ahpingko : We can't be knowledgeable in all areas. There's bound to be some areas where we are unfamiliar with, for example diamonds. Can you really tell one grade of diamonds from another?

yalo..lols..

low maintenance is ok ma...normal girl...

u hunt for high maintenance...u will die fast...xD...thr is no love liao... ..i really hate those girl who are materialistic...indeed they are pretty(due to cost/time spend for makeup, branded clothes)...no many guy who can afford such kind of girl...and.....most importantly, not a wife criteria...for me la.. i dowan marry a piece of decoration...wakakaka

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Added on September 8, 2010, 4:46 pmthat different story lo bro...

like that we only can go reputable shops..if in our scope of knowledge then we must do enough research by ourselves..isnt it?

This post has been edited by ahpingko: Sep 8 2010, 04:46 PM

haha...
i would say for current market "gals"...
d maintainance fees dat i stated i consider low to low-mid...
can be applied maybe all states except kl + jb ba....

btw...
mine mind same wif ahpingko...
pay less price...
+ warranty onli...
else i won't hear anithing comes out from d sales person mouth...
well...
from other things like shootkk mention...
those r things maybe i'll buy once or ++ in my life...
jz get con ba...
since i won't get ani grade A for dat...
rugi maybe oso Rm1 - 2k in a lifttime onli...

This post has been edited by Str33tBoY: Sep 8 2010, 04:52 PM

hahaha, no la... scare holiday also... but then, i also scare later turn into heat discussion... hahaha but i strike it, at least ppl still can get read it and get rough idea whats it about.


fuuuyooo the lily is soooooo niceee...!!!! your GF is a walkproof of, you dont need a pro camera to get great photo!

i fork out a 70200G for a proposal ring (sometimes think back,... i think i am childish,... should play more lens first...LOL)

shootkk: but when u look at the Bigger picture of the case... the merchant is still Unethical~~ still wrong... and still, people need to report them... because 8 years ago, when i am noob with camera, i followed my uncle to a camera shop in TS, he was dazzled into buying a olympus (when we are initially thinking of canon 400D), that oly is 4.8k! when we went online do research, we found out that camera is RRP 3.8k! WTFFFFFFFFF we stomp back to the shop, the same boy(who served us) told us money pay cant return, we insist to talk to his boss, but he phone his boss, and his boss say can exchange for extra product, gave us nonsense filter and extra batt... but still my uncle was conned 1k.... so this is his fault? i mean, its the shop being dishonest and dazzle people into buying at the first place. their INTENTION is wrong from the beginning... its no diff from conman: who uses people weakness to exploit for personal gain.

no diff from a market selling sugar with mark up price due to 'non sense excuse'

isnt it the first place, the shop should help educate people first bout what they getting into, then nicely recommend them and still, ecthically do not take advantage of money issue?

*edit: my uncle was dazzle, because the boy talk very geng, so nice till even me that time think olympus is king of DSLR and canon is lousy... boyyy that promoter is really dangerous...
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wei wei wei, we off topic to maintaining girls? LOL.

ahpinko: do try read more it helps to understand things, and, do pls go to the shop and test it out, listen to the seller what they have to say, although some are idiots, but some might gave u information that dpreview even missed.


lwliam & banzai-san: well, i think, we should learn the next level, which is called, Anticipation... i chase kids around to shoot(client children), never i use 5fps, waste of shuttle and u loose concentration.. i sure try to get 1 shot 1 kill... anticipation is a good skill to have if u can horn it. (and yea, there are time u wan use FPS to make a motion photo collage, which is very nice too)

addition infomation: A550. normal single shot VS 3/5fps and 7fps piority.
for many who might never notice, when using A550 model, try use normal single shoot if possible. at 3/5 and 7 piority, noise reduction is disable (although some might start to argue the CMOS has built in NR, yes, but i mean post-process jpeg NR). meaning u'll get raw noise on jpg. when u use single shot, u will notice drastic noise reduction (and better sharpness) even at iso3200 is noise level is like iso1600(no NR in 3/5/7 fps), and if u activate high NR, the photo turn even more crisp.

This post has been edited by ieR: Sep 8 2010, 05:54 PM

Firstly I guess it's my own fault for not doing any research for uv filters cause I never thought that I would need one.. Actually now I think back I dun really need it also.. I would choose the cheaper option most of the time since I always do my research before buying something.. Just that the seller is quite sneaky as well and a lot of things he did made me buy that overpriced filter.. He seemed all nice and really helpful which made lower my defense.. Besides, it's quite a reputable shop in garage sales that's why I never thought they're like that also!.. I choose not to defame the shop because I know a lot of shops do this as well.. Who wanna know which shop is it just Pm and ask me..

I am just feeling a bit unhappy because I am only a student and I worked full time the past 2 months just to earn half the budget for the camera.. The money conned is already more than a quarter of my monthy salary..

tqtq...

ieR : Man... this is getting waay OT but...

In no way did I ever say that what they did was right. It's morally wrong of course but what I'm getting at is that because of our preference to choose only the one with the lowest price without any consideration to other factors, we are indirectly encouraging this kind of practice.

What you say is true. That's the ideal scenario. Merchants should employ knowledgeable and ethical employees but these employees don't come cheap and they don't get appreciated. Consumers run next door to buy where the price is RM10 cheaper and have cheap, rude and 'don't know nuts' employees which are a dime a dozen. To survive, the first merchant will have to cut cost and ultimately we all end up with cheap, rude and 'don't know nuts' sales persons.

nolar...
where got talk bout maintaining gals...
jz d amount of money hard to fork out onli...
and some contoh...
btw...
i see some review said nex-3 16mm prime not dat gd...
jz go for 1855...
izit true ar...?

and now canon slashing their price...
hehe...
thinking of buy canon product adi...

conman: who uses people weakness to exploit for personal gain.

Another thing I have a lot of doubts is because the camera wasn't even sealed when I went there.. And before that when asking about stock, at first say no stock then suddenly got stock... Besides that, the missing rear lens cap really add up and make everything looked like a big scam...

to be honest... they are comparing with DSLR 16mm... i mean, the distance from the lens to sensor is diff, mirrorless is much closer, definitely will have distortion issue... they should compare with other mirrorless 16mm... and honestly... the overall quality (inculding build) is by far, the best 16mm in the market for mirrorless IMHO

icic...
coz now i'm think not to take d price...
coz i think 16mm vs 18mm different not much...
well aperature do matters for me...
but zoom is a must for me...
so nid some advice + opinion...

btw...
i refer back to sony.com...
y prime lens 4 colour...
zoom lens 2 colour...
zzz...

hahaha, nope, its still about sony camera, indirectly.. LOL!

well, we only can play out part to do some homework before buying... that is the best we can do. others.... we can try bring along a more experience friend along too~

dunno nuts is okay... i am more afraid the SMART one... they so smart, they have the skill to hardsell u anything... even a car... LOL!

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Added on September 8, 2010, 6:22 pmerrr the 16mm is a F2.8 lens, its a bright lens, means it can shoot better in low light condition.

the 18-55 is normal kitlens (i dont think its normal if it has OSS, motor, and DMF... @.@) but still, i think there is no smooth feeling of 18-55 in the market as good as the SEL1855.... how i wish sony make a SAL one excately like that... LOL

This post has been edited by ieR: Sep 8 2010, 06:24 PM

i know dat...
but zoom is a must for me...
haiz...
a hard decision if i am going to buy...

lol. just buy 16mm pancake. later buy 18200, more zoom powah! u said u 'need' zoom right?

hahhaa, no la, just giving an example..
i seldom use my full 5 fps as well except when i was panning at sepang and doing group shots (to avoid the 'blinkers' - even so, its probably only taken in 3 shots) and yes, i agree on the anticipation as i do it most of the time waiting for 'the moment'. friends have asked me why is the camera stuck to my face for so long looking into a scene and yet have not pressed the shutter, i just say "wait for it, wait for it". its when AFTER i pressed the shutter and i've showed them the result they understand why.

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Added on September 8, 2010, 7:21 pmSEL 18-200 POWAHHHHHHHHH~!!!!!!!!!

This post has been edited by lwliam: Sep 8 2010, 07:21 PM

how much u bot ur 16?

i could have suggested TX-9 straight away..

i am suggesting TX-5 because its an older generation..is still a great compact and would be slightly cheaper...

ah never mind.

bought together with nex3 last time

Btw.. Is Sony A mount lens much better than the NEX lens? I am thinking of what to invest in the future..