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 Nokia N8 V3, Coming Soon!!!

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post Sep 8 2010, 12:39 PM

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actually i kept quiet..i am still rather confused...so there's no such thing as NAND RAM right? since from what i read NAND is stores sequentially, not random access
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post Sep 8 2010, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(Deswin @ Sep 8 2010, 03:15 PM)
if symbian^1 apps would work on n8, then n8 can support Garmin XT also.. m i rite?
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yeah...i guess it would work...

i think someone mentioned in V2 that S3 will be backward compatible with most s60V5 apps
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post Sep 8 2010, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(sklchan @ Sep 8 2010, 03:37 PM)
Thanks for the concern  biggrin.gif

but i think i'm clear now, we always get confuce easily if never dig deeper into the question and look for the fact  nod.gif


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i "suppose" could work, but actual fact will need to wait till the N8 released and we install the GarminXT and run.. don't think it will possible in the Ranger program though (if it's really gonna happen)  hmm.gif
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just got an email from Radiance..she says that the programme is delayed cos the shipment for the retail device is not yet confirmed....and the date is not yet set because they want to make it ASAP..since N8 will be official on early October in bolehland, i suppose it might be on these 2 weeks?

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post Sep 8 2010, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(andrekua @ Sep 8 2010, 04:07 PM)
The godlike phone has godlike feature...
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you really have nothing else to talk about eh? shakehead.gif
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post Sep 8 2010, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(sklchan @ Sep 8 2010, 04:20 PM)
yup, so the Rangers program will proceed with delayed date  rclxms.gif
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yeah rclxm9.gif
just wanna clarify that since a lot of people here thinks that it's dead or whatever
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post Sep 8 2010, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(andrekua @ Sep 8 2010, 04:27 PM)
You wiki N900 and see...

The system has 256 MB of dedicated high performance RAM (Mobile DDR) paired with access to 768 MB swap space managed by the OS.[2] This provides a total of 1 GB of virtual memory.

At no time does the 768MB become RAM.

Explanation is simple. To process data, the processor fetch data from the RAM. Just view RAM as large space, being partition equally and being assigned an address to refer to. When the RAM is full, what the OS do is 'page' the idle slot in the ram to the Virtual Memory (In this case, the NAND).

To simplify it, you can see it as the OS 'saved' the current state of the specific program that it wanted to moved out of the RAM to make space for new app launching. In that sense, the app was no longer running as it claimed to be. So how can this be multi tasking as the 'PRO' claimed to be. N900 does not offer true multi tasking.

Anyone tried Windows Hibernate feature? After you hibernate, the computer already shutdown and by right it should lose all memory of the state on the programs that were running right before it hibernate. So how did the magic work?

Before the OS goes into hibernate mode, it will copy the whole content of the RAM inclusive of whats being in Virtual Memory (If there were any) onto the harddisk. So when you wake the computer from Hibernate mode, it will load the 'saved' data from the RAM and Virtual Memory back to to their respective place and therefore you will have the same 'state' like before you went into hibernate.
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Applications that are put from RAM into Virtual Memory is still a process, just that it's in idle state, not terminated. The moment the app is being switched to, the information on Virtual Memory for that app will be copied into the RAM again, and it will run as how it is before you leave it. That is how multitasking is even at your desktop lar, just that obviously desktop have way higher amount of ram compared to phone, that you don see this often. If you say because virtual memory uses NAND and we are using RAM hence u got the term NAND RAM, then every windows desktop is running HDD RAM already lo doh.gif

and seriously, pls stop your 'godlike' arguements already

and btw, Virtual Memory is NOT RAM, it's merely a temporary memory for application to store their process session in case RAM is full

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post Sep 8 2010, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(andrekua @ Sep 8 2010, 04:48 PM)
If app that is moved out of the RAM is idle, then iPhone OS also considered true multi tasking. It also saves the state of the app it moved out of the RAM without user's consent.
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wrong, iPhone is not true multitasking because instead of the OS handling this part of the process, it needs the application to specificly code for it. A true multitasking would mean the OS would handle this part by default and the developer do not need to worry about it.

and like i said, the process info will only be moved out IF the RAM is full, otherwise it stays in the RAM

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post Sep 8 2010, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Sep 8 2010, 04:52 PM)
for him/her/it u are wrong. he\she/it is never wrong haha.
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lol, I'm a 'him'..and why is there a 'it' somemore laugh.gif


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QUOTE(sklchan @ Sep 8 2010, 04:54 PM)
for me simple only, all bg apps keep running at the back and those in focus apps run smoothly then it's already consider multitasking for me already  thumbup.gif
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that's true for most people, but in computing world we are strict in what the specific term mean and what does it describe. and there is no such thing as NAND RAM

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post Sep 8 2010, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(BuFung @ Sep 8 2010, 04:57 PM)
Andre...  as u see..  when ppl don't have fact to discuss and argue with you.. this is kind of thing come out from them.... 

so.. better keep quiet and let it be NAND RAM...  sweat.gif

Added on September 8, 2010, 5:00 pm
there is according to this post...  http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=36168232

but sorry.. he/she said he/she never say so...

it is very Irrespectful to call ppl "it"....  not funny at all...
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eh..that's your last post from N97 thread...and it doesnt suggest anything like that, or not from what i see...u sure that's the correct link? previously you posted a same link also i think...

about the part that he/she calling me 'it', it's a small joke that i can take..i just don wanna see people misleading people with self created terms
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post Sep 8 2010, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(andrekua @ Sep 8 2010, 05:04 PM)
My apology on the issue as I'm not really into iPhone OS multi tasking. I got it wrongly. But my point remains the same. How could you call it multi task when the idling program is moved out of the RAM? Even though the OS handle the paging, its still not a fully multi task unless the ram is not full of course.
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well, not all applications need to be updated constantly, in fact, some of it u can just leave it there and come back with the same session without doing anything. Even if apps runs at the same time, deep down, the processor can only handle one thread at a time. the way multiple programs are running in the same time is to have 1 thread per program and multiple thread sharing the CPU process time together, and since CPU can only handle 1 thread, apart from the thread it is processing, the rest of the threads are forced idle for a short period of time. That is how multiple task share a single processor.
So from how it works, you see that even running task are 'idle' for a very short time, maybe a few hundred clock cycles that we couldnt possible notice. Letting the program idle is not the same as quitting the program, as for idle mode, the program will still have all the sessions, whereby when you quit, it would be eliminated(whether saved or not).
Also, not all programs need to be be running at all time, for instance, facebook, twitter or email apps, we leave them running in the background right? So maybe every few minutes they will fetch updates/new mails from their respective server. Only when they need to update, their process is being called and run, other time, they are put into an idle state.
Extend from the previous scenario, let's say you are browsing a webpage and is using full ram now, the OS would just need to put the app's session into the virtual memory, and when the app is being invoke for updates, it just need to swap maybe part of the browsers info that is being stored at the ram, and run the process, after that, swap back. It's still multitasking because the apps are running at the same time, and it's automatically handled by the OS itself

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post Sep 8 2010, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(sklchan @ Sep 8 2010, 05:09 PM)
scrool up ^ a few post and u will see that "magic" term  tongue.gif
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oh...now i see... rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(Deswin @ Sep 8 2010, 05:17 PM)
lets stop this about NAND ram thingy.. continue N8..
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agree...
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post Sep 8 2010, 05:25 PM

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QUOTE(sklchan @ Sep 8 2010, 05:23 PM)
service manual L3&4 tongue.gif

the official user guide stated the FM transmitter working range about 6 feets only nia... sigh thinking of listen to my mp3 transmiting across the whole hourse  doh.gif
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with that range, they might as well put there:
"Please tie your N8 to the radio antenna for best performance"

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post Sep 8 2010, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(BuFung @ Sep 8 2010, 05:25 PM)
u bringing a Radio to entire house keh? or put different radio in entire house keh macam mana?

FM cannot carry audio > 15kHz..  Audio quality compromize a lot..


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what if I turn into a freq suddenly heard my neighbour ahem voice recording huh?  sweat.gif
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lol i don mind tuning to that brows.gif
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post Sep 8 2010, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(BuFung @ Sep 8 2010, 05:28 PM)
u get it wrong...  he need a more powerful transmitter .. not an Antenna..  laugh.gif
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no mah...cos u know, if they say 6 feet range, maybe signal starts degrading/go weak in maybe 3 feet, so if your radio is 5 feet away, u might not hear nice quality..so might as well tie the phone to the radio antenna itself to ensure always best quality...or you could just use the audio in feature in radio if it has it..lol

QUOTE(andrekua @ Sep 8 2010, 05:28 PM)
But with MONO quality, a woman voice might turn into a manly voice...
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Sep 8 2010, 05:29 PM)
better to have UHF transmit over to u with Video too...  laugh.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif
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if they have.... brows.gif


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QUOTE(Deswin @ Sep 8 2010, 05:32 PM)
so n8 can transmit fm signal to radio in our car even in proton also? just need to be sure the frequency is the same?
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yeap thumbup.gif

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post Sep 8 2010, 05:34 PM

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QUOTE(BuFung @ Sep 8 2010, 05:33 PM)
it available since long ago...   n78 have it.. n79 should be...  N97.. etc.. and the NAND RAM phone also have it...
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BuFung..pls don bring that word up anymore.. sad.gif


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QUOTE(sklchan @ Sep 8 2010, 05:34 PM)
yes and that's the only use of the FM transmitter N8 to me as my home don't even have a radio tongue.gif
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actually at home most people would just use audio-out?

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post Sep 8 2010, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(sklchan @ Sep 8 2010, 05:38 PM)
yah, that's something that bother me too, why the heck they can't get the FM antenna build in ah? too big??
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lol don tell me u wanna suddenly pull out a long long retractable antenna in KTM and point the antenna towards the window to get signal meh... laugh.gif
damn embarrassing one ler...

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post Sep 8 2010, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(Deswin @ Sep 8 2010, 05:44 PM)
hahahaha rclxms.gif  sumore u can recognize the person is having china phone when the phone rings.. the ringing tone damn loud wan.. haha
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let's not forget the sound crackling as well laugh.gif thumbup.gif
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post Sep 8 2010, 05:50 PM

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QUOTE(BuFung @ Sep 8 2010, 05:47 PM)
but ppl watching TV oh.. u cannot..  laugh.gif
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lol..i don wan video with snow flakes..i rather stream video from phone using 3G connection

QUOTE(andrekua @ Sep 8 2010, 05:48 PM)
The interference with China phone is really high... will it kill your sperm? LOL... its a myth... who will bust it
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must as them to research lar..next thing u know..
"we have done research on our new model..it will not kill your sperms now"
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QUOTE(freakenstein @ Sep 8 2010, 05:51 PM)
I mean those mp3s , but radio from online . The quality just isn't right. So i thought it was Mono tongue.gif
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radio ones sometimes have weak signal, or some of the their own equalizer setting makes the song sound rather 'different'

try using those FM modulators, you'll know that actually radio signal can transmit good quality stereo
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post Sep 8 2010, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(andrekua @ Sep 8 2010, 05:52 PM)
Yeah, sure its stereo?

Im pretty sure its mono judging by the quality...
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quality doesnt have much to do with audio quality...mono = single channel, stereo = left/right channel
although in most cases you do need to have a very good signal quality to get stereo, i notice normally in my car i don get really clear signal, but at home using hi-fi radio, normally it's stereo quality one

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