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post Sep 22 2010, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(Taipan052 @ Sep 22 2010, 12:36 PM)
never check yet coz never happen, maybe need to wait until 7.5 years before can get quotation.
and same with you la.. how often u change such parts anyway? tongue.gif
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U dont need to wait for it to happen to check prices. U can check it now. Please do then u might wanna consider whether parts on a Toyota is actually expensive or otherwise.
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post Sep 22 2010, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(wind01 @ Sep 22 2010, 02:07 PM)
Cyber,

It's a pleasure seeing you giving the Korean another shot although you have a bad experience before.

Tht's the way to go. See what the current car can offer...not what the brand did in the pass.

The fact that the Forte is "hot" worldwide....so they must be doing something right...this time. wink.gif
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Well its for my wife. But the problem is she's practically got her mind set on a Toyota after seeing my good experiences with them for the past few years. Its gonna be difficult for her to go back to a Kia after her bad experiences with the current Kia. We're waiting for the Hyundai Avante to come actually.
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post Sep 27 2010, 09:01 AM

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QUOTE(StarGhazzer @ Sep 24 2010, 07:25 PM)
On paper the Forte's Theta II wins with 192Nm at 4300rpm and a similar output of 115KW at 6200rpm.
The Civic in comparison produces 114KW (6200rpm) and peak torque of 188Nm at 4200rpm but then again they are merely numbers.
The Lancer's engine is pretty much similar to the Theta II due to the World Engine collaboration. I wouldn't expect the Civic to smoke a Lancer though.
It's worth mentioning that none of the those engines above are charged so there are apparent torque dips in low rpms - the engine only comes alive at rpms above 3500 yet how often does one rev till that extent?

In real life you'll probably care more about handling rather than straightline acceleration; and for me who owns a Forte and has experience with the Civic (albeit 1.8L) they are more or less the same with the Civic feeling just minimally tighter and sharper in terms of steering feel.

However the Forte does loses out by having an inferior 4 speed autobox although there's the sportsmatic mode for more aggressive shifting.
The Civic 2.0 in Australia comes with paddle shifts for feel good factor but I'm not sure whether the ASEAN models come with it or not.

As stated before, Japanese and Korean C segment cars are more similar to each other than they are different. It depends on what you like and what you are able to afford. Right now the pricetag of the Forte is still pretty much the main attraction although it would be unfair to overlook the car's other great aspects.
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U have forgotten another big factor which is the WEIGHT of the car. When we talk power its always a power to weight ratio that must be compared. Not mere numbers.
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post Sep 28 2010, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Sep 27 2010, 11:17 PM)
u r dumb la cybermaster..can u stop trolling here..the weight of a 2.0 forte is about 1280kg..while the civic weights 1249.5..basicly about the same..
get out of here la vios troll..
plz do your homework first before posting dumb comments in here..u already made a number of enemies at paultan blog
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So the weight is different right? So whats the problem in me pointing out that fact? Learn how to speak properly. If ure immature then refrain from responding. This is an open forum and im stating facts. If u find it a problem relating to those facts in a mature manner then be silent. Just cuz ure a Forte fan doesnt mean facts change. Grow up while ure at it.
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post Sep 28 2010, 09:49 AM

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Latest sales figures for August 2010:

Vios - 3192 (22,673)
City - 1901 (14,060)
Civic - 1016
Avanza - 924
Camry - 901
Accord - 728
Forte - 448 (3722)
Altis - 390 (3788)
Sylphy - 331
Mazda2 - 181
Peugeot - 161]
Lancer - 152

Im kinda surprised actually. For all that hype about the Forte & despite being in the market since Nov 2009, its overall sales for this year is still below the Altis sales. That too despite the new Altis being launched much earlier at March 2008 almost 1.5 yrs before the Forte. Im surprised as the Forte has got better specs & pricing than the Altis and usually new models sell well. But i guess the after sales service and resale value factors still weigh down the Forte considerably. I wonder how the Sonata will do in next month's figures.
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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Sep 28 2010, 09:50 AM)
Forte sales is low due to low supply la stupid.. go check out singapores sales.. see who is number 1..


Added on September 28, 2010, 9:52 am

Can u plz leave our lovely little forum here for forte owners..
u are the one who DIDNT NOT GIVE ANY FACTS. Did u give proper numbers.. NO. u simply stated everything. The curb weight of Civic and Forte is almost identical, no difference in figures about power to weight ratio.
In fact if u wanna talk about power to weight ratio do you how much power to weight ratio ur toyta has?

The new vios weights a significant 1100 KG!
Weight (curb min.) (kg) 1020 ~ 1150 (Depending on locale and grade)
Weight (gross)(kg) 1480 ~ 1520 (Depending on locale and grade) and guess how much HP the Vios engine churns out?

1NZ-FE 80 (109) / 6000 /1ZR-FE 87 (116) / 6000 (China)

lol..

Can u plz get out of here Mr.Troll
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Almost identical is not identical. Thats the fact. I said we need to take into consideration the WEIGHT factor when considering power. Thats all i said. if u wanna go barking up the wrong tree then go ahead. No effect on me. ure just childishly pissed that i pointed out a fact which somewhat embarassed you. HAHA. Anyway, no matter to me. And for your info, my Vios is 940kg and its a 109hp. Its 0-100kmph acceleration is 9.8 secs (factory tested) which is far better than your beloved Forte. And mind u, i wasnt the one who brought up the Vios here...YOU did.
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post Sep 28 2010, 10:11 AM

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Why bother about the Forte sales in other countries? Only a fool will compare with Singapore when its common knowledge that its not damn Naza thats servicing their vehicles there. Its Naza poor after sales service standards which are bringing down the Forte sales which in turn will translate into poor resale values in about 3-5 yrs time.
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QUOTE(XionCity @ Sep 28 2010, 10:11 AM)
personally, i think from now to next yr, Altis sales are going up.
the new altis offers new super cvt gearbox, dual vvti engine.
and is toyota....so, kinda our forte sales will b affected
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Yes the Altis sales will increase for sure. But once the new Hyundai Avante is launched next year with competitive pricing, both the Altis and Forte will suffer. Thats a fact. The Avante's 6 speed auto gearbox will be an attraction.
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QUOTE(XionCity @ Sep 28 2010, 10:17 AM)
yea...hope new Avante will pull Altis sales DOWN.....booooo to T&H xD
and also hopefully Naza launch Naza Koup(Forte Koup) in near future....to beat down those ******* T&H
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Not really correct. The effect will be felt more by the Forte. The Forte is a flagship car for Naza Kia now. No other Kia in Malaysia has garnered this kind of sale figures. Plus its a newly launched car. So if the Forte sales drop it will be a big whack. Whereas Toyota does not depend on the Altis sales. Toyota has the Vios, Camry, Hilux and Avanza to bring in their sales. So losing sales on the Altis will not have much effect on their bottom line. Toyota sold almost 59,000 vehicles this year alone while Naza-Kia sold less than 7500.

But either way, having more competitively priced cars is only good news for the average Malaysian buyer.

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post Sep 28 2010, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(Taipan052 @ Sep 28 2010, 10:28 AM)
dude, you're not a fortezen and dont know much any latest development.
do you know how many still cant get their car after 4,5 and 6 months?

malaysia is a small market. lots of demand elsewhere also need to take care off.
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The delays are due to Naza's internal problems as usual. The same problem occured with some other models. The issue about demand is all salesman talk la. Already almost 1 year since the launch and still the same excuse? This excuse may have been valid for the first few months as its with many other car makes as they try to gauge response before ramping up production. But after almost 1 yr there is no such excuse. This problem is nothing to do with Kia but the local Naza dealership itself. Typical Naza.
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QUOTE(XionCity @ Sep 28 2010, 02:01 PM)
SC sure will charge way expensive 1
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How expensive is expensive actually? A normal service for a Toyota Vios with fully synthetic oil and changing oil filter and gasket every 10,000km costs RM 293 inclusive of labour and taxes. Plus since my car is old and im a Merit customer, i get free windscreen chemical wash in addition to the normal body and engine wash & silicon for all power windows to aid with smooth operation.

Yes the costs could be cheaper outside but paying less than RM300 for a Toyota SC basic service with peace of mind i guess is worth it.
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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Sep 28 2010, 02:35 PM)
another bogus bullshit claim by cybermaster again. talking without proper facts.. GTFO from this thread. Go bark at Vios thread instead of coming here. U dont like the forte..GTFO. 1.6SX here selling like hotcakes. Even in terengganu before raya there were bunch of fortes now all empty being sold out..booking list is getting longer but supply from korea is low. The forte is topping toyota in almost all countries (USA,SINGAPORE, CHINA, Africa countries), thats why the low supply to our country.
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Oh yes its selling like hot cakes for sure. U see a few cars being registered and its classified as 'hot cakes'. HAHA. If that is 'hot cakes' for u, then the Vios selling (and registering) more than 3100 units per month is what? A sales tsunami? Anyway, not my intention to upset anybody. Just stating some mere facts here.

If the sales delay is indeed the real issue, u can be sure the Forte will be slaughtered when the Hyundai Avante is launched as its in the same category. Kia and Hyundai have far fewer loyal customers unlike Toyota & Honda. So if there's a major delay with Forte u can be sure many would jump ship to the Avante without a 2nd thought. Again this is a credible point and possibly a fact too. So no need to get emotional just cuz i state something against your own self made beliefs.

Besides, as ive mentioned, i am considering the Forte for my wife as well. But facts cannot change ragardless whether i get a Forte or otherwise.
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QUOTE(neko_neko @ Sep 28 2010, 03:15 PM)
U should provide Toyota Altis instead of Toyota Vios, u shouldn't compare car which is diff Segment B and C. sweat.gif
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Yes thats true but i cant provide Altis since i dont own one. Im not comparing with Forte in this post. Im merely responding to the claim that servicing at manufacturers SC is expensive which i dont think so considering the benefits.
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QUOTE(izputra @ Sep 28 2010, 03:13 PM)
Hmm...Note that the current Civic launched about 4 years back & if this is the case, why until early this year (on March to be exact), Honda Malaysia still needs about 2 month to supply the car (Civic 2.0) to their customers? It was produced locally (CKD) some more as compared to Korea CBU Forte (sorry fortezens for bring up this matter again..i have to). I dont think that Honda dont want to ramp up their production here to cope for the demand right? Or did Honda mistakenly gauge the response from the public? Not after 4 years of launching i think. Further more, new gen vios also launched few years ago but still my father need to wait about 1 & a half month for it (April this year). So there must be some excuses for that to happen to any car manufacturers. I personally dont think that it is purely all salesman talk.
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Im not sure about the Civic waiting period, but the difference here is that despite the waiting period for the Honda and Toyota as u claim, their sales are still in the thousands per month while the Forte is still at less than 500. So if the waiting period is a common issue for all manufacturers, then why is the Forte sales suffering?


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QUOTE(Taipan052 @ Sep 28 2010, 03:27 PM)
at the same figure for forte (if fully synthetic). rm300 (fully synt + gasket + oil filter; inclusive labour and charges and free carwash)

what he meant by expensive if the price for engine oil in which cheaper much outside and this is applied to all SC.
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Yes agreed. All SC change extra for the engine oil as compared to outside.
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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Sep 28 2010, 03:22 PM)
http://www.nazakia.com.my/sedans/forte/maintenance

Fully Syntethic Synthium rm 209
GASKET-OIL PLUG Rm2.50
FILTER ASSY- OIL Rm16.19

SERVICE Charge Rm 102.20
* 5 % GOVERNMENT TAX Rm5.11

Total Cost Rm335

Naza SC provides free Car Wash everytime
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Yes free car wash but not engine wash rite? Toyota does. HAHA. Small point anyway.
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Eh i wanted to ask u guys something. Is it true that Forte warranty is only 2 yrs or 50,000km?
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QUOTE(izputra @ Sep 28 2010, 03:32 PM)
Good..since that u uses your Vios for 7 years & servicing at Toyota SC, u should have the figure for the table below right? (Since i cant find it anywhere in Toyota's website). Kindly give your Vios maintenance cost pricing (from 1k to 100k km) to me so that i can update the table for the benefit of all smile.gif[attachmentid=1805414]
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Eh your 5yrs cost for Forte with mineral oil more expensive than full synthetic oil?
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QUOTE(neko_neko @ Sep 28 2010, 03:38 PM)
doh.gif If u are considering forte for ur wife, than let ur wife test drive it, let her the 1 decide wat she want, if u really love her.

No matter what facts about other vehicle u bring-in here, none of us care ( not to say totally dint care, just that we are already know mostly of the facts ), because we are already one of the owner of forte and we are proud of being 1  thumbup.gif
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Being an owner doesnt mean u know most of the facts la. Only a silly person will claim that. U only know facts which the manufacturer has told u and your own driving experiences for the past few months. Hardly the amount of time required to 'mostly know' anything.
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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Sep 28 2010, 03:43 PM)
why dont u get a new vios and a new altis la cybermaster..
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Vios - current vios is ugly
Altis - too old fashioned (Civic & Forte much better in this sense)



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