disagree.

as i had explained before...to be healthy one does not need to be unhealthy. To be happy one does not need to be unhappy beforehand.

If that's the case, what is the meaning of unhappiness when it's obviously an experience most will shun?

Deadlocks,

Experience is an event. It is UP to us to interpret whether it is HAPPY or UNHAPPY.

A) Most people are AFRAID to be HAPPY.

B) Most people are AFRAID to take responsibility of their feeling.

C) What is WRONG about being UNHAPPY anyhow?? It is just an emotion. It will pass too. Ditto on HAPPINESS.

Nothing is PERMANENT.

You may interpret an event as UNHAPPY. But, later on, you may interpret it differently. It shall pass too.

Event is just it IS. It is OUR Interpretation that gives it meaning.

http://sstc-online.org/2006/pdfs/JB1365Notes.pdf

If you are INTERESTED, the above URL is an article on Satir Interaction Model. Aka, how human being interpret and communicate.

Dreamer

Actually there is a lot of unhealthiness in a 'healthy' body. We have toxin buildup and germ warfare going on every second. 'Health' only means our healthy bits are stronger than our unhealthy bits.

A healthy body doesn't just happen. It needs to be conditioned. That conditioning involves the pain of exercise and often unhealthiness like immunization. When we immunize, they inject a germ (weak dose) into us that we wish to immunize against. Its like throwing us to a gang fight, a small one so we toughen up and are prepared for the big one. We usually feel unwell a day or two after the innoculation.

If we take all that away beforehand, we will be unhealthy. That is the causal link between unhealthiness and health that I see.

Not quite. taking effort and feeling the 'pain' of exercise are subjective to interpretation and does not make u unhealthy. uncomfortable yes, unhealthy? no.

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Added on May 10, 2010, 10:55 pmsame can be asked of unhealthyness.

This post has been edited by teongpeng: May 10 2010, 10:56 PM

strictly speaking happiness is just a chemical process in the brain.....

in experiment we can constantly inject chemical or electro-stimulation of certain parts of the brain to produce sense of happiness

so in a way happiness without problems

I see where you're coming from and you have a good point. I do remember falling sick for a day after I got an innoculation, for smallpox I think. Would you say having fever as being in a healthy or unhealthy state? If not unhealthy, would we describe the people getting treatment at the clinic for cough, fever, etc. as not sick? (sick = unhealthy)

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Added on May 11, 2010, 9:33 amDon't forget happy pills and other mood altering drugs.

Although I don't know if taking happy pills gives you the same feeling as winning a lottery. I never experienced either one before.


This post has been edited by Beastboy: May 11 2010, 09:33 AM

What the heck are u talking about?! having fever is sick is unhealthy laaaa

While you may be healthy after u've been sick....that doesnt mean u cant be healthy unless you're sick.

C'mon bro...i had such good impression about you.

This post has been edited by teongpeng: May 11 2010, 05:27 PM

To attain happiness is or can be easier than you might imagine. You can get it through anyone, you can have it anywhere, even in a war-torn country. Happiness is meme-like; contagious and infectious.

A hug, for example, from a beloved can bring you joy -- even if problems are still there to haunt your seemingly endless nights.

Happiness is a state of euphoria, as most would say. Whether or not it's momentarily or lasting, that is not crucial. Cos no matter how fleeting the feeling is, I would still safely say u have had experienced it.

I bet Steve Jobs thinks he is poor when compared to Warren Buffet. So is he poor?

I understand. But the issue here is about whether if "sadness" which I think it's usually described and stereotyped as "problems", are necessary for happines to take place. Teong peng insisted that we wouldn't need them, and I interjected by saying the exact opposite, as to give value and appreciation to a feeling that most people are irresponsible with like you said, and that feeling is of happiness itself.

But you see, the problem is that even unhealthy people are capable of being happy. But I'm trying to say is that that the description of the "good", intangible, "feeling" known as happiness cannot be gauged as a nice, acceptable, and embraced feeling until there's an exact opposite emotion that promotes the lack of that particular feeling.

WTF are u talking about dude.....ofcoz unhealthy ppl can be happy. thats not what i mean at all....

and im not going to repeat what i mean because its been made very clear in the first place.

Its annoying how many ppl here cant read and understand very basic and straight forward ideas and anologies.

Well in that case, pray explain. Because I don't think I can fully understand the analogy you've pointed out.

like i said, what the Fark, dude?

This is how we got started:

And so I pointed out, and so you asked me what the f**k. So explain, if I'm really missing something here.

you really dont understand that?!?!??!?!?!?!

im very very dissapointed in you, deadlocks.

This post has been edited by teongpeng: May 20 2010, 02:24 AM

Sorry if you felt that way, but I rather not pretend that I did understand.

Not siding anyone here but is it possible for people to have a mature discussion and not revert to name calling or being personal? Can we focus on the issue rather than attack the persons raising the issue? This is the PhD section, not kindergarten. If we cannot be civil, what's the point of enlightening discussions?

well, problems will always be around the corner, whether you are looking for it or not.

so are solutions.

anyway, fancy seeing u this side of the forum vivienne.