Basically those who applied for the wrong visa category or had errors within the application that the visa company overlooked/accepted, but the High Embassy didn't.

there are no 'visa personnel' at a 'tb clinic'....what exactly do you mean?....

minor details like that is not important.....but applying for the 'wrong' category of visa obvious will be a problem.....

I think he meant the people working at the tb clinic. A lady there told me the same thing too, think they're just trying to be safe. After all it was just refilling up another form.

Yeah... especially during peak season... luckily they didn't say: pls go home, come back tmr. Lol

Going for visa interview tomorrow! Hopefully, everything's fine

There's a person at the ground floor of the tb clinic who you have to fill up your form and show your passport and CAS letter to, along with explaining the visa guidelines. I went to the clinic in Bangsar. So technically, she was in charge of prelim visa+tb info and was supposed to help with filling up of forms, and so she is called a visa personnel. Semantics.

this is not semantics....you are going to do postgraduate studies, you will need to be precise and clear in what you communicate...especially when giving advises to other people.....

there is no 'tb clinic', but a panel clinic approved by the uk high commission for the purpose of medical examinations...there is no 'visa personnel', which implies the high commission or their approved agent have placed one of their officers there.....but a registration clerk....and his/her duty is to make sure the process is complied with....the reason for this detail is to ensure the RIGHT student gets the RIGHT test, and the RIGHT result is given to the visa office.....so there is no mistake.....or fraud....

In no way does the definition of 'personnel' indicate that this person has to be employed by a specific organization in order to execute a corresponding function. My dealings with her only involve procedural matters related to my visa, and that's why I call her a visa personnel. I did not label her a VFS personnel or a High Embassy personnel.

Besides, I don't think a menial semantical issue is in anyway important.

This post has been edited by Cottoncandyclouds: Aug 17 2014, 02:20 PM

a 'visa personnel' exactly implies that.....a person involved with the direct processing of the visa...

this is not visa processing, but a medical examination, which is a requirement of the visa application process....

similarly, you may need a bank officer's letter for evidence of funding, another requirement of the visa.....you will not call the bank officer a 'visa personnel' would you?.....

The visa personnel deals specifically with visa registration procedures. She is directly affiliated with the process, and I know of no other function of hers. The bank officer, as the name implies, has a multitude of functions generally known to the public. He is not specifically designated to deal with visa issues.

A personnel simply means someone who was employed to do a certain undertaking. It is not interchangeable with employee.

visa document submission on thursday. then all is left is shopping i guess.

my friend finished his in 2 hours. or less. I didn't expect it to be that long so i didn't really prepare stuff to do. just sat there and wait. haha!

this reception clerk at the clinic has also similarly, as the name implies, a multitude of functions in the clinic....she is not only dealing with british visa process....the same clinic may have australian visa medical examinations as well, and she will also deal the registrations of other normal patients.....

she is an employee of the clinic, and i can assure you NO clinic is going to employ a reception clerk purely for medical examination for students going to the uk, the process of which only takes place 2 months in a year.....

unless you are now saying she is the employee of vfs, specifically stationed at the clinic to assist in this medical examination.....

This post has been edited by limeuu: Aug 17 2014, 02:51 PM

Two points:

1. You assume that only students apply for tier 3 and tier 4 visas.
2. An employee of the clinic implies a contractual relationship, therefore a legal identity binding her to a certain organization. Whether she has any other function with the hospital remains also an assumption. I do not know whether she is employed by the hospital, the government or the embassy or the visa office.

I reiterate that the only dealings I have had with her, and are known explicitly to me (or even other applicants) are pertaining to visa procedures. This fact cannot be disputed. Therefore, she is called a visa personnel simply because her job scope, evident to me deals with visa procedures. It has no legal implication like 'employee'.

This post has been edited by Cottoncandyclouds: Aug 17 2014, 02:56 PM

since you do not know her exact status, you therefore cannot call her 'visa personnel', and but a worker who helped you with the registration process for the purpose of a medical examination in a clinic.....

a 'visa personnel' would imply that she has no other function in the clinic except dealing with visa medicals only....

i can tell you for a fact that neither vfs nor the high commission station any officers at any clinics in msia for this purpose.....

i can also tell you for a fact that no clinic will employ a staff purely for this purpose only.....

clarity of description is very important, as no doubt you will find out when you start writing reports and thesis in oxford.....

I've published, thank you. Definitions are very important in research.

A personnel is someone involved in an organized undertaking. No part of it's definition limits one's occupation to one function or organizational loyalty (unlike employee). My relationship with her is defined by our visa dealings, therefore, I have every reason to refer to her as a visa personnel in my personal capacity. In my relationship with her, her function does not exceed visa dealings. The word personnel doesn't grant her a specialist status or imply a legal bond with a company.

For example, a volunteer in a soup kitchen can be called a soup kitchen personnel. This might not be her full time job, she might not even be paid, she might actually be here to clean up rubbish. But she is involved in the soup kitchen activity, therefore she can be referred to as a soup kitchen personnel. The core of your argument mostly relates to your subjective perception of the word 'personnel'.

I personally don't understand why are you arguing over menial semantics in such a condescending way. How does this even contribute to the visa discussion, especially when most of us here actually understand what I mean? Why not just google for examples (or even definitions for crying out loud).

This post has been edited by Cottoncandyclouds: Aug 17 2014, 03:33 PM

It has nothing to do with personnel, but visa...

Indeed, someone working in a soup kitchen is a soup kitchen personnel....

Just as someone working in a clinic is a clinic personnel...

You are not at the clinic to get a visa....

The reason is to point out wrong information and advises given in this forum.....

Lest people start looking for the 'visa personnel' at a 'tb clinic'....

It would have been so much simpler if you just say 'my bad' and move on....

Uh, it's not my bad. She is involved in the visa form filling and process. How is 'personnel' limited by physical spaces? It applies to mobile jobs as well ( a volunteer patrolling a residential area is called a safety or security personnel. He does not have to work at a police station).

Noone misunderstood me by far, except you. My information is correct.

Sorry to say that. To be honest, some of your information are quite misleading. Same goes to the terms you used.

it is NOT a misunderstanding....

i am telling you you are using wrong terminologies....

yes, this is a minor point, but nevertheless, is important that people who wants to give advises be sure of their facts before they do.....

i didn't want to bring this up, but since i am forced to make a point, some wrong information can be major, eg this one about notts msia pharmacy programme allowing students to "exchange for one year and still be charged local tuition fees only.".... https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3319632

Dude, I said some programmes, my sentence did not say notts offers an exchange for mpharm. You need to learn how to read.

I stand by my point that ive made no mistake, and will not change my opinion simply because you do not feel that way.




This post has been edited by Cottoncandyclouds: Aug 17 2014, 05:55 PM