjust to life in malaysia.!
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yes...elevator also another good example. These people just enter only. Don't care if people are coming out. Got one time, I made a sound of dissatisfaction when a girl just rush into the lift when the door open. I had to let her in only I can go out. After that, I think I heard some noise from her. She is saying something that sound like "what's the problem with me". Like she do not think she did anything wrong.

That's the malaysian mentality...even if you are at fault..you still say others are wrong.


Added on September 7, 2010, 6:16 pmBTW...any comment from religion point of view? Is cutting queue a sin? I know religion teach people on doing good things. So is cutting queue something bad? What will god think about you if you cut queue?

This post has been edited by abubin: Sep 7 2010, 06:16 PM
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post Sep 8 2010, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(Zozi @ Sep 8 2010, 02:09 AM)
When I see people cutting queue , I do only one thing. I turn on the volume of my ipod louder and hypnotize myself through the whole process.

Education certainly play a big part in educating children so that they develop the sense of mannerism and correct ethic to carry. But unfortunately, most of the teachers at school are lazy asses who only wait to get paid every month and teach only whats from the book. Other than that, they do nothing. The signboard at the canteen asking students to queue up is just for decoration and was never meant to be enforced.

The canteen operator often ignore the fact that the children wasnt queuing up, coz they are only after the money after all. As for the teachers, once at the canteen, eyes on food only and they assume that their duty as a teacher is relieved.

I think its bullshit, before we can even depend on education to provide a proper and correct education to the children and teens, we might want to look at what form of education and motivation was given to the Educator themselves first. A horse cannot teach a bird how to run, and a bird cannot teach a cow how to fly.

Parents can teach their children these values, but it is at school that these values can be applied and truly put to test. If there are 200 students in the school and only 20 of them queue up at the canteen, then  these 20 pups wont get food at all in the end of the day. Our education system is rotten, they cannot even enforce simple things like "Please Queue Up while buying food" , or "Please leave your plate in the tray after eating" what more if we are expecting them to deliver in science subjects?

Our "Smart" Government is too busy wiping their ass thinking about which language certain subjects should be taught in and if UPSR should be abolished. They cant even solve such a simple thing like Queuing up at school yet. When such a failure is present, then what is before our eyes now in what we see in our daily life, is the result of that failure.
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Well..I do not totally agree with you on this. At school it's only 50%. Another 50% need to be taught at home or role modeled by the parents. You see, parents have VERY big influence on their kids. What the do, the kids will subconsciously pick up. For example, if the parent always use foul language when talking with someone else on the phone, in front of the child. The child will pick up those attitude and start to yell at people even if they do no use foul language but the attitude is already there.

Same thing apply to cutting queue. What the parent do, the child do it also without feeling remorse because the parent is giving signal that it's okay to do it. Manners still have a long way to go in creating a better society in malaysia. But I do hope we are heading the right direction. However, with all the thinks I am seeing, this will be much longer than I would like it to be. I do not come from rich family nor am I religious person. But I am doing what I can to create a better society. I do not expect 100% moral society but close to that will be nice.
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post Sep 9 2010, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(xyber9 @ Sep 9 2010, 11:38 AM)
What about elderly people cutting queue?
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haha..yeah...I have seen some cases where elderly people cut queue. They are old...so most people will let them be. Most would think these old people doesn't know the queue cause they are old. Well...respect the old like some said... smile.gif
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post Sep 28 2010, 06:04 PM

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yes, i agree it happen to everywhere in the world but a lot less in advanced countries like europe or US or SG or AU.
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post Oct 1 2010, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(L.A.C @ Oct 1 2010, 11:30 AM)
You are brave man, I normally don't have the guts to do so. (if I faced someone cutting my queue)

For me, I think that Malaysia is a country with one culture containing these two major points:

1) If you have money, you won;

2) If you or your family have great powers or even it's only you knew someone with great powers, you won.

So instead of considering about people's levels of education which effect whether they cut queue or not, I think most people I encountered cutting queue are those whom I myself would not dare to challenge.

No matter how highly educated they are, they could just do whatever they like if they have money or powers or both.

And this applies to many fields, not limited to cutting queue.
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What you are saying is high level of cutting cue. It is different from the kind of queue cutting in my mind. There are those who are not bothered to queue because of their low mentality. Most of the times these are people who are not civic minded. In another word, ignorant-selfish-uneducated-a-hole. Yeah...that's one word.... smile.gif
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post Oct 7 2010, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(LovesReborn @ Oct 7 2010, 10:25 AM)
good sharing, and seriously, at peak hours in LRT/KTM station where the people are many, it tends to have people cutting queue. I've seen people like that at KLCC, Kg.Baru,Ampang Park, Masjid Jamek, Wangsa Maju LRT stations around 8.30am and around 6pm.

since no one shared about religious point of view, and i do not want people to think that religions TOTALLY didn't touched about that issue, im going to share something. im going to share it from Christian Holy Bible by the way.
One of the famous 10 Commandments. First of all, what does covet means.

cov·et/ˈkəvit/
Verb: Yearn to possess or have (something)
:according to google

in this case, the "something" means the position in the queue that the people have.

Secondly, who is "your neighbour"? neighbour does not only mean the families who are living beside your house, it also means the people around you, in this context, the people in the queue.

So, to put the commandment in this situation, it would be: " You shall not yearn to possess the position of the people in queue".
I think this is pretty self-explanatory.

If you think it answers the question on "How religion views queue cutting" great, i'm happy to be able of help;if you don't then....just leave it.

Please to not quote this and flame, it doesn't matter what religion you are in, as long as something is good and is applicable, we should all learn from it. If you have any problems with those, feel free to PM me if you think that it might spark unwanted flaming. I'll remove this if deemed necessary by me or mods.
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Ah...good example. Let me ask you then...since this is a sin, is there such things as big sin or small sin? Like killing people compared to cutting queue? Will religious people be thinking..this is only small sin..don't care.



 

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