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 Warning for iPhone service in Giant Connaught, Irresponsible store LYN: AppleSpecialist

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post Jun 18 2010, 11:41 AM

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First of all, I'm not exaggerating any of your unsatisfied service. I still remember the person's "don't care" attitude when I said the receipt is not with me and he'll just give you a not-my-business sort of face.

I'm not sure how much you improved your service but from my past experiences there's no way I'm gonna go back to you no matter how much discount you opt to provide.

Being in service industry your should know that attitude and courtesy is one of the most important ingredient in satisfying customers yet you failed to do so. From customer's perspective I can feel your arrogance because I'm just a customer that worth losing since you claimed that you have plenty of customers.

I've paid RM150 + LCD repairing fee to you guys and I'll treat that as a lesson of not buying local warranted phone and therefore ended up with so much problems.

Noted from another members point of view, putting Apple specialist WITHOUT any Apple's authorized repair service provider clarification is a good way to "manipulate" people to think you're "authorized". I'm sure shop like this can be sued since you're using Apple's trademark on your shop sign.

I also know that everyone just wanna earn a living and my intentions are not to jeopardize your business but provide the members here some insights to my problem for their future references. They helped me on a lot of troubleshooting and I'm always glad to contribute something to this forum.

@.M6

I understand what you're saying and let's touch wood too. But unfortunately iPhone warranty is not covered internationally like iPad.

You have to send back to where you bought it from for warranty and in my case it was SG. So I have to ENTRUST someone to claim it for me. Which of course ended pretty miserably. =)

This post has been edited by Moonflown: Jun 18 2010, 11:44 AM
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post Jun 18 2010, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(AppleSpecialist @ Jun 18 2010, 03:00 AM)
Thanks for everyone concern. We really do our best to serve everyone equally but sometime things out of control. I already forgot how this have been happen but we really try our best to solve it. If that really our side problem, we really apologize for the mistake if came from our side. If not mistaken we have provide huge discount for repairing your refurbish iphone.

We have improve a lot since last 2 years and we didn't just doing business, we provide services. Our business growing fastest not because we doing bad thing on customers iphone or try to be dishonest, but we treat every customers as sincere as possible. Sometime the process take time, water damage, dead iphone or even iphone can't charge we make it BACK ALIVE after months of works and our money spend on the repair process. Until today, we do our job very well from changing a touch screen or any iphone parts within a day to be in 30 mins.

We have many and many impressive and lovely customers supporting us, they believe in us that will do our best to help them, we use our heart to treat our customers, we never try to change customers boards or try to cons it, even though lowyat plaza, sg wang, digital mall, the mall,etc. continue doing cons work until today and a lot of customers turn on us after so many tragedies happen on them.

If we really didn't do the great job previously, please bear we are improving very fast and do it better now and future. If TS don't mind please received our apologize and pm us how is your iphone condition are now, we can do FREE OF CHARGE changing your iphone 3G battery if it weak now or can get special discount for other items from us. We sincere awaiting for your respond and let us now how we can help you. Thank you.

p.s we have stop help anyone to claim their iphone services since singtel never give a really working refurbish set, if they give a new set I think this kind of services won't needed. We don't waste our time on singtel or any providers, we improving our skills and techniques by solve the real problems for customers.
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what is the point of doing that after u disappointed ur customer and cheated them ? its impossible that u dun have any record for phone u received and sent for repair.. any SMALL business will keep a record for any transaction.. just my opinion.

its like buying a car, mechanic cheated and secretly change the car engine, and then found out by owner, mech offer free service.. lolz.. no point.
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post Jun 18 2010, 12:02 PM

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@Moonflown to let you feel like that. Luckily we able to help you change your screen (do it with cost price), at least we can make your iphone work again. But we really do our best to get the receipt for you unfortunately we don't have it on that time. Sorry we can't help you on this time but in future if you really need our repair services please let us know. Maybe we didn't really satisfy you with the claim services, but we are really did an awesome work on repairing your iphone on the spot and satisfy more than 2000's customers.

Really thank you for your reminder about this issue and we already make ourself better than other lowyat plaza or sg wang shop. Wish you guy can experience what MOST of the customers experience it.


Added on June 18, 2010, 12:42 pm@ciohbu, owner have checked their iphone and the RECEIPT provided by SINGTEL that we giving back to him, before he left, we have ask him to confirmed is that imei number and the receipt are matched. He say yes and happily left our shop. (OUR JOB IS DONE! Take the iphone claim it and past the claimed iphone back to customer.)

The next day he come back and claim the iphone touch screen is not functioning (this should happen when he check the phone, we suspect it drop before). We ask him please give us the receipt but he insist the receipt with us. This make us confuse and we definitely won't keep the owner receipt since that not belong to us.
After that we try our best to help and at last WE OFFER FREE OF CHARGE WORKMANSHIP and we only charge for the iphone touch screen cost.

WE CLAIM IPHONE FOR THE OWNER, RECEIVED IT WITH THE RECEIPT TOGETHER AND OWNER CHECK IT.

MILLIONS APOLOGIZE TO LET YOU FEEL WE DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU AND I WILL STOP HERE AND LET YOU GUYS JUDGE IT.

This wont stop us from be the BEST APPLE REPAIR SPECIALIST in Malaysia, we know we can do it and have a lot of customers from lowyat that recommended us, one of them is here: http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=34146669

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post Jun 18 2010, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(ciohbu @ Jun 18 2010, 11:52 AM)
what is the point of doing that after u disappointed ur customer and cheated them ? its impossible that u dun have any record for phone u received and sent for repair.. any SMALL business will keep a record for any transaction.. just my opinion.

its like buying a car, mechanic cheated and secretly change the car engine, and then found out by owner, mech offer free service.. lolz.. no point.
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I agree on your analogy. A disputed case will always stay that way, not gonna argue about the receipt because at first he admit that he didn't hand me the receipt and denied it after. Somehow I felt that what they said are contradicting to what they claimed. =)


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post Jun 18 2010, 01:45 PM

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one thing i dun understand. why is there only one copy of the receipt? shudnt the customer have one copy and you have another?

and still, you shouldnt promote your company as an Apple specialist. if you want, im pretty sure you can apply for a training program to get a certificate. im glad that at least we have a cheaper, faster (albeit understandably risky) solution for iphone owners in malaysia, but calling urself BEST APPLE REPAIR SPECIALST is too much. plus, dont u repair only iphones? if someone send u an xserve u know how?

e.g. you can self study an engineering course from books, have plenty of experience in the engineering field, but no matter how good you are, u still dont get to say u have a doctorate.

AppleSpecialist i dont doubt ur skills, n heck u may even be right n TS is wrong. but u may want to be more transparent in ur services, n keep records. it doesnt matter if a customer lose a receipt, u shud have a copy.
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post Jun 18 2010, 02:10 PM

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I'll be really simple and clear. If TS disagrees, let him prove it.

AppleSpecialist is a self-taught expert, and we have many many entrepreneurs like this. I have good friends and colleagues like this too.
My friends however, do not claim to be Apple's partners / agents. They don't use the logo / branding to advertise their service.
So their clients are always aware that they are dealing with a third party.

My suggestion to AppleSpecialist is similar to dvlzplayground.
1. Take this as a learning experience, make sure you explain everything to your customers and only then they agree to your service.
2. Keep detailed and extensive records, 2 copies minimum of everything Soft-copy (electronic) version is the minimum, better to have signed copies of service forms.
3. Find someone else to do your PR / marketing, cos you are taking a risk when using Apple's branding.
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post Jun 18 2010, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(xaw5126 @ Jun 18 2010, 02:10 PM)
I'll be really simple and clear. If TS disagrees, let him prove it.

AppleSpecialist is a self-taught expert, and we have many many entrepreneurs like this. I have good friends and colleagues like this too.
My friends however, do not claim to be Apple's partners / agents. They don't use the logo / branding to advertise their service.
So their clients are always aware that they are dealing with a third party.

My suggestion to AppleSpecialist is similar to dvlzplayground.
1. Take this as a learning experience, make sure you explain everything to your customers and only then they agree to your service.
2. Keep detailed and extensive records, 2 copies minimum of everything Soft-copy (electronic) version is the minimum, better to have signed copies of service forms.
3. Find someone else to do your PR / marketing, cos you are taking a risk when using Apple's branding.
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That's the point I'm leaving this thread here - as a reminder/guild-lines to members.

Regarding the IMEI number, I assume Singtel will update the IMEI number when they sell iPhones as well as when they replace a refurbished phone.

That's what they (AppleSpecialist) claimed at the beginning, they said that I don't need to provide them my original receipt since each phone are registered with Singtel.
But when I have problems with my refurbished phone they said Singtel apparently didn't update their IMEI so I can't replace my faulty refurbished phone (which is quite suspicious).

Nevertheless, I'll update this thread from time to time as a guide to seek service from unauthorized shops.
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post Jun 18 2010, 02:47 PM

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@dviz, the receipt is from singtel and not printed by us, that's why we never keep one since that HELP customers who living in Malaysia and get a runner to hand carry bring it to singapore and claimed from singtel.

When have issue a receipt that we charge for the service, and we giving back the singtel receipt to our customer.

TS said we are not responsible, I think is not our services problem,

@ The Apple Logo we have put a words "repair" and we never affiliate with apple company, since we mostly doing repair and we really doing well at the moment.

They are many shops putting this logos but delivery worst that us, changing the boards or changing all the parts and till today we still do it transparently and in future will be so.

If you guys wanna know the so called certified apple technician can repair the iphone or ipod ask them to open on the spot, we bet 9 out of 10 won't do it for you.

Even mudah.my director come to us to replace his iphone touch screen and we done it less than 1 hour. They are so many so called professional but can they deliver what we delivery to each of our customers?

We really do our best to improve our services and this kind of problem will not happen again. Thanks for TS to point this out, we are responsible for what we did so far. Even your receipt is lost we do the service for free. If you don't like us we are sorry for let you feel that, but if you said we are irresponsible, should be others word for it. Thank you again to point us what you feel, we will improve this and working hard to make sure everyone have pleasure with our services. Thank you.

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QUOTE(Moonflown @ Jun 18 2010, 02:23 PM)
That's the point I'm leaving this thread here - as a reminder/guild-lines to members.

Regarding the IMEI number, I assume Singtel will update the IMEI number when they sell iPhones as well as when they replace a refurbished phone.

That's what they (AppleSpecialist) claimed at the beginning, they said that I don't need to provide them my original receipt since each phone are registered with Singtel.
But when I have problems with my refurbished phone they said Singtel apparently didn't update their IMEI so I can't replace my faulty refurbished phone (which is quite suspicious).

Nevertheless, I'll update this thread from time to time as a guide to seek service from unauthorized shops.
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There are always 2 sides to a coin.

But the above bolded statement in itself tells who is apparently the culprit in this episode. There are lots more I can add to this saga like what can be done by either sides after the problem started and what should be done to pacify all parties concerned and what not but it will do nothing but to fuel this duel, so I won't but just hope both service providers and customers be alert and know what is the right thing to do under all circumstances.
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post Jun 18 2010, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(AppleSpecialist @ Jun 18 2010, 02:47 PM)
@dviz, the receipt is from singtel and not printed by us, that's why we never keep one since that HELP customers who living in Malaysia and get a runner to hand carry bring it to singapore and claimed from singtel.

When have issue a receipt that we charge for the service, and we giving back the singtel receipt to our customer.

TS said we are not responsible, I think is not our services problem,

@ The Apple Logo we have put a words "repair" and we never affiliate with apple company, since we mostly doing repair and we really doing well at the moment.

They are many shops putting this logos but delivery worst that us, changing the boards or changing all the parts and till today we still do it transparently and in future will be so.

If you guys wanna know the so called certified apple technician can repair the iphone or ipod ask them to open on the spot, we bet 9 out of 10 won't do it for you.

Even mudah.my director come to us to replace his iphone touch screen and we done it less than 1 hour. They are so many so called professional but can they deliver what we delivery to each of our customers?

We really do our best to improve our services and this kind of problem will not happen again. Thanks for TS to point this out, we are responsible for what we did so far. Even your receipt is lost we do the service for free. If you don't like us we are sorry for let you feel that, but if you said we are irresponsible, should be others word for it. Thank you again to point us what you feel, we will improve this and working hard to make sure everyone have pleasure with our services. Thank you.
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You cannot use McDonald trademarks and put noodles under it and claim it as legal since it will lead people to think it's McDonald Noodles, understand what I mean?

And please don't criticize apple certified technician service because their repairs will not void the hardware warranty but yours will. If not I guess 9 out of 10 of them must've wasted their training since you're service are far more superior than any of them.

And I do hope you stop emphasizing how many customers, big shots you served with your service. That's not the point here of showing you your "proud" service. If you were that good I'm sure there's already people who might showed some gratitude of your services here.

A business is a business, you can't tell an unsatisfied customer that you SHOULD BE satisfied because we served over 2000 satisfied customers.

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post Jun 18 2010, 05:13 PM

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AppleSpecialist said "FYI you cannot trademark Apple"

Please understand what is trademark. The Apple Icon you using is an Apple trademark.

It is listed here: http://www.apple.com/legal/trademark/appletmlist.html

I do not know why moderators moved this to dispute. This thread is serving as a guide for iPhone forum and no longer a dispute case since I'm not requesting for any product or service refund.

This post has been edited by Moonflown: Jun 18 2010, 07:49 PM
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QUOTE(Moonflown @ Jun 18 2010, 03:37 PM)
You cannot use McDonald trademarks and put noodles under it and claim it as legal since it will lead people to think it's McDonald Noodles, understand what I mean?

And please don't criticize apple certified technician service because their repairs will not void the hardware warranty but yours will. If not I guess 9 out of 10 of them must've wasted their training since you're service are far more superior than any of them.

And I do hope you stop emphasizing how many customers, big shots you served with your service. That's not the point here of showing you your "proud" service. If you were that good I'm sure there's already people who might showed some gratitude of your services here.

A business is a business, you can't tell an unsatisfied customer that you SHOULD BE satisfied because we served over 2000 satisfied customers.
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+1. I'm kindly don get y he trying to state all his confidential customers. i felt sry to u for this incident


Added on June 18, 2010, 7:38 pmiphone user jus aware wif this thread and applespecialist. i jus kinda hate their kind of business operation according to ts

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QUOTE(Moonflown @ Jun 18 2010, 03:37 PM)
You cannot use McDonald trademarks and put noodles under it and claim it as legal since it will lead people to think it's McDonald Noodles, understand what I mean?

And please don't criticize apple certified technician service because their repairs will not void the hardware warranty but yours will. If not I guess 9 out of 10 of them must've wasted their training since you're service are far more superior than any of them.

And I do hope you stop emphasizing how many customers, big shots you served with your service. That's not the point here of showing you your "proud" service. If you were that good I'm sure there's already people who might showed some gratitude of your services here.

A business is a business, you can't tell an unsatisfied customer that you SHOULD BE satisfied because we served over 2000 satisfied customers.
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too bad you had this experience with this shop. They must be exposed for the benefit of others. Winners Mobile in Mines Shopping Fair is pretty good. Used their services recently.


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i suggest that u report this matter to 'Persatuan Pengguna Malaysia'.

Im try to help. biggrin.gif
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post Jun 20 2010, 01:17 PM

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I'll be keeping my comments to myself from now.

however if I hear another travesty like "FYI you cannot trademark Apple", I'll won't hesitate to contact the law firm which is representing apple here (yes I know precisely which one
as I have interned in a law firm before)
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QUOTE(nokia2003 @ Jun 20 2010, 01:17 PM)
I'll be keeping my comments to myself from now.

however if I hear another travesty like "FYI you cannot trademark Apple", I'll won't hesitate to contact the law firm which is representing apple here (yes I know precisely which one
as I have interned in a law firm before)
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THIS SHOP SHOULD BE CLOSED DOWN FOR

1. COPYRIGHT infringement
2. Fraud.
3. Misrepresentation.

3 counts and you're out Buddy. Why on earth are people still going to this place?? If we are in the US, they will already be booked in court.
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post Jun 20 2010, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(nokia2003 @ Jun 20 2010, 01:17 PM)
I'll be keeping my comments to myself from now.

however if I hear another travesty like "FYI you cannot trademark Apple", I'll won't hesitate to contact the law firm which is representing apple here (yes I know precisely which one
as I have interned in a law firm before)
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They actually deleted that reply after I explained to them what is trademark. You guys can see that there's some "denying-mistake" characteristics bounded into the shops mentality.

Whenever there's a noticeable problem that will potentially affect their business they will just try to avoid it irresponsibly (such as deleting reply or change topic).

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THIS SHOP SHOULD BE CLOSED DOWN FOR

1. COPYRIGHT infringement
2. Fraud.
3. Misrepresentation.

3 counts and you're out Buddy. Why on earth are people still going to this place?? If we are in the US, they will already be booked in court.


Yea unfortunately Malaysia is far weaker in terms of intellectual property rights as well as copyright issues compared to US. The biggest problem is still misrepresenting themselves to potential victims of misunderstanding them as authorized store.

Will try to keep this alive to warn fellow members here. Thanks for everyone's input.

This post has been edited by Moonflown: Jun 20 2010, 02:59 PM
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feel sad for ts.. however this kind of shop should be close down or should be aware of it.. since service is so poor i think no one will willing to go anymore..

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