Sorry, I really don't know the details. I'm only saying what was told to me by my friend. Because of what was told to him, he gave the watch to his nephew. Gosh, imagine if he found out that the watch is genuine and the salesperson was misinformed. 

hmm. yeah its the same case. i think i would rather go for bidfortime. seems like they look more reliable

Anyways, I am very close to ordering a Stowa B-Uhr. For those who have yet to see it, here's the link Stowa Flieger Baumuster B Dial

Stowa has been making A dial Fliegers all this while but their new range will include a B dial! Its size is 40mm, so it's smaller than your Laco. Price wise, it's also a lot higher compared to a Miyota Laco at 630 Euros.

patryn, for me, original flieger should remain date-less. Just me 

so patryn, which one is your pick?

ETA 2824 with date, with soft iron core. Speedbird III, all met your criteria. 

anything different with cal 2824-2? saw the movement below rm500 w/o dial @ ebay..dunno genuine or not

Ya not so much history of Speedbird and TimeFactor, but they do have some favourable reviews on WUS.
http://forums2.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=345409
http://forums2.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=383762

How about Steinhart 44mm? Was contemplating before I decided to pull the trigger for Laco.
http://www.steinhartwatches.de/index.php?i...0&Sel_ID=18#120

hi there. any of u guys have any knowledge on this watch here?

http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/toku5052/imgs/9/b/9bd86a37.jpg
Seiko SARB065

if it was 450USD, is it worth the buy? care to shed some light on this?

You know what patryn, I got a wild dream to change the Miyota to ETA if can find a reliable and trustworthy watchmaker here.  

the 065 is a beautiful watch. much better looking in person. i was very impressed with the dial finishing.
the strap and deployant buckle that comes with the 065 as well as other cosmetic differences (including the stunning sunburst dial and the curved crystal) make it worth the premium over the 013 imho. the 065 goes very well with a suit. my only wish is for Seiko to remove the date on the 065. the 065 also uses the 6R15B which has minor differences with the 6R15A that the 013 uses though it shouldn't be of any consequence (google for differences)

Difference Between 6R15A & 6R15B

Hi, recently received my Seiko Spirit SCVS003 in the post from Japan (23 Jan 2007). Having seen the pictures that Jurgen posted, I had to have one. All the other excellent photos and reviews were really helpful. Took me a while to track down a dependable vendor.

I emailed the query about the movement to Seiya Kobayashi of Seiyajapan.com and he explained that the 6R15B uses 6 different parts compared to the 6R15A. The 6 parts are all from the new 6R20 movement used in the Premier range. Seiko decided to do this to achieve economies of scale through mainstreaming the parts for the production of both watches.

There is no quality difference between the two movements, this is merely a cost cutting exercise.

The different parts are; the barrel and train wheel bridge, the movement barrel (complete), the centre wheel & pinion, the ratchet wheel, the oscillating weight and the ratchet wheel screw.

My watch has the later 6R15B, although Seiya's website photos show a 6R15A movement. I paid £138 for the watch, £9 duty and 13.50 to Parcelthief (or whatever they're called) for handling!!

Also, I had 3 extra links put in as my wrist is 8.5 inches. I took this precaution as so many people said that the bracelet can only fit 7.5 inch wrists at the largest. Upon receipt, I was surprised to find that I had to take all 3 links out! The bracelet fitted perfectly in the original size - don't know what happened there. Shame, coz Seiko charged £14 for supplying the 3 links!

Best Wishes

Gary

i basically sold the 013 at no loss. after using it for about a year (got it when it was first launched), the watch was still pristine. i don't baby my watches but i am also mindful of how my watches are treated when i use them (even with my swiss watches). finishing on the 6R15 movt is of course a bit lacking and much better on the 6R20 (i also had a seiko premier auto and sold it off). i've showed the premier to some swiss watchmakers before and they were very impressed with the quality of the USD500+ watch.

yes people working in the watch industry in switzerland

and this premier http://www.pbase.com/kelvinphoto/seikopremier

yes the same one in the URL u gave...

anyway, imho, while i love the japanese philosophy, sometimes, seiko still lacks a bit of design knowhow, perhaps due to their re-using of parts for many different models. it is evident in many of their lower end models where the movement doesn't match the case size or when the second or minute hand are just too short.

nevertheless, as much as i wish Seiko does better in this aspect (and other questionable management decisions), i still love Seiko very much (and Citizen and Orient) and would love to get a GS one day. I'm also contemplating the Orient 60th anniv.

herm... do u guys know any good shop in sgpore? 
planning to go this weekend, so maybe can grab 1

@patryn33

@ lucky garden the price are  They give me the ball engineer2 sgd2300, i think KL much more cheaper, and over here too many watch shop.(scared got conned) 
@ there is 1 watch shop "hour glass" or "some watch shop" if im not mistaken infront of robinson.... its already closed that time 

now sales time in SG until 30june, so maybe you can go there and grab new watch. 

donno went can go to tropicana and scout the red army. sigh...

Just saw the new Hamilton Khaki Team Earth on their website and I think it is pretty nice 
MRSP USD895.00
http://www.hamiltonwatch.com/webapp/en-us/...=KA&y=160&p=539
http://www.watchsource.eu/hamilton/hamilto...pictures-price/

limited edition ?

Oh great news, when will be the expected delivery time?
No need to pay VAT if ship to US?

haha... at last , i manage to go to red army today and bought something. The box is nice....black velvet.
The plan was to look only, then accidently trying it... and end up buying it.

i only got cheapo 2602 russian huhuhu