Haha still trying to understand the Buddhism concept. My momentum is very slow.

in mahayana , there is womb realm n diamond realm ....

lotus sutra is the ultimate teaching of the Buddha in womb realm ...

for diamond realm, they normally follow Avataṃsaka Sutra 華嚴經 ...

actually there is no true or false Buddhism ...

there is only one, the 6 paramita ...

just that different people give different view n slowly become rojak ...

if u wanna learn buddhism , just start from charity n morality ...

This post has been edited by will4848: Jul 8 2017, 08:11 PM

eh so quiet?

Ok , let me post something from Abhidhamma (comprehensive manual) pertaining to death.


Four causes of death

The advent of death is fourfold, namely;

i) through expiration of life-span
ii) through expiration of the (productive) kammic force
iii) through the expiration (simultaneous) of both
iv) through (the intervention of) a destructive kamma

This post has been edited by Chrono-Trigger: Aug 3 2017, 10:20 AM

Hi guys, i am currently living overseas and plan to come back to KL to retire in 2 years time. I have been following the Thevarada tradition for many years. I will be living at my mum's place in Bangsar Baru - could someone recommend some centres around the Bangsar area (preferably Theravada tradition)? Thanks again.

may i know what's the meaning of productive kammic force?

Further explanation from the manual:


The advent of death: Death is formally defined as the cutting off of the faculty(jivitindriya) included within the limits of a single existence.

Through the expiration of the life-span: This is the kind of death that comes about for the beings in those realms of existence where the life-span is bounded by a definite limit. In the human realm too this should be understood as death in advanced old age due to natural causes. If the productive kamma is still not exhausted when death takes place through reaching the maximum age, the kammic force can generate another rebirth on the same plne or on some higher plane, as in the case of devas.

Through the expiration of the (productive) kammic force. This is the kind of death that takes place when the kamma generating rebirth expends its force even though the normal life-span is not exhausted and there are otherwise favourable conditions for the prolongation of life. When both the life-span and kammic force simultaneously come to an end, this is death by the expiration of both.

Through (the intervention of) a destructive kamma. This is a term for death that occurs when a powerful destructive kamma cuts off the force of rebirth-regenerating kamma even before the expiration of the life-span.

The first three types of death are known as timely death(kalamarana), the last as untimely death (akalamarana). An oil lamp, for example, may be extinguished due to the exhaustion of the wick, the exhaustion of the oil, the simultaneous exhaustion of both, or some extraneous cause, like a gust of wind.



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I think you can regard productive kamma as some force that enables you to continue live as human... like your own body can sustain itself when you feed it, without even knowing what goes behind it, it just continues to live..... but once it's finished, then you finish lo...



This post has been edited by Chrono-Trigger: Aug 3 2017, 01:17 PM

Next: The Signs of the Time of Death

Sadhu bro

I think bandar utama buddhist society do invite Theravada monks for talks/ retreat from time to time. You can check their website for detail.

I think Bricksfield Maha Vihara should be very close to your place.


If you wanna try meditation, samatha-vipassana, you can go for retreat in centers that are further away from the city. go for few weeks or months.

This post has been edited by Chrono-Trigger: Aug 3 2017, 01:29 PM

Thank you very much Chrono-Trigger for the information. I will check the Bandar Utama website for more information. I probably don't need the retreats because i have been meditating for 17 years now and have attended a lot of vipassana meditation classes in my earlier days.

welcome, and good luck sukita hontu

There is a zen centre in Penang with a full time residing abbot by the name of Myong An Sunim, JDPS from the Kwan Um School of Zen. He is a Malaysian as well.

They are currently seeking funding to have a permanent home in Penang which would ensure continuity and is definitely better than just a rented place.

You can donate straight to them via the website http://www.zenspacepenang.com.

Btw, JDPS under the Kwan Um School of Zen means having the authority to teach in the ways of Zen and having a strong center (mind) and in due time shall received full dharma transmission from a zen master. Kwan Um School of Zen is founded by Zen Master Seungsahn.

Please spread the word and let Malaysia finally have a real zen centre.

Good morning, continuation of excerpts from comprehensive manual of abhidhamma.



The Signs at the Time of Death



Now in the case of those who are about to die, at the time of death one of the following presents itself, according to circumstances, through any of the six (sense)doors by the power of kamma:

(i) a kamma that is to produce rebirth-linking in the next existence; or

(ii) a sign of kamma, that is, a form, etc., that had been apprehended previously at the time of performing the kamma or something that was instrumental in performing the kamma; or

(iii) a sign of destiny, that is, (a symbol of the state) to be obtained and experienced in the immediately following existence.






This post has been edited by Chrono-Trigger: Aug 10 2017, 10:18 AM

Tirokudda Kanda: Hungry Shades Outside the Walls

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For there [in their realm] there's
no farming,
no herding of cattle,
no commerce,
no trading with money.
They live on what is given here,
hungry shades
whose time here is done...

This post has been edited by Chrono-Trigger: Aug 17 2017, 03:46 PM

Is there any more layman explaination like - cant understand most of it:

The first three types of death are known as timely death(kalamarana), the last as untimely death (akalamarana). An oil lamp, for example, may be extinguished due to the exhaustion of the wick, the exhaustion of the oil, the simultaneous exhaustion of both, or some extraneous cause, like a gust of wind.

1. First type of death is like the natural lifespan of human, which is about 80 years at the moment (for humans it varies according to era, but at the moment it's 80 years). So, whatever you do, you may live a bit longer than that, but the body that we have can only sustain us up to that age. So it's not possible for humans to live, for example to 200 years at the moment, there is the limit of our lifespan at the moment.


2. Second type of death, is like the supporting condition for you to become human. Call it a life-force in the body. If you have insufficient karma to become human, even though the body has potential to live to full life-span, it will die sooner than that.

you see, for this body to live, there is like a software that runs it by itself. It knows how to digest food, how to keep your body warm, how to keep your heart beating, etc. This is the life-force. Once this life-force is expended, or finished, the body just breaks down and die - even if that body has potential to live until 80 years, but the life force cannot sustain it to that age.


3. Third type of death, is like anything that cut short your life. Got killed in accident, got stabbed to death, killed in war, killed in freak condition (falling tree, etc). In this case, even though we have the lifespan to live until 80 years, and our life force can sustain us to that age, but we die because there is a powerful interrupting kamma working to cut it short.

This post has been edited by Chrono-Trigger: Aug 18 2017, 09:21 AM

I mean some wiki with layman explaination for other stuffs

Well, it depends on what you want to know.

If you want to know the very basic summary for layman , then you can start with "what buddhists believe" by Ven Dhammanada. It's for beginner to have a grasp of idea what the Buddha taught.

If you are keen to go to the direct source itself, you can try few online websites with English translation of Buddhist suttas.

If you want to know about the esoteric and higher teachings (ultimate realities), you can have a look at Abhidhamma. I think danochanger will know a bit more of the sources. The passages I quote about Advent of Death is from Abhidhamma.


danochanger

This post has been edited by Chrono-Trigger: Aug 18 2017, 11:21 AM

7th lunar month is known as the month of filial piety in buddhism ....

so pls do your duty this month .......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQm20C34MYQ&t=190s

This post has been edited by will4848: Aug 26 2017, 03:01 PM

everyday is a good day to do good