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omels
post Oct 13 2011, 01:38 AM

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QUOTE(cuckoo bird @ Oct 8 2011, 11:11 PM)
For some of you who had read my comments a few pages back,..I am for one who is obviously disappointed with doing the chassis foaming due to the much harsher ride quality of my vios.

For me, my car went from being (in my opinion), one of the best ride comfort quality in its class, to the worst ride quality after the chassis foaming.

I am so devastated by the effect that, immediately about two weeks after foaming, I thought of changing car, as it seems that foaming is irreversible. Surveyed around a couple of new cars,....did my homework calculations,....sigh,....I have to suffer with my car for 3 more years until loan is finished...
I don't have enough money to change car now,....I have to live with my mistake.
The main reason I bought this Vios is for the ride comfort (and resale value),...now I had destroyed the only good thing I used to love about my car.

My main target now is to see how to remove the foam,..or at least bring the car back to its original ride quality,...
I don't care at all about the benefits of the chassis foaming anymore,...the noise reduction is quite minimal,....certainly not enough to compensate for the harsh ride quality.
Is there any way to remove the foam without leaving some gaps and holes that can trap water causing rust?

Seriously,...every road expansion joint is felt like I over-inflated my tire pressure.
Every road imperfections is felt much more than before..
And for those who is familiar with driving on the Penang Bridge,...just to let you know, even when driving on Penang Bridge at normal speed,...it feels harsh,...the ride feels too busy and harsh.
And during traffic jam at Penang Bridge,... when you crawl slowly,...you feel every road imperfections there.....the absorber is not able to supress any uneven road surface. Without foaming, you don't feel this road unevenness due to chassis flex.

Can you imagine how it feels when you drive over poor road conditions and seeing your pregnant wife holding her stomach?
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Done Foam on my Civic FD2 last week....To be honest, i totally agree with "cuckoo bird". I m also having bad experienced in this product. No more comfort drive, car's feel very harsh....
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post Oct 13 2011, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(omels @ Oct 13 2011, 01:38 AM)
Done Foam on my Civic FD2 last week....To be honest, i totally agree with "cuckoo bird". I m also having bad experienced in this product. No more comfort drive, car's feel very harsh....
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I tot you did it on monday? 3 days ago ?

so fast already feel "harsh" ?
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post Oct 13 2011, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(omels @ Oct 13 2011, 01:38 AM)
Done Foam on my Civic FD2 last week....To be honest, i totally agree with "cuckoo bird". I m also having bad experienced in this product. No more comfort drive, car's feel very harsh....
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buat dgn siapa ?
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post Oct 13 2011, 02:24 PM

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Foaming stiffen the chassis, therefore ride could be bumpier.
Even for ARB, if fit too thick, ride can become harsh too......

This post has been edited by vr2turbo: Oct 28 2011, 09:57 AM
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post Oct 13 2011, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(ultramaman @ Oct 13 2011, 02:19 PM)
buat dgn siapa ?
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sama tempat dengan kamu~ tongue.gif tapi tayar nipis size 45 , eibach spring ,koni abs, 17incher.
probably already abit bumpy after do the foam might contribute more or less toward abit harsh ride, was waiting for the civic fd2 to drop by and ride on it to see how or what harsh mean but he didnt turn up today.

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post Oct 13 2011, 09:10 PM

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QUOTE(IceCube @ Oct 13 2011, 12:34 PM)
I tot you did it on monday? 3 days ago ?

so fast already feel "harsh" ?
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Ya laa bro...Feel harsh, even my wife also asking why this car suddenly feel not smooth when hitting uneven surface.... cry.gif cry.gif


Added on October 13, 2011, 9:16 pm
QUOTE(ultramaman @ Oct 13 2011, 02:19 PM)
buat dgn siapa ?
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dont want to mention seller name, but i like the seller, very friendly laa.....actually i m really hope after doing this foam, i can experiance all the postive feedback by forumer who has done it before...but maybe i m not lucky here....my civic FD2 comfort gone now.... cry.gif


Added on October 13, 2011, 9:22 pm
QUOTE(IceCube @ Oct 13 2011, 02:49 PM)
sama tempat dengan kamu~ tongue.gif tapi tayar nipis size 45 , eibach spring ,koni abs, 17incher.
probably already abit bumpy after do the foam might contribute more or less toward abit harsh ride, was waiting for the civic fd2 to drop by and ride on it to see how or what harsh mean but he didnt turn up today.
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sorry cannot make today, quite busy....aiyoo.....i dont want to mentione name...but u oredi mention urself....

P/S:FYI CIVIC FD2 Stock tyre 215/45/17....


This post has been edited by omels: Oct 13 2011, 09:22 PM
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post Oct 13 2011, 10:15 PM

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Honestly, you need to take into consideration, when you foam your car, you're stiffening up your chassis. It will no longer flex as before.
When that happens, the load needs to be transferred somewhere, and it will mostly go to your absorbers & springs.

So original shocks, if they are not new, will start to wear and tear faster. I'm also experiencing this with mine as well. The car feels like a silent rally car, it's great, but you also need to upgrade your supporting parts as well. Cause & effect of autofoaming your ride.

When you go for better handling & ride, you will sacrifice some comfort... Once you upgrade your shocks to those with better rebound rates (can take the stronger burder of a stiffer chassis), it will be back to normal.
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post Oct 14 2011, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(omels @ Oct 13 2011, 09:10 PM)
Ya laa bro...Feel harsh, even my wife also asking why this car suddenly feel not smooth when hitting uneven surface.... cry.gif  cry.gif


Added on October 13, 2011, 9:16 pm

dont want to mention seller name, but i like the seller, very friendly laa.....actually i m really hope after doing this foam, i can experiance all the postive feedback by forumer who has done it before...but maybe i m not lucky here....my civic FD2 comfort gone now.... cry.gif


Added on October 13, 2011, 9:22 pm

sorry cannot make today, quite busy....aiyoo.....i dont want to mentione name...but u oredi mention urself....

P/S:FYI CIVIC FD2 Stock tyre 215/45/17....
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Its okie to let everybody knows. I dont like to be hiding or running away.
Drop by and let me check it out when you are free. Would really want to feel how the harsh ride is.

There is a way to get the comfort back but i am not sure if it will work on your ride or not, did it on my own cars and it manage to reduce the bumpiness . But let it cure at least for a week plus first. Let me know when you come by .

Oh ya, someone did mention that "fake" or "imitation" foam will not last long and the feeling of "tightness" will not be there after few months. If that is true, then omels have nothing to be worried about. Obviously its not true, well, omels drop by when you are free, my sifu will put his kungfu and kao tim for you.

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post Oct 14 2011, 10:53 AM

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Anyway I did mention before that I have a 2006 Toyota Vios that has Track package AutoFoam in it, it was done in year 2009 November. Until year 2010 June, I switch my car to Toyota Corolla Altis.

To be honest, once I step into Corolla Altis, yes it is really comfort, bigger car space than Vios. But when I take corner or go over yellow speed breaker, that "feel" in Altis can't beat my Vios with AutoFoam. That Vios is now with my parent since I got my Altis. Until last few days I took the Vios out for driving, and try to feel the harsh, noise and vibration. Immediately I can sense the car is more tighten and less flex. About harshness, yes I can feel the harsh because the absorber and spring already been running for 112,000km. Front using Dunlop tyre and rear using Falken Ziex 912. I can say the tyre is already need to be replaced because of the thread is nearly to the end.

I believe after change a new set of stock absorber and new set of tyre, it could be better. May I know cuckoo bird, what package of AutoFoam that you install in the past and your car mileage?

For mine, I'm also a Penang driver and the vehicle is seriously become tighter. I don't know why, maybe some people cannot take the vehicle that has stiff chassis?


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post Oct 14 2011, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(DSV4600 @ Oct 13 2011, 10:15 PM)
Honestly, you need to take into consideration, when you foam your car, you're stiffening up your chassis. It will no longer flex as before.
When that happens, the load needs to be transferred somewhere, and it will mostly go to your absorbers & springs.

So original shocks, if they are not new, will start to wear and tear faster. I'm also experiencing this with mine as well. The car feels like a silent rally car, it's great, but you also need to upgrade your supporting parts as well. Cause & effect of autofoaming your ride.

When you go for better handling & ride, you will sacrifice some comfort... Once you upgrade your shocks to those with better rebound rates (can take the stronger burder of a stiffer chassis), it will be back to normal.
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i agree on the load is transferred to the absorber..

my stock absorber kong after 5 months my car been foamed..the age of the stock absorber now is 1 year 5 months..

normally stock absorber will last 2-2.5 years..
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post Oct 14 2011, 07:33 PM

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what is the meaning of feeling of tightness? blink.gif
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post Oct 14 2011, 08:04 PM

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QUOTE(lunchtime @ Oct 14 2011, 07:33 PM)
what is the meaning of feeling of tightness?  blink.gif
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tight as a virgin wub.gif flex.gif
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post Oct 14 2011, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(oec88 @ Oct 14 2011, 10:53 AM)
Anyway I did mention before that I have a 2006 Toyota Vios that has Track package AutoFoam in it, it was done in year 2009 November. Until year 2010 June, I switch my car to Toyota Corolla Altis.

To be honest, once I step into Corolla Altis, yes it is really comfort, bigger car space than Vios. But when I take corner or go over yellow speed breaker, that "feel" in Altis can't beat my Vios with AutoFoam. That Vios is now with my parent since I got my Altis. Until last few days I took the Vios out for driving, and try to feel the harsh, noise and vibration. Immediately I can sense the car is more tighten and less flex. About harshness, yes I can feel the harsh because the absorber and spring already been running for 112,000km. Front using Dunlop tyre and rear using Falken Ziex 912. I can say the tyre is already need to be replaced because of the thread is nearly to the end.

I believe after change a new set of stock absorber and new set of tyre, it could be better. May I know cuckoo bird, what package of AutoFoam that you install in the past and your car mileage?

For mine, I'm also a Penang driver and the vehicle is seriously become tighter. I don't know why, maybe some people cannot take the vehicle that has stiff chassis?
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for some people tighter means more harsher.. lol...
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post Oct 15 2011, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(low yat 82 @ Oct 14 2011, 10:05 PM)
for some people tighter means more harsher.. lol...
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It might be, that's why it is all about personal preference. Like me, first one installed it and I like it until now until I entered my new car at that moment, I don't like how my new car handle and the stiffness is not really there. Even though it is quieter and more comfort, but not feeling safe when driving fast.


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post Oct 27 2011, 05:29 PM

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Hallo All,

Just to give some update, Desmond from KL Auto did PM me a couple of weeks ago inviting to pay him a visit to see how my problem can be resolved.

But these recent months are sh*t busy months for me, and I will not be able to go to KL anytime soon in the near future.

I shall update to all if I really do go to KL Auto to correct the harshness.


Added on October 27, 2011, 5:35 pmQuote from Low Yat 82 -

"for some people tighter means more harsher.. lol... "



Well, it is true that different people have different set of preference in terms of the ride quality,...firmness,...suppleness,...spongy or mushy softness,...and so on...
Americans traditionally prefers spongy or mushy type of soft ride...
Europeans prefer firm ride quality,...that is how chassis foaming effect is so popularly been associated with Continental feel here..
European cars normally have firmer rides.

Having said all of the above,....I am very sure that if you give my car or any other car that suffered from harshness due to chassis foaming to a typical European driver,...or just give it to a road tester (say from Autocar or whatever),...they will call the ride quality harsh on most road surface,....despite the fact that these people love firm Continental ride quality.






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post Oct 27 2011, 10:44 PM

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Yeah, my definition of ride harshness is - you will feel a bit like riding a boat, there are more impact if driving on uneven roads, tyre sound louder (maybe just me), maybe interior sound louder from vibrating dashboard etc...so be vry careful when foaming, better to go for comfort, dont be greedy and demand maximum foaming - but the end result is more solid ride, can describe but u need to foam to be able to feel it, and cornering more assured, and the additional benefit is relative quieter road noise, the choice is yours
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post Oct 29 2011, 09:53 AM

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In everything there is always the pros and cons.........
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post Nov 5 2011, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(markblurberry @ Oct 27 2011, 10:44 PM)
Yeah, my definition of ride harshness is - you will feel a bit like riding a boat, there are more impact if driving on uneven roads, tyre sound louder (maybe just me), maybe interior sound louder from vibrating dashboard etc...so be vry careful when foaming, better to go for comfort, dont be greedy and demand maximum foaming - but the end result is more solid ride, can describe but u need to foam to be able to feel it, and cornering more assured, and the additional benefit is relative quieter road noise, the choice is yours
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Agreed. I would prefer "comfort" anytime.

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post Nov 9 2011, 11:08 AM

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for those of you who done autofoam with KL Auto, have you seen the foam itself in your car? I did on mine, and the damn foam is soft.. and its not rock hard like KL Auto's demo foam in the shop.

I feel cheated smile.gif cause what i was shown and what i got is vastly different. I didn't feel any different with my car, did the comfort package.
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QUOTE(Jason @ Nov 9 2011, 11:08 AM)
for those of you who done autofoam with KL Auto, have you seen the foam itself in your car? I did on mine, and the damn foam is soft.. and its not rock hard like KL Auto's demo foam in the shop.

I feel cheated smile.gif cause what i was shown and what i got is vastly different. I didn't feel any different with my car, did the comfort package.
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maybe the foam haven't cured yet?

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