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stimix
post Jul 8 2011, 11:22 PM

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Pls dun give misleading info-lah.. There is no Garmin for iphone. Iphone having few GPS navigators and one of them is papago that able to run on the free malfreemaps.

BTW, if it's Garmin (esp those running on Symbian or Winmo platform, there's maps available either malfreemaps or malsingmaps. So do not confuse ppl saying there is no free M'sia maps for Garmin smile.gif
QUOTE(akash3656 @ Jul 8 2011, 12:56 PM)
There is Garmin... But must see whether got map or not for Malaysia.... And u cant manually update the map..... Cos its an iPhone
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post Jul 9 2011, 06:32 AM

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http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/garmin-stre...&ign-mpt=uo%3D4
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post Jul 9 2011, 06:38 AM

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QUOTE(stimix @ Jul 8 2011, 11:22 PM)
BTW, if it's Garmin (esp those running on Symbian or Winmo platform, there's maps available either malfreemaps or malsingmaps. So do not confuse ppl saying there is no free M'sia maps for Garmin  smile.gif
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Can you get free maps of other countries that Garmin can read? Are there things like Australiafreemaps or Chinafreemaps made by community that's free likeMalfreemaps?


Added on July 9, 2011, 1:19 pm
QUOTE(stimix @ Jul 7 2011, 06:54 PM)
Garmin no longer support any platform except their own Asus-Garmin dy..Currently Only Symbian & Windows mobile phone able to install this however Nokia S60 & S^3 having 2 bugs still yet to fix 7 no longer any support to rectify the bugs. However still can be used.

You can't buy this Garmin MXT anymore & hv to look for unker google help liao..or..
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I just checked with Garmin website. Seems like they have one for Blackberry. Buying software is an one-off thing but the maps are expensive costing USD150 per region.


Added on July 10, 2011, 8:09 pm
QUOTE(stimix @ Jul 5 2011, 04:30 PM)
Other than Garmin & Papago which having weekly & Monthly updates respectively from malfreemaps or malsingmaps (For Garmin wth Junction view), Other Navigators are really pain in the ass...Even Ovimaps..superior interm of UI & etc but lack in road & POIs..
I compared Garmin with OVI and found:

1. OVI seems to be able to start calculating route faster from the word 'go'. This is expected because of better integration since hardware and software are from the same manufacturer.

2. There is an 20+ years old housing estate bitumen road and surprise surprise, OVI shows the road but latest Malfreemap say no road. Beside that one surprise I encountered, I find Malfreemaps generally having more road coverage.

3. Search function on Garmin is vastly superior. But both can't search using coordinate without creating Landmark or My Location first.

4. OVI seems to give more precise turn-by-turn instruction and when you are just about to turn, it will tell you to turn. While Garmin does give advanced turn instruction but at the precise moment of turning, it sometimes kept totally quiet.

5. Garmin seems to be able to lock onto satellite a split second faster. Both on AGPS.

6. Without saying, malfreemaps has tons of POI whereas OVI only have a few kilogram. But personal view says OVI UI is nicer.

7. May be I don't know how with Garmin but with OVI, I can switch to Satellite views if I wanted to.

8. Garmin allows you to send your location to friends via SMS but not OVI.



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post Jul 10 2011, 11:45 PM

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garmin xt:
pros:
1. can set custom avoidance: area or road
2. can give u direction of all POI (with arrow of direction) from your current location
3. can set custom route ahead and call out when needed
4. can track
5. intergrate with mapsource make backup and manage
"my location" easier
6. can search POI "current route"
7. 2 weeks update of malfreemap (where to find such latest map in this world)??
8. SBAS works with gps bluetooth receiver
9. multiple maps

cons:
1. no north arrow at map (this arrow is useful when u r at pedesterian mode)

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i've travelled to china and HK with garmin xt on 5800.
she never failed me.

i'm sorry for papago and ovi map for ur CMI.

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post Jul 11 2011, 12:38 AM

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There is garmin for iphone but u cant install map . I tested it before on my ipad


Added on July 11, 2011, 12:39 amCorrection MFM updates weekly

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post Jul 11 2011, 06:31 AM

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QUOTE(jigc @ Jul 10 2011, 11:45 PM)

i've travelled to china and HK with garmin xt on 5800.
she never failed me.
You got free map for China or do you have to pay? If free, where?

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post Jul 11 2011, 09:49 PM

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try here, mate:

http://www.noeman.org/gsm/garmin-maps/
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post Jul 11 2011, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(jigc @ Jul 11 2011, 09:49 PM)
This sure is very interesting indeed. Thanks.

But since it Garmin only work in Symbian and BB, I guess still stuck with these 2 phones.


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post Jul 12 2011, 12:01 AM

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For sure Garmin having lack of world maps-lah.. Anyway, you can Dl, whole Indonesia maps from nagigasi.net, Phillipines & etc if you google. Those are free maps similar to malsingmaps & malfreemaps. There are others as well such as New Zealand & else where..Otherwise there is a database on other countries via http://mapcenter.cgpsmapper.com/catalogue.php (Well not so detail). Anyway, Agreed that ovimaps is superior on overall world maps other than Malaysia, Thailand & indonesia haha.. biggrin.gif

On your comparison, not a suprise..I found lotsa OLDER roads not in malfreemaps too and lotsa backlanes, sidelanes & factory roads on ovimaps but not in malfreemaps.. reason been..those roads probably not useable anymore, no one track those roads, guarded by guards, & lotsa obstacles that trackers can't enter... smile.gif teleatlas, the maps supplier for Ovimaps probably traced those roads from Googlemaps/google earth & draw...Well lotsa errors bcos googlemaps having alliggnment error & certain roads already no longer there but they still traced it. smile.gif

Malfreemaps based on contribution & lotsa new areas..are awaiting tracker/mappers to tracks & they do have lotsa volunteers there...inc me haha biggrin.gif

QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Jul 9 2011, 06:38 AM)
Can you get free maps of other countries that Garmin can read? Are there things like Australiafreemaps or Chinafreemaps made by community that's free likeMalfreemaps?


Added on July 9, 2011, 1:19 pm

I just checked with Garmin website. Seems like they have one for Blackberry. Buying software is an one-off thing but the maps are expensive costing USD150 per region.


Added on July 10, 2011, 8:09 pm

I compared Garmin with OVI and found:

2. There is an 20+ years old housing estate bitumen road and surprise surprise, OVI shows the road but latest Malfreemap say no road. Beside that one surprise I encountered, I find Malfreemaps generally having more road coverage.

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QUOTE(stimix @ Jul 12 2011, 12:01 AM)
On your comparison, not a suprise..I found lotsa OLDER roads not in malfreemaps too and lotsa backlanes, sidelanes & factory roads on ovimaps but not in malfreemaps.. reason been..those roads probably not useable anymore, no one track those roads, guarded by guards, & lotsa obstacles that trackers can't enter... smile.gif  teleatlas, the maps supplier for Ovimaps probably traced those roads from Googlemaps/google earth & draw...Well lotsa errors bcos googlemaps having alliggnment error & certain roads already no longer there but they still traced it.  smile.gif

Malfreemaps based on contribution & lotsa new areas..are awaiting tracker/mappers to tracks & they do have lotsa volunteers there...inc me haha  biggrin.gif
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Recently I found more road missing (or incomplete meaning it is supposed to join up to a major road but it just stop halfway for no apparent reason) in Malfreemaps but are in OVI maps and these roads are still in active use by the general public and in constant repair by the local authorities. If indeed OVI uses Google maps to draw those road, why can't Malfreemaps?

As for voice instruction, I am beginning to conclude OVI may indeed be superior.

As for contribution, I would like to but don't know how. Seen some instruction but too technical for newbies like me. I sure would like to fix those missing roads. And some of those mainly community build rural non-bitumen road I frequented that is not on any map.

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post Jul 12 2011, 07:24 AM

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Can be traceb but not accurate lor bcos of the alignment. Well depending on mapper wehther free to draw or not. contributed tracks is more valued compare to google maps trace. & certain backlanes & factories roads actually not really useful & thus excluded (Not all). Overall, on latest new roads- & whole urban areas in Malaysia - malfreemaps superior but on very old, factory road, backlanes - Ovimaps.

Voice instruction- Yes ovimaps better but Routing error is terrible in ovimaps lor & the fact or the major new highways & etc not in the maps..

Yeah those community built roads in rural areas should be included...BTW, to contribute using your nokia, try race chrono or sport tracker on how to record GPS track...thereafter the recorded track can be contribute. also you can DL free the Garmin - Mapsource to replay your recorded track and view it or even playback on google maps/ google earth
QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Jul 12 2011, 06:29 AM)
Recently I found more road missing (or incomplete meaning it is supposed to join up to a major road but it just stop halfway for no apparent reason) in Malfreemaps but are in OVI maps and these roads are still in active use by the general public and in constant repair by the local authorities. If indeed OVI uses Google maps to draw those road, why can't Malfreemaps?

As for voice instruction, I am beginning to conclude OVI may indeed be superior.

As for contribution, I would like to but don't know how. Seen some instruction but too technical for newbies like me. I sure would like to fix those missing roads. And some of those mainly community build rural non-bitumen road I frequented that is not on any map.
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post Jul 12 2011, 08:22 AM

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QUOTE(stimix @ Jul 12 2011, 07:24 AM)
Can be traceb but not accurate lor bcos of the alignment. Well depending on mapper wehther free to draw or not. contributed tracks is more valued compare to google maps trace. & certain backlanes & factories roads actually not really useful & thus excluded (Not all). Overall, on latest new roads- & whole urban areas in Malaysia - malfreemaps superior but on very old, factory road, backlanes - Ovimaps.

Voice instruction- Yes ovimaps better but Routing error is terrible in ovimaps lor & the fact or the major new highways & etc not in the maps..

Yeah those community built roads in rural areas should be included...BTW, to contribute using your nokia, try race chrono or sport tracker on how to record GPS track...thereafter the recorded track can be contribute. also you can DL free the Garmin - Mapsource to replay your recorded track and view it or even playback on google maps/ google earth
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LOL I have Sport Tracker but never use. I thought it's only suitable for short running track and didn't know it can be used to record long.....say 50 or 100-km driving distance.

On voice instruction. I just found how bad Garmin can be. For example, it told me to turn left and a split second later, told me to keep right rclxub.gif

Not to say there are no mistakes with OVI but those are typically telling you to take the longer way but at least it's less confusing.


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My fren house is not in ovi maps. When I was there once I got a locked it show me I am middle of no where. Here garmin is up to date
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im not sure if u can even compare this 2
there isnt any garmin apps for both android and iOS. garmin is used for selected models only, namely asus due to their asus-garmin partnership

papago on the other hand is downloadable and can be used on almost every android/iOS phone.

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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Jul 12 2011, 09:24 AM)
My fren house is not in ovi maps. When I was there once I got a locked it show me I am middle of no where. Here garmin is up to date
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How old are are these housing estate? So far, those I found that are not shown on Malfreemaps are all over 20 to 30 years old housing estate road, still in constant use and non-gated. Of course ignoring those brand new estates that are not shown on both OVI and Malfreemaps

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Garmin good in searching map, papago good in navigation
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about 10 years or so but garmin got road.

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I got another potentially dangerous voice navigation from Garmin tonight.

Dual lane road. 1st got incomplete instruction, only heard the word "left". A second later, I heard the instruction "turn right"......

If I had went to left lane as first instructed and immediately had to turn right (mere 20 meters away), then I would have to immediately cut cross the lane to my right to turn right. It could had ended in an accident by hitting the car on the right lane. Luckily I was just testing Garmin on road I am very familiar with.

In this particular case, Turn Right is the correction direction and I don't know why it said "left" initially.

IMO, Garmin XT definitely got inferior voice navigation compared to OVI V3.04.

I also suspect it also has inferior routing but need further checking out.


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Inferior voice yes on Garmin bcos I luv the graphic & also the voice on Ovi but routing no way inferior lor..Ovi routing is the one dissapoint me few times liao haha
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QUOTE(stimix @ Jul 13 2011, 07:10 AM)
Inferior voice yes on Garmin bcos I luv the graphic & also the voice on Ovi but routing no way inferior lor..Ovi routing is the one dissapoint me few times liao haha
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