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post Oct 1 2010, 01:18 AM

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QUOTE(Grankaiser @ Sep 30 2010, 11:32 PM)

Thanks for this great step but may i know Primer/surfacer for what purpose?
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QUOTE(Impulse10 @ Oct 1 2010, 12:46 AM)
surfacer coating is useful for filling in bumps, dents, scratches, for removing bubbles, texturing and finishing bases for preparation of airbrushing or painting.
primer act as surfacer i guess??
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as mentioned above
the purpose is to cover scratches from the sanding you've made on your kit. It also used for modding to check errors and etc.
most important is, it lets your paint "stick" better on the kit. smile.gif
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post Oct 1 2010, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(funnyface @ Oct 1 2010, 11:29 AM)
380....quite OK la, but i can buy 55 DPI spray cans with that... sweat.gif
But i have to admit Spray can effect cant match AB though wink.gif , and much more works as some pieces might screw up becoz cant control pressure in spray can doh.gif
but 380 is just starting cost, thinner and electric bill are the one killed me... sweat.gif
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thinner is expensive but can last you very long... i bought the 2nd biggest hobby thinner that time almost 2 years also not finished.. lol
electric bill wont be so expensive la.. i dont think the compressor uses a lot of electricity also

QUOTE(shauno @ Oct 1 2010, 11:52 AM)
power consumption is super low la.. its like 1/8hp only.. besides, get one with a tank and you don't need to turn it on all the time.. as for thinner, use industrial for cleaning la.. for thinning paint then only use modelling thinner loh.. we spend so much on a kit already, might as well spend that little bit more to get it done nicely..

modelling is a relatively cheap hobby lo.. compared to photography, or people who race cars.. fuh.. petrol one week also more than thinner for one
year lo.. lol
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That is actually the right way.. lol.. i can't imagine someone so crazy use hobby thinner to wash their ab...
Well said!!! though it'll be expensive if you get a lot of tools and stuff but overall still can't compare to photography and car icon_idea.gif



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post Oct 20 2010, 09:15 PM

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modelers paint the whole thing...
are you one ? whistling.gif
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post Oct 24 2010, 08:29 PM

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QUOTE(Grankaiser @ Oct 24 2010, 08:22 PM)
what isĀ  surfacer use for?
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- makes your paint stick better
- covers the scratches from your sanding
- check/covers any uneven places


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Primer(spray cans)/Surfacer(Airbrush use) <-- Same thing
- Spraying primer on your model before you paint will give the paint a surface to better adhere to rather tan bare plastic

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/488910


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post Oct 28 2010, 09:10 AM

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QUOTE(HoNeYdEwBoY @ Oct 28 2010, 05:41 AM)
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guys this is the few thing i dont understand can explain to me ? tq. And which primer is suitable for normal painting?
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if you're new to painting, can skip the bottom 2 first cause it's meant for pre-shading.
The first 2 layers mean.
when you want to to panel line washing, you have to put gloss coat first so that when you panel line wash, the paint will flow smoothly on the lines.
"must be different paint from previous layer" means, assuming you paint your base layer with lacquer/acrylic paint then you'll have to use enamel paint as panel line washing because these paints won't react together(mix). Unlike lacquer and acrylic, they don't go well together hence base layer paints are either lacquer or acrylic most of the time.. enamel also can..

there's 2 type of primer/surfacer, both are the same
gray - normal use for all colors
white - this is just to brighten your colors like yellow, etc.

if you spray the gray one and spray the yellow, it might not look so sharp therefore, the white surfacer comes in

I'll just give you simple steps of painting gunpla
Pre-assemble kit -> Sanding -> primer/surfacer -> base paint -> gloss coat(can skip if your base paint is alr gloss) -> panel line -> topcoat(gloss,semi,flat)(can skip if you want) -> decals -> final topcoat of your choice

hope that helps
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post Oct 28 2010, 09:23 AM

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QUOTE(HoNeYdEwBoY @ Oct 28 2010, 09:18 AM)
tq bro, the surfacer got different number. so got what effect?
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so you're into AB?
there's 3.
500, 1000, 1200
the numbers are like sand paper grits
500 is a bit rough for certain effects
1000 and 1200 not much difference but AB just go for 1200 smile.gif
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post Oct 28 2010, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(HoNeYdEwBoY @ Oct 28 2010, 09:29 AM)
i use only the normal hand paint sweat.gif the oil base i guess.
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oh.. hand paint...
if hand paint get primer spray can dont get the bottle type, it's meant for AB use only.. even if you try to hand paint it, it won't look good..
for primer/surfacer, you need to have a smooth layer...
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post Oct 28 2010, 10:04 AM

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yes...
get the bigger one..
and learn how to spray properly if not wasted.. lol
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post Oct 31 2010, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(stanleysum @ Oct 31 2010, 01:41 PM)
it is kinda hard to buy Mr. Super Clear nowaday... anyone know where else can i get some biggrin.gif or should i go for AB instead?
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If can invest for AB then go ahead, you'll never regret it...
Topcoat using AB , the risk of getting frosting is so low compare to spray can types
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post Oct 31 2010, 09:59 PM

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QUOTE(Grankaiser @ Oct 31 2010, 07:21 PM)
is that Top coat is a must or optional?
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It's always up to you but people of course will recommend you to do it... Topcoat is meant to protect your paint and give the effect of flat, gloss, etc

QUOTE(stanleysum @ Oct 31 2010, 09:29 PM)
lol.. i guess i have to agree with you. alright then, AB here i come biggrin.gif in the near future of course  tongue.gif


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You'll never regret if u get AB because it's a long time investment. If you're really into gunpla then it's worth it...
You can mix paints or any effects you want for your kit with the control of your finger tips
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post Oct 31 2010, 10:19 PM

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QUOTE(HoNeYdEwBoY @ Oct 31 2010, 10:00 PM)
tolong~ i cannot get rid of the seamline ><.

i use mr.cement then use a 600 and 800 sand paper also no use =\
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if can provide picture, see how deep or wide is the gap of the seam line..
when you put cement, it's best to wait for hours OR until the next day before sanding it..
lower grit sandpaper is for getting rib of nibs.. don't have to use so low to get rid of seam lines unless quite wide...
just use 800-1000 also enough d..
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QUOTE(C-Terahertz @ Nov 1 2010, 12:09 AM)
Could be never glue properly also... will need putty to patch up if like that.
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yea, that is why need to see picture to clarify

QUOTE(HoNeYdEwBoY @ Nov 1 2010, 12:48 AM)
user posted image
user posted image
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guys you all help me see is that gold is ok? the first one and second. the last one is default one never spray.
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like no difference...
the gold looks rough therefore dont have the "shininess"
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post Nov 3 2010, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(HoNeYdEwBoY @ Nov 3 2010, 05:07 PM)
can ecoplay kit to be paint?
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lol... any kit can be painted dude..
ecoplay is just re-used recycled plastic.. that's all...
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QUOTE(HoNeYdEwBoY @ Nov 3 2010, 05:49 PM)
getting a injection machine sweat.gif hope can paint nicely hehe. about the seamline i also hardly yet understand to fix it..
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i see...
seamline is just a gap of 2 parts when "combine" together..
depends how deep or wide it is, you may need putty to cover it..
If it's just a small line cement will do.. once dry can start sanding and the seam line will blend together and when prime, it'll be unnoticeable.
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QUOTE(TOROBO @ Nov 10 2010, 11:53 PM)
surely must try that later,hehehehe.
thanks for the tip.. xD
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try to shape it a bit when it gets a little harder..
after 24 hours, it'll be TOO HARD to sand... you sand until you wanna cry biggrin.gif
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post Nov 11 2010, 06:06 PM

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QUOTE(blowsperior @ Nov 11 2010, 03:00 PM)
Hi shauno & z3r0717,

As far I can gather information from this thread, one of Epoxy Putty's usage is use to fill in large hole. So, may I know what is the different usage between Epoxy Putty and Polyester Putty? Thank you.
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epoxy putty is suitable for filling up holes like those SD kits where the legs or hands have huge holes...
Polyester putty is also suitable to cover holes BUT not deeps holes like the SD.. Polyester putty is very suitable for reshaping parts. It also has a very strong smell which is not good for health so make sure to have a good ventilation.
Example use for polyester, let's say u want the part to be round, u can use polyester putty and let it dry for a day and then start sanding. It easy very easy to sand but the dust is also quite harmful to health.. lol
user posted image
can you see the green colored parts? those are polyester putty and this is from keita(one of the most popular gunpla masters in Japan)

QUOTE(shauno @ Nov 11 2010, 03:53 PM)
i see where my problems are already. i let it cure fully..  rclxub.gif
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lol... once fully cured it's hard as stoned, you don't want to sand a stone
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post Nov 12 2010, 04:22 PM

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i think it's different...
glow in the dark paint does glow in the dark where as
Fluorescent paint does not, it reacts to UV lights which gives like a glowing effect..
As for what brand and where to get i do not know but you can try asking if tkting(forumer) bring this paint anot
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QUOTE(zheyuen @ Nov 17 2010, 10:45 AM)
are there any "tutorials" in using a spray can? i rmb one i was using an industrial spray can for my KH project but the colour isnt vry smooth. maybe because it is an industrial spray can and not my skill?  tongue.gif .

i rmb once a long long time ago someone in this forums ( someone with a gundam helmet, if not mistaken.  tongue.gif . ) used a brand of industrial spray can called nippon pylox on gundams and said it is pretty good. is it a good replacement for normal model spray paints?
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QUOTE(wansirpunk @ Nov 17 2010, 10:49 AM)
usually when u guys scribe additional panel line...its based on your creativity or is there any references?
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both...
those with design talents know where to put/add..
and those like me without the talents will use references...
Most important is you have to find is it relevant and not just simply putting it. smile.gif
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QUOTE(wansirpunk @ Nov 17 2010, 02:30 PM)
is there any specific modeler or website that can give u idea about the panel line?
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er... usually i just look at those japanese modeler's work and reference or local modelers. smile.gif
one of the jap modelers i respect
http://www.geocities.jp/a2crafts/gallery.html
some of his works have panel lines, hope it helps
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QUOTE(zheyuen @ Nov 17 2010, 07:32 PM)
oh yea! i rmb you. before this u have another creepy gundam helmet avatar. animated summre. lol.

so, is nippon pylox good? i rmb u used them urself last time. after top coating it, does it look nice?

i too long didnt come here read, i forgot. lol.
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lol.. yea.. the animated one scared too many ppl..

Is it good? well, a good replacement for hobby spray cans(since they are expensive)
You have to always keep note that nippon pylox are meant for industrial use but for plastics still ok
When you spray, try not to spray too thick as the air pressure is very strong.
After top coating it, of course it does look nice.. but if you're using spray can type top coats, have to be cautions too as frosting might appear.

Method to spray is spray from left to right covering the area you desire.
Try not to spray too long as it gets thick..
1-2 layers is sufficient unless you need a third.
Spray distance 30 cm..

Test it on a runner to get the feel.
Hope it helps smile.gif


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