i can see improvement on 2nd half where gerard play central mid and meireles go up front.

cole play well but didnt get enough support when he try to run the ball upfront.

i think we just need to improve on aerial defence as we can see from all 3 goals.

cant blame RH for not playing babel, as we already see without lucas, we still cant get any points either.

place for CL??? hmm..

For the 1st half, i see wtf are we playing. ManU are playing flanks but our defenders are too concentrated on the center. 1st goal - why Torres do marking? I though should be defender. 2nd Goal - Jamie just too weak to challange on Barbatov.
I found Jamie is bit old and slow, he tend to give back pass to Reina. It seem like he is like killing the momentum, instead he should brave enough to bring the ball and tried to pass to someone.
I believe we can play attacking game, we did some good passing game on the 2nd half.
Cole is good, in control and dribble. His charging and passing which resulted the free kick. He should given more freely to run. Maybe he play on the flank also good, he can cut into the center.
Torres resulted the 2 goals. He may be quite, but his touch still class. Ball control and running. He just a world class players. As we mentioned, he just lack of ball feeding from the players.
Nani is the worst player on the pitch. I can believe his trying to fool around. He get no respect from me. Some of the foul is just a simple knock but he act like serious injury. At least others players in ManU are trying best to play football.
Players like Ronnie or Scholes or even Fletcher, they don't simple do the play act. I can see most of them just make hard tackle. I mean is normal, even our players also do the same. But case like Nani to do acting on the field is just a coward.

For the 5 games in a row, Liv only wake up or how to play for 15-20 min, the rest just lead the opponent to bombarb Reina's goal.

And I hate to say again and again, Liv deserved nothing from the match.

i believed they deserve a point from the match.

If Lucas was playing , the score might be 4-2 or 5-2

Did great?
Score a penalty and a freekick (which defender should brave enough to block the ball instead avoid it) is not something to proud about.

There is virtual zero threat to VDS for the entire match.

Good performance?? Did I watch the wrong match?
It is lucky that come back from 2-0, but yet defending is still dismay.

Liv only plays better for 15-20 period, other than that, it is just like attacking vs defending practice which Liv is the end of the defending side.

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Added on September 19, 2010, 11:24 pmFrom my pov, zero point.

AF makes a sensible comment and hit the nail on the head.
This post has been edited by cherroy: Sep 19 2010, 11:24 PM

Chill bro , ur not alone. If we would've taken that 1 point , I'll take it anytime be it luck or wat. But the point here is , we really don't deserve any. We played freaking badly.

Apart from Meireles , nothing is there to cheer about ( except for the absence of Lucas )

here are my thoughts. fair result considering the full 90mins, apart from the 2 goals n johnson's shot wide, we created nothing, not even a half chance. credit to the lads to pull 2 goals back, and as again is gerrard, it would be a crime for him not to ever lift the bpl trophy.. there is only a major question in my mind, n that is what is bloody wrong with our defence these days ? under rafa we were hard to break down, most of the times we look solid at the back. i dont see many changes except for konchesky coming in at lb.. we have pretty much the same back 4 who has played together for more than a season together. i also wonder what has changed reina, in the sense that i dont see him coming out punching the ball / dealing with crosses much anymore.

taking into account from both games against birmingham n manu, i can see we look really shaky defending crosses.. at times we are so easily opened up and another talking point would be we play so narrow at times i feel like we are playing the diamond formation. cole n maxi arent exactly wingers n again m disappointed with torres esp in the first half though credit to him for being heavily involved in our 2 goals. the only player that played well imo was meireles n he was rightly sub-ed out, can c him really tired.

of the 3 goals, we could've defended better on the 1st n 3rd, but then again, it was manu's defensive errors too that brought us back to the game rather than brilliance on our player's part. we can always argue that o'shea should hv been sent off being the last man, at least i tot so too when i saw the challenge. i m questioning the fa's decision to let webb officiate the match, considering this is his first competitive match since the wc final if i'm not mistaken, i tot he made a number of errors n couldnt control the match as a referee.

another thing to add, nani is slowly becoming the next hated player in my books, dont get me wrong, he is someone i wish to see in our side, being a winger who has trickery n pace n every bit of a natural winger.. but after tonight's game where he is trying to make a meal of every challenge, its just so wtf !!!! f-ing pissed to the way he goes to ground with really minimal contact. oh dear, what has happen-ed to the beautiful game

Agree wif u...liverpool is an inferior side this game, rarely manage a shot towards goal. they onli count on refree decision to produce goals.. cant see any future in this kind of yo-yo football..i can see torres trying hard to chase every ball that was badly passed to him.. and liverpool midfield lack creativity, keep on backpassing to goalkeepr and there goes a kick from reina towards nowhere. sick.

konchesky is nothing to shout about..........plus terrible defending by carra and skrtel....

maybe carra need rest........

terribly sad that we've beaten...from performance during birmigham until today's game.......i dont see we can get the top four....but its still early to throw the towel...but not much improvement as no creativity player......

YNWA !!! black monday :-)

Again it is not the result the matter, it is the performance concern the most!

So far, the performance is as good as relegation fighting team.
As soon as I watch for 30 min, I just wish the match ended now, with 0-0.

Reviewing the 1st goal
I was shock to see Torres marked Berbatov (opponent player that you know is threat to the goal) when corner kick time????
Torres is not known for its aerial ability and defending!

Although I think we should be optimistic of our chances as we are after all Liverpool FC with some quality players, realistically anything better than last season's 7th will be a great achievement for us, so expect us to suffer more painful and unexpected defeats this season.

nice try Liverpool. Should've been a draw. Webb made a huge mistake for not sending oshea off. clearly the last man holding Torres back.

This post has been edited by jiidaineko: Sep 19 2010, 11:54 PM

onli hope that liverpool will pull a shock by getting europa league title this year.. the players need morale boost.

I thought our fullbacks were really poor.

Crosses were homing in from left and right, and our CBs were not doing a good job dealing with em. Apart from that, most of their deliveries were quite dangerous, and rarely get disconnected with the forwards.

All in all, we were sorely lacking and width in quality. Torres again, looks frustrated, apart from winning the pen and free kick, he was virtually anonymous throughout the game.

You gotta give it to Berbaflop. This could be probably his best season and (game) so far...and it's all about patience somtimes.

Dunno when will we get the two cancerous leeches off our club. Really sick of the current situation. No money, no quality and confidence running low. When will we ever get to see the silver lining again from the dark clouds?

BTW, Chelsea is raping Blackpool as we speak.

This post has been edited by carloz28: Sep 19 2010, 11:57 PM

well imo u r wrong, torres is one of our better players who heads well, besides the likes of skrtel krygy and kuyt. u c, torres is an aggresive player, and with full match fitness n better body language, m sure he can out-muscle berba, m just disappointed with how he defended, as a striker, he knows that u have to be infront of your marker to win a header, hence vice versa when defending, i just didnt know what was he thinking there, being behind berba n backing away instead of going for the ball n win it. something is wrong in his mind, i guess he miss rafa

Tactically we lost to ManU, we can see they are attack on flank and yet we don't have players to keep them busy. Seem every time Manu has amble of spare and time during attack from flank. I believe we still can play good football, RH should have more confident on the team and dare to make changes. Even he opt for safe game, we still can't acheive anything, Why not just throw a tactic asuming he has the best players in the world. Play a match wining game instead of opt for draw.
Nani is slowly become the dark side.

nani wants to be the next cr7

last season carragher also the last man to hold owen yet not sending off

To be fair,
Liv has been getting away from several potential penalty in the past few games even this game, especially our defenders nowadays like to holds on opponent shirt during set-piece and corner kick time.

Even it ended up a draw, there still lot of worry on the performance side.