Can go back and ask him......

The Demo one as probably blue in color that is only meant for the door sills. put that into your subframes and you'll have a super rock-hard non flexing chassis transmitting tons of vibration. Softer one would be suitable for the subframe aka comfort package. To be clear and back to square one? He uses TWO types

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Added on November 9, 2011, 2:17 pmon the other hand, I'd agree with vr2turbo. Why don't you just go ask him directly instead of trying to feel cheated?>

This post has been edited by ThunderGod_Cid: Nov 9 2011, 02:17 PM

the foam i was shown is both the blue and white one.

haven't cure? almost half a year now.

i'm asking for end users feedback, I don't know if its memang like that or mine got issues before i go back to KL Auto. but honestly I don't feel any noticeable difference.

EDIT: both the foam i was shown was hard, the foam in my car is not.

This post has been edited by Jason: Nov 9 2011, 03:30 PM

go back to him mate. Straight to the source, with an immediate answer

He just trying to know more before asking him.......

My ride is not with any foam......

There's two types of foam. One is whitish & the other one is blueish...
I have both done to my car (full package).

1) The white one is softer, and inserted in all the crumple zone areas, so that it does not become rock solid hard.
2) The blue one is harder, and inserted at the undercarriage of the car, they have to strip open the carpet and all.

I've kept samples of the foam injected into my car, and I can say that it's the same as the samples displayed by KL Auto at his shop.
So what I would suggest if for you to bring back your car to Desmond for him to personally check.

So any new updates?

I went to KL Auto 3 days ago to do autofoam for my Wish despite of some of the negative comments circulating around recently. The decision to go down from Penang to KL to do this stuff has been bothering me for a while and I did worry about having making the wrong choice. After done my research and having better understanding on my current car behavior, I believe I will get some handling improvement on my car with this autofoam.

As per Desmond's recommendation I took the Comfort package + A pillar. I did find the car handling has been improved vastly after filling in the foam especial from the 2nd day onward. Having autofoam inside the mainframe does strengthen my Wish and reducing the car body flex a lot. Before this, when I go through uneven and rough road, I can feel the car body flexing and it took a while for the vibration to stop. I guess the suspension was not able to operate in optimum condition as the body flex too much in original setting.

Now I feel very satisfy and more comfortable on how my car is able to handle the road better. I would like to thanks Desmond for hosting and putting extra efforts to educate me on how to improve car handling and also sound proofing technique. I also thanks Desmond for performing some magic to reduce the overdamped sound on my car.

As I drop back to Penang today, I felt great with a better ride home.

One last comment. As everyone has their on expectation on what they want to get out from the autofoam. I believe we need to have a better understand on our car behavior and also the realistic improvement we can extract out from the foam. Then we can walk out with a big smile.

Very true on what expectation you are looking at, as this is not a cure all thing.....

Yes, like what you said, there is no one solution cure all. Car suspension system is a complicated stuff, its behavior is affected by temperature, car loading, tyre pressure, spring and absorber type. For example the car suspension feel different between early in the morning and in the hot afternoon. Personally I prefer my car behave in the afternoon where the tyre has heated up and the suspension is more responsive. Even with autofoam installed into the car, the same principle applies except that the stronger chassis will make the suspension to behave as it should be.

As for car loading, with autofoam installed, I find my Wish rides better when all my family member(2 adults and 4 kids) are inside the car. The extra weight does bring out the advantage of having a stiffer chassis. I believe this is what the original design intent of MPV to carry more load. On the other hand I do feel the ride is harder when I drive along but the handling is still good. So I have no regret with autofoam as this is what I expect it to behave.

Yup, that is why some have good reviews and some not, because not up to their expectation.....

i did mine about a month back and the change was drastic.i Drive a Chery eastar which is an MPV.I doubted and was thinking about DIY before going to KL AUTO .I was shown samples of foam just like u i guess.The difference is i felt the soft and hard.The outer layer which is the crust is hard just like what i saw coming out from my car and i have the sample that drop from my car at home.After breaking through the crust come the softer part which was the same material as of what i dig out of their bottle sample.Maybe you should bring back the car and compare and raise your dissatisfaction to desmond.

Today just had a test drive after doing my A pillar and surprisingly the engine sounded a bit further plus lower wind noise.I still need to go over again to see what can be done to bring the wind noise even lower.Maybe we can meet up when at desmond place hehehe.

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Added on December 1, 2011, 9:33 amI have a different thought as i didnt expect anything so no standard set in mind.The moment the foam was done i was shock how a car could be transform with just foam.I paid 80k for a car that perform like one and added alittle to make it better but instead the little brought me a new car hehehehe.


This post has been edited by oriongoh: Dec 1 2011, 09:33 AM

As your Chery Eastar is a bigger car then mine, the improvement is definitely more which is a good thing. Let us enjoy our new transformed ride. Now I am thinking whether do more foam on B and D pillar.

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2007548/+540

I have the same thing in mind hehehehe.still in the thingking plus the sills.

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Added on December 2, 2011, 9:29 amThis posting was found missing in it's original place and i thought it might be helpful information or as a guidance on what to expect if you use industrial foam.I wouldn't use the word imitation as it's not just 2 different product for different use.
I'm lucky to have went straight to KL Auto and also lucky enough to view the industrial foam from under the owner car even touching it. Below is the posting i got refered to by a friend from another web.

Guys,

I feel compelled for a short review and some advices. I was one of the earlier batch who performed the EA chassis foaming. If you dig out this thread, I mentioned that I don't feel any difference at all.

If you DON'T feel any difference, trust your instict. Something is not right. My advice is, have your car jacked up at any workshop and check for missed section or a possibly a shrinking foam. Check it for yourself (even if you do feel the difference, just double check, it's your car). There are many holes you can see and test on the chassis beam (open the rubber that cover the chassis hole), make sure all is properly foamed. See the picture below, one hole were covered with the foam, but the other hole is empty!. This is very important. You don't want water to be trapped and your chassis gets rusty!





I dully accept IceCube previous explaination that I don't feel the difference because I just bought the car. I accept that until yesterday I gave Desmond a visit at KLAuto (the infamous? shop at Jln Ipoh).

Since I was there anyway, I take the chance to have Desmond and the team to inspect the car chassis, and to my surprised, the foam was not fully done to extend to some section (I remember bro Arj he went back to Kevin's to rectify some missing section too). Many sections are left empty! This is a blessing in disguise as well since I can then still have the chance for Desmond team to inject their AutoFoam (which is expensive, yes). I was skeptical but then I can really feel the difference after that! It was correctly done!

Chassis foaming, if performed correctly, would yield significant results even after a few hours. You can really feel the difference. There's no need to struggle to 'feel' it and eventually you'll fall for a placebo effect to justify your spending.

I feel so dissapointed, should just pay more and do it right the first time at KLAuto. About the foam quality, no i don't feel it's the same. I checked on a 6 year old+ AutoFoam-ed Subaru, with my recently put EA foam, it's different. But then this has been debated by many people here and the other thread, I rest my case. Use your judgement. Many has been said by many people already. I'm just a silly guy who bought my first car. What do I know right.

I'm sorry Kevin, you guys seems like a bunch of honest guy. This is just my honest 2 cent opinion and experience. I hope I will not get into trouble for writing a negative review but I think many needs to be warned just in case someone face the same issue.

This post has been edited by Underhill: Today, 05:58 PM


This post has been edited by oriongoh: Dec 2 2011, 09:29 AM

now u can DIY foaming your car..

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=2057330&hl=foam

oriongoh, you like copy and paste, why not copy and paste my reply also leh?? hehe

here i do for you, reply to underhill msg.
Hi bro,

No worries. Due to newer car, we do not prey open the plastic cover that cover up the chassis hole (only available on some car model like forte and they usually fall off after a year to unknown reason). If i remember correctly, your car was just a week old during foaming so we took extra care to not scratch or broke anything. But due to too much concern on this we did miss out the spot where the covers are. This only happen on the first batch of forte or those newer car model. We apologies for the error and will fix this without any other charges. On top of this, we will give a free under carriage rubberize spray for those who came back for the check-up and fix . This is our promise of better service and improvement. The first batch were on sept 2011 foaming. The rest of the cars was not effected as they do not have the plastic cover as in the pics below, all beams have been filled up to over-flowing level. (see pic).

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Added on December 2, 2011, 5:10 pm
Yup, nowadays also many DIYer come up with this , but if want DIY, alot of precaution and like they say, got kungfu skill one you know? not cincai spray like that. it would not be as hard. see the foam they spray out is different. but better then nothing lah.

People always say will rust but what the use of undercarriage anti-rust? Oh YA! nowadays new car mostly also dont have anti-rust paint on the undercarriage~ that why we offer to spray after doing the foam, value added service!

but still autofoam is the best there is, the best there was, and ever will be loh, who dare challange ohh~~ ?

This post has been edited by IceCube: Dec 2 2011, 05:10 PM

another alternative

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=2098879&hl=

the canister looks like the same as been sold by bro IceCube..

and i just sms the seller, he said this foam is same material with KL Auto AUTOFOAM..

This post has been edited by Kirie: Dec 2 2011, 10:30 PM

Same as KL Auto Autofoam ones??

Actually how many cans are required to do up the chassis??

he mentioned same material as KL Auto Autofoam..

if full under carriage, maybe 5-6 cans..u can ask the seller directly..

wanna try 1 can for my car's B pillar 1st..