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AMD Bulldozer & Bobcat
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dma0991
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May 22 2011, 03:15 PM
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 AMD Bulldozer and Llano estimated pricing. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Another A75 AMD Llano board out by ASRock. New heatsink bracket for all AMD AM3+/FM1 motherboards and 8 SATA 6GB/s ports natively supported by the AMD chipset.
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yshiuan
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May 22 2011, 03:25 PM
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zambezi 8cores is exp
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dma0991
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May 22 2011, 03:33 PM
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QUOTE(yshiuan @ May 22 2011, 03:25 PM) zambezi 8cores is exp  It is not expensive if you consider the current price of a Core i7 2600K is $315. You cant just do a conversion from USD to MYR and expect that 8 core BD to cost that much. If you look here you can also see that Intel recommends a price of $317 for the Core i7 2600K.
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usop8290
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May 22 2011, 05:15 PM
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yeah..very reasonable price if the 8 core zambezi will perform better than 2600k..
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bahrin
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May 22 2011, 07:03 PM
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QUOTE(cybersans @ May 22 2011, 12:42 PM) i think it is depending to yourself. what do you want. what do you need. is your budget enough? are you on rush? if you want to wait for a thing which is still not launch yet, then wait. if you want to get a thing which already sell, then grab it. you don't need to ask people's opinion for this. it is your money, you decide  it is like you want to choose a car, or girlfriend. too many beautiful, nice looking, performance whatsoever. too many comparison cause headache, and after you choose you will feel some disappointed because it is still not satisfying you.  thank bro..my budget is enough and i still can wait..btw girlfriend is out of league..
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kingkingyyk
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May 22 2011, 09:12 PM
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Leaked price (Arranged, converted from US Dollar to RM, source : computerbase.de) :   I wonder P stands for what. This post has been edited by kingkingyyk: May 22 2011, 09:22 PM
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yshiuan
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May 22 2011, 09:34 PM
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QUOTE(kingkingyyk @ May 22 2011, 09:12 PM) Leaked price (Arranged, converted from US Dollar to RM, source : computerbase.de) : » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « I wonder P stands for what. performance mayb?  still quite exp, can fight with intel d if can pwn ivy bridge also den it is worth for its price
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mitodna
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May 22 2011, 10:45 PM
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P = Intel K series? I hope A8-3550P better 15% on i5-2500K
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LYR
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May 22 2011, 11:40 PM
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the pricing seems to be nice. now, performance will decide if AMD will be the king or still a horse.
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denn0c0il
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May 23 2011, 04:04 AM
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QUOTE(kingkingyyk @ May 22 2011, 09:12 PM) Leaked price (Arranged, converted from US Dollar to RM, source : computerbase.de) :   I wonder P stands for what. sure will get one if performance per core better than sandy....
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Searingmage
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May 23 2011, 11:10 AM
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QUOTE(yshiuan @ May 23 2011, 10:59 AM) if can pwn ivy bridge also den it is worth for its price  Don't be so ambitious first.. Lol.. First, wait it to pwn sandy bridge, only then we talk bout ivy bridge. Since ivy bridge is not launched yet.. But hopefully, with the bulldozer, AMD can once again compete in Proc market.
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yshiuan
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May 23 2011, 11:44 AM
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QUOTE(Searingmage @ May 23 2011, 11:10 AM) Don't be so ambitious first.. Lol.. First, wait it to pwn sandy bridge, only then we talk bout ivy bridge. Since ivy bridge is not launched yet.. But hopefully, with the bulldozer, AMD can once again compete in Proc market. LOL, i just wanna see price war
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En.Vader
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May 23 2011, 11:59 AM
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judging from the leaked price range, I think bulldozer is no better than sandy bridge.
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adie82
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May 23 2011, 12:33 PM
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me also think the same.... if it superior thean SB, amd will market it for higher pricetag!.
i think Glofo also part of AMD!
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dma0991
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May 23 2011, 12:57 PM
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QUOTE(En.Vader @ May 23 2011, 11:59 AM) judging from the leaked price range, I think bulldozer is no better than sandy bridge. QUOTE(adie82 @ May 23 2011, 12:33 PM) me also think the same.... if it superior thean SB, amd will market it for higher pricetag!. Even if it is superior in terms of performance comparable to SB Extreme not a lot of people is going to pay 3k just for an AMD CPU. That kind of super high end market is just for Intel as only some rich enthusiasts which is <1% of the consumers are willing to pay more than 1k for the best CPU. If they get some performance out of the BD architecture and sell it at a similar price to the regular SB then it is just fine. Simply put if a company can sell something that is cheap and in large quantities will be more profitable than a company that sells something that is expensive but in small quantities. That is why Toyota is a much bigger company than Ferarri.
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everling
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May 23 2011, 01:01 PM
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AMD is seriously crippled by a less advanced manufacturing technology. But if Bulldozer is within striking distance of Sandy Bridge, it's a win for me. Because if AMD had the same manufacturing technology as Intel, AMD would have the performance and efficiency crown.
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dma0991
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May 23 2011, 01:13 PM
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I wouldn't say that AMD is crippled because they currently do not have any fab to manufacturer CPU. They are currently relying on Global Foundries to do their CPU unlike Intel which is rich enough to have their own fab. Not many know how good GloFlo is at manufacturing yet so if they are good at it then maybe it might perform better. As for efficiency also depends if the company has a lot of money to do R&D faster than their competitor in this case Intel would lead. As for the manufacturing size there is a limit and some have said that we're approaching that limit really soon and it gets harder to manufacture as it gets smaller due to current leakage. QUOTE(adie82 @ May 23 2011, 01:53 PM) i think Glofo also part of AMD! No they are not. AMD got shares in GloFlo but not even close to 50% majority share so GloFlo is not owned by AMD. The difference is that Intel controls its fab so it can tell it to do whatever they want while GloFlo is independent like TSMC and they can do whatever they want and not be a customer to AMD only.
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En.Vader
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May 23 2011, 02:19 PM
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i no expert, but i think amd clearly lost its way to innovate when they sold global foundries.
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dma0991
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May 23 2011, 02:23 PM
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QUOTE(En.Vader @ May 23 2011, 02:19 PM) i no expert, but i think amd clearly lost its way to innovate when they sold global foundries. I don't see how a semiconductor company can lose its way to innovate when AMD designs the architecture and GF makes the wafers. There is no advantage or disadvantage to having a separation of a fab from the company as AMD and Nvidia makes their graphic cards at TSMC and they're doing pretty well.
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En.Vader
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May 23 2011, 03:08 PM
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you are correct, when your main competitor is pushing for 22nm, high-k and 3d-transistor, its still fine to stick with whatever as long your chip sells as well.
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