no my kinda brand... spend ~rm$9k for a quartz! B&R is a very good case manufacturer.
might as well go for a Breitling.

I think you found 1 already. The AD, hour glass in this case should have that.
is that not the right watch? or its not in your working budget?

online many fakes?
there are many real too, depends where U get it. i got alot of my watches online. In fact some online store today don't even send U the goods, no need to fake anything in the 1st place.

some brands only can get thru online and no fake there. eg AirNautic watch company ( http://www.airnauticwatchco.com/) , Guinand, http://www.ocean7watchco.com/

other brands such as Alpha, trias no worries.. no one wanna fake them.. they are made in china already.
russian watches, Poljot, Buran also no fakes.. no demand out there, not worth faking them.

btw I did mention a non online retailer- The Hour Glass, fyi Glycine is Hour Glass house brand, and they carry Breitling too
http://www.glycine-watch.ch/e/distribution..._Country=10001B
This post has been edited by patryn33: May 22 2010, 07:28 AM

swiss made auto.. < 200 usd not possible.
german made with swiss heart < 200 usd also not possible even its online brand.

< 400 usd not sure if U can find a swiss mechanical.. quartz maybe
Jap or Chinese more likely

at prices under 400usd which brands did U find fake?

russian.. hmm redarmy do have a branch in KL but prices are high
http://www.redarmywatches.com/collection_b...3&cat=3&brand=4
http://www.russia2all.com/aviator-poljot-v..._1375636-m.html

so which are the brands U know of thats under 200 usd?

This post has been edited by patryn33: May 22 2010, 08:18 AM

can U get a good deal on Russian watches? my in-law was in Moscow and it was more expensive then ordering online and paying for shipping!
vostok and poljot make good watches. it would be hard to find a wide range of Russian watches here in Msia. u may end up paying more at redarmy than in Russia.

I didn't know they are popular in Russia but the hour hand isn't working as it supposed to. I don't think reputable Russian brands such as Poljot and Votosk are doing that.

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Added on May 22, 2010, 10:02 pmmen's or ladies?
maurice laucroix is a good brand. Longines too!

This post has been edited by patryn33: May 22 2010, 10:02 PM

try
- Longines Conquest (auto) L36554566
- Longines Hydroconquest (quartz) L36404566
- Longines Hydroconquest chrono (quartz) L36504566

maurice laucroix not sure if U can get that with that budget these days prices are higher even Pontos.

EUR$1k budget go with a nicely made mechanical. this budget only can with with ETA movements. depending on how much U pay U may get some work done on it. decorated and regulated well.

since U are in Europe.. there are brands such as Guinand that is value for money. they had worked behind the scene making watches from big brands in the past
a Series 40/41 auto Chrono just under EUR$1K, well made with nice decorations
in fact getting a series 20 only cost under EUR$800
http://guinand-watch.com/index.php?option=...d=63&Itemid=181

Stowa - lots of watches under 1K too.
http://stowa.de/shop/cgi-bin/lshop.cgi?ls=e

with 1k budget can get 2 watches from German brand Archimede! nice watches, movement not decorated however at such price can't expect that!
http://www.archimede-uhren.de/EN/Collection.htm



This post has been edited by patryn33: May 23 2010, 12:52 AM

fake Junkers! thats news.. how did he found out its fake? open the case? can share the site he got it from? maybe its good to compile a list of place to let ppl know which are the sites to stay away like plague!

anyway there are always ppl who claim they disscover they found a fake like your friend did but after further inquiry on QUS/Timezone etc its the real thing. kinda some ppl complain about a fake invicta as it has chinese movement. well, real invicta have series that are MIC.

Poljot and Vostok fake? seen ppl asking on WUS seem like those get on ebay got tricked.
Not seen any on the street here. did know KL also have ppl selling these fakes russian and swatch. btw are they good AAA fake?
http://www.russianwatchguide.com/counterfeit-watches.htm

i do agree with U, U always need to do some level of research when u getting online. if they ship from Asia forget about it, or website no address, no tel number etc super shady. China even have fake toilet paper.

according to WUS stay away from sky.net and timetotime.com for sure
http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=66438

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Added on May 23, 2010, 4:25 am1k euro ~rm4k
ball would that be very entry level? such as the below.
http://www.ballwatchusa.com/collections/FiremanIILJBKGR.asp

tag aquaracer quartz WAB1110.BA0800? would be be alittle over 4k after discount.
http://www.tagheuer.com/the-collection/aqu...=WAB1110.BA0800


This post has been edited by patryn33: May 23 2010, 06:36 AM

brands such as Rolex, JLC, PP, VC, AP do not use ETA movement.
JLC, Rolex, Zenith, roger Dubis, FM etc are is solely inhouse
PP, VC, AP used to base on some other manufacture (eg FRÉDÉRIC PIGUET ) but today they mostly in house.
lower end IWC, jeanRichard are base on ETA higher end are inhouse.
Panerai used to base on ETA, they do heavily mod those movement up to >50% today mostly inhouse.
Swatch group brands like Longines, Omega leverage on ETA used them to make their movement and mod them to their specifications.

Sinn although use ETA movement they do invest on other tech.. like the Diapal escapement. which is kinda a big deal.

ML/Chronoswiss use alot of Vintage watch movements such as Enicar, A. Schild

Tag Heuer quartz useds mainly ETA. lower end auto are ETA base, higher end Zenith EL PRIMERO, the new Caliber 1887 is based on Seiko 6S37. some argue also its base on Seiko's design inhouse with some mod so its inhouse movement. if thats the case brans such as Union Glashütte also got rights to make ETA in Glashütte, germany but ppl wouldn't consider them inhouse at all.

ball watch use a mix of unmod ETA and sellita movement.
some brands like Louis Erard used both ETA and Soprod movements.

brands such a Nomos, dornblueth complete inhouse although U can trace the origin to Unitas (now part of ETA).

Selitta make ETA clones. since the patent on some movement are over.
Claro based their movements on Chinese company Seagull. few company used that, so far I know Swiss legend.

This post has been edited by patryn33: May 24 2010, 09:30 AM

side note, U may wanna spend some time and read http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?p=180820

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Added on May 24, 2010, 8:32 amif u are base in Melaka, Can look for lady name : May May Lai... discount is ~28%, pay cash and its ~30%!

WATATIME (M) SDN BHD
Lot G52 , Ground Floor , Mahkota Parade,
No 1 , Jalan Merdeka , 75000 Melaka , Malaysia





This post has been edited by patryn33: May 24 2010, 08:32 AM

well, u got to be extra careful buying on ebay. even a watchmaker can get tricked at time.
on ebay 1 base rule to follow, "if it too good to be true, say away from it'

do give a review when u get it!

it took them around 3 days to issue an email saying they shipped the item.
U can't really track it cause it via Royal mail

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Added on May 26, 2010, 7:07 amwhat kinda watch u looking for?
for grey market try or pre-own try
www.jwwatch.com
visiotime.com.sg

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Added on May 26, 2010, 7:10 am@ nando

spotted a great deal on a inhouse german made pwr res.
new at 50% off, but its square face
http://www.jwwatch.com/showpro_details.asp?id=2&cat=592




This post has been edited by patryn33: May 26 2010, 07:10 AM

sure, they have the smaller version BR-S which is 39mm, they are quartz and I think the retail close to rm$10k
the rest are either in 42 or 46mm

"The Watches part 2 (affordable watches), poor/rich men watch thread or watch deal"
this title still misleading? for a rich men even 10B watch also very affordable.

controversy here, MOD can change it. there is another thread in hobbies. u can participate there.

Calibre S is a quartz. a cool video on it. retail at ~8.5k
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/651614/tag_h...acer_calibre_s/

B&R cost ~US3K after discount, movement maybe ~us$300. B&R is a good case maker and they have ppl that spend the time and regulate the watch. more importantly u are paying for the brand.
http://zibet.net/movements.html#id.s2

Tissot is under the swatch group, i would expect they get more discount getting movements. 1 reason why tissot is more affordable.
other reasons may include, thats how they wanna priced themselves, cost cutting comes from getting case make in china, they may not spend much time regulating the movements they get from ETA, and maybe QC.

Golano swiss make very affordable swiss watch, however QC is a mix bag from what i read.

1st of all auto + 6-8mm is just not possible.
auto + ~10mm is possible.

U have to look at page 1. there is a list of possible brands.
so far only these 2 watches come to mind
- hamilton watch (Field mechanical size at 33mm) retail price ~rm1.1K but thickness is greater than 8mm iirc
- Stowa Antea Kleine Sekunde (35.5mm at 6.8mm thick) however its priced RM$1.8k and need to wait for 1-3mths.

bought online and don't fit! don't remove those tags, and ship back to return it. many online store have good return policy, with the exception of Stowa.
not heard of anyone returning their watches.

if u have tried watches with your specs. 24-38mm and that thick and it suit u well, chances are similar dimension watches will fit u too.

@ alfredfx, Christopher Ward wouldn't satisfy the 6-8mm thickness. ETA 2824 or SW200 are thick. watches on these movement generally at ~10mm thick. 6-8mm only mechanical. btw have CW shipped your order?

This post has been edited by patryn33: May 28 2010, 09:47 AM

haha... seem like U share my taste! cream looks better.

u got be kidding right?
junkers horizon? its 42mm by 12mm thickness
http://www.pointtec.de/junkers/horizon/#/junkers/6750-5/

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Added on May 29, 2010, 8:02 amnot cheap right? ~28k retail. very nicely mod and decorated Valijoux 7750.
I rather spend alittle more on Seiko spring drive chrono + pwr res priced ~21K after discount.

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Added on May 29, 2010, 8:09 amsame here, my USA credit card also had hard time getting thru. end up paying paying paypal.

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Added on May 29, 2010, 8:56 amU made a great pt. the one on Junkers offical site also spell it as automatic not automatik. wonder if shop keeper is spreading the wrong info.


This post has been edited by patryn33: May 29 2010, 08:56 AM

didn't know u getting it thru this route.
if its at ~us$1.5K go for it!. its hard to find a mod and decorated 7750 done at this price

did U google seller? I found these but posted by same guy. didn't look deep into the issue.
http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?p=3033781
http://www.homageforum.com/viewtopic.php?f...9fca459&start=0

its ebay after all, do take precaution. seem like its the same seller as www.timeforwatches.com. no reviews found here.

This post has been edited by patryn33: May 29 2010, 06:47 PM