Cool friend... Suzanne is just trying to point the fact that a lot of ppl are not doing their research properly. With ur budget, I also have doubt on you earlier... Seriously, for that price u can only get thailand pups...

Actually i dont really care if they come from where , i dont judge from its pure-breedness or whatever because they are still just poodles. I have a mongrel last time , and its really smart , knows how to open the gate herself - -!. so if i buy a expensive poodle or cheap poodle kinda the same they just still poodles but maybe mix a little.

how can you not care where they come from? the least that you need to care is whether they are from puppymills or irresponsible backyard breeders....

dont know what are puppymills? those places are run by money minded people who dont care for the welfare of the dogs, cramp all of them in small cages, making the male mate every female on heat without rest, making the females give birth every cycle without rest, not enough water and food, neglected, literally puppy making machines! if they fall sick? kill them dont waste space.... that is where you get ur cheap puppies from coz the cost is cheap too.... why some forumers here mention thailand puppies? coz there famous for SMUGGLING sick puppymill puppies to be sold at super cheap prices and bought by ignorant buyers.... at least you are here so that people can warn you about these happenings....

dont believe? try google search for puppy mills pictures and see how those dogs are cramp up just to give u cheap puppies....

as for byb, they are people who also only care about profits, breeding the female almost every cycle, feeding them with sub standard food, dont care whether the puppies are well socialised and trained.

getting from a responsible breeder may be more pricey but heck, thats coz their cost is high as they give good food and supplements, they pay attention to those puppies, they feed their females well! in fact i even save hassle in training my girl coz my breeder kick start it for me already, i just needed to enforce it....

yes they are the same poodles no matter where they come from, but u will be contributing to the puppy millers or byb income, allowing them to earn more and get more dogs as birthing machines....

even if you're an expert in a field, there will always be things you dont know and things you can learn.... i also had two medium dogs before i got myself another small dog, but i still ask and learn because this field is wide, it is impossible to know in detail every breed unless you specialise in studying pets la....

Can I be your friend in facebook? Now I know there is another person who have the same thinking like on backyard bredder/puppymills besides Divas. A lot of ppl don't care about this. They are more concern as long as their puppy are healthy and doesn't bother about their parents. They will come out with some sort of excuses like, if I don't buy the puppy, they will be so kesian also... Geram....

haha.... some people dont realise that now be cruel (dont buy the puppy) is better than buy and let the puppy mill flourish more....

and i read many cases where people start complaining when they are sold sick puppies.... i used to sympathize them but now, i find that it is their fault for not checking & researching properly, always wanting cheap dogs....

debbie debbie!! upload pics of dorian la,wanna see how big he has grown now!

@huey80...

What are u feeding ur furkids now?? I think the food partly caused my Percy's fur to fade in colour... I changed to low brand food after finishing Innova. So, i think maybe that's why. Now plan to change back to Innova but would love to see what's your suggestion.

harlowwwwwwww...

i suffer from short term memory so i cant rber exactly when or how percy;s colour started to fade. As far as i know n experienced, it cud range from genes, shampoo, food and age.

my kids have all gone fishyyyyyyyy...hehhehe...on Fish4dogs now. Coz Artemis will soon disappear from the market. So far, f4d has prevented my son from having hotspots and improved his colour and coat. I chose the cod fish flavour. There's salmon too. i buy my kibbles in bulk coz it;s cheaper this way. average abt rm38 per errr...how many kg ah...i forgot...1.5kg?

u guys potty train your babies? any website to learn all these?

when i mean not care where they came from , i mean like come from thai , vietnam or whatever.

Im gonna study as a vet soon , i know what is puppy mills im not stupid.

I just ask a question and is it so hard for people to answer?

The question is getting puppy with or without mka cert which is better and now u people saying about puppy mills. I am an animal lover , i rescued so many dogs i know about the puppy mills and i detest them. But i just wanted to have a poodle for a change so i ask a little question and there people need to be so protective and flame on something i did not even do?

I plan to buy from a responsible breeder because i saw how the way pet shops treats their puppies , just locking them up so lonely.


@savor_savvy

Of cause have to potty train or else when the dog poo and pee everywhere will trouble u alot.

go google , type how to potty train ur dog. Many websites are found

This post has been edited by ix3Rukia: May 26 2011, 02:35 PM

google 'house breaking training for puppy', 'crate training for puppy' and 'potty training for puppy'. They are a lot of results there..

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Added on May 26, 2011, 2:43 pmhmmm.... I think you need to learn a way to rephrase your words. You are going to study vet, and if the way you comment is going to be the way you treat your customer and their furkids, you will not be a good and reputable vet. Rescuing animal, animal lover and being responsible animal owner are 3 different thing. If you do not even bother to do research online, how can we answer all your question? I believe you didn't do any research, as if you actually did, you will not ask about mka or no mka and quote a budget. You know the price is not possible.

None of us said you are stupid. Didn't I asked you earlier to read through this thread? Your question have been discussed in this thread version at least 5 times. You are so rude eh... You must be a young kid. If you really want to know more about mka and toy poodle, I don't mind explaining to you one more time. Please do write down again, what you want to know about getting a toy poodle one more time and stop bragging about yourself la and stop scolding other ppl...

This post has been edited by yeowa: May 26 2011, 02:43 PM

i already said, when they mean thailand pups, is usually sick puppymill pups....

if you run through this thread and other so-called "popular" breeds, you will find that often people come in asking where to find a cheap dog with ridiculously low budget.... that is the 1st impression u are giving us.... we regulars here always have to repeat ourselves so many times.... if you are looking for a responsible breeder, then good for u, i applaud that.... but since you know alot, you should know that a responsible breeder dont sell cheap dogs because their cost is high as well.... and normally responsible breeders will have puppies with mka cert coz if not mistaken, the process to apply cert is start from mating time....

since you get offended so easily and if u are gonna study as a vet, u do wanna check on ur EQ, we here are telling nicely, not flaming.... people here all telling u nicely but u being so offended and defensive.... i didnt want to say this in my earlier post as i find it irrelevant but now, the post suzzanetan wrote to you, i dont see any sign of scolding also....

This post has been edited by CyaNide27: May 26 2011, 02:51 PM

hmmm... I think we have to forgive her la... she is going to be 17years old september this year. Mui Mui... let us all big brother and sister here guide you to get a toy poodle. But you must learn to respect us, elderly first...

u spied on HER? lol...

eh..actually got ppl selling at rm500 for poodles in lyn wo..from the pics, i see quite cute oso. Healthy or not is another case.

share the link please... I don't have to spy... She will be surprise that I know her... hahaha...

lol.... for a moment i thought u FBI or what, so fast get info....

I am working for the Interpol and ex-CIA. Now assigned to check on lowyat.net members comments... lol...

Chris, u mentioned artemis soon disappear from market. Is it true? and whats the reason? Currently I feed my gals artemis mix with f4d and so far I can only get 1 type of f4d at PLC. They only have puppy n adult and I guess I'm feeding the Salmon. I'd like to try the cod fish oil thou...

Cheers, people...
This is a forum which only allows us to express in words, so many times we might misunderstand if the other person is scolding us. That's why there is a list of clickable smilies for us to choose, soothen the tone of words...

@CyaNide27 & yeowa, at first i also thought suzanne was 'scolding' cos the way she put the words are too serious maybe? No offence, Suzanne.

@ix3Rukia, I understood how the forumers here feel when they see new comers post the same questions again and again, it's annoying, indeed. Unless it's never be mentioned in the threads before, we should put ourselves on other people's shoes always. We should have read and research the threads with simple keywords for certain basic knowledge, even then we still don't understand, we can always post the URL links here for open discussion.

He is fatty now!!

Bring him out for walk he only sit there. Now I know why at first me and yeowa met Dorian at breeder's house, he kept on sleeping only, even his siblings climbed on his body he also continued to sleep. He is plain lazy lah!

Lol I was surprised when I see the next post after Suzanne cus I also felt she just stated the fact but not scolding
maybe we all have different type of 'analyzing' some one's comment? lol

bout laziness, I think most of dogs are prone to sleep if they have nothing to do at home. Autumn for example, she's SUPER ACTIVE when I bring her out as in never tired even if she was running running n running but when at home all she did is just sleeping the whole day