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post Sep 7 2010, 07:52 PM

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QUOTE(Maximize @ Sep 4 2010, 11:10 PM)
I normal do a 28 minutes cycling before i start my workout, is it good to do cardio and workout in the same day? Any pro pls advice.. thanks!
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There is no problem doing cardio and workout on the same day. Most people freaked out thinking that cardio would cause them to lose muscles.
You can cut and build muscles at the same time. Most people couldn't do it because they had no patience. Muscles grow very slowly. As they lost body fats, they thought they were losing lots of weight and afraid that muscles wouldn't grow. So they quickly resort back to their bulking diet and as their body fats grew back, they felt happy because they thought they were gaining muscles.

This happened to most of us including me. This is what I call cheating to look big meaning you need those fats to look big. biggrin.gif
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post Sep 7 2010, 09:01 PM

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QUOTE(law1777 @ Sep 7 2010, 07:02 PM)
thats because you changed your DIET.. no fried no oily sure bf will drop alot. but how long does that take? how many years? with the help of cardio u can drop bf% in a shorter period flex.gif

and also dont talk like u r so proud to drop bf% without cardio. a person who is doing cardio is alot healthier than those who dont nod.gif
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Screw Cardio! Four Complexes for a Shredded Physique
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_articl...redded_physique

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post Sep 7 2010, 09:20 PM

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QUOTE(zaxxshoxx @ Sep 7 2010, 05:07 PM)
bcaa helps during cutting phase? what u got in mind? bcaa mainly for muscle recovery but never heard it helps during cutting
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dude what u got in mind, have u done your research? no? , aiding in muscle recovery is not the sole function of BCAA. BCAA helps in preventing muscle loss and muscle fatigue. correct me if i'm wrong smile.gif
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post Sep 8 2010, 03:24 AM

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QUOTE(smallone @ Sep 7 2010, 09:20 PM)
dude what u got in mind, have u done your research? no? , aiding in muscle recovery is not the sole function of BCAA. BCAA helps in preventing muscle loss and muscle fatigue. correct me if i'm wrong  smile.gif
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you just gave me the answer dude, im not questioning your statement tho. wink.gif
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post Sep 8 2010, 07:09 AM

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QUOTE(smallone @ Sep 7 2010, 09:20 PM)
dude what u got in mind, have u done your research? no? , aiding in muscle recovery is not the sole function of BCAA. BCAA helps in preventing muscle loss and muscle fatigue. correct me if i'm wrong  smile.gif
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No, Ur not wrong, just that I dun think BCAA will be the first thing in ppl's mind if they wanna cut...


Added on September 8, 2010, 7:11 am
QUOTE(law1777 @ Sep 7 2010, 07:02 PM)
thats because you changed your DIET.. no fried no oily sure bf will drop alot. but how long does that take? how many years? with the help of cardio u can drop bf% in a shorter period flex.gif

and also dont talk like u r so proud to drop bf% without cardio. a person who is doing cardio is alot healthier than those who dont nod.gif
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I take it that Ur very, very proud that Ur doing a lot of cardio & managed to lose some bf... what works for U might not work for somebody else.. flex.gif

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post Sep 8 2010, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(tenno @ Sep 8 2010, 07:09 AM)
No, Ur not wrong, just that I dun think BCAA will be the first thing in ppl's mind if they wanna cut...


Added on September 8, 2010, 7:11 am
I take it that Ur very, very proud that Ur doing a lot of cardio & managed to lose some bf...  what works for U might not work for somebody else..  flex.gif
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a faster rate, no doubt, but there won't be cuts without cardio? That's wrong man
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post Sep 8 2010, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(tenno @ Sep 7 2010, 12:32 PM)
A lot of fitness articles I read suggested that cardio & weights be as removed from each other as possible. Meaning.. dun do it on the same day. But then again, as many here pointed out, it depends on how U define cardio. For me, anything more than 30 mins shud be considered cardio edi, anything below that is just warm up. I guess that depends on Ur fitness level. Also, I dun think doing 30 mins of warm up is a good idea...

& on another note, it is possible to burn fat with just weights alone, if U do it right.
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hoo boy circuit training!! knocks you out just like a good one on d treadmill


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QUOTE(david890701 @ Sep 7 2010, 02:25 PM)
i dropped from 21% of BF to 13% without cardio. Ask Darklight, he hates cardio too
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its all in d diet, isnt it sad.gif
i know some ppl who get by doing only minimal cardio and look fantastic.... but the catch is the diet has gotta be spot-on.

anyone can do it... seriously... and continue dropping bf% with constant modifications to diet...
personally i like to EAT. so cardio it is. lol.


Added on September 8, 2010, 10:50 am
QUOTE(lilredridinghood @ Sep 8 2010, 10:32 AM)
a faster rate, no doubt, but there won't be cuts without cardio? That's wrong man
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and hnestly i think there will b cuts once ur bodyfat% drops low enough.... regardless of how u achieve it... whether u do cardio or circuit weight training or diet... whatever means.
lots of ppl - long distance runners, football, basketball players etc do a heck load of cardio.... but are not necessarily ripped.

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post Sep 8 2010, 11:24 AM

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Articles are just guides. Know your body first then make a decision. I'm one of those guys who carry quite a significant amount of muscle. And fat. Ouch. So I have to do both cardio (very minimal though and I do love my jogs around the park) and weights but not on the same day. It's all about choice and your goals. See what works for you and stick to it till you've hit plateau then revise.

Like Lady Vanity, I like to eat too but cardio's the one that strips the fat. Darn, I feel like going for a run now.
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QUOTE(LadyVanity @ Sep 8 2010, 10:44 AM)
and hnestly i think there will b cuts once ur bodyfat% drops low enough.... regardless of how u achieve it... whether u do cardio or circuit weight training or diet... whatever means.
lots of ppl - long distance runners, football, basketball players etc do a heck load of cardio.... but are not necessarily ripped.
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it depends on how one look at it, some just wanna look small/thin just to fulfil the BMI or to fit in. I know plenty with about 20% bf are satisfied because they can fit into most tight fitting clothes without revealing their 1 pack.

I'm doing both, cardio plus weights. Raya holidays coming, diet and gym gone cause going penang, high carbs heaven. Darn! Gonna increase my cardio workout from 40/60 minutes a day to 90/120 minutes soon.
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QUOTE(tenno @ Sep 8 2010, 07:09 AM)
No, Ur not wrong, just that I dun think BCAA will be the first thing in ppl's mind if they wanna cut...


Added on September 8, 2010, 7:11 am
I take it that Ur very, very proud that Ur doing a lot of cardio & managed to lose some bf...  what works for U might not work for somebody else..  flex.gif
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i believe cardio works for everyone. only that u have less patience and motivation. and yes im very proud that im doing alot more cardio than those who doesnt give a damn to it..

cheers
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QUOTE(LadyVanity @ Sep 8 2010, 10:44 AM)
and hnestly i think there will b cuts once ur bodyfat% drops low enough.... regardless of how u achieve it... whether u do cardio or circuit weight training or diet... whatever means.
lots of ppl - long distance runners, football, basketball players etc do a heck load of cardio.... but are not necessarily ripped.
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case in point

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QUOTE(law1777 @ Sep 8 2010, 12:57 PM)
i believe cardio works for everyone. only that u have less patience and motivation. and yes im very proud that im doing alot more cardio than those who doesnt give a damn to it..

cheers
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i'm really happy for you smile.gif I always admire those who can do cardio for hours. I cant, thats why i resort to barbell complexes

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post Sep 8 2010, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(david890701 @ Sep 8 2010, 01:02 PM)
case in point

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i'm really happy for you smile.gif I always admire those who can do cardio for hours. I cant, thats why i resort to barbell complexes
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i think rooney doesnt give a shyt to his daily diet so thats the result.. also doing cardio for hours is so wrong!! haha

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post Sep 15 2010, 02:23 PM

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I think cardio and workout in the same day is fine..as long there is no time constraint. And if you are running in a low+medium intensity, it should be ok to do on the same day.

But scheduling them on a separate day to maximize performance still the best in my opinion.
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post Sep 24 2010, 11:46 PM

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hai all....i'm new here...huhu...

currently doing cardio for 25+ minutes and then weight lifting (work out) for about hours...felt like it's not enough for me...but yeah...i'm loosing a lot of energy because of cardio...

erm...wanna ask otai2 here..

if i do it everyday (cardio + workout), is it acceptable?i means is it ok?

i do got a lot of fitness...so i wont easily exhausted...the thing is, i fail to do a lot of set of work out..can someone gimme the best set of workout?i'm kinda noob....huhu...now felt like only my triceps and biceps grows larger...others?not so good looking..huhu..

and summore, how to build up my chest to be as tough as u know what i mean rite..cos my chest now a bit lembik..huuuuu....
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usually i do cardio and weight lift workout on separate day. i never do cardio more than 45 minutes.
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QUOTE(MeLaMaL @ Sep 24 2010, 11:46 PM)
hai all....i'm new here...huhu...

currently doing cardio for 25+ minutes and then weight lifting (work out) for about hours...felt like it's not enough for me...but yeah...i'm loosing a lot of energy because of cardio...

erm...wanna ask otai2 here..

if i do it everyday (cardio + workout), is it acceptable?i means is it ok?

i do got a lot of fitness...so i wont easily exhausted...the thing is, i fail to do a lot of set of work out..can someone gimme the best set of workout?i'm kinda noob....huhu...now felt like only my triceps and biceps grows larger...others?not so good looking..huhu..

and summore, how to build up my chest to be as tough as u know what i mean rite..cos my chest now a bit lembik..huuuuu....
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i dont think its a problem.... i personally do alot of cardio and its never been a problem. as a matter of fact its necessary cos i put on weight VERY easily.
if cardio knocks you out before ur weight training.... try shifting ur cardio sesh to after the weights. if ur used to doing cardio as a "warm up", perhaps u cld do an easy 10mins before weights, and then do an additional 20mins after workout. see if it helps.

weight lifting for HOURS? not enough??
let me guess.... are you doing "full body" workouts? or are you taking long rests in between sets? 1 hr or 1.5 hours should be more than enough for cardio+weights. some ppl even get it down under 1 hr, which is recommended to prevent ur muscle going into catabolic (muscle wasting) state. u shld b doing not more than 1 muscle group a day... or at the most 1 major + 1 minor muscle group (e.g back+bicep / chest+tricep). honestly u dont need alot of sets to grow. 4 sets, 4 exercises (at the correct poundage and intensity of course) is more than enough for most people.

wanna build up ur chest? there are so many things u can do.... incline/flat/decline benchpress, incl/flat/decline dumbell press, dumbell flyes, pec-dec flyes, pullovers........ you can do a google for pictures and instructions if ur not familiar with these. good luck!
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QUOTE(4Rings @ Sep 7 2010, 07:52 PM)
There is no problem doing cardio and workout on the same day. Most people freaked out thinking that cardio would cause them to lose muscles.
You can cut and build muscles at the same time. Most people couldn't do it because they had no patience. Muscles grow very slowly. As they lost body fats, they thought they were losing lots of weight and afraid that muscles wouldn't grow. So they quickly resort back to their bulking diet and as their body fats grew back, they felt happy because they thought they were gaining muscles.

This happened to most of us including me. This is what I call cheating to look big meaning you need those fats to look big.  biggrin.gif
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ya bro because i've read Scooby website. He said that Bulk up and Cut down is just a stupid myth. I've been struggling building muscle and cut fat at the same time because i didn't have the patience. In the end, my diet schedule is lousy. hahaha.

Maybe what scooby said is right, we must not diet, but change our lifestyle in eating. I've doing good in building muscle and lose fat now. Just need REALLY LONG patience.
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LadyVanity..thanx for ur help...I will do google much more for reference...thanx...
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QUOTE(hakimz @ Sep 25 2010, 01:16 PM)
ya bro because i've read Scooby website. He said that Bulk up and Cut down is just a stupid myth. I've been struggling building muscle and cut fat at the same time because i didn't have the patience. In the end, my diet schedule is lousy. hahaha.

Maybe what scooby said is right, we must not diet, but change our lifestyle in eating. I've doing good in building muscle and lose fat now. Just need REALLY LONG patience.
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DIET (lose weight) and FOOD DIET (eat the right food) are TWO very very different thing!! u must make sure which one u r moving towards.. if u wanted to lose weight then bodybuilding will be a waste because u wont b able to build much musclemass. while eating the right food + gym = u will grow very fast accompany by good hard gym trainings wink.gif
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QUOTE(law1777 @ Sep 26 2010, 11:27 AM)
DIET (lose weight) and FOOD DIET (eat the right food) are TWO very very different thing!! u must make sure which one u r moving towards.. if u wanted to lose weight then bodybuilding will be a waste because u wont b able to build much musclemass. while eating the right food + gym = u will grow very fast accompany by good hard gym trainings wink.gif
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i want to lose fat. haha tongue.gif

nah, lose fat and bodybuilding is intercept. The more muscle you have the more you burn calories isn't it ?
I am eating the right food. But im not saying that i am on a diet because i've change my lifestyle. my trainer said if i want to get serious in bodybuilding, Bulk up and Cut down is necessary. But for me, i want to try something else, which people think it might be NEARLY impossible. which is building up muscle and cut down fat at the same time. By the time i'm building muscle, of course i will cut fat.
btw bro, here is some words written in the Body by Science i am reading now


But here they are using another technique in building muscle, The Big Five muscle groups and TULs(Time Under Load) and just needing 12 minutes of TUL per week. But i think it's the same.

(WARNING : long read, dont TL;DR) tongue.gif

here :

"We conducted a fat-loss study at Nautilus North in which we put thirty-six people through a ten-week program combined diet and high-intensity training. The program required that they reduce their calorie intake by 100 calories every two weeks. starting at a below-maintenance level. Our subjects were clients aged twenty to sixty five who had been training with us for more than a year. We tested their body composition every two weeks in a Bod Pod machine. The subjects started off with a six-set workout and trained only once a week. After two weeks, we cut their exercises back from six to four and tested them to see how they progressed. For the first 4 weeks of the study, both times when we put them in the Bod Pod, we found that they lose fat--but they also lost muscle. So, we cut the subjects back to three exercises, and we noted that they didn't lose any more muscle but they did lose fat.

To test a hypothesis during weeks eight through ten, we cut the group in half, with eighteen remaining only exercises once a week. When we reviewed the data the end of the study, we were surprised to see that the group that reduce the volume of their workouts to two sets once a week gained twice the muscle and lost twice the fat."

so what they're trying to show here is, building muscle and lose fat at the same time is not impossible with the right calorie intake and execises.

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