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Philosophy Do we need our problems to be happy?
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lin00b
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 May 30 2010, 10:32 PM
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QUOTE(teongpeng @ May 30 2010, 07:35 PM)  u think too much. the existence of sadness for happiness to make sense DOES NOT make the former a prerequisite to achieve the latter. He can merely choose to understand sadness once...and if he is wise enough...he would choose not to experience it again and live happily ever after. and how would you understand sadness without experiencing it?
Added on May 30, 2010, 10:35 pmQUOTE(Beastboy @ May 20 2010, 01:26 PM) Not siding anyone here but is it possible for people to have a mature discussion and not revert to name calling or being personal? Can we focus on the issue rather than attack the persons raising the issue? This is the PhD section, not kindergarten. If we cannot be civil, what's the point of enlightening discussions? you must not have known our RWI/PHDS resident ad-hominem troll very well.  This post has been edited by lin00b: May 30 2010, 10:35 PM |
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lin00b
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May 30 2010, 11:27 PM
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QUOTE(teongpeng @ May 30 2010, 11:24 PM) u dont have to jump off the building to know it will kill u. yes, books tell me that, but i have yet to find a book that adequately explain feelings like sad, love, etc as well as feelings are not such discrete and fixed properties that different people experience it the same way for the same event. heck the same people might have different feeling about the same event at different point of life. bad analogy much? |
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lin00b
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May 30 2010, 11:47 PM
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QUOTE(teongpeng @ May 30 2010, 11:40 PM) poor understand much?  are books the only way u learn things? do u lack basic observatory skills? what about empathy? u can experience sadness without being really sad u know.
uh huh, yeah right, please give some examples. experience sadness = being sad. |
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lin00b
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May 31 2010, 12:14 AM
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QUOTE(teongpeng @ May 31 2010, 12:06 AM) yes. but without a real niggling reason to remain sad, one can quickly switch it off. its not real. so sadness now is defined by the time period? sad is sad, stop twisting about. |
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lin00b
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May 31 2010, 12:37 AM
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QUOTE(teongpeng @ May 31 2010, 12:25 AM) no, silly. but there is a difference between emphatising sadness and actually going thru the actual debacle. for instance, you see some dungu feel sad because he lost his money in gambling. u feel his sadness. its not yours. u just contemplate and well...emphatised (how do u spell this anyway? lol ) with him. and then u choose not to go thru that kinda experience. i can observe his reaction to his sadness, i cannot feel his sadness because i'm not him. and i avoid it because i dont want to have the same reaction. i have no idea what the experience is. and even come back to you example. if i dont gamble and lose money, would i be happy? i would be in an emotionally neutral state because i will have no idea what is the emotionally negative state is |
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lin00b
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May 31 2010, 06:59 PM
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QUOTE(teongpeng @ May 31 2010, 07:32 AM) bodoh nye..... having decided that u do not want to be sad...you would be happy that you're not sad. to be in a neutral state would mean u are numbed emotionally when thats definately not the case. please dont argue like a child. Have u ever been in a country at war? look at iraq and u're automatically happy you're not there. u dont even have to ever be there at all. err, no, that dont happen to me. the absence of sadness is not happiness, neither is the absence of happiness sadness. are you sad now? no? does that mean you are happy? |
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lin00b
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May 31 2010, 07:14 PM
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QUOTE(teongpeng @ May 31 2010, 07:08 PM) yes. happiness is a degree. there is no neutral stage. u can be happier or delighted, and u can be less happier or less delighted, but you're still happy. as long as u dont dropped down to the unhappiness level, u are deemed to be happy. thus one can derived that, happiness is there when unhappiness is not. at what point does your happiness scale slide to the unhappy side? and at that exact boundary point, are you happy, or unhappy? or a more scientific analogy, at pH 7, is a liquid acidic, or alkaline? This post has been edited by lin00b: May 31 2010, 07:14 PM |
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