i see =)

BTW i feeding my Chow Chow with Pro-Pac (salmon)

This post has been edited by AntonioKane: Feb 13 2011, 04:28 PM

You suggested to feed wet food to a dog that wasn't eating in a previous post... This is bad advice.

This is a retarded argument that many people who don't know what they are talking about fall back on.
Yes we ALL know SOMEONE who feeds their dog junk and yet the dog lives healthily to a decent age. Just like we ALL know Alcoholics and Smokers who live healthily to a decent age (which is lit_ching's point in case you were having problems creating the very simple link). HOWEVER just because i know one or 2 people who drink and smoke/feed their dog crap, with little or no negative consequences doesn't mean i will do the same.

For every 1 example you can give me of a case where "someone you know has a dog who can deal with eating crap" i can give you at least 5 of where that has had severe health consequences early on in the dogs life.

So you know ONE dog who "only eats bones" although i assume you mean chicken and rice with the bones still in, who hasn't had a major intestinal injury from it... I personally know 5 dogs who have had emergency surgery to remove chicken bone shards lodged in their throat/intestinal tract, one never recovered due to extreme blood loss.

And you know ONE dog who is 3 years old... congratulations. The average life span of a German Shepard (or most dogs really) is 10-15 years so your "friends dog" isn't even a third of the way through his life, he better be healthy no matter what he is eating!
However I know at least 10 dogs who showed signs of kidney failure, malnutrition as well as a number of age related conditions before they even hit midlife (usually these conditions, except malnutrition which should never occur, will not be seen until late stages of middle age to old age in dogs). I have also seen many many cases of constantly lethargic dogs with 'dead' eyes and dull coats spring to life after switching away from Pedigree. On top of this, i have seen the anal gland discharge of a dog eating Pedigree.... nothing coming out of a dog should look like tar and smell like rotting fish mixed with decomposing trash.

So you might think you are very clever, but to write such nonsense on a thread which people come to for GOOD advice on nutrition to ensure their give their dog the best possible chance at a healthy and happy life is nothing short of selfish and attention seeking. How would you feel if upon reading this thread and coming across your post here, someone decided to feed their dog chicken bones, then their dog got an obstruction or torn intestinal lining and didn't make it through the surgery?
When you give advice, prepare to be responsible for what happens when people follow it.

p.s- @Reanne - I totally agree that when done well BARF can be better and cheaper than kibble, i just wish there was more information more easily available to the common person about dog nutrition and nutritional needs. I have been pondering over testing BARF on my Papillon girl who has been plagued with nasty mite related skin issues for a long time but am yet to feel like i know enough to comfortably say i could balance her meals well enough .

This post has been edited by Divas: Feb 13 2011, 08:39 PM

i didnt say i am clever my dear , =)
but just because you dogs cant adapt well with not so branded dry food, doesnt meant others can't . why calling people retard
lol, alcohol n cigarette is not food la. how can u compare with that?
pedigree and other brands just lack of nutriotion info and not from quality raw materials but that doesnt eliminate the nutriotion inside .
Nobody can survive by drinking alcohol without water =) , if anyone ever drink alcohol they should know, drinking alcohol = dehydration.
Dont call people retarded just because I have different point of view than yours ok Miss Divas? Thanks alot .

BTW, I wrote this is not to encourage you all to feed your dog with the cheapest foods but in case you are in not so well financial situation , Pedigree will do well. For certain dogs might have irritation or allergic , so slowly try it out as the vet might cost u more if u r not careful with it when u change foods suddenly.

i agree with what Divas says in a way, but if your dog is not for Show purpose or you are not so well financially, why stress yourself and end up putting your dog away for adoption just because financial prob.

Imagine a normal breeder with 10 dogs , think for it , they feed with quality biscuits? alot of people breed dog in kuantan , check it out =)

When feeding a bone of course dont feed the long n sharp part, to prevent anything from happening especially if your dog hasnt change their teeth yet like my 4 mths old chow chow , feed the soft bone .

oh ya.. btw the german shepherd parents(female) also eat pedigree , =) pass away at about 12 yrs old, just before my friend going to college .
Doesnt have any health issue. ( this is might not be same with other dogs)
Not everyone have the same thing rite, and that doesnt make us retard. thx alot, gong xi fa cai



This post has been edited by AntonioKane: Feb 13 2011, 11:06 PM

I wrote out a long reply, then my computer crashed.
So will leave it at this:
I disagree with what you say. There is never an excuse to feed pedigree and i don't care how many dogs you "know" who lived healthily while eating it. The reason we keep telling you about cigarettes and alcohol is not because we are saying just drink or smoke: The reason is, feeding a dog pedigree has health risks, not all dogs will react but the risk is there, just like smoking or drinking (especially a lot) has health risks, not everyone gets lung cancer and kidney failure, but would you smoke 40cigs a day and down a bottle of JD for breakfast if i told you my uncle did so and lived to be 90 before being hit by a truck? This is why your argument about "my neighbour/brother/cousin/friend's dog who ate _____ their whole life and were really healthy" is not a good argument (hence my "retarded argument" comment).

Also a breeder should feed very good quality kibble, if you can't afford to do that.. don't breed, simple. Breeding is not a money making endeavor when done correctly. Breeding for profit is the main reason so many dogs in Malaysia have bad skin problems and such.

I don't really want to carry on with this as the thread is for people who want help giving their dog the best nutrition they can... There are foods out there that are a million times better than pedigree at a pretty similar price. Alternatively i suggest to people on a tighter budget to mix a decent kibble with rice to make it more economical (which is more nutritious than feeding pedigree).

For a 3kg pack, an average small breed dog should consume about 1 month to 1 1/2 month. As for Evo food, please do not over feed them as the kcal/cup (energy maintenance) and nutrition content inside the food is higher than most of the dog food in the market. If you feed more than the required amount, normally the dog will go into a state of diarrhea as it is over-nutrition. This is the same for athlete's who consume powerbar, too much of powerbar will make that athlete's goes into laxative effect which is the same as diarrhea. You can always mixed with other food brand for starters. After a while you puppy should get used to it. It's advisable to keep to the recommended feeding on the bag. If you feel he/she still not full maybe you can give some treats.

Not sure if mid-valley selling evo or wellness. Sorry.

Just to share that my toy poodle has been eating Go! Natural dry dog food and MyBeau (2 pumps daily) for the past 7 months. She just turned 1 year old yesterday, has grown to a 12 inch tall dog which has exceeded the standard toy poodle size. I don't know if we overfed her or she has been getting very good nutrients. She is very fit, healthy with super soft fur but she is big when comparing with other toy poodles. I have been feeding her 0.8 cup of Go! Natural, which is 65% of the recommended portion 1.25 cup for puppy. I don't know if she should have been fed less or it was all about her gene.

Dogs are scavengers and can survive on eating rotting meat from dead animals, I wouldn't be surprised if they can survive on cheap dog food. However, not all dogs can survive on just scraps and rotting meat, so there are those who die/fall sick from it. Once in awhile we may see a dog or cat that looks like they're absolutely thriving on Pedigree, Whiskas or Friskies, but there are actually more cases of these foods causing more problems.

I had a mongrel that was raised on cooked chicken neck, cook rice and vegetables. Occasionally I gave him my milo when I couldn't finish it. This was about 14 years ago when I didn't know anything about dog care. I was around 9 to 10 years old. We fed him whatever left over cooked chicken bones too. But when he was around 4 years old I started learning about dog care and switched him to Eukanuba. A year later I moved on to super premium and holistic brands.

This mongrel of mine lived for 11 years. He actually could have lived longer but my father decided to cut costs and bought Attaboy from a supermarket. A month later he died from insulinoma. From what I heard, he is the first dog diagnosed with insulinoma in Malaysia. He died while seizuring, do u know what it feels like to see your childhood friend seizure and seizure and seizure and you can't do anything about it? It was so painful that I still sometimes cry or my eyes tear up, like now.

It could have been the milo, it could have been the cheapo dog food, it could have been any of the rubbish that we fed him while we didn't know it was good or bad for him. What I'm trying to say is, just cuz the dog looks fine doesn't mean they are fine internally. A dog can look perfectly healthy but die the next day. Autopsy then may reveal that it actually did damage inside the dog but didn't show externally.

My dad keeps saying 11years old is OLD for a mongrel. Come on! He looked great! He looked like he could live another 5 years or something, but internally I cannot say for sure.

Better be safe than sorry. I would not wish for the same kind of thing to happen to any owner that cares for their pet.

Oh speaking about cats, my sister's cat was raised on snappy toms, IAMS, Blackwood, Avoderm & other mediocre cat food. Again, my 'wonderful' dad decided to cut cost, he bought Friskies and Whiskas. About 2 weeks later he fell so sick that he could not walk. He had bladder stones which blocked his urinary tract so his couldn't pee. His vet bill came up to RM600 cuz my dad decided not to tell us he was sick so the toxins from his pee entered his bloodstream. He made a full recovery and my dad learned after that that animals need decent food too after very expensive vet bills and the death of my first dog. I won't blame my dad cuz he doesn't know much about pet food. He thinks they can eat everything and anything, so to him cheap pet food is still pet food, 'Since it's made for dogs it should be fine for dogs, I'll just not let my daughter know' was what he thought when he bought the food. During this period I was living away from my parents due to personal reasons, so I was not able to keep an eye on the pet food. At least now I know he won't repeat it.

This post has been edited by Reanne: Feb 15 2011, 02:10 AM

Well said. You made a very good point there. It is a common believe amongst the public now that dogs have a certain lifespan and that each and every dog should adhere to it. I was at a pet shop once and I overheard the sales assistant informing a customer that the average lifespan for small breed dogs is 6-10 yrs, while bigger breeds lives slightly longer, about 10-12 years. It is much to my dismay and horror that a staff of this extremely well-known pet shop is giving such baseless, untrue advice to the public. Not only is she giving an expiry date for a living being, she also got her facts very wrong as it is known that bigger breeds tend to age faster than smaller breeds.

Perhaps many do not know that the oldest dog ever live actually survive to a good age of 29. According to an article in the Dog World magazine a few months back, it is common now for dogs to be in their late teens to their twenties. A beagle that died at the age of 28 holds the Guinness record for the oldest living dog. There were also yorkshire terriers that lives to be 26, a labrador that's 25, mutts that are still going strong at 20 plus. So what made anyone think that a dog dying at 12 is normal?

My poodle is fed on pedigree and other cheap supermarket brands for almost half his life. It was during this period when he develop cataracts when he was 5, a cancerous prostate, many tumor-like lumps all over, and a very bad heart disorder. He had since switched to home-cooked food and though he is blind from the irreversible cataracts, he is 16 and is still going strong. His teeth are all still intact, with just one missing incisor.

I've had friends telling me their dogs died of old age. When asked what age, it is most often 6, or 7, or the occasional 10 or 11. And they all died of many avoidable degenerative diseases like cancer, or diabetes, or heart failure. But to the public, to die of cancer or any other diseases are considered dying of old age. What were they fed on? The convenience of supermarket brand pet food.

hi guys, i am using neutram for my pup, almost finishing d dog food, my wife discovers a single "black colored worm" unfortunately she crushed it before she got a pic of it... any ideas what it could be?

Hi!

Anyone knows where to get such supplements for dogs and what are their price range like?

-Salmon oil
-My Beau
-Health & Shine

Also, is there any alternatives to Salmon Oil? I am afraid it will be a bit too costly, but was told that Cod Liver's Oil is too rich in Vit A. Would Olive Oil or normal Fish Oil work? And how often do I need to feed my dog these supplements?

You could probably use fish oil as a slightly cheaper alternative? Another thing of note is to always make sure your dog gets sufficient Vitamin E if you're supplementing it's diet with fish oil. This is because fish oil or other omega fatty acid supplements can cause Vitamin E deficiency.

I feed fish oil capsules because omega 3 fatty acids are fragile and can very easily be destroyed by heat light and air. They are not present in many foods and even if contained in commercial foods, can lose their effectiveness during storage. As for dosages, the recommended dosages are:

Vitamin E minimum dosage:
0-25 pounds – 50-100 IUs
25-50 pounds 100-200 IUs
50-75 pounds 400 IUs
75- 100 pounds 400-800 IUs
Omega-3 fatty acid minimum dosage:
0-25 pounds – 100 mg
25-50 pounds – 250 mg
50-75 pounds – 500 mg
100 pounds – 1000 mg

Info regarding dosages have been taken from website below.

http://www.b-naturals.com/newsletter/suppl...-for-daily-use/
http://www.b-naturals.com/newsletter/feedi...-december-2009/

Hope this helps.

Hi, actually i just bought this brand for my siberian husky~

Brit care salmon all bred- salmon& potato

the ingredients is:
Protein 25 %
Fat 15 %
Moisture 10 %
Ash 5,5 %
Fibre 2,5 %
Calcium 1,1 %
Phosphorus 0,8 %
Vitamin A 20000 IU
Vitamin D3 1500 IU
Vitamin E 500 mg

http://www.brit-petfood.com/food-for-dogs/...salmon-potato/7

Is it good or what?

Anyone knows when will this Acana Ranchlands will out and arrive Malaysia? Wait this out, then i will change from raw food to kibble

My 3 months old golden retriever has this itch on his tail, leg, hand and ears that he keeps scratching or biting.
I do not see fleas or ticks and even spray him with FRONTLINE just in case, but it didnt help.
There isnt any bites or patches of bold area from his scratching/bites but just a little of 'dandruff' on his tail end.
Till today, he has a total of 3 quick baths using ALL systems' conditioning shampoo.

I have been feeding him with Natural Balance Lamb & Rice since he weaned.
He has 3-4 meals a day, each time about 0.5 cup, which i try to increase bit by bit, but he is not gaining weight!
He looks like a skinny pup, and for a 3 mths old I think he is a little underweight at just 9kg.
But then again, he runs around the house, chasing his mom almost the whole day, everyday.
I'm thinking of mixing Eukanuba Lamb & Rice puppy kibbles with his Natural Balance food.
His breeder has been feeding his other dogs Eukanuba and they turn out really good........

I need advice to solve his itch problem and if i should switch to different food for him.
His mom, my 1st golden has been on natural balance ultra premium formula for years.

Note: Puppy recovered from Parvovirus 3 weeks ago and is back to his old self. I freaked out when I first learned that he was infected and had almost the whole house bleached from top to bottom. Till now, I am still bleaching the house, especially the places that he hangs out often. Do you think that caused the itch? and not the food or shampoo?

here's a wild idea, why not increase the food volume for your skinny pup instead of using Ekunuba?
No appetite? supplement with a tbl spoon of plain low fat yogurt 15 minutes before a meal.

You cannot bath the dog more than once a week.
Dog skin needs body oils to keep it from drying and flaking.
Each time you bathe it, those important oils are removed.
Brushing with a pin brush once/twice a day (100 strokes) helps in promoting the oils to be generated by the skin.

This post has been edited by mecharojak: Feb 19 2011, 01:22 PM

hi! i have a 6 month old toy poodle. his stool is very soft since i started feeding him with vegetarian addiction. has anyone tried it before?

Hi all,

I just gotten a toy poodle puppy about 3 weeks ago and i'm new to this. I am currently feeding him Eukanuba puppy small breed as recommended by the pet shop (yes, i know it's rubbish by just browsing through first 2 pages. LoL) and i am planning to switch him slowly to a healthier food.

I am then looking at Orijen Puppy since it earns the highest 6 star rating on dogfoodanalysis and quite a few of you were giving the orijen brand a positive go. However there's this line in the review that catches my eyes :
"The only caution we would make on this food is that the high protein content may make it suitable for adult dogs only, particularly in the case of large breeds."

Now, i would like to keep him as small size as possible without sacrificing his health and punching a hole through my wallet. Is there any suggestion to this? Also, i believe as in most of the cases, not all great products are available in mass malaysian market.

Lastly, i talked to a vet last week and he said to me "i could recommend you the most praised or most expensive food in the world but in the end your dog might not take it as well as you think since all dogs responded differently"
And i think this is quite true as well?

This post has been edited by fx_53_xt: Feb 21 2011, 12:57 PM

Puppies needs lots of proteins and fats to grow.
I don't think toy poodles can grow past it's toy sizing.

Do your own research and observation to find the food your pup are most comfortable with.
Learn to read labels and nutrient content.
Most dog food takes about 3-6 months to see the physical benefits.

Thanks.
Now i have these few in mind for his next pack of food:

(Brand)(Price)(star rating, protein%,fat%,carb%)(no. of meat in first 5 ingredient)

Artemis fresh mix small breed RM42 (4star, 28%, 17%, 48%) (4)
Acana puppy small breed RM56 (5star, 37%, 19%, 36%)(2)
Avoderm puppy RM39 (4star, 29%, 11%, 52%) (1)
Orijen Puppy RM65 (5star, 42%, 18%, 32%) (5)
Now Puppy RM87 (4star, 28%, 18%, 45%)(1)


My poodle is kept at home all the time, exercising about an hour everyday at which some of you expert recommends about 25% protein food for such habits.

Now I noticed that website such as dogfoodanalysis/dogfoodanalyzer ranking system works according to their meat/grain ratio. And at such, all highly ranked food comes with >40% protein.

Therefore they were all deemed not the best for my 3 months old poodle? Any thoughts?

Also, what's the specialty for those which marked as formulated for "small breed puppy" compared to normal ones? marketing gimmick or there truly is special nutrients need for the small breeds?

This post has been edited by fx_53_xt: Feb 21 2011, 01:40 PM

Artemis fresh mix small breed RM42 (4star, 28%, 17%, 48%) (4) with 10% discount in Pet Family, tmn megah. Needs at least 4-6 mths to see improvement in terms of colour & coat density. And pet family or a few other places may not carry this brand anymore due to the reason of slow restocking from the supplier. If u start on this brand, u might need a back-up shud u cant find it anymore at places near u.

Acana..esp if u hv a poodle is well known for causing tear stains and not all range is rated 5 stars. They hv this organic chicken thingy which is quite good - get the holistic one if u must. Avoid beet pulp in its ingredients.

And i've always been curious..since avocados r not good for dogs, i wonder y there r treats n kibbles based on this ingredient??

This post has been edited by huey80: Feb 21 2011, 01:34 PM