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post Sep 12 2010, 12:21 AM

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QUOTE(cjlai @ Sep 11 2010, 11:43 PM)
i'll hv solution for SLR Magic in a week+ biggrin.gif
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post Sep 12 2010, 12:24 AM

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QUOTE(mastering89 @ Sep 12 2010, 12:20 AM)
haha nice, need wait i get NEX first  whistling.gif
any news on the samyang 35mm yet ??
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post Sep 12 2010, 12:27 AM

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sig, u get it d then we TT k? long time din TT d... mana TT king Mo0?
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mau TT tunggu tshirt from cyril siap la. can COD as well. haha. who's his contact in KL to distribute the tshirt anyway?
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http://www.photokina-show.com/0742/sony/hd...-nex-camcorder/
yeng wor... No battery can operate~~

More about A580... Don't know when will it be available yet but... hahaha...

http://www.letsgodigital.org/en/26901/sony-alpha-580/
http://www.photokina-show.com/0731/sony/di...ha-a580-review/
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met up with Moo on raya eve to pass him his alphanatics tshirt.. YES its been THAT longggg those shirts been in my car

he said he's been super busy with assignments and exams apparently, even no time to come LYN recently
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Here are my findings with the Sony A55V in 10 FPS, and the Sony A33 in 7 FPS mode. Note that due to the inability to repeat the test consistently, you cannot take these results as fact. The subjects were mostly waterskiers, with varying speed, and the camera operator (me) is not a experienced sports shooter. Hence, when I framed too tight, it caused the subject to be out of frame and out of focus.

A proper scientific test would use a subject with fixed speed and fixed path, e.g. a toy train on a fixed track with fixed tungsten light.

In 10 FPS mode, the camera will:

1) set the aperture as close as possible to F3.5, due to the phase-detect AF sensors having a virtual aperture of F3.5. This means a 50mm F1.4 will be set to F3.5... but a 70-400mm F4-5.6G SSM will be at 5.6 if the lens is at 400mm. No matter how bright the lighting is, it will never choose F8 if the brightest aperture of the lens is F5.6.
2) set the shutter speed to the reciprocal of the focal length (multiplied by crop factor) or faster. For 400mm it would be 1/400*1.5 = 1/600s. However since the A55V does not have 1/600s as a shutter speed, it goes to the next fastest shutter speed - 1/640s.
3) set the ISO sufficient to give exposure now that the aperture and shutter speed have been determined. In bright daylight, it would end up being ISO100.
4) if the shutter speed is too slow, speed it up to avoid overexposure (mostly on shorter focal lengths.)

This means that in bright sunlight, the Zeiss 24mm F2.0 will be shooting at 24mm F3.5 ISO100 1/500s (or however the meter reads.) Meanwhile, the Sony 70-400mm F4-5.6G SSM does 400mm F5.6 ISO100 1/640s. Of course if you point at the sun it would probably do 1/4000s!

I did not get to test either lens or combo indoors though. I imagine that using 10 FPS mode in low light without flash and a 50mm F1.4 will be bad since it will be at F3.5 all the time.

My findings with the A55V in 10 FPS mode are as follows:

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It helps tracking greatly if the subject is not too big in the frame, around this size.

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Don't let the subject travel near the edges of the frame! The frame before this was in focus and the subject was in the same area.

Once the subject is out of frame, when it reenters, it may take 3-4 frames to reestablish focus. If anything, I would say it has to do with my technique (I am not a sports shooter.)

Avoid zooming in too much as there is a large risk of losing the subject totally. Better to zoom out a bit, to allow yourself room to follow the subject. This also makes for sharp, in-focus shots!

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This is as tight a framing I could get without losing the subject.

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This is too tight!

Does the EVF, showing the last picture shot when doing 10 FPS, cause me to lose the subject? No - I've been missing the subject previously whenever I zoomed in too much.

I shot a few 10 FPS sequences. I could put each picture in one of three categories - good focus, so-so focus, and out of focus.

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This is good focus.

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100% crop from the above.

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This is so-so focus - not tack sharp, but not totally out of focus either.

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100% crop from the above. Note that you could still get away with the above picture, but not the 100% crop!

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This is out of focus - 100% crop.

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post Sep 12 2010, 01:49 AM

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Series 1 - waterskier shot with A55V and 70-400mm F4-5.6G SSM at 400mm.
Good focus: 19/34
So-so focus: 8/34
Out of focus: 7/34

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50% crop from the A55V with 70-400mm F4-5.6G SSM at 400mm F5.6 ISO100 1/640s. From Series 1.

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Likewise, from a few frames later.

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Series 2 - waterskier shot with A55V and 70-400mm F4-5.6G SSM at 400mm.
Good focus: 15/30
So-so focus: 7/30
Out of focus: 8/30

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Series 3 - people with A55V and Zeiss 24mm F2.0 SSM.
Good focus: 14/30
So-so focus: 6/30
Out of focus: 10/30

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Series 4 - panning far away person with A55V and Zeiss 135mm F1.8.
Good focus: 5/6
So-so focus: 0/6
Out of focus: 1/6 (only the first shot - the other 5 shots look similiar)

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Series 5 - panning much nearer person with A55V and Zeiss 135mm F1.8.

Once your subject is this close and near the edge of the frame, you might just lose focus. It is nearly outside the comfort zone of the A55's AF!

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Series 6 - waterskier shot with A33 and 70-400mm F4-5.6G SSM at 400mm and 7 FPS.
Good focus: 31/40
So-so focus: 0/40
Out of focus: 9/40

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50% crop from DSC09505.JPG.

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post Sep 12 2010, 01:50 AM

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DSC09520.JPG.

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I don't remember how much this was cropped.

All of the shots of the waterskier were in good focus! Strangely, the out-of-focus shots were attributed to some of the boat frames.

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Series 7 - people shot with A55V and Zeiss 24mm F2.0.
Good focus: 22/28
So-so focus: 3/28
Out of focus: 3/28

The gains from the translucent mirror technology are more apparent with moderate to slow subjects - I definitely would feel the performance when shooting events, gigs and weddings, for example. However I am not sure how much a sports shooter will benefit from this. While some would say the A55V equals the Canon EOS 7D in AF, and some would say it does not - I have tried the Canon EOS 7D myself and found the AF to be not that great (but this is probably due to operator error - first time I picked up a Nikon D3 with AF-S 300mm F2.8 VR I just got a bunch of back-focused faces.)

It would be best to wait for the birders and sports shooters to get the A55 to see how it performs in their trained hands.

I also shot a video using the Zeiss 24mm F2.0, tracking behind someone walking at a moderately fast pace (think street documentary) and it was able to keep focus on the subject while not having visible motion blur. However, when tracking behind someone running, the video started rolling (tilting left and right) due to running motion. The difference is like the old Handycams with SteadyShot but without 3-way shake cancelling. Unfortunately though, those videos were not in my Memory Stick...
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whoa!!
a55 is kind a facinating..

i think i'll wait just a little bit more till next year to see what sony A7xx has.

thanks all sifu for the advices..

50mm f1.4 is kinda nice..but it'll have to wait..
haha..
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post Sep 12 2010, 02:22 AM

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I must say the a33/55 is as poinsoning to me as the nex is. But nothing that i really need. Its more of a want. So yeah, but interesting stuff sifu albnok, as usual. smile.gif
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post Sep 12 2010, 09:31 AM

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sunday sepam....cameron series continues..

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post Sep 12 2010, 10:12 AM

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@albnok

that is a pretty good insight into a55's burst shooting
are those taken during the sony event?

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post Sep 12 2010, 02:09 PM

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so this are first batch sony dslr with video record mode. anyone does know what is sony next plan..
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ayam backkkkkkkk from genting AND another round of photoshooting. rclxm9.gif got about 1000 pics to process. GG. sweat.gif

thanks albnok for the sharing~!! wonder what brian smith will think about the camera. hmm.gif

spam one pic first:

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post Sep 12 2010, 03:41 PM

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NEX 10VG
Preorder from Zaloon...
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post Sep 12 2010, 03:44 PM

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testing a new style of shooting......hope it is not too bad... tongue.gif

C&C welcome...

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