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 V3. Swiftlet Keeping Discussion, Home of Fuciphagus Domesticus

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post Jun 15 2010, 12:30 PM

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Hi Dunsun,
Welcome back from the dead.
You played the part of the Indonesian worker and ended up visiting Indonesia.
Dont slip into the part of the Blangadeshi labourer else it will take you longer to return.

BTW, there's a Petition on under my signature (visible if you are logged on).
Please read and sign, thks.
Also would be good if this was brought up to the attention of some of your new contacts.
I have written to some Bumi bloggers and 1 of them has placed it on his blog.

News for all,
4 MPs responded to my email and 1 of them (from Sabah) has promised to speak up for our cause in Parliament.
I was told that due to the release of the 10MP, the new Wildlife Conservation Bill will probably be debated in July.
(Dunsun, APHL76 will be repealed with this new Act)
But then, no one will know the pace in Parliament, if not mistaken, the Bill is 2nd or 3rd on the list for 2nd & 3rd reading.
As such do not procastinate, do what can be done now, thanks.

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post Jun 15 2010, 08:02 PM

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QUOTE(ChanK @ Jun 15 2010, 05:38 PM)
We need to do more to inform others to fight this war :

Though might not agree by some but still this is the reality : we need helps from these two organisations :

1) 马来西亚中华工商联合会 (The Associated Chinese Chambers of Commerce and Industry of Malaysia )

2) 隆雪华堂
  (http://klscah.org.my/)

our bird's nest association is just too young and inexperienced, they need extra helps from these two established organisations to help them to bring this up to the TOP POLITICIANS.
help!.
also, we need our bumi friends here to highlight it to their organisations too.
my advice to Selangor Bird's Nest Association :

- Make copies of the news clip and attached with a membership form and send it out /distribute it to all swiftlet farms in selangor to highlight the seriousness of this matter to them. we cannot rely on newspaper (many will miss out on the news).

thts the only way to pull in more members...

any volunteers to help out?
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If the association has them printed out.
I will take a stack of them.
I will help knock on BHs doors to distribute or leave it at the gate of BH like sales phamplets.
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post Jun 21 2010, 06:11 PM

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This scanned piece of Sabah news was received on email.
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Is this the shape of things to come for the rest of the states?
Sabah is the 1st mover on banning swiftlet farming from town.

After the ban, they have the cheek to present this new guideline as an appeasement.
Looks to me like adding salt to the wound.


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post Jun 24 2010, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(CWG @ Jun 24 2010, 10:08 AM)
I checked before, Melaka Swiftlet Association entrance fee is RM3000. To me, that is expensive.
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Makes one wonder if this is some kind of elite private club or a trade association doesn't it?
Fools....., wait till 1GP is published and the PBTs implement their licensing regime and they start thinking abt the fee to charge.

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post Jun 28 2010, 07:28 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Jun 28 2010, 06:39 PM)
Tomorrow, there will be a dialog on export of EBN with the Veterinary Department if my info is right. I won't be going as I have other early commitment with my lawyer.

Time is 2.30pm and place @ Wisma Tani, Putrajaya......details, I don't know but will try to find more about it from friend attending it later. Hope that they will make it more easier to export EBN.
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Who called for the meeting?
Was this meeting by invitation or selected folks only?
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post Jun 30 2010, 06:08 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Jun 29 2010, 07:05 PM)
Anyway, I just open my email now and they must have finished their meeting. I will try to get some news on the matter if you are interested to know.
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Unc WW, yes I would, thank you.

Congrats, on your purchase.
Now you get to implement your ultimate standalone design that you have been toying with.


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post Jul 5 2010, 08:23 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Jul 4 2010, 02:30 PM)
Oyes, Got  info from a friend. The GP bill is or waiting to be tabled in the Parliament. Check it out!!!!!
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Unc WW,
I thk u mean
Wildlife Conservation Bill 2010 is to be tabled in Parliament.
This will REPLACE the Protection of Wildlife Act 1976.
Issues with the Wildlife Conservation Bill 2010 already discussed and pertinent points in the Petition & sent to around 200 MPs.

This is different from the 1GP which will not be discussed in Parliament as it does not pertain to making/amending laws.
1GP will only be discussed within the Cabinet as such our MPs will not be able to scrutinise it.

In response to your earlier lament of too few respondents to the EBN export dialog....
Upon your info, I had googled for news of the dialog on the net there was none.
I checked DVS site and their calendar, there was nothing on their site.
If they had done a proper job of publicity, I would have happily added to the number.
As of now, I dont know how their invite was handled.

As to your comments of dialog contents that DVS and no other depts are to call the shots on EBN....
Well...it's debatable i'snt it? They have the Cabinet backing but doesnt use the cabinet support appropriately.
Like I have said repeatedly, they have deviated from the PM's (or the 2010 Budget objective).
They shd have realised they shd set the policy right in accordance with the proper objective and evrything else will follow suit....
DVS is not assuming their lead agency role properly.

My query to the good Dr in DVS remain unaswered till today. Only the initial holding reply was quick.
Even simple thing like a query remain unanswered after a month.
Probably in their KPI, a response to a query is the same as answering a query..... doh.gif

But then again...I am talking abt a govt dept am I not?
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post Jul 13 2010, 10:24 PM

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Sad...but the Wildlife Bill has been approved by Parliament.
Debated only by the lone MP who agreed to raise matters on our behalf.
Since the Parliament Hansard (minutes) will probably be ready tomorrow, we will then see what was said in her speech.
My guess it's passed w/o amendments.

:: Approved
D.R.15/2010 Road Transport (Amendment) Bill 2010
D.R.18/2010 Hire-Purchase (Amendment) Bill 2010
D.R.22/2010 Anti-Trafficking in Persons (Amendment) Bill 2010
D.R.37/2009 Goods and Services Tax Bill 2009
D.R.16/2010 Wildlive Conservation Bill 2010-DR
D.R.19/2010 Consumer Protection (Amendment) Bill 2010-DR
D.R.20/2010 Judicial Appointments Commission (Amendment) Bill 2010-DR
D.R.21/2010 Subordinate Courts (Amendment) Bill 2010-DR
D.R.13/2010 Direct Sales (Amendment) Bill 2010-DR
D.R.14/2010 Stamp (Amendment) Bill 2010-DR

Though unforseen then, as WW reported, we will not be alone in feeling the impact of licensing for purchase and sale..
Your neighbourhood Chinese medicine hall will soon feel the heat too.
What next? restaurants?

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post Jul 14 2010, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(ChanK @ Jul 13 2010, 09:56 PM)
15) THAT DVS HAS COME OUT WITH ONE METHOD WHEREBY THEY CAN MONITOR WHAT KEEPERS ARE DOING IN THEIR FARMS...IF THE KEEPERS DARE TO THROW EGGS AND HARVEST THE NESTS...THEY WILL KNOW!!!....USING THE RFID TECHNOLOGY.
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Until and unless DVs intend to implement some of the nonsense in the GAHP ....abt tagging every bird, egg, chicks and nest.
This is utter stupidity. RFID technology, she knows not.
It's best she talks abt things she know about and not going off and sounding strange.

Please invite me when you start tagging your birds.
Get yourself a RFID reader and see if your birds are in your neighbour's house and your neighbour's in yours.
Since all are tagging their birds and traumatising their birds, they may just fly to mine cos' I will not be silly enuff to adhere to stupid guidelines.


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QUOTE(dragon's nest @ Jul 14 2010, 09:35 AM)
Thank you very much, tuckfook and west wing for your answers.
I want to report the result. My birdhouse has window-type entrance with metal spikes installed and I've installed the mercurial vapor floodlight yesterday and the result is : failure. The spikes can prevent only pigeons. The owl did NOT have to perch on anything, it just glided through the entrance, into the roving room, then to the nesting room, tried to grab the birds from their nests, scared them and chased them to the roving room and caught them there and, out , it went. So, the myths about perching before entering, the fear of bright light, the formidable electric zapper are just myths. Also, it did not fly low. It can go to the ceiling for the birds in their nests. So, now our options are fishing nest on the entrance after it went in (in this case our own birds are also at risk, and we have to be careful not to fall down too), or the automatic gate. Does anybody have other methods? Thank you.
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If owls attack only at night, then drape the mist net over the entrance at night.
Dun wait until it has gone in, prevent it from getting in.
You can get fish jaring from fishing tackle shops for abt RM15 each of maybe 10m length.
Remove any anchor weights if the jaring comes with them.
Anchor 1 end of it from the roof and let it drop on it's own weight over the entrance else it will not collapse upon owl impact.
Cut it to app length , dun thik u will need the whole 10m.
Use 2 sticks to anchor it from the roof so it will be away from the entrance to prevent getting caught on anything that will prevent collapse
The holes comes in inches so you need to ask for the appropriate size, IMO 4in is a good overall size unless your owl is turkey size, the go for 6in.
They are very fine, even bats can't detect them.
Manually drop it to the ground upon catching owl.
I would thk your birds dun fly out at night to have a good time in town, so shd be bird safe. biggrin.gif
For safety, get yourself a safety harness from any hardware store, cost less then RM100 for an elaborate set.
Get a good strong rope (also less than RM100) to anchor the harness. If you do slip and hanging by your rope and harness, how?
Make sure you dun drop yr hp when hanging over your BH wall biggrin.gif Maybe a helmet so you dun bang yrself silly?
If you are fit, you can rig the rope to rappell down the sides (that I dun know, may someone else can help with the rope catches for rappelling)
Good luck.

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post Jul 14 2010, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(htc @ Jul 14 2010, 12:00 PM)
some of my views/ notes from the Seminar Pembiayaan Burung Walit can be found at http://htatt.com
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htc, thanks.
haven't drop in on your blog for a while.
You have added on some very useful info.
Way to go.
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post Jul 14 2010, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Jul 14 2010, 12:42 PM)
Just went to the JV or local DVS and the officer there didn't have any information on what to do yet but promised to inform us if any news on the matter. He told us that the DVS is going to your BHs and mark it in GPS so that DVS could trace your BHs with satellite. As for export, DVS is incharge but the new procedure isn't out yet

That's what he told me and I really don't know if he knows.
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To quote the Malay Mail report by the Minister
"The DVS will provide each swiftlet farm with a Radio Frequency Indentification (RFID) to assist in identifying the location of the farms which are required to be far from residential areas."
LOL,
I was wondering how they manage to jump from RFID to GPS!!!!
Now it's clearer. They will go visit your farm and take the GPS coordinates.
And how are they to decide if that particular location is far enough from residential dwellings?
Even JUPEM (Jabatan Ukur) doesnt have ready to use s'ware to identify that right away.
I hope they are not thinking of using Google Earth for the purpose.
1)GoogleEarth satellite shots are a few years old.
2)Also a lot of shots are 10-200 meters out of the real coordinates.

Try it out yourself.
Find a location near you in Google Earth under high resolution.
Go there physically and take the GPS cood.
Then enter the cood into Google Earth...you will find that you are tens to hundreds of metres OFF.
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post Jul 14 2010, 08:40 PM

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QUOTE(tuckfook @ Jul 14 2010, 02:03 PM)
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I believe these JUPEM CDs contain static maps and will require special s'ware to enable and expertise to interactively reference them with dynamic cood like BH locations. I hope they do not create a booboo over this.

I am still baffled over the RFIDs though. Do they really intend us to tag every item in the BHs? If not how else can they identify the source?
As advised by the good Dr in her presentation, they have the means to track all sources of BH items thru RFIDs, eggs and all.
This is so ridiculous.
1)Who is to issue the labels of differing quantities?
2)Or do they expect each of us to buy a encoder too?
3)if not are we to prepay for a fixed amt of tags each time if issued by DVS?
4)How are they to ensure all are tagged, will they come around with a reader?
It's common practice to leave the BHs alone and DVs wants us to manhandle everything?
This will make BHs keeping a very time consuming affair doesn't it?
If true it's downright madness.
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post Jul 15 2010, 01:23 AM

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I dont know what to make of this statement in Parliament.
"Mengenai sarang burung, perkara ini saya fikir jelas bahawa pungutan
sarang burung ini adalah sarang burung di hutan, di gua, ini memerlukan lesen kerana
dengan cara ada lesen, kita dapat mengawal kerana ini adalah isu konservasi kerana
harga sarang burung walit ini adalah tinggi. Jadi kalau tidak dikawal nanti kita akan
menghadapi masalah dari segi cara dan sebagainya dan ia akan pupus. Seperti saya
sebut awal tadi, rang undang-undang ini tidak mengawal penternakan ataupun industri
burung walit di bandar-bandar. Itu adalah di bawah Kementerian Pertanian dan Industri
Asas Tani dan sebagainya."

MPs Qs on sale to only licensed purchaser and the existing export tax were not answered directly.
Does the above statement apply to the unanswered Qs?
Hansard link below, for those who want to go thru the Qs and Ans on EBN in Parliament.
http://www.parlimen.gov.my/hindex/pdf/DR-13072010.pdf
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post Jul 15 2010, 01:14 PM

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QUOTE(arong @ Jul 15 2010, 09:57 AM)
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My usual cynical comments
    * Undang-undang dan peraturan serta garis panduan yang menyeluruh bagi pembangunan industri burung walit;
(We just have to wait for the full text of the 1GP to be available to assess if it will be 'pembangun' or 'pembantutan' don't we?)
    * Premis perladangan burung walit yang mapan dan mesra alam;
(Maybe a string of prescriptives??)
    * Pengeluaran produk sarang burung walit bebas penyakit haiwan;
(White overalls and gum boots as shared by the good Dr in her presentation, so we will get to conform to what impresses her in her oversea visits.
I would like to see some accountability here, if diseases ever hit the local flocks!!, will DVS reimburse us if we adhere to their guidelines??)

  * Pembangunan peluang pemasaran dan pengiktirafan standard sarang burung walit di persada dunia;
(So who get to set the std and collect a fee for the labels? This is just rent seeking)
    * Peningkatan kecekapan dalam penghasilan produk melalui penyelidikan dan pembangunan (R&D);
(We all have been idle and facing endless problems w/o govt assistance thus far? Another 100mil for R&D in the next budget?)
    * Mengadakan dana bagi perladangan dan pemprosesan sarang burung walit melibatkan penyertaan golongan miskin dan miskin tegar; dan
(So the industry is having to shoulder the burden of continuing to give to these sopposedly golongan miskin who have better cars parked in their porch than you & I?)
    * Pembangunan guna tenaga manusia yang mahir dan cekap dalam membangunkan industri sarang burung walit.
(So all of you old sifus were not mahir and cekap before the govt stepped in?)

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Sehingga kini 5 buah loji pengeluaran produk sarang burung walit untuk eksport telah mendapat pensijilan Veterinary Health Mark (VHM). Eksport sarang walit terus menunjukkan peningkatan dan pasaran eksport ke negara China telah meningkat dari 4,965 kg tahun 2006 kepada 51,763 kg pada tahun 2007. Singapura, Hong Kong, Indonesia dan Taiwan juga merupakan pengimport utama sarang burung walit dari negara ini. Kebanyakan eksport sarang burung walit adalah dalam bentuk mentah (raw unclean).
(As expected, 5 cleaning plants already pre-approved before the guidelines are made available!!! So anyone out here still have any doubts about the blackbox licensing regime?)
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post Jul 15 2010, 01:26 PM

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Events have with time render the Petition moot and links to it will be removed from my signature from now on.
For the record it stands at 154 signatures.
Thanks all.

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post Jul 21 2010, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(tuckfook @ Jul 18 2010, 10:03 PM)
All readers with BH in Georgetown.
Bring this to your assoc's notice for their action.

There is a concerted effort to continue to rid Gergetown of BHs.
Beware!!!!
This has been taken to a different level by the Georgetown anti swiftlet lobby.
A professional journalist/cybertrooper has been hired to discredit and bring doubts abt the industry there and to pressure the Penang state govt.
Such pros are available for hire, for example
http://whatismatt.com/who-is-the-lost-boy/
http://mattcrook.com/hire-matt-crook-freelance-writer/
http://mattcrook.com/
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post Jul 24 2010, 08:29 PM

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QUOTE(Cergau @ Jul 15 2010, 01:23 AM)
I dont know what to make of this statement in Parliament.
"Mengenai sarang burung, perkara ini saya fikir jelas bahawa pungutan
sarang burung ini adalah sarang burung di hutan, di gua, ini memerlukan lesen kerana
dengan cara ada lesen, kita dapat mengawal kerana ini adalah isu konservasi kerana
harga sarang burung walit ini adalah tinggi. Jadi kalau tidak dikawal nanti kita akan
menghadapi masalah dari segi cara dan sebagainya dan ia akan pupus. Seperti saya
sebut awal tadi, rang undang-undang ini tidak mengawal penternakan ataupun industri
burung walit di bandar-bandar. Itu adalah di bawah Kementerian Pertanian dan Industri
Asas Tani dan sebagainya."

MPs Qs on sale to only licensed purchaser and the existing export tax were not answered directly.
Does the above statement apply to the unanswered Qs?
Hansard link below, for those who want to go thru the Qs and Ans on EBN in Parliament.
http://www.parlimen.gov.my/hindex/pdf/DR-13072010.pdf
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Folks,
What my layman interpretation is that the minister's answer imply that Conservation of Wildlife Act 2010 has nothing to do with non-cave birds' nest!
As such Perhilitan's action against the Chinese medicine shop is illegal unless it's cave nest!
Then again..is Perhilitan and the minister in synch????
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post Jul 30 2010, 10:01 PM

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QUOTE(penpower @ Jul 29 2010, 10:24 PM)
This could be Malaysians and keepers only lifeline left.

there is a saying that " We need better politicians and govt dept officers,

NO, What we need is a better citizen."
Watch the above video, over and over again. Your kids need you to do something.
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Please elaborate....
I dont see it biggrin.gif
May work in a country where bribery is endemic and almost cultural as in India...but with the democratic institutions still intact.
Please elaborate how you see this working in M'sia.
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For those who prefer words AND actions
Abolish ISA Candle light vigil at these times on 1st Aug (Sun)
Light a candle for the love of our country Malaysia


Dataran MBPJ, Padang Timur in Petaling Jaya at 8pm
Speaker's Square, Penang (9pm)
Dataran Bandaraya Ipoh (8pm)
Dataran Zero KM, Sungai Petani (8pm)
Taman Hijau, Jalan Sultanah Zainab, Kota Bharu (8pm)
Pusat Tanah Wang, Jalan Perdada, Sibu (8pm)
Bangunan Al Idrus Commercial Centre, Kuching (8pm)
Front Entrance of 1 Borneo Hypermall, Kota Kinabalu (1pm)
London Abolish ISA Solidarity Watch - Sunday 1st August, 12-2pm, Trafalgar Square,
Australia - (still too Barossa Valley wine pissed to work out, SteadyAku? )

http://www.malaysia-today.net/index.php?op...t&Itemid=100129

http://www.malaysia-today.net/index.php?op...t&Itemid=100129

http://www.malaysia-today.net/index.php?op...t&Itemid=100129

http://www.malaysia-today.net/index.php?op...s&Itemid=100132
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post Aug 2 2010, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE(Lucas 1 @ Aug 2 2010, 03:11 AM)
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Lucas 1,
That's a very good sharing.
The suggested rates are a good benchmark for other local councils.

A suggestion would be if the rates are annual rates, the license should perpetual until infringements of local guidelines, non payment or terminated mutually.
That should free the council enforcement/renewal staff to do their job of enforcements of either BHs or other enforcement duties.
Also BHs owners need not be present on an annual basis just to receive a piece of paper...preferably like TNB, TELEKOM, JABATAN AIR etc...
Removal of any NON VALUE ADDITION action on any party will help with efficiency.

I am so glad, Malaysians finally have an alternative for comparison.
What a relief and a hope for an option.
Nothing like competition between the 2 parties to keep the minions on their toes.
Change is uncomfortable and tough for some, we need to plough on.


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