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Philosophy Do we need our problems to be happy?

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teongpeng
post May 31 2010, 12:25 AM

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QUOTE(lin00b @ May 31 2010, 12:14 AM)
so sadness now is defined by the time period? sad is sad, stop twisting about.
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no, silly. but there is a difference between emphatising sadness and actually going thru the actual debacle. for instance, you see some dungu feel sad because he lost his money in gambling. u feel his sadness. its not yours. u just contemplate and well...emphatised (how do u spell this anyway? lol ) with him. and then u choose not to go thru that kinda experience.



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post May 31 2010, 12:37 AM

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QUOTE(teongpeng @ May 31 2010, 12:25 AM)
no, silly. but there is a difference between emphatising sadness and actually going thru the actual debacle. for instance, you see some dungu feel sad because he lost his money in gambling. u feel his sadness. its not yours. u just contemplate and well...emphatised (how do u spell this anyway? lol ) with him. and then u choose not to go thru that kinda experience.
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i can observe his reaction to his sadness, i cannot feel his sadness because i'm not him. and i avoid it because i dont want to have the same reaction. i have no idea what the experience is.

and even come back to you example. if i dont gamble and lose money, would i be happy? i would be in an emotionally neutral state because i will have no idea what is the emotionally negative state is
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post May 31 2010, 07:32 AM

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QUOTE(lin00b @ May 31 2010, 12:37 AM)
i can observe his reaction to his sadness, i cannot feel his sadness because i'm not him. and i avoid it because i dont want to have the same reaction. i have no idea what the experience is.

and even come back to you example. if i dont gamble and lose money, would i be happy? i would be in an emotionally neutral state because i will have no idea what is the emotionally negative state is
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bodoh nye.....

having decided that u do not want to be sad...you would be happy that you're not sad.

to be in a neutral state would mean u are numbed emotionally when thats definately not the case. please dont argue like a child.

Have u ever been in a country at war? look at iraq and u're automatically happy you're not there. u dont even have to ever be there at all.

This post has been edited by teongpeng: May 31 2010, 07:35 AM
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post May 31 2010, 06:59 PM

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QUOTE(teongpeng @ May 31 2010, 07:32 AM)
bodoh nye.....

having decided that u do not want to be sad...you would be happy that you're not sad.

to be in a neutral state would mean u are numbed emotionally when thats definately not the case. please dont argue like a child.

Have u ever been in a country at war? look at iraq and u're automatically happy you're not there. u dont even have to ever be there at all.
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err, no, that dont happen to me. the absence of sadness is not happiness, neither is the absence of happiness sadness.

are you sad now? no? does that mean you are happy?
teongpeng
post May 31 2010, 07:08 PM

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QUOTE(lin00b @ May 31 2010, 06:59 PM)
are you sad now? no? does that mean you are happy?
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yes.

happiness is a degree. there is no neutral stage. u can be happier or delighted, and u can be less happier or less delighted, but you're still happy.

as long as u dont dropped down to the unhappiness level, u are deemed to be happy.

thus one can derived that, happiness is there when unhappiness is not.





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post May 31 2010, 07:14 PM

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QUOTE(teongpeng @ May 31 2010, 07:08 PM)
yes.

happiness is a degree. there is no neutral stage. u can be happier or delighted, and u can be less happier or less delighted, but you're still happy.

as long as u dont dropped down to the unhappiness level, u are deemed to be happy.

thus one can derived that, happiness is there when unhappiness is not.
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at what point does your happiness scale slide to the unhappy side? and at that exact boundary point, are you happy, or unhappy?

or a more scientific analogy, at pH 7, is a liquid acidic, or alkaline?

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post May 31 2010, 07:18 PM

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QUOTE(teongpeng @ May 31 2010, 07:08 PM)
yes.

happiness is a degree. there is no neutral stage. u can be happier or delighted, and u can be less happier or less delighted, but you're still happy.

as long as u dont dropped down to the unhappiness level, u are deemed to be happy.

thus one can derived that, happiness is there when unhappiness is not.
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post May 31 2010, 11:56 PM

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QUOTE(lin00b @ May 31 2010, 07:14 PM)
at what point does your happiness scale slide to the unhappy side? and at that exact boundary point, are you happy, or unhappy?

or a more scientific analogy, at pH 7, is a liquid acidic, or alkaline?
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it cannot be measured scientifically. well..atleast i dont know how.

the boundary is sad at the point where unhappiness enters the picture.

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post Jun 1 2010, 11:26 AM

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sometimes people had to learn it through the hard way.
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post Jun 2 2010, 06:07 PM

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QUOTE(miraclejustin @ Jun 1 2010, 11:26 AM)
sometimes people had to learn it through the hard way.
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yea it follows the same rule as ' no pain , no gain ' smile.gif
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post Jun 3 2010, 12:56 PM

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Yes, we need problems to be happy, especialy when we solve it ! biggrin.gif

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