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jananan
post Jun 28 2010, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Jun 28 2010, 02:30 PM)
golla pouch is a universal type of pouch it can fit many different type of phone.  Problem its a pouch not casing. If u drop your phone it still goes onto the floor when casing at least have an extra layer of protection
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be very careful, dont drop it... touch wood...

all these cases adds extra bulk to the device.
i have been using golla case with my 5800xm for more than a year, i wont say its very hard to answer a call, esp if you are wearing the case on your belt. if you carry it in your pocket i have to admit its a bit hard to take out and answer a call.

now using the golla from the 5800xm but its a but too small for the n900.


Added on June 28, 2010, 2:51 pmPS : Golla bags have padding, it can survive minor drops. But don't try this at home...

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post Jun 28 2010, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(angelbratz @ Jun 28 2010, 03:16 PM)
@Eiraku

I dont really get what u mean....

The Silicone is attached to the case if what you are asking....It does not latch to the phone...its just a layer in between the phone and the case like a shock absorber...
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how does the silicon case look like ? not the same like the hard black plastic case ?
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post Jun 28 2010, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(akkihiko @ Jun 28 2010, 02:28 PM)
got one novacell outlet at Queensbay Mall, Penang

the price range is around RM 30 - 40 for handphone pouch

BTW this is the type of golla pouch that I've bought (mine not pink in color tongue.gif)

user posted image
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i am looking for this type, horizontal pouch.


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post Jun 28 2010, 04:00 PM

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Jun 28 2010, 03:53 PM)
How does it stay secure on the phone then? That's what I'm wondering... hmm.gif

Might just get an Ottercase and make a hole for the lanyard. But must make sure it's a tight fit first, because I abuse my electronics (hence the need for cases).

Which, incidentally, the N900 is pretty abuse friendly for the extremely smart phone it is.
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i am wondering about the same thing. does it come off easily ? and does it hinder the keyboard from sliding out smoothly ?

PS : of cos made in china... what do you expect ?
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post Jun 28 2010, 06:51 PM

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QUOTE(dexth @ Jun 28 2010, 05:12 PM)
Just got my new N900 AP @rm1550. Spent almost a day trying to get update through air and NSU without success, apparently the device preloaded with PR1.1 but cant find PR1.2. Finally used the manual way of flashing, luckily everything went well smile.gif Nokia definately have to improve this aspect, I have the same issue on upgrading my old N95 firmware.
So fas has been very impressed with this phone but battery is weak. only managed 11 hours with some wifi downaloding, surfing and playing around. It seem wifi sucked up a lot of bat, and also need to disable wifi power saving, else i keep getting no connection after like 1 min which is not practical.
One question if sifu can help me here. how do i setup yahoo mail? pre define yahoo plus doesnt work. hotmail work flawlessly.

thanks!
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nokia tablets never used NSU. its always been the manual flasher app. so u have to give nokia some time, its their first time too. trying to use one single NSU app to update 3 platforms, series 40, series 60, maemo (and probably working on symbian^3 and meego compatibility as well) is not an easy task at all.

even microsoft cannot pull off that, they cant even maintain ms office compatibility for the older OSes...
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post Jun 28 2010, 08:38 PM

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QUOTE(BRY7 @ Jun 28 2010, 08:32 PM)
anyone using privacy screen protector on their n900?
can give me a feedback of the responsive level compared to matte?
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my advice is dont use it. it will make ur screen darker, end up brighter setting for screen = batter life sux.


Added on June 28, 2010, 8:42 pmunless your battery like... anyway why privacy sp ?

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post Jun 28 2010, 09:12 PM

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QUOTE(BRY7 @ Jun 28 2010, 08:53 PM)
well i'm looking for any person out there who can give feedbacks on privacy for n900.
because i used privacy on my E72 previously.
true that clarity is abit compromising.
but it has the 45ยบ angle.
thats the good part  rclxms.gif
now using matte for n900.
thanks anyways  biggrin.gif


Added on June 28, 2010, 8:55 pm

haha.
true.
i just want the privacy when texting in public.
i'm using brightness level 2 now.
i think when put privacy edi, must put 4.
btw, whats the average batt life?
no internet connection.
just picking up some calls, and texting, and sometime some song..
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if no wifi and if u turn off 3g, a day or more. with level 1 or 2 brightness.

posting from microB with iphone user agent. haha... this is fun.


Added on June 28, 2010, 9:14 pmthe screen formatting and the font size just nice. fonts are a bit bold. nice to see.

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post Jun 28 2010, 09:20 PM

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also install shortcutd and use proximity sensor to access dashboard, easier than using camera button to switch dashboard while keyboard open. hard to access camera button while keyboard open.


Added on June 28, 2010, 9:26 pmgroove works on mine.
got mplayer, km player, vlc and extra codecs installed


Added on June 28, 2010, 9:32 pmyou guys should really try using iphone user agent. clicking on links is easy cos its formatted for clumsy capacitive fingers

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QUOTE(jloi @ Jun 28 2010, 10:36 PM)
using PS emu? haha
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the last time i checked the ps emus all were crawling...
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post Jun 28 2010, 10:42 PM

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maybe meego will have better support for the omap gpu. then emus can run faster...

but i am scared meego more closed than maemo, i dont like intel having say in OSS community... they always have been windows fanboys (aka wintel)
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post Jun 28 2010, 11:04 PM

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QUOTE(angelbratz @ Jun 28 2010, 10:47 PM)
total file is 1.2 GB..

Each iso file is around 600-700+

its 3 CD...

Its not The PC Version...its the PS version itself...If PC version gonna be a bit laggy...


Added on June 28, 2010, 10:51 pmdamn.....the Grooveshark still crashing on me....when i choose to play....a Buffering bar appear...then it will just close....

Haizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.........................what other stuff am i missing....
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should be some codecs.... not dependency. cos dependency will get sorted out while installing. if the dependency not met it wont let u install.

have you installed mplayer ? many other 3rd party players use mplayer as the default. also install the ogg support. i dont have much things installed as i just formatted, just basic stuff and it works.
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post Jun 28 2010, 11:27 PM

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i think DiGi postpaid is sucking up my battery and screwing with me...

it doesn't switch to 2G, stays on 2.5G (Edge) with just 1-2 bar signal, even in my office 1-2 bars only if i put on my desk or in my desk drawer (1 bar only)...

if dont have good 2.5G coverage dont turn it on la... screw with ppl reception... stupid DiGi. just leave it at 2G... good quality comes first than boasting rights... we have 2.5G everywhere... better than other telcos and other bullcrap...

when driving, if exceed 50-60 kmph, the conversation becomes stuttery... and disconnects every 10 minutes... (yeah, i do all my talking while driving, why waste my time...)

i put my DiGi card in a B&W nokia, 1110 or something, it only has 2G. full bars and clear reception, even while driving really clear.

i put a hotlink card in my n900, 2G comes up, no sign of 2.5G, and first time i am seeing full bars in my n900. never seen/knew it had so many bars... hehe...

i am gonna leave it that way, see if using just 2G with excellent signal improves battery life...

if i am correct, then i am gonna do that MNP thingy and switch my tel# from digi telco to maxis, retaining the number of course.


Added on June 28, 2010, 11:28 pm
QUOTE(angelbratz @ Jun 28 2010, 11:07 PM)
or maybe i installed too many things???

yeah....maybe not because of dependency...or maybe the codec or stuff is being used by others?

I iz rage!!!ย  T.T"


Added on June 28, 2010, 11:09 pmdo you have canola installed?


Added on June 28, 2010, 11:12 pmi think ill uninstall all the player 1st and start from there... >.<"

1 question...

Does by "Not Updating" the Apps makes an issue? Codec etc etc.
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yeah, u should update whenever it prompts u. also once in a while, in the app manager, click the update button, it will take a long time... but give u a list of updated stuff. just hit "Update All"


Added on June 28, 2010, 11:36 pmthats it... i have decided.

i am getting an iphone... just look at how powderful it is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdNg1nDiIZs...player_embedded

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post Jun 29 2010, 12:12 AM

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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Jun 28 2010, 11:39 PM)
confirm your digi problem.

I use hotlink on my Nokia n900 no such problem most places signal full bar with 2.5G when i switch to dual mode automatic will use 3.5G when connect to the internet.

I hate digi always call ppl the line like crap not clear keep cutting , low signal especially out skirt.

I have all  3 networks including celcom too. Celcom coverage better but line not so stable too.
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problem is, in penang 2.5G gets 1-2 bars. but the network selection thing selects 2.5G instead of 2G

for maxis in penang, if no 3G it goes to 2G right away.

digi has 2G, because if use very old phone it defaults to 2G.

but when using smartphones, and even if u select GSM only, it selects 2.5G even though the signal is bad, while it wont select 2G which has excellent signal.

just spoke to digi customer service, they said disable 3G from their side will disable 2.5G

according to them, no way to enable 2G and 3G without enabling 2.5G.

i find this very funny, because maxis postpaid and prepaid hotlink can do it.

on maxis/hotlink GSM = 2G only, Dual/Auto = 2G/2.5G/3G and UMTS = 3G only. thats how it should be.

digi is screwy.

i should be ranting on the telco thread anyway... hehe...
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QUOTE(wcshin @ Jun 29 2010, 12:07 AM)
lets say my n900 is totally dried up.
how long will it takes to fully charge it wit xp2000?
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i did an experiment a while ago.

using a y-usb cable, that has 1 usb data + power and 1 power only cable.

so the other end of the y cable - 1000mw

it does supply 1000mw, as some ext hdd that does not work with 1 usb cable does work smoothly.

i bought a dual sided female usb connector. or its called a male to female usb converter.

and plugged in the micro-usb cable, and charged the n900.

nokia original charger, wall charger that is = supplies 1200mw

so with 1000mw it should not take much longer.

WRONG - n900 cuts down intake to 500mw only once it detects its not a nokia charger, and just a usb cable.

using external power packs of even 10,000mah does not charger the n900 any faster than any standard usb port, because it only allows 500mw from a usb port

unless the external power pack has special circuitry that allows the n900 to recognize it as a nokia charger or a charging device and not a standard usb port.

i did test both ends of the usb y-cable using a china mp3 device, it does receive power individually from both the usb head. so cable is working fine.

i also tested with 2 types of y-cable bought from different shops. also tried with 2 male-to-female usb converters. and i also tried with another friends y-usb cable.

i tested with various battery monitoring tools, the combined power y-usb cable is detected as 500mw usb, and charging rate is 500mw as well.

the time it takes to charge is same as you would get from a standard usb cable.

no external power pack is going to charge the n900 in under 1 to 1.5 hours. it would takes ages to fully charge a dead n900.


Added on June 29, 2010, 12:26 am
QUOTE(acat @ Jun 29 2010, 12:20 AM)
very weird. in my case, enabling 2G (GSM) in 3G area will give me 2.5G, while enabling 3G will give me 3.5G in same area respectively. if i enable 3G in non-3G area, there will be no bar at all until i enable 2G. no jumping from 3G to 2G right away if there is no 3G line hmm.gif
btw, im using maxis thoughย  biggrin.gif
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in penang, enabling 2G in 3G area gives 2G only. it doesnt go to 2.5G at all.

only DiGi does that, it goes to 2.5G, which i dont want it to...

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post Jun 29 2010, 12:46 AM

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digi customer service lied. they said if disable 3G then will disable 2.5G as well...

now i dont have 3G, but its still 2.5G...

i think MNP is the only way...


Added on June 29, 2010, 12:55 am
QUOTE(Andy214 @ Jun 29 2010, 12:45 AM)
The detection is by the pins, perhaps can mod the pins. I remember reading someone modify the pins somewhere to make their own usb charger.

http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB

USB battery charger
The bq24150 charger from TI is a flexible charger. It, along with the PHY chip - support charging without the intervention of the SoC when the system is charging from a completely dead battery. The PHY chip detects a charger (shorted D+ and D- pins) and the charger uses this information to charge more rapidly.
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need to perform surgery on my usb cable then... if it does support, i might buy another cable, get another converter... and charge using 3 usb ports = 1500mw... the n900 uses about 200mw while operating... so its about 1300mw going to the battery... the ori charger 1200mw... should be ok i guess...

but 3 usb cables is a mess to carry around... might as well buy and carry another charger... haha


Added on June 29, 2010, 1:30 amcheck this out...

http://www.youtube.com/xl

on your n900 of course...

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post Jun 29 2010, 07:13 AM

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QUOTE(wcshin @ Jun 29 2010, 01:52 AM)
QUOTE(jananan @ Jun 29 2010, 12:22 AM)

i did an experiment a while ago.

using a y-usb cable, that has 1 usb data + power and 1 power only cable.

so the other end of the y cable - 1000mw

it does supply 1000mw, as some ext hdd that does not work with 1 usb cable does work smoothly.

i bought a dual sided female usb connector. or its called a male to female usb converter.

and plugged in the micro-usb cable, and charged the n900.

nokia original charger, wall charger that is = supplies 1200mw

so with 1000mw it should not take much longer.

WRONG - n900 cuts down intake to 500mw only once it detects its not a nokia charger, and just a usb cable.

using external power packs of even 10,000mah does not charger the n900 any faster than any standard usb port, because it only allows 500mw from a usb port

unless the external power pack has special circuitry that allows the n900 to recognize it as a nokia charger or a charging device and not a standard usb port.

i did test both ends of the usb y-cable using a china mp3 device, it does receive power individually from both the usb head. so cable is working fine.

i also tested with 2 types of y-cable bought from different shops. also tried with 2 male-to-female usb converters. and i also tried with another friends y-usb cable.

i tested with various battery monitoring tools, the combined power y-usb cable is detected as 500mw usb, and charging rate is 500mw as well.

the time it takes to charge is same as you would get from a standard usb cable.

no external power pack is going to charge the n900 in under 1 to 1.5 hours. it would takes ages to fully charge a dead n900.
thank u very much...
appreciate ur detailed info.
so how could i actually benefit fr having a external power pack?
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like Andy214 said, you might need to short the usb pins D+ and D- responsible for the data, pin 2 & 3 that is, the two in the middle. according the articles on the internet, the n900 would detect it as a charger and take advantage of the external power pack if it can supply more than 500mw.

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Jun 29 2010, 09:14 AM)
Lol. Even if I have a 10000mah power pack, that does not change the the fact that most battery packs ONLY supply 500ma/5v through the USB port anyway, as per the specs outlined by the USB consortium.

As for the rest, it's a bit tl:dr (and I might be wrong about this) but here goes...

The mah does not determine charging speed, it's just an estimation of capacity at a given output IINM, which for most battery packs is 5v.

I'm gonna talk in MA now, and IINM, 1ma = miliampere so please convert accordingly.

Okay, how fast DOES the external battery pack charge an N900. From a full dead battery --> full battery (assuming the N900 is turned off), it should take 2-4 hours IINM. But that doesn't really matter, because the MAIN use of the battery pack in my usage scenario is to EXTEND N900 use time, which it does pretty well.

Okay the battery pack 2000mah, with simple calculations that should give the N900 2x the battery life. In practical use, power is also lost through the USB connection (it's not terribly efficient) in the form of heat and such, and that takes some of the power away.

Also, we must take into account how much power the N900 eats up and how much the battery pack can supply (which in this case is 500ma/5v). I'm assuming the N900 uses less then 500ma per hour (and looking at the battery and run time I'd estimate it to be in the vacinity of 200-350ma under full 3G load. 4 hours and 1300mah = 1300/4 = 325ma per hour).

That means that the battery pack is topping off an excess 100-200ma per hour (500ma supplied, +-300ma being used) and this extra power goes to charge the N900 internal battery. Also, the USB battery pack has limited capacity, thus under full load with the internal battery al 40%, the N900 will most likely drain the pack long BEFORE it can charge the N900 battery to full.  

Take into consideration the AC charger supplies 1000ma/5v, that's an extra 600 frigging ma over worst case scenario use (300ma), which is why the AC charger charges the N900's internal battery so quickly. The car charger is also 500ma/5v but it's backed by your car engine = unlimited supply; in other words it's slow but will top up the N900 battery to full given enough time.

Thus charging up the N900 battery with a USB battery pack while under heavy load will be extremely slow, but it DOES extend running time of the device by quite a while, although less then the raw capacity would lead you to believe.

If you want it to charge faster, find a 1000ma/5v usb battery pack (google for Axim compatible USB battery pack) or a iPad compatible battery pack.

AND DON'T FORGET a dumb charger wire with the data pins shorted out (otherwise you're getting no more then 100ma, IF you get any power at all to begin with).

Or sometthing. My electro-speak is rusty lol.
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don't forget reverse current. the external battery wont be able to discharge its entire contents. the n900 will push back once the capacity on both batteries becomes somewhat equal. so if had like 2000mah external battery, it will still have some power left, wont completely discharge.

the lesson here, dont always believe marketing specs. 2000mah might only just be 1500mah usable capacity.

anyway, when you charge from a computer. esp if the n900 is switched off, make sure in the computer settings in device manager > usb root hub > power management - disable the computer from turning off the usb port to save power. it will ensure continuous charge, or it will try to go to power save and turn off the usb port cos there is no data transfer while charging the phone when its turned off. the computer will see this as usb port inactivity and suspend it.


Added on June 29, 2010, 12:46 pm
QUOTE(Eiraku @ Jun 29 2010, 09:40 AM)
Using 3G it will charge, but much slower due to increased consumption (read above). IINM consumption governs how fast you can charge, and the N900 (unlike the Axim and iPad) doesn't eat more then 500 ma at any given time (the Axim eats like what, 900ma?).

Again a larger mAh (or mah, or MAH) only lasts longer. It does not necessarily charge faster (unless it specifically outputs 1000ma/5v).

I do 3/3.5G while charging through the battery pack all the time. It just doesn't charge the internal battery that fast.

Which reminds me, does the DC-11 provide 500ma/5v output? I can't seem to find any data on that. Some battery packs are known to ONLY provide 250ma/5v = even slower charging (and in the case of the N900, no charging at all at full 3G load), and the DC-11 is well known to have charging problems with the N900 to begin with.

Also there's the problem of reverse trickle. Like water in osmosis, battery power moves from higher cap to lower cap, and that becomes a problem when the external battery pack is a extremely low power levels. For instance ext. batt pack at 10% and int. batt pack at 80%.

With modern power circuits, no reverse trickle happens (it's blocked), but the external battery pack no longer charges your phone.

And yeah, mplayer is not DSP friendly. VLC IS IINM. thumbup.gif
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vlc will suck your battery dry if you pause it while playing. always stop your videos.

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iPhone 4 - This changes everything. I want to get one ASAP.

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Jun 29 2010, 12:59 PM)
That's a different issue, it's the N900 outputting power to an external device. What we're talking about is the other way around - an external power source providing power to the N900, which actually might help with the USB issue as well.

An external power pack can help provide the power needed for devices that need more power then the N900's port is able to provide.
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that would require a usb hub, correct me if i am mistaken ?
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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Jun 29 2010, 03:15 PM)
it doesnt changes anything at all. it still doesnt support flash and its a fanboy phone
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see the advertisement attached. see what it says.


Added on June 29, 2010, 3:55 pm
QUOTE(angelbratz @ Jun 29 2010, 03:37 PM)
I iz finally found whats causing the dam Groove to crash...

The fonts....Change to other type and it works like a charm...

Anyway...how much is the USB-Micro USB cable cost?

Need a spare 1...
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i use back original font. other fonts look funny in some apps...

just edit gtkrc and increase all font definition & new fonts for maemo by 1 point. especially the small fonts. it looks better...

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