DotA Dota Allstars 6.41 V2, General Discussion
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 Jun 8 2005, 12:04 AM
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QUOTE(Ah WanG @ Jun 7 2005, 11:35 PM) i noticed 1 thing IceFrog is the Official Map Creator. And Guinsoo is the modifier of the 5.84b to 5.84c and 5.84d...how come in v 609b loading screen.. is not Guinsoo Presents anymore instead of IceFrog Present? or in 609 tat time is already IceFrog??  |
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Jun 8 2005, 10:50 AM
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QUOTE(Ah WanG @ Jun 7 2005, 06:09 PM) henry : i intro u 1 nice guide for razor Daikor, i already watched the Replay from the website. I noticed that his strategy is PUSH tower, and not a hero killer and also not a pumper or farmer. He farm too slow if compare with his level. His leveling is damn fast. But mid game he become slower. I never use Frenzy unless i at level 22.http://www.dota-allstars.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4819 ya.. at the first maybe u will said : " wtf! wat kind of skills build is tat without chain lighting!" his skills build is like this 1. Unholy Fervor 2. Stats 3. Unholy Fervor 4. Stats 5. Unholy Fervor 6. Stormseeker 7. Unholy Fervor 8. Stats 9. Stats 10. Frenzy 11. Storm Seeker 12. Stats 13. Frenzy 14. Frenzy 15. Frenzy 16. Storm Seeker 17. Stats 18. Stats 19. Stats 20. Stats 21. Stats 22. Chain Lightning 23. Chain Lightning 24. Chain Lightning 25. Chain Lightning and his reason of doin tat his item build is get a thread then hand of minas.. then i try out wif maelstorm... later 2 hyperstone.. erm.. the game end liao.. no time for me to get burize oso liao  after i tried i just can say.. erm.. at the first really can't do anything.. cos dun have lighting to nuke ppl off... but once in mid game... the attack speed is really fast.. once get maelstrom.. farming is not a problem at all combine wif ur storm seeker... but.. vs hero 1 v 1 maybe still can.. 1 v 2 3 4.. oso have to die kena tapao..  How i add the skill? 1st priority = Fervor. 2nd priority = Chain Lightning. 3rd priority = Stat. Level 6, 11 and 16 sure add Storm Seeker. Level 22 - 25 add Frenzy. But i really like the way he buy the items in the early game. 3 x Circlet of Nobility in 5 v 5 game. This is really nice. Cause i only bought Boot of Speed. This Circlet of Nobility can add more mana and more hp to me. Hehehe. Nice. And Razor with Fervor already fast running. No need Boot of Speed for the early game. Will try later. Yeah. |
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Jun 8 2005, 12:26 PM
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henry enufff dota..plz play other game..
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Jun 8 2005, 02:00 PM
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QUOTE(state of abyssmal @ Jun 8 2005, 12:26 PM) henry enufff dota..plz play other game.. tq  why enough wor...and between, what map u can recommend to me? ish ish ish...  |
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Jun 8 2005, 02:50 PM
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I don't take SnY with Razor, then again, I don't take SnY with ANY heroes. I tried it out with many heroes, but find the effect dissapointing, especially the main effect
 Waste an orb effect only. My way of playing Razor is Wraith bands --> Threads --> Radiance --> Anything You Want.Chain Lighitng helps in both farming and nuking. You might say Razor has a lousy mana pool. Well I find heroes like sniper with an ever lousier mana capacity but they still take scatttershot right? Use chain lighting properly at the right time. Just get a few clarities and you'll be all right. I don't even need to buy sobi mask for this guy. Once you got the radiance going and avoid dieing before that, you'll be all right. One of the most important things about DoTA is knowing your heroes str and weakness. Razor has high walking speed, use it to annoy people Only on LAN though hehe |
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Jun 8 2005, 03:49 PM
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yup i agree that SnY's maim effect is useless
thats why i still get mom with SnY but the movement speed helps a lot 10% is a lot and its easy to get too...all the cheap stuff when i play sniper, i only play head shot and stats scattershot is more for farming but headshot works better i think QUOTE One of the most important things about DoTA is knowing your heroes str and weakness. yup...and next on the list is farming if you can farm properly, you'll own |
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Jun 8 2005, 03:56 PM
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QUOTE(huh @ Jun 8 2005, 03:49 PM) yup i agree that SnY's maim effect is useless Agree. Another is Don't Feed Opponent Hero.thats why i still get mom with SnY but the movement speed helps a lot 10% is a lot and its easy to get too...all the cheap stuff when i play sniper, i only play head shot and stats scattershot is more for farming but headshot works better i think yup...and next on the list is farming if you can farm properly, you'll own |
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Jun 8 2005, 04:26 PM
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QUOTE(HenryLow @ Jun 8 2005, 03:56 PM) Agree. Another is Don't Feed Opponent Hero. plz feed them , then u can feel that game become hard |
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Jun 8 2005, 05:14 PM
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QUOTE(Yukito @ Jun 8 2005, 02:50 PM) Chain Lighitng helps in both farming and nuking. You might say Razor has a lousy mana pool. Well I find heroes like sniper with an ever lousier mana capacity but they still take scatttershot right? Use chain lighting properly at the right time. Just get a few clarities and you'll be all right. I don't even need to buy sobi mask for this guy. Once you got the radiance going and avoid dieing before that, you'll be all right. Scattershot in 6.09 is a better farm tool than Razor's CL. And it also provides that .01 stun which is useful to take soem hero's ulti out (SK, CM).The reason this build neglected CL is because he's gearing himself up towards the mid-end game rather than the early game. You can't harrass people with CL as Zues can due to his mana pool, boosting his mana pool would be a drag on his build and CL loses its usefulness in the mid game. While I'm not saying much, I do think a good DoTA player would stand his own with a CL'ed Razor until level 11-12. It's all in how you play the game I guess, I'm still trying to do a great BCM. |
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Jun 8 2005, 05:21 PM
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using chain lightning to harrass only works very early game (pretty useless i'd say if you play safe)
unless you wanna be a hero and walk up to him every time giving him the chance to aim the chain at you instead of creeps i'm a pretty safe player...probably the reason why i'm always quiet early game and start getting into battles later on (unless i'm intel then i'll start nuking early) |
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Jun 8 2005, 06:26 PM
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QUOTE(Yukito @ Jun 8 2005, 02:50 PM) I don't take SnY with Razor, then again, I don't take SnY with ANY heroes. I tried it out with many heroes, but find the effect dissapointing, especially the main effect may i know y u get radiance? izzit for it's +65 attack? or the function tat can cause creeps miss? Waste an orb effect only. My way of playing Razor is Wraith bands --> Threads --> Radiance --> Anything You Want.bcos to me.. the 8% evation like very low chances so normally i no go for radiance.. maybe i can go for burize ?  |
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Jun 8 2005, 07:06 PM
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Radiance has AOE damage, similar to Razor's ultimate.
Both of them combined = farming galore and also makes melee opponents think twice about attacking you. |
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Jun 8 2005, 09:23 PM
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haha, if they still dare to come atk you, they'll SUFFER!!!!
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Jun 8 2005, 10:39 PM
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My way of playing dota, keep the pressure on the opponents from the BEGINNING of the game. DOTA, has a psychological factor, as many might have noticed (or not). By using chain lighting to supress your opponent, you give him the notion that you are strong,you can nuke, and you WILL nuke. I always try to hold my own, even against Zeus. He nuke me, I nuke back. The one who backs down, will fear the opponent in the rest of the game. That is why if needed, I will buy flasks, even as naix, I still go in front. Let them whack and nuke, I don't care, I'll give the image that I am unkillable or at least freakin hard to kill and I won't go down without a fight. If you manage to build up that kind of image, you already won half of the game
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Jun 8 2005, 11:02 PM
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QUOTE(Yukito @ Jun 8 2005, 07:39 AM) My way of playing dota, keep the pressure on the opponents from the BEGINNING of the game. DOTA, has a psychological factor, as many might have noticed (or not). By using chain lighting to supress your opponent, you give him the notion that you are strong,you can nuke, and you WILL nuke. I always try to hold my own, even against Zeus. He nuke me, I nuke back. The one who backs down, will fear the opponent in the rest of the game. That is why if needed, I will buy flasks, even as naix, I still go in front. Let them whack and nuke, I don't care, I'll give the image that I am unkillable or at least freakin hard to kill and I won't go down without a fight. If you manage to build up that kind of image, you already won half of the game Yeah, i know what you mean. With niax i charge up and attack the creeps even with zues on my lane. All he does is spam arc but i just get life back cause i got ring of health and feast so my life goes back in like 3 hits. After i killed that zues a few times he left tho.. then i had to take the centaur on thier team, but he stayed in the back, so he was scared of me and we both only level 10 Trust me |
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Jun 9 2005, 03:47 AM
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that won't work on me
cause the more u piss me off at the beginning, the more i wanna pwn u later XD This post has been edited by YuuYuu: Jun 9 2005, 03:47 AM |
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Jun 9 2005, 10:49 PM
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Anyway CL helps a lot in farming, too. If you happen to be up against 2 heavy nukers or disablers and got problem going in front u can at least farm with CL.
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Jun 10 2005, 12:24 AM
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just hava a game..lost liao..5 v 4 ma( we 4 they 5..we pwn alot)...dunno what the reason...
see this(i use bone:soudesne): http://us.f2.yahoofs.com/bc/4288db95_10d4/...fPNHqCBQGOz4joH This post has been edited by serewen: Jun 10 2005, 01:00 AM |
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Jun 10 2005, 11:03 PM
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oh yeah, one time as niax is was trying to stay on front line but i had to solo morpling and drow and all they keep doing is attack attack attack me.. Later after i had finally gotten enough money for heart, i ran up to them both and get double kill. Then i said "THATS WUT U MOTHER FU**ERS GET FOR SHOOTING ME"
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Jun 11 2005, 02:51 AM
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razor's build,
tower pusher, walking speed and frenzy pirioty. then get damage/aspd creep clearer/pumper Get chain lightning/walking speed items would be boots of travel and radiance Hero killer chain / frenzy / walking speed item would be skadi/stygant + mkb or any attack stuff Simple but i think i have list the major type of building |
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