regarding the 990FX

Arent most if not all bulldozer comes with ATI graphics? Why would AMD want to repeat Intel p67 mistake again? Shouldnt they just come out a chipset with vga support by default?

http://www.inpai.com.cn/doc/hard/151251.htm
Bulldozer Turbo Boost allows 1GHz clock speed boost at maximum.

Llano is slightly faster to Athlon II, clock-to-clock comparison.
But still far slower than Phenom II with L3 cache.
Disappointing. 
To AMD : The game is not changed. 

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4444/amd-lla...on-apu-a8-3500m
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/a8-350...o-apu,2959.html

For mobile, The performance of Llano falls in between Arrandale i3-i5 + Radeon 5650.

It is interesting if it is priced below MYR2000.
It is excellent if it is priced below MYR1500.
It is a huge disappointment (or rather digging her own graveyard) if it's priced more than MYR2000 (considering there are better performance notebooks in that price range).
Now, it all depends on how AMD price the product.

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Added on June 14, 2011, 4:20 pm
Look at the price segment, AMD's Llano should be quite comfortable if it's priced < MYR2000.

Most of the revenue comes from MYR2000 segment?
AMD doesn't look "comfortable" to me.

I reckon the A4 series notebook will be priced at around RM1.5k already.
A8 with dual graphic 1 will be priced at RM2.5k.

The mobile APU is very good. But the desktop 1 is rather weak.

Yes, AMD don't sell finished goods but it still falls in the price game.

How AMD sells in the same volume if there is no demand?

If the manufacturer sells Llano at MYR4000 (aka committing suicide), how many people will buy? How many chips AMD can sell?
My point is, AMD has to make sure it is priced in the right price too. Otherwise it just won't sell.
Value for money or not, it depends on the price.

Well a media player is already costing RM200-400. if HTPC is cheap enough to price near a media player. I'll definately opt for HTPC.

A decent Fusion base chip can be a perfect multi purpose HTPC.

Well HTPC can be very small for ITX base mobo. movies is just part of the function, I actually would love to surf internet and word processing on my LCD.

It delivers great overall performance and stellar battery life as required by notebooks. Now I am wondering how their BD 8xxx would actually perform. I'm still undecided if I should pick up the C5F now or wait till the cpu gets launched. Are they supposed to be launched sometime in July? or was it supposed to be September?

Trinity Performance Leak
DonanimHaber is here again, they released a video that shows the Trinity APU performance.
Trinity APU uses Piledriver core and VLIW4 HD7000 GPU.
Here's the result.




We can see from above, Trinity SKUs has performance boost, increase 32% in 3DMark Vantage, 13.8% in PCMark Vantage compared to Llano SKUs.
The performance for crossfire-ing with HD6670 has nice performance boost too.

P/S : Calculated, Estimated. 

AMD cancels 28nm APUs, starts from scratch at TSMC

Not good news for Bobcat which is still quite successful compared to other AMD products. They're cancelling 28nm GloFlo in favor of 28nm TSMC which is what they should have done in the beginning since the 40nm Bobcat was originally manufactured by TSMC. A lot of the problems with BD that is associated with poor performance, low yield and high power consumption can be traced back to how well GloFlo does with their design and if BD had been made under TSMC instead for example, the results could be totally different. If AMD continues with GloFlo for a 28nm Krishna/Wichita, Bobcat could it can possibly have the same fate as BD. Luckily all 28nm GPUs from AMD will still be manufactured under TSMC's 28nm process. AMD's luck improving performance lies with GloFlo improving their process node.

I don't like where AMD is heading, they had gone back to megahertz race. The common conception that 'AMD is hot' back during the Thunderbird era is going to be back because of this.

Although it doesn't matter much in desktop where you could put big cooler on them and reach very high speeds, but they won't appeal much for mobile gamer.

Just look at current AMD Sabine platform, with only 2.1GHz tops (with on our market it is usually have low based 1.4GHz clock quad core) it won't be able to perform in games because as we could see from similarly architectured desktop Deneb based Phenom II needs 3GHz and above to reach 25fps minimum, like for example Skyrim even with GTX 570 as per review here.

The only saving grace for AMD is because it based on k10 stars architecture people can use k10stats to overclock, some with modded cooling could reach 3GHz speeds as you could read here. Also Crossfire between integrated and dedicated GPU don't work in some games as well, lowering performance instead of increasing them.

I don't see how Trinity could be better than current Llano on laptop, the GPU could be faster, that's why its only 3D benchmark is been floating around, but what about the CPU? What are the clocks might be? With base clock of 3+GHz on desktop they better do something on mobile to make it appeal for gamers because high speed don't equal to low temperature or low power consumption.

AMD could do a lot of things with their Bobcat, really. Just put one in Ultrabook chassis and voila! Affordable Ultrabook.

Have you seen tho, how BD perform under linux environment. Its pretty impressive some of the benchmarks. It gives a view of what happens when better optimisation is done. A window to what windows 8 would be....hopefully!

IPC don't equal to fast clock, what it should do is to execute instruction in fewer cycle as possible and done more work per clock cycle thus reducing the needs of high clockspeed and lowering power consumption. The reason why Netburst fails because they were aimed squarely at high clock instead of high IPC. It was predicted to reach 10GHz but where does it stop? Not even half of that. Check Netburst Rapid Execution Engine, it runs twice the clock as the CPU runs, which means Arithmetic Logic Units runs at 6GHz if the CPU clock is 3GHz but does it prove faster than lower clocked K8? AMD really needs to do another K8 to really gives Intel a run for its money. The situation is reversed now. Like I said high clock have huge drawback, mainly power consumption and heat. Other comes in the form of bad yield due to difficulty of manufacturing complex core.

By the time Pliedriver is out, Intel already have Ivy Bridge ready. Remember Intel have process node advantage over AMD.

Unfortunately hope alone won't helps AMD by much. But time will tell whether an improved thread scheduling in Windows 8 will improve its performance as most people hoped or not.

it's not that much faster & certainly still not enough to be faster than 2500

Not quite on par overall, as the Core i7 990X was never a competitor to FX8150 (even the pricing is a telling sign). For example, you can check the results here: OpenBenchmarking.org - AMD FX-8150 Vs. Intel On Linux Benchmarks (quite a few others at OpenBenchmarking.org as well). 

Bulldozer cores are really more like hardware threads since CMT is another type of multi-threading technology (like SMT or HyperThreading). It also has a few niggling issues (such as drop in performance) as found in HyperThreading with certain software or scenarios. Can be seen that in this new review: AnandTech - Bulldozer for Servers: Testing AMD's "Interlagos" Opteron 6200 Series (look at Rendering Performance: 3DSMax 2012 and Blender results on this page: Rendering Performance: Maxwell Render and Blender). And yups, Interlagos reviewed at last.

No more AMD vs Intel mentality it seems...
http://news.softpedia.com/news/AMD-Not-Com...le-237103.shtml

Who is stopping AMD from competing?
AMD just need to deliver the product and keep her mouth shut.

How Intel monopolize?
If you need someone to blame, AMD to blame.
AMD let Intel monopolize the x86 market by introducing bad products and full-of-hypes.

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Bulldozer was kinda of a letdown, especially after all those hype and the "record breaking" overclocking that they did. While Intel is not innocent of weird marketing (LGA 2011? Really?) at least they did not quite boast around.

But IMO the real problem is that AMD bit more than they could chew. They now look like they need to fight off competition from various fronts. But then again mobile computing looks like the way of the future, so who knows, their decision now might be the right thing for them in the future

Enthusiast now what they want.  Thunderbird/thoroughbred was popular in retails. I bought them too. But not so in OEM vendor. 

If the product is good we buy it.  Straight and simple.