U cannot use this table for comparison because your facts are based on manufacturers estimated pricing for maintenance based on pre-determined factors. Actual maintenance costs vary according to usage and actual wear and tear. Plus for older generation Toyota's the recommended service intervals even for synthetic oil was 5000km. It was only later in 2007 when it was changed to 10,000km for fully synthetic oil.

Ive always used fully synthetic oil except the 1st service to maintain the warranty. So even with the additional service intervals the total cost for 0-100,000 km service from 2003 - late 2008 for my car came up to about RM 5100. This is actual service & maintenance costs which will differ from projected manufaturer costs.

So if the service had been done every 10,000km from the start the costs would be much lower. Probably by about RM1000. Hope this helps. Cheers!

Uve never ignored me and my presence here has nothing to do with anybody. Im here to talk about the Forte and ive done that. If your ego cant accept a mature constructive discussion then thats something for u to deal with. IM fine with it either way. Doesn't get to me at all. Cheers!

Ill ignore the 1st few parts as childish banter. What im interested in is the cost of servicing. U said your forte service cost is RM1xx rite? Is this right? Of course its cheaper cuz its FREE LABOUR for the 1st 3 services right? Silly kid. Thats why i said. Dont simply shoot your mouth off without checking facts. Calm down and learn to debate like an adult.

Nothing of what ive said is irrelevent. Its FACTS. Accept them. Cheers!

Read my previous post for the answer. Besides, why get an old car when she can easily afford a brand new one? Cheers!

Again, please read my previous post for Altis response. New Civic will be out late next year so no point getting current model. We're actually waiting for the upcoming Hyundai Avante. Physical looks seem quite good and specs on paper quite impressive. 2011 will be an interesting year for new car buyers for sure.

Im looking to replace my Vios too. Eventhough it has virtually ZERO problems to date, keeping it beyond 8 yrs would surely result in increased maintenance costs.

Yes ure still with your childish banter. Next time learn to write in proper English. If ppl dont understand you its because of your poor sentence construction. Anyway, on your point about the cost of fully synthetic oil, you say Toyota 5W-40 costs RM 2XX correct? Well ure wrong which makes me wonder whether u actually serviced a Toyota before or ure merely claiming facts. For your info, Toyota fully synthetic engine oil 5W-40 costs RM195. Not RM200+. This price does not change as its a fixed price inventory item.

FrostLance claims the Forte fully synthetic engine oil costs RM 207 while u say its RM1XX? Both of you claim to be proud owners of Forte's right? So how come 2 different claims here? Who is right?



This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Sep 28 2010, 04:53 PM

Well im not sure why they dont publish. Personally, i dont think Toyota needs to publish such info since its a known fact that maintaining a Toyota is quite reasonable. Its evident from the information ive provided above. If it werent reasonable, u wouldnt be seeing all Toyota service centres full every day of the week. Some centres even need to book 2 weeks in advance and almost 60% servicing are for older vehicles.

It seems that the actual costs for maintenance are far lower than the Forte's published manufacturer's cost (which is normally lower than the actual). But then again its only my Vios. Not sure how much maintaining an Altis costs.

My comments are always fair. As ive said before, facts are facts. Even though im a Toyota fan, but if the current Vios is ugly then its ugly rite? My interest in Toyota cannot change that.

How many brands of Fully Synthetic oil does Naza Kia have for the Forte? You mean u can choose different brands of fully synthetic engine oil for your Forte? Something is fishy here. I think Frost is right about the costs. U must have gotten your facts mixed up. How can u possibly be in the prestigious Forte Club if u dont even know the cost of fully synthetic oil for your own car?

HAHA. U silly kid. Fair means being able to admit whats wrong and defend whats right. Thats the meaning of fair here. It doesnt mean there is no pro's or con's. Being fair has nothing to do with being perfect. Check the dictionary for the meaning of both words before u embarass yourself further.

By the way, hows your car coming along after its 'major' accident?

Then u better check and confirm this fact. Ure the so called President of the Forte Fan Club so u should know these basic facts about your own car so that ure in a better position to clarify doubts in future instead of getting excited and worked up for no reason like a small kid.

Cheers!

I didnt eat any words. This car is for my wife not me. But there's a very good chance she's not gonna go for it anyway. Her current Kia is already full of problems despite being only 4 yrs old.

Isnt that what your table is showing as well? u are showing a projected maintenance cost for the Forte based on current market conditions which will not be the same in 5 yrs time. So the issue about time vs cost evens itself out. That means my costing is valid.

Haha. Yes. No problem. But it would vary from driver to driver i guess. No hard and fixed rule.

Haha. I dont commet cuz i want replies la. If u dont wanna reply and choose to ignore instead then so be it la. No issue at all. By the way, ive already answered point No 1 in an earlier post. U dont read i suppose.

Go read the trail of comments first before u accuse me. Read from the start. Then ull see who started what. Cheers!

You're 1 of the few here whom i believe is able to partake in a mature discussion. The problem with most ppl is that they dont know that maturity in discussions is all about being able to express all views, argue the ones they dont agree with facts and accept corrections or an idea change if its warranted. Having healthy arguments is always encouraged in many multinational corporations. Surpression of thoughts & ideas only brings more harm than good in the long run.

Thats the problem with many Governments today. They suppress the critics in the hope that real facts dont come out in the open. This creates a false impression that all is fine and great. Its the same with cars. If everyone is only speaking about the good points of the car while avoiding the not so good issues then what does it create? A false assumption that ure driving a piece of engineering excellence when it true fact it has its up's and down's just like any other car.

Ive had my fair share of negative comments expecially from the Honda City owners back in 2003 when the Vios was first launched as a competitor to the City. And to be fair to them, there were many aspects which the City was better than the Vios.

Anyway, i know there will always be ppl who dont agree with me. But i accept that. Its all part and parcel of having a healthy discussion, Troll or otherwise.

Cheers!

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Sep 30 2010, 10:10 AM

Yes i agree with you. Ive said it many times on this forum as well as Paultan. If the Korean makes can provide the same quality service that Toyota provides, im sure their numbers will increase considerably. The resale value will follow suit. As much as im a Toyota fan, i agree that Toyota is pricing their cars too high while not keeping up to the specs on offer. But all this while they could afford to do it (and they still can) because there was no serious competitor. The emergence of the Forte has somewhat sounded the alarm in Toyota. Plus with the upcoming Hyundai Avante, Toyota cannot afford to sit back and relax.

Im all for an open and competitive market. Its we consumers who will benefit the most from this scenario. Just like whats happening with the home loans now. Its an open warfare with all banks providing interesting financing packages. Same with property developers.

Cheers!

If the current Forte cannot break the 800 units/month barrier, then bringing in the Koup might be a disaster.

Yes its a niche market but the Forte is not a Proton. The Putra for Proton was not its primary sales generator. Just like Toyota, the Putra was produced merely to cator for a niche market whereby even if it had failed, it would not have affected Proton's bottom line. In Naza Kia's case, i dont think they would be bringing in the Koup merely to act as an intermediary sales getter. It would be expected to bring in some decent sale figures. So if your flagship car doesnt do well, how then can its sub-model perform? In Proton's case, it had many other models performing well at that time namely the Wira. Besides, Proton didnt have any decent challengers in that price range back then. Times have changed now for sure.

But then again its just my opinion. Cheers!

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Sep 30 2010, 05:15 PM