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post Feb 21 2011, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(Divas @ Feb 8 2011, 06:06 PM)
I would have thought just adding more moisture to your BARF would solve the problem.

However kibble is much less hassle. Ingredients wise Acana Grasslands is a great food, as long as you don't mind the high protein (which you would be getting from a BARF diet anyway so makes a lot of sense in your situation). I don't have any practical experience with it, but with an ingredients list like that, you should expect only good things. However a word of caution - it is often the healthier, more natural and less grain foods that can cause smellier poop, however in my opinion if you pick the poop up as soon as it is done and flush it... no more smell, no problem smile.gif. Sadly though, as far as food is concerned, when trying to avoid smelly poop, it is a case of trial and error as each dog reacts differently to every food so it really depends what works for you and your dog.

If you feed your dog the kibble dry and give rawhide (or raw bones seeing as you are already doing so, i assume) there is no need to brush your dogs teeth any more regularly than you would feeding BARF (it is the bone chewing that cleans the teeth which you can continue to give even after switching to kibble). I prefer to let my dogs chew things and clean their teeth very rarely (only if i see areas where their chewing isn't doing enough), not only does it keep their teeth clean but it keeps them quiet for a while and by constantly using interesting shaped and different textured chew things it helps keeps their mind active as well.
If you choose to feed wet/canned food (which i highly don't recommend) you have to clean your dog's teeth a lot more often (even if they chew things) as wet food really really builds up the gunk and causes rotting/black/dead/decayed teeth way way way to early in life otherwise.
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Avocado seeds only harmful to dogs not the fruit. I've been feeding my dogs Avoderm Chicken since puupy and I would say they like it very much and the price is quite affordable for big pack. My beagle now sheds a lot I'm thinking whether the food is the cause and now planning to shift to Avoderm Lamb gradually.

How often you feed your dogs rawhide bones? Is it safe since one of my dog which is a beagle is an aggresive chewer - he can finish off a medium size bone in one day!
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post Feb 21 2011, 02:26 PM

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do you guys heard this brand before PRO BEST from korea, i just bought 1 pack small pack 1.36kg for my poodles. rice and lamb, so far the stool is firm and he is doing great. but after reading some of the reply, i might going to switch to artemis fresh mix small breed... damn hard to get a decent dog food around cheras. you guys know any place i can purchase this near my area?

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post Feb 21 2011, 03:09 PM

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DoggieDoggie in cheras business centre has Artemis
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post Feb 21 2011, 03:19 PM

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Great thread here with good contributions.

I have a 5 month old golden, Hazel (she just appeared in the Star "dog loves camera" contest - mini celebrity now!) who has been on Orijen large breed puppy since coming home to us 3 months ago.

I feed her about 400g a day (split into 2 times), problem is... she has runny stools just like how karwaidotnet mentioned similar symptoms in his dog in the beginning of this thread. Not a machinegun pooper, 3 times a day but sometimes runny, sometimes firm ---> I'll reduce amount of food from today onwards to see if it helps. She's not thin or fat at the moment so maybe slightly reduced food should be fine. She gains about 1.5 - 2kgkg a week and currently weighs 19? or 20? no idea coz I've not weighed her for a month.

Another problem is rash on her elbows, legs, and chest... they come and go. Not too sure if she's allergic to her food since it's been there and gets worse sometimes, but better at other times. Thing is my old shihtzu, Pecan, had allergies to ALL kinds of meat except lamb, and I'm suspecting that Hazel is allergic to some form of meat - Orijen contains 10 protein sources and that's not helping.

My question is, how much is Go! and Canidae compared to Orijen? Cost of orijen is burning a small hole in my pocket but if it's not working out for Hazel, then I'll have to look elsewhere.

Again, this is a great thread and Divaz, I'll drop by your shop some day since I live so near wink.gif
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QUOTE(huey80 @ Feb 21 2011, 01:33 PM)
Artemis fresh mix small breed RM42 (4star, 28%, 17%, 48%) (4) with 10% discount in Pet Family, tmn megah. Needs at least 4-6 mths to see improvement in terms of colour & coat density. And pet family or a few other places may not carry this brand anymore due to the reason of slow restocking from the supplier. If u start on this brand, u might need a back-up shud u cant find it anymore at places near u.

Acana..esp if u hv a poodle is well known for causing tear stains and not all range is rated 5 stars. They hv this organic chicken thingy which is quite good - get the holistic one if u must. Avoid beet pulp in its ingredients.

And i've always been curious..since avocados r not good for dogs, i wonder y there r treats n kibbles based on this ingredient??
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thanks.
I think i most likely will go for artemis or acana. let's see how my puppy takes it.
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post Feb 22 2011, 10:45 AM

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I found a statement like this:

This food is outstanding in that it contains no grains whatsoever. Grains are not a natural part of a canine diet and it is pleasing to see dog foods on the market that exclude grains completely from the diet.

So does it mean grains is not good for dog?
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post Feb 22 2011, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(Divas @ Feb 14 2011, 12:36 AM)
I wrote out a long reply, then my computer crashed.
So will leave it at this:
I disagree with what you say. There is never an excuse to feed pedigree and i don't care how many dogs you "know" who lived healthily while eating it. The reason we keep telling you about cigarettes and alcohol is not because we are saying just drink or smoke: The reason is, feeding a dog pedigree has health risks, not all dogs will react but the risk is there, just like smoking or drinking (especially a lot) has health risks, not everyone gets lung cancer and kidney failure, but would you smoke 40cigs a day and down a bottle of JD for breakfast if i told you my uncle did so and lived to be 90 before being hit by a truck? This is why your argument about "my neighbour/brother/cousin/friend's dog who ate _____ their whole life and were really healthy" is not a good argument (hence my "retarded argument" comment).

Also a breeder should feed very good quality kibble, if you can't afford to do that.. don't breed, simple. Breeding is not a money making endeavor when done correctly. Breeding for profit is the main reason so many dogs in Malaysia have bad skin problems and such. 

I don't really want to carry on with this as the thread is for people who want help giving their dog the best nutrition they can... There are foods out there that are a million times better than pedigree at a pretty similar price. Alternatively i suggest to people on a tighter budget to mix a decent kibble with rice to make it more economical (which is more nutritious than feeding pedigree).
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Hi Divas,

I have seen your post mentioning that you do not how to start on raw feeding. Just a suggestion to you that you can try to join a Yahoo group called raw feeding where there are more 'sifu' that you can ask from them about your queries.

Besides that, for the mites problem, you can try to mix a little bit of garlic into its food as garlic made the dog's blood nasty to suck. Beside that, if there is infestation around your house, you can also put garlic around the corner. It can help to kill the fleas or ticks slowly and remember to clear the died fleas next morning.

PS:Just a suggestion for those who are really on tight budget in controlling the fleas. Best of all, garlic is more natural and safe in long term for your dogs.
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QUOTE(yuen300 @ Feb 22 2011, 12:19 PM)
Hi Divas,

I have seen your post mentioning that you do not how to start on raw feeding. Just a suggestion to you that you can try to join a Yahoo group called raw feeding where there are more 'sifu' that you can ask from them about your queries.

Besides that, for the mites problem, you can try to mix a little bit of garlic into its food as garlic made the dog's blood nasty to suck. Beside that, if there is infestation around your house, you can also put garlic around the corner. It can help to kill the fleas or ticks slowly and remember to clear the died fleas next morning.

PS:Just a suggestion for those who are really on tight budget in controlling the fleas. Best of all, garlic is more natural and safe in long term for your dogs.
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Is garlic suitable for all dog breeds?
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post Feb 22 2011, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Feb 22 2011, 02:23 PM)
Is garlic suitable for all dog breeds?
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for giving the available garlic, it is ok to give the dogs in a small amount. Like for me, at first, I only put a tiny amount to see the dog's reaction onto the garlic. Slowly then I increased to one clove. Some will also add the garlic supplement which meant for the dogs (where they remove the toxin) into the dog meal to prevent flea. For me, I have a tight budget after paying for my dogs'kibbles so I have to find some cheap alternative. To me, garlic was effective in prevent the flea infestation in house. I means that garlic is cheaper than frontline if you are using for monthly control of flea infestation and don't worry whether the dog will eat the garlic you put around since most of dogs hate the garlic smell like us do(that why you also need to put a very small amout in the food or the dog will refuse to eat)

Just extra website regarding the garlic issue.
http://www.thriftyfun.com/tf72204470.tip.html
http://www.natural-dog-health-remedies.com...c-for-dogs.html

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post Feb 22 2011, 07:39 PM

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Anyone knows where can i buy this Wellness dog food at KL area? smile.gif
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post Feb 22 2011, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(yuen300 @ Feb 22 2011, 12:19 PM)
Hi Divas,

I have seen your post mentioning that you do not how to start on raw feeding. Just a suggestion to you that you can try to join a Yahoo group called raw feeding where there are more 'sifu' that you can ask from them about your queries.

Besides that, for the mites problem, you can try to mix a little bit of garlic into its food as garlic made the dog's blood nasty to suck. Beside that, if there is infestation around your house, you can also put garlic around the corner. It can help to kill the fleas or ticks slowly and remember to clear the died fleas next morning.

PS:Just a suggestion for those who are really on tight budget in controlling the fleas. Best of all, garlic is more natural and safe in long term for your dogs.
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Thanks for the idea. Hopefully i have time to check it out sometime soon and get some more info.

As far as Trixie's mites go, i'm talking skin mites, not ticks and fleas. I have very few problems with ticks (i use prevention and also check everyone over a few times a week and pick off any i find, we also bomb the house with Bayticol every month or so). She has stress induced flare ups of demodex mites which for her seems to be very difficult to manage which is why i am at the stage of BARFing her (a lot of people claim that BARF has got the mites under control). We'll see anyway.
I have heard of others suggesting garlic (or garlic powder) to deter mites. Never tried it myself but the theory is sound i suppose. I would just advise anyone trying it to give very very little garlic to begin with and then very slowly increase the amount and keep a close eye out for a negative reaction. Large doses of garlic (especially over a long period of time) can cause a reaction in the blood resulting in a form of anemia, however in small doses it is known to prevent fleas/ticks/intestinal parasites as well as have a whole host of other positive effects... In my opinion, as long as you go slow and keep a close eye out, garlic can do a lot of good.

@Gilthoniel - You're welcome anytime of course. Maybe pop in next time Hazel's skin flairs up again so we can see.

@debieyss - Grain free diets are the latest "trend" in the dog food world. There is some truth to the whole "grains are unnatural for dogs" debate, however there is also a lot of evidence suggesting that dogs can gain nutrients from good quality grains. There are both positive and negative sides to grain free foods. I personally (as i have mentioned before) don't like such a high protein content (which comes with all grain free foods currently) for normal pet dogs, however i can understand the benefits that could come from no grains. Also most of the grain free foods have really really great natural ingredients (that appear to be) from top quality sources which also makes them great and healthy choices.
As with choosing to use BARF, Home cook, Kibble or wet food, i think the decision to go grain free is all down to personal choice and belief at the moment. Try a few things, see what you (and of course your dog) are happy with and then go with that. Of course any observations you make about specific brands or styles of food would be greatly appreciated on here as it will help us all find the best choices for our dogs smile.gif.
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Hi guys, first time I'm posting in this sub-forum.
I just purchased a male, 8 weeks old, Dobermann.
It weighs @ 4 kg and I plan for it to become a guard dog. It needs the size and the build.
May I know what food type/brand that I should get for him (preferable high in protein) that's easily available in KL.
I'm currently on a mixed diet of Eukenaba (Puppy/Chicken-flavor) and Blackwood (For performance and large).
Thanks, your reply is most appreciated!
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For big dogs to grow up nice, strong and big I would go with BARF. I know there are some places that sell ready made BARF diets.
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anyone knows where can i buy canidae dog foods ?? which pet shops do have these dog foods??

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@Reanne: Thanks for the reply. Appreciated it.
May I know where to purchase it and the expected pricing?
Don't wanna get ripped off, thanks again!
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Dear all,

Want to ask that is high protein dog kibble or fish based kibble tends to cause a dog eat its stool? I had juz changed from BARF to kible, wellness core ocean formula mixed with go! Wild salmon. But I noticed that my pup, an 1 year old schnauzer eat her stool..disgusting! I wish I could pick up her stiool asap after she done her busness, but she normally poo at afternoon which I out for work, and midnight like 4-5am which I still can notice she was doing her business and I can wake up to pick up her stool and flush to the toilet..Btw, mayb a bit out of topic, I would oso like to ask is there any way to "adjust" my pup's poo poo time so that she will poo just soon after her meal?

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QUOTE(xDingx @ Feb 28 2011, 10:36 PM)
Dear all,

Want to ask that is high protein dog kibble or fish based kibble tends to cause a dog eat its stool? I had juz changed from BARF to kible, wellness core ocean formula mixed with go! Wild salmon. But I noticed that my pup, an 1 year old schnauzer eat her stool..disgusting! I wish I could pick up her stiool asap after she done her busness, but she normally poo at afternoon which I out for work, and midnight like 4-5am which I still can notice she was doing her business and I can wake up to pick up her stool and flush to the toilet..Btw, mayb a bit out of topic, I would oso like to ask is there any way to "adjust" my pup's poo poo time so that she will poo just soon after her meal?

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Reason yr dog eat's it's own poo, is because the food it's not really digested fully,therefore it eats it's poo...there are yogurt powder to feed your dog to help them better digest the food to prevent it from eating the poo....or the other reason its coz it's hungry...


I use to train my dog, after each meal i bring him out to the grass and say poo poo....after a while he gets it....Now i ask wanna poo poo?he'll run to the dog....

At age 1 u still can train yr dog...i got mine @ 9 mths learn obedience and tricks just fine....

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QUOTE(muse@muse @ Feb 28 2011, 10:50 PM)
Reason yr dog eat's it's  own poo, is because the food it's not really digested fully,therefore it eats it's poo...there are yogurt powder to feed your dog to help them better digest the food to prevent it from eating the poo....or the other reason its coz it's hungry...


I use to train my dog, after each meal i bring him out to the grass and say poo poo....after a while he gets it....Now i ask wanna poo poo?he'll run to the dog....

At age 1 u still can train yr dog...i got mine @ 9 mths learn obedience and tricks just fine....

Patience, love and repeat the commands will do... tongue.gif
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but my pup didnt have poo eating problem when she is on BARF...and now she is on kibble, i think i give sufficient food for her...70g kibble per meal (my girl is 4.5kg), i gv my dog 2 meals a day.. or maybe i just transfer from BARF to kibble, so her stomach cant digest well? and for the yogurt..i think v can oni gv plain yogurt right? may i know where can i get this plain yogurt? went to several supermarkets i oni can find the flavoured yogurt but not plain yogurt..

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QUOTE(xDingx @ Feb 28 2011, 11:27 PM)
but my pup didnt have poo eating problem when she is on BARF...and now she is on kibble, i think i give sufficient food for her...70g kibble per meal (my girl is 4.5kg), i gv my dog 2 meals a day.. or maybe i just transfer from BARF to kibble, so her stomach cant digest well? and for the yogurt..i think v can oni gv plain yogurt right? may i know where can i get this plain yogurt? went to several supermarkets i oni can find the flavoured yogurt but not plain yogurt..
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Hello xDingx,

my shihtzu used to eat her own stool too! i was quite alarmed and surprised. It's actually a "quite" common condition called coprophagia. It's sorta like your dog's way of telling you they're not getting the full nutrients ingested from the food that they've just consumed or simply a result of them eating way too fast so not fully broken down and traces of it are in the stool.

As you mentioned, because of the switch from BARF to kibbles, perhaps its because she's gobbling it down too fast ( think about it, we do eat our koko krunch faster than biting on nasi lemak's chicken rendang) . What I used to do when I noticed she's gobbling down her food, i threw a small bouncy ball in her bowl. She somehow never figured out to just remove the ball and put up with the difficultly to maneuver around the ball for her food - which helped to slow down her eating. smile.gif

Also it would take her a long while to get used to going back to kibbles if she was on BARF. I first noticed this when i recently fed her back with emergency kibbles cause I was late with my groceries shopping for their food. Fed her at 5pm, and at 10pm she vomitted it all out, and the kibbles were still round and intact. Just shows how long it actually takes for them to break down kibbles - hence, slower nutrients ingestion. So perhaps give her awhile and her body will get used to the slower absorption rate? The whole eating their own stool ways do go away on its own for some(as shared by friends) but mine was resolved simply by switching diets to a suitable one. You can also buy these tablets called ForBid that u mix with their food. It makes their stool "unappetizing". Adding to that, perhaps read more on Wellness as well. Wasn't very good for mine sad.gif

As for yogurt, there are also capsules that you can buy which contains the same kinda stuffs. But Marigold Natural Low Fat is good too - most supermakrets have them, even petrol stations. I share a small tub every few days with my two dogs and myself. Just make sure it says contains live cultures or that probatics stuffs. ideally though, would be to just make em yourself. Very easy, just get the kit from one of those organic shops.

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QUOTE(RA54 @ Mar 1 2011, 02:51 AM)
Hello xDingx,

my shihtzu used to eat her own stool too! i was quite alarmed and surprised. It's actually a "quite" common condition called coprophagia. It's sorta like your dog's way of telling you they're not getting the full nutrients ingested from the food that they've just consumed or simply a result of them eating way too fast so not fully broken down and traces of it are in the stool.

As you mentioned, because of the switch from BARF to kibbles, perhaps its because she's gobbling it down too fast ( think about it, we do eat our koko krunch faster than biting on nasi lemak's chicken rendang) . What I used to do when I noticed she's gobbling down her food, i threw a small bouncy ball in her bowl. She somehow never figured out to just remove the ball and put up with the difficultly to maneuver around the ball for her food - which helped to slow down her eating. smile.gif

Also it would take her a long while to get used to going back to kibbles if she was on BARF. I first noticed this when i recently fed her back with emergency kibbles cause I was late with my groceries shopping for their food. Fed her at 5pm, and at 10pm she vomitted it all out, and the kibbles were still round and intact. Just shows how long it actually takes for them to break down kibbles - hence, slower nutrients ingestion. So perhaps give her awhile and her body will get used to the slower absorption rate? The whole eating their own stool ways do go away on its own for some(as shared by friends) but mine was resolved simply by switching diets to a suitable one. You can also buy these tablets called ForBid that u mix with their food. It makes their stool "unappetizing". Adding to that, perhaps read more on Wellness as well. Wasn't very good for mine sad.gif

As for yogurt, there are also capsules that you can buy which contains the same kinda stuffs. But Marigold Natural Low Fat is good too - most supermakrets have them, even petrol stations. I share a small tub every few days with my two dogs and myself. Just make sure it says contains live cultures or that probatics stuffs. ideally though, would be to just make em yourself. Very easy, just get the kit from one of those organic shops.

Hope that helps!  thumbup.gif
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Thank you so much for the useful information notworthy.gif

I not sure wether my pup gobbling too fast or not, but i can notice that she was chewing the kibble when she eating...

Something come to my concern in ur statement, is Wellness kibble not good? I read from dogfoodanalysis.com, this Wellness kibble is ranked as 6 stars premium dog food....

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