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 PROTON SAGA BLMCLUB V11, version eleven

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post Oct 10 2010, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(izdyharz @ Oct 10 2010, 03:00 AM)
What nonsense? U think I lied? Or u think my expectation is soooo high?! Did I say not so hot day? Then might as well dont use tint at all. What for u paid thousands to get this kind of tint?  So are u the Tint Master salesman? The way u talked just like salesman after sales service. Typical salesman whistling.gif
Again, I DONT RECOMMEND Tint Master!
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I lazy to argue this thing to a noob who don't know the law of physics. whistling.gif Speak as u like, sales men la, bla bla bla. yawn.gif


Added on October 10, 2010, 5:33 pm
QUOTE(dagreatdzul @ Oct 10 2010, 10:12 AM)
For BLM u can use a higher UF VS..that shud do the trick. laugh.gif
it can less the jerk u mention.
There r DIY VS selling in www.Blmclub.co.cc

For Auto, u can reach around 350-370km for full tank...thats my car laaa.. i donno bout others.
For manual i heard some can reach almost around 500km..atleast thats what i heard. biggrin.gif
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The jerk is caused by the compressor break-in torque which is about 35Nm, > 1/4 of the max torque, during low rev (<2k), it suffer more.

Nothing to do with the electrical system, so stop saying VS can improve the jerk.

Manual pure highway cruising can get 16+km/L, thats my car, so u calculate that.

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post Oct 10 2010, 07:25 PM

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QUOTE(goohtj @ Oct 10 2010, 06:47 PM)
when compressor kicks in, high current (ampere) is drawn from the electrical system, hence a drop in the voltage in that split second n you feel the power lose or jerk. a battery works like a spare tank  to fill the gap. but a battery only fill in at 12.5v andbelow. our normal operating situation the voltage is 13~14v so from12.5v~13v the electrical system will depends only on the alternater n ecu voltage correcting system which have 1-2seconds delay.
a high capacitor or VS helps to fill i the 13-14v gap. so reduce the power loss/jerk.
those commercial selling VS had <100,000uf helps a little in this jerk.
I had DIYed a 60,000uf VS for my BLM, not much help.

for BLM- low power car with High power loading Air con.. what u expect?

for curious guys, test before u buy loh....
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If you did measure the voltage fluctuation before, u will notice the voltage drop during compressor kickin is <0.5V by <0.5s, which is negligible compare to the huge breaking torque. Thats why i said there no noticeable improvement if install VS.

However this only happen in Manual, and not noticeable for AT because the clutch slip most probably absorb that kick jerk adi.


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QUOTE(goohtj @ Oct 10 2010, 10:00 PM)
that it.. the 0.5v 0.5sec dip causes the drag. if u fill up this, then u will feel smooth.. see, the higher the caps will fill up this gap, the smaller gap, less jerk. good grounding cable also helps.
another good point for VS is, it acts as a filter for most surge/transcient voltage, smoothen the spicky voltage hence reduce the failure of electrical/electronic items eg. bulb/radio/ecu/battery......it is still recommended to have one to protects. eg. when compressor on/off/on/off time, spicky/dirty voltage occurs n this would be transfer to all components connected, a VS will absorbs it. Try connect our BLM to a osciloscope to see the edgy spike voltage.
(a analog sanwa meter don't help.)
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I agree your point of filtering purpose.

anyway, about the dirty voltage, the filter cap inside your equipment (Audio) will do the job as well, no need too worry about that.

Be aware if you DIY the cap by urself.

Ideal cap = no leakage current, ideally no battery drain if connected across the terminals.

But for practical cap, they are certain leakage current through the dielectric inside, means it will continuous drain your battery if u turn off your car, more cap = more leakage current, especially if the electrolyc cap is used, aging cap will become worst. This is the fact that i need to point out.

Anyway, for those who expect light will become brighter, ICE better, just forget about it, in fact VS is not a voltage booster, just Voltage Stabiliser.

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QUOTE(omara86 @ Oct 12 2010, 07:44 AM)
sometimes, when i'm accelerating... for example... pulling 2nd gear... when the rpm around 3k... got a small sound like tikus, "cit" once, can feel power loss abit when the "cit" sound come out... then the rpm naik like usual...

not a major prob but kinda strange to hear that sound... syok2 tarik RPM then the "cit" sound come... kalau blow-off ok la... ni bunyi tikus....

btw it happens to 1st, 2nd & 3rd gear only... random... not always or everytime changing gear...

not sure the sound loud or not from the outside... coz i never ever get the chance to hear to my own car from the outside since he born...
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Thats the compressor kickin sound, new car sound like 'tak', when the car getting old is 'cit'... doh.gif
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QUOTE(klk89 @ Oct 14 2010, 12:49 AM)
a.) Auto-If you tend to drive at traffic jam prone areas. Manual-If you want to save more on fuel consumption. And more powerful I presume. Coz mine was auto and I can tell you its very underpower.

b.) It depends on your preference. Can't give much suggestion here.

c.) You can ask other members who did add bodykit to their Saga.

d.) Our ICE unit is considered the above average sound system compared to Myvi's cap ayam sound system. =)

Sorry for unable to answer part c and d questions. Hope this helps.  smile.gif
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d) Myvi kira OK lo, Viva more worst, unbearable. tongue.gif


Added on October 14, 2010, 10:44 am
QUOTE(klk89 @ Oct 13 2010, 11:56 PM)
Well, I guess that explains why our FC is so high especially for auto Saga.
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Auto BLM FC is ok if you drive like slow ant style, when green light, gently push the pedal , let the gear auto shift at its normal range (2.5k), else if u want accelerate like manual, ur FC will suffer like hell.


Added on October 14, 2010, 10:47 am
QUOTE(klk89 @ Oct 13 2010, 09:08 PM)
Sometimes I feel that even revved to 3K rpm, it seems to be no power at all (just roaring sound). So overtaking  using auto is a kind of skill that need to learn especially with Proton Saga's heavy car and underpower engine. I will often press the A/C off before overtaking. =.=
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Because auto BLM using old tech gearbox, clutch slip is crucial, u rev 3k, but your clutch slip cancel the extra torque at that speed, thats why ur car roaring but no speed and no power felt.

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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Oct 14 2010, 11:25 AM)
He's using auto, so I don't think it's clutch slip. It's probably a combination of Drive by Wire delay + Torque Converter power loss.
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I know he is driving Auto.

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/auto-parts/t...-converter4.htm

Maybe the terms is wrong, but there are some sort of 'clutch' slippage in Auto car if there is no clucth lockup.

Actually the main cause is the transmission itself, drive by wire delay manual also got

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For auto BLM, engine from Proton+Lotus, gearbox from MMC, is it fully compatible? i think the auto user know very well.

In my opinion they should design its own gearbox. But again, this is low cost sedan, maybe will cost up if own design.
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QUOTE(xshiro @ Oct 14 2010, 01:09 PM)
an auto always and an auto regardless its from MMC or not, but actually the gearbox is suitable or good enough for 1.6L..
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Ya, i mean the gearbox itself is good, as you said, at least good for 1.6L, but i do think it need to consider other factors such as engine power and the car weight. hmm.gif

Honestly even my manual BLM with short gear ratio, i still feel is underpower, so auto no need to say anymore.

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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Oct 14 2010, 04:42 PM)
Yeah, with a 1.6 CPS Engine!! icon_idea.gif tongue.gif
I believe there are paint products selling in hypermarkets that can help repair the paint. Not sure what it's called.

Just follow the color code for the Saga, since Saga is very common.
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If really change to 1.6 CPS, i will change my gearbox as well lo, i no need such huge torque just for 110km/h highway cruising.

It called 'touch up paint'. tongue.gif


Added on October 14, 2010, 4:57 pm
QUOTE(alexleow81 @ Oct 13 2010, 11:26 PM)
My driver door when open got a sound nyek nyek already! Hmm....anybody facing this problem before?
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The joint run out of lubricant.

last time my car just few months adi sounded 'krak krak' when open/close. Normal for the car under hot sun everyday.

Just apply the lubricant, apply gel form one, dun use the normal liquid oil, it will wash away by rain.



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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Oct 14 2010, 08:15 PM)
I just replace my IAFM last week. Its only rm258+ or something. Wow quite cheap. I was scared they were going to charge me rm600-rm1500+ for the item. I service outside so theres no warranty for it. BTW i hate those Proton basher that says proton milo tin, last 2 mth my saga hantam another saga very hi speed but the body is strong and the front bonet kemek around 1/3, but the cabin, my windscreen everything fine, nothing happened to me not even a songle scratch. For the ppl that say proton having zinc roof when rain pours in, thats another b*llsh*t as even my mazda3 and my fren lancer have dat zinc roof sound when rains pours in.
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How about the engine? No damage?

Good to hear the IAFM is so cheap, nothing to worry even no warranty.
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Oct 14 2010, 09:13 PM)
engine no damage, didn't even reach the engine.
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Maybe the collision force of milo tin vs milo tin is minimal, if milo tin vs stone then maybe another story. tongue.gif

You change IAFM at outside? hmm.gif

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Haha, no need, i stay at Johor, impossible to go there.

Anyway i assume the price from others authorized SC won't differ too much.
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QUOTE(vinzen2000 @ Oct 15 2010, 10:02 AM)
morning all blm'ers !!

I am looking to buy a Saga Blm m-line MT.

Is the IAFM issue solve in current latest batch ?

I am kinda worry now..
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Don too worry la, without warranty also cheap only, somemore new car got warranty. rclxms.gif tongue.gif


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QUOTE(xshiro @ Oct 15 2010, 10:10 AM)
yesw ont differ much, i heard from eon glenmarie , its rm250


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should be ok for the latest batch ..dont worry
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Last 2 weeks i went to ask SC at my place, she told me RM1000++ for whole IAFM unit. I totally silent and i swear i won't go there for any service. yawn.gif rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(xiong @ Oct 17 2010, 06:16 PM)
Many thanks for the link !

Zircon Green A0151
Metallic Black A0160
Granite Grey A0141
Genetic Silver A0126
Chilli Red (not found)
Solid White (no found)
& Mountain Blue A0154


Taken frm blm forum, posted by siuyi himself  laugh.gif

i'd like to post this here for future reference  smile.gif
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Actually u can found under the engine hood. smile.gif
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For me, Esso 95 share equal FC as Caltex 95, very good i have to say, now can reach 13-14km/L for everyday drive.

About gear shifting point, depends on condition actually.

Normal driving (good mood, energetic and smooth traffic) tongue.gif
1st-4th gear change at 2.6k constantly, or ensure after change the RPM at least got 2k.

Abnormal driving (bad mode, block by idiot and wanna overtook) tongue.gif
1st and 2nd gear rev til 7k, then skip 3rd and 4th straight into 5th gear.

Actually change below 2k won't harm the engine as long as u are not big foot under low RPM condition, else ur engine will vibrate and fuel is wasted becos engine work at not optimum range.


Added on October 20, 2010, 1:27 pm
QUOTE(torresism @ Oct 19 2010, 10:19 PM)
drive a manual BLM is not same like u drive a wira 1.5

due to short gear ratio,i change gear very frequent and fast.

1st gear : around 2-2.5k switch
2nd gear: 3k swicth
3rd gear : around 3k switch
4rd gear: 3k-3.4k swithc
5rd gear: depends on speed. drive at 80-90km/h is the most "save fuel" region of speed.

simple say: make ur car gear changing is smooth whistling.gif
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Me too, always keep at 80-90km/h, even the road specified at 60km/h also. sweat.gif

No choice becos 90km/h is most fuel save and smooth. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(JimboXE @ Oct 20 2010, 02:41 PM)
Right....I am guessing that ur ride is on ron95? Any difference on the rev? At best, my car seems to pick up good speed starting from 3k PRM onwards & mine is an auto. Urs?

Recently replaced brake pads & shoes with Bendix (Titanium) better bite but the screeching sound of metal-like is still obvious. Any solution apart from changing the rear drum to disc?

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Honestly don waste any time to countermeasure this screeching sound la. It won't harm ur life, rite?
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QUOTE(max_cjs0101 @ Oct 22 2010, 04:22 PM)
Anyone having issues where the Air cond when switched on smells weird?
Mine when i switch on the air cond blower(without the air cond power) there's a smell like musty wet clothes smell. I've tried checking the filter but found nothing.
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Thats the smell of vapour. Don't worry.
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QUOTE(alexleow81 @ Oct 23 2010, 11:39 AM)
Just did my 1000KM Service....very satisfied with it!

Now the car more powerful than before service.

This is what I change:

1.) Shell Helix Semi Synthetic HX7 Oil - RM99.00
2.) Fuel Injector Cleaner - RM17.80
3.) Oil Treatment - RM19.80
4.) Oil Filter - RM12.22
5.) Gasket Plug Oil Dra - RM3.32
6.) ScreenWash 300ML - RM5.20

TOTAL = RM157.34

Well, I heard some of you say some are unnessasary items but hey, I think overall it's not expensive and quite cheap though. If you do outside, it would be slighly expensive. I am satisfied with what I changed and now my car are running very much smoothly. Love my new SAGA babeh! smile.gif

Previously I have reported that my car jerk while driving due to the heavy compressor and now it had been solved by changing motor oil.

For those who have not done their 1st service, YES! I have to admit that your car has no power or underpower but after your 1st service, you will feel the difference as it's more powerful. smile.gif
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Because now is free labour charge, wait after u use all the free service, you won't say cheap again. wink.gif
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QUOTE(FormalCat @ Oct 23 2010, 08:27 PM)
Yeah! First service today  rclxm9.gif

my hate for the underpowered low gears are gone!! i can barely believe it thumbup.gif
replacing my lost booklet was a BREEZE. All i did is show my loan agreement, pay 15 ringgit and got a replacement together with all 3 labour vouchers inside, collect it on next service. servicing cost RM137.
rclxms.gif yeah damn happy with my branch so far.

@coolkwc
how much more expensive? I see on my receipt, the labour charge is rm18.00 only.
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Ur 1st three service suppose no labour charge one, after that u need to pay extra RM60-80 for that. Minor service semi sync oil + gasket + filter charged RM180+, outside RM110 all done.
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QUOTE(dvinez @ Oct 25 2010, 02:34 PM)
issit normal for blm to have some krengg krengg sound (some besi ketuk besi/longgar sound) when drive through hole or bump ? ( i think mostly from behind)

or some of my item spoils already ?
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BLM not only have krengg krengg sound, it will have tak tak, cit cit, all kind of sounds that u can't imagine. tongue.gif

Well, ur problem maybe is windows frame vibration, or door panel vibration. Try to observe more.

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