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rayloke
post Dec 29 2010, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Dec 27 2010, 11:40 PM)
May I know why only option 2 need to dry 2-3days for top coat?

Why do we need so many layers of top coat before we put on the chrome? Won't the 1st sand/compound work be smooth enough?
- sorry, being lazy.... basically any top coat  if one needs to wet sand n compound, is always advisable to let the paint fully cure n dry.



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Why for Gunze Metallic we need to wet sand the metallic, won't it remove the shine? Or applies if it's not good in order to reapply the top paint?
- basically, our air is dirty. Hence there's almost impossible to create a 100% perfect spray layer condition. That's the reason why sanding n compounding is almost necessary. Even for real car paint spraying.

The wet sand n compound part is a very delicate process. need to remove any tiny dust trapped by the paint. But one cannot compound or sand too much. Once over do it, the shine will lost.



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Why are top coats not required for finishing? Won't it get scratched easily without top coat?
- Yes, it will be scratched easily. Unfortunately for metalizer paint or chrome powder, even aclad chrome or super metallic chrome paint; the particale of the paint is either weak or unstable.

for metalizer, the paint molecule is unstable, so when u rub/buff onto them, the paint molecule rearrange themselves and result in a chrome like finishing visually.

Even for Aclad chrome or SM chrome, the molecule tends to "float" on top of the bottom paint; means it's not as stable as paint that "grabs" on to the surface. As a result of this unstable condition, it presents a chrome like visual.

Of course there r people coat or spray transparent paint on top of aclad  chrome or SM (super metallic) Chrome. However to me it defeats the purpose of using these paint. Because once u apply anything on top, although u ll still get a metallic silver effect, basically u will lose the mirror like chrome effect, which is the main purpose of using the expensive Aclad Chrome.

So for kits that r done with chrome finish, spray the kit  seperately, adjust the inner frame more or less to the final pose u want, then only assemble. After assembly, only do minor adjustment to the pose. Definitely no more touching or playing with it after that.



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Also is there any tips to use air gun to prevent "fur" like paint particles? It depends on gun quality, or paint mixture?
- "fur"? u means something like spider web? mainly due to mixture ratio


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post Jan 21 2011, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(XiuKeong @ Jan 16 2011, 08:40 PM)
I want to ask about painting. I planning to paint my car with pearl white. Should I paint a black undercoat first?
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This is very hard to explain; which i ll skip all the explanation.

Yes u could do that. balck base coat. but it will look very metallic.

if u want it look like pearl white at cars we normally see, i recommend to use pure white as base paint.
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post Feb 23 2011, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(anglewhite @ Feb 17 2011, 08:42 AM)
Need some help guys....
i just make a paper craft 1/1 masker rider helm....
i wan to make if harder(keras)
wat i need to use???
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I know this guy who is crazy about paper model right now; he just built a 6 feet Mazinger outta paper now displayed in Famitoys.

I dun know here, but in zeroG forum, his nick is honeymic. i think he can gives u some tips about paper modeling.
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post Mar 15 2011, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(unpronunceable @ Mar 11 2011, 02:03 PM)
icon_question.gif guys anyone know where to find bondite? (i mean easy to reach places by public transport)Bangi/KL icon_question.gif
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Hardware shop. Just tell the Apek u want epoxy putty, the one with 2 parts, looks like Plastestine.

I dont know the hardware shop in Bangi.
rayloke
post Mar 22 2011, 12:57 PM

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I m here, lol.

here's the map:
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and a brief description of the workshop:
http://forum.zerogunz.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=8201



If u stay or work near PJ area, feel free to come visit, lepak, or even bring your kit to work here to work.

We dont do postage, so if u r thinking of getting tools n paints by postage, these 2 r pretty good choices:


oldman's Hobbies Corner : http://www.hobbiescorner.com/

Tkting's Mgs2u : http://mgs2u.com/shop/

This post has been edited by rayloke: Mar 22 2011, 12:58 PM
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post Apr 19 2011, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(vendetta87 @ Apr 18 2011, 05:43 PM)
i heard spray cans very ugly bro...can some1 help borrow spraygun ? willing to pay brows.gif
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Actually hand paint, spray can, n air brush r merely ways of painting. Each has its strong n weak points, and luckily, result is depends on the skill of the modelers.

There r modelers, due to various reasons, who cannot use air brush to paint big flat surface, but they still able to achive good result.

Eg,

1) 2008 World Bakuc Champion (Philippines) entry, all sprayed parts r fully done by spray can.

2) 2010 Malaysia Bakuc Champion (Centaur Unicorn) part of the unicorn is actually spray can.

3) 2010 Malaysia Bakuc Entry, Ex-S Gundam http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cvgW2tuxttA/TOwI...00/DSC02382.JPG
(This is fully han painted, very impressive!)


As for loan of hand piece, as Shauno mentioned, though a hand piece can last for years, but it can be easily spoiled......

If u stay in PJ area, u can actually just purchase a hand piece, n utilize my place's spray booth n compressor (free for use); or if in Ampang area, i heard AfHobby use to have spray booth for modelers to work on too (Not sure they still have it, u can call n check)

With this, at least ur initial cost will not be so high, coz no need to buy compressor.

Btw, 1/48 scale, if u r building AFV, tank n figures, definitely no problem for hand paint. For plane it's a little big, but still, there r people who can achieve great result; so if u really have problem with ab, u can always explore other options.
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post Apr 21 2011, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(vendetta87 @ Apr 19 2011, 02:07 PM)
bro...its this 1....a hand piece cost 2-300, thats quite alot considering that i might only buy 1 or 2 more models in the future....btw, do u do painting for others ? willing to pay....

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if u r interested in commissioning someone to do it for ya, i can intro a forum to u where many of them r actually plane builders, u can ask, check the price, n browse their folio.

This is a thread about modeling technique n Q&A, so not convenient to intro other forum here, so if u r really keen, can pm me.


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post May 13 2011, 01:11 PM

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Haha, this is a very tricky question. Basically shininess is not a color, not a certain wave length of ray that goes into our eyes. In fact, shininess, generally is more likely to be refered to a combination n clarity of highlights n shadow. In other words, it's the smoothness of the surface that interpreted by our eyes to determine how shiny we want to label it as.

Ok, i think this is not what u r seeking for; just in case u r interested in learning a little more about colors n vision.

For gold paint, mebbe u can try Mr hobby's super metallic series, or the Gaia star bright. Personally, I would prefer the SM series.
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post May 23 2011, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(Tiger I @ May 22 2011, 02:03 PM)
Hello guys, if I may, I would like to ask regarding chrome powder. Where can I obtained it in vicinity of KL? Is it sold in BTS area? I read some article regarding it, they use black gloss before using the powder. Can other colours be used as well i.e. white gloss?

Thank you in advance smile.gif
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Check out the link, n the effect: http://z12.invisionfree.com/ScaleModelsMal...=0#entry3153683
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post Jun 6 2011, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(hellforce @ Jun 2 2011, 02:28 PM)
dear pros

i would like to seek your advice on how to removed a glued item.
Recently i bought a model which the joint is glued.

I would like to un-glued it so i can fix on the joint . Appreciate your feedback on this .

If a tool is needed please also advice where i could probably get 1  notworthy.gif
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first u need to let us know what glue's used to glue the plastic part.

If super glue, actually u can just browse thru a few pages in the thread. Someone just asked the same question n others had been answering it.
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post Jun 10 2011, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(Wira Hikari @ Jun 9 2011, 10:08 PM)
Well i really have 0% knowledge on modelling painting so i was under the impression that gundam marker was also an alternative to colouring the kits besides those bottled or spray paints  hmm.gif anyway thanks for the tip though, at least now i know i wouldn't resolve to repaint my entire kit with just gundam markers.

oh and how you guys usually coat your gundams? pieces by pieces on the runner or the whole figure once it has been fully assembled?
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I would favor more to Shauno's way. I top coat piece by piece, just like i m doing paint onto the part.

Actually the material we use (generally) to top coat is call "clear". It's actually the pretty much the same thing as paint. Paint = resin* + color Pigment. Clear is = resin* only. Imagine u r painting/spraying color paint; u assemble the kit, then just spray the whole thing with color. U will expect there ll be a lot of places where the paint is very rough, due to air turbulance, paint particle staying too long in the air n get dry before hitting onto the plastic. This is the reason why u will find certain places, the painted surface is rougher than others. This is generally what we refer to as "frosting" when we do that with clear paint- a paint supposed to be clear n colorless, but due to such condition, a layer of whitish surface is formed.

For color - many people spray their kit part by part; while for top coat, they spray whole kit together or pre-assembled certain parts. That explain why people tends to have frosting problem more often during top coat than coloring stage.



*Resin - This is not the resin kit or resin conversion kit type of resin. Though they r in the same family. This resin, is the thing in paint that bonds together when dry n form a layer of solid. Clear resin, u add yellow pigment into it, it will become yellow paint. This is the basic concept of paint.
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post Jun 15 2011, 07:17 PM

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QUOTE(lucasng89 @ Jun 15 2011, 06:48 PM)
Have anyone here have experience of using driller to mod plastic model?  icon_question.gif
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Yes i have. the one used in modeling usually is smaller, generally we call it router.
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post Jun 16 2011, 01:56 AM

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QUOTE(lucasng89 @ Jun 15 2011, 09:14 PM)
can u show me the how it looks?  smile.gif
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http://www.hlj.com/product/WAVHT-181

It comes with different sizes, shapes, n brands. The link is one by Wave. We do carry some routers, different brands, features, n prices too.
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post Jun 19 2011, 02:45 AM

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QUOTE(clivengu @ Jun 16 2011, 09:50 PM)
Recently wanted to start gunpla again... but when I go to Time Machine times square..  I just realised it is no longer there? Did they move to somewhere else or chaplap oredi?

Other than time machine, is there any other place I can get wide range of colour & tools for modeling?  Gunze Sanyo Paint, Surfacer, topcoat, airbrush stuff etc.. Need to get a new Airbrush & replace my broken compressor hose sad.gif

I hope this is the right place to ask this question?
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Hi bro, if u r located in KL area, i would suggest u go either:

AF Hobby (Ampang) - with tools n paints n ab stuff. location somewhere near XL shop HQ. mostly gunpla stuff

HHQ (Jln Tun razak) - fraser business park, the old F&N factory there. Carries all kind of tools n paints n ab too. More of scale model instead of Gunpla.

If u located in PJ:

ICW (Sunwaymas, near Bandar utama n aman suria) - tools, n paint, n ab stuff. mostly gunpla stuff. with work place n other facilities free for usehttp://forum.zerogunz.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=8201 (Hehe, that's my shop)


If u r outstation or prefer mail order:

Hobbiescorner.com (looks for oldman)

Mgs2u.com (boss name is Tkting)

If u want the boss's phone number, lemme know, will pm u.
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post Jun 23 2011, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(Tiger I @ Jun 22 2011, 09:05 PM)
Well, I'm not sure if this is the right place :
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Good that u salvage your kit.

For making it look nice, i think the first think is to sand down the nip marks, cover seamlines etc, do all the fundamental groundwork nicely. Without doing so, any kind of so-called "modification" will look just ameturish n unfinished.

Hope to see the finish kit soon! Gambate icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Jul 7 2011, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(Madz.Madz @ Jul 7 2011, 02:34 PM)
Just a question guys, what Tamiya Enamel color do you suggest to use for rust-like weathering?
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Rust consist of thousands of colors, there's no 1 color can recreate it.

It's just like during school your art class. what water color will u use to paint rust on a piece of color?

look for brown series color, get at least one brown, 1 yellowish brown (eg tan), 1 redish brown. with at least these few colors, u can create realistic rust effect.


QUOTE(amduser @ Jul 7 2011, 02:36 PM)
i wonder what will be the effect is if i spray flat top coat as base then spray another coat of gloss top coat hmm.gif

and also, what's the difference between resin and plastic?
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1. flat first then gloss, u ll just get not very glossy gloss.

2. These r 2 totally different material.
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post Jul 8 2011, 06:01 PM

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QUOTE(amduser @ Jul 8 2011, 01:51 PM)
then what's the difference between resin and plastic?

so far gunpla is all plastic?
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Be more specific. What u wanna know about the difference? chemical composition? methods on working on resin model kits?

Very difficult to answer your question like that le. It's just like asking "what's the difference between plastic and metal?"

So far Bandai's kit are all plastic, in general term. More specific would be PS, PE, ABS.

Resin kit has quite a big difference in handling from injection plastic kit.


One important note: Gunpla is made by Bandai in such a way that it's actually half toy half model kit. Hence even without much work n paint, the kit looks pretty good. On other hand, resin (though now there r some that comes in different color) usually comes in one color. So for those who havent painted fully a kit before, resin is big no no; unless u like your gundam looks yellow color.


Even if your have some experience in painting gunpla kit, with no knowledge on "basic modeling skill", resin is also not recommended.

So what's "basic modeling skill"? a bit hard to explain... mebbe we look at what a resin builder has in his arsenal of tools, u will have a clearer picture what kind of skill level needed.

A resin builder most likely will have:

- drill bits n pin vise, brass rod of various sizes (for connecting pieces together. u need to drill holes on both parts, cut a brass rod n use that to fix n connect, eg the leg to the groin part)

- panel line scribber, chisel (at least some experience in panel line scribing, coz most likely u need to rescribe or make panel lines equal depth n width. Also for wide panel lines, usually need a chisel to flatten the base of the panel line)

- sand paper, sanding block, file set, putty, polyster putter (at least quite confidence in covering seamlines n filling up holes. if u think filling up seamline gap and covering sink hole is troublesome in gunpla, u ll not like the hundreds of tiny "sand hole" - direct translation on resin's surface, which are result of air trapped in the resin.)

- file set, knives, lots of putty (should have experience in tackling mold lines, fitting issue in gunpla. resin suaully have more mold lines n the fitting is not even 50% as good as gunpla. Hence a lot of sanding n minor modification needed. one of the basic task is, if on one piece of part, there r 2 different height surface, u at least should have confidence in making them the same level)

Other stuff that looks like they r not related to modeling:

- thinner, container for water, soap, brush (at least should have some experience in washing n making sure the surface is clean n free of oil in gunpla. If one thinks gunpla surface is 90% clean n oil free, try this: pour some engine onto the gunpla piece, wait for 2 weeks until the oil is dry on the surface; now, let's try clean it off until primer can sit tightly onto the plastic. This is the first thing in Resin building: cleaning)

- hair dryer, heater n other heat generator (resin tends to warp, like 1000% worse than plastic. So is pretty everyday work that u need various ways to heat up and make the warpped part straight again)



I hope i m not too potong stim. btw if u know tkting or mgs2u.com, u can contact him as ask for some guidance. i think he's working on resin now n will continue to focus on that for trying to promote resin building among the young generation.

Hope this help
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post Jul 9 2011, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(shauno @ Jul 8 2011, 06:46 PM)
uhhhh.. raymond completely potong my stim to do resin kits now =X
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Bro, i think you should give it a try la. Especially resin offers a lot more choices, especially for the niche market stuff which big company cannot justify the cost for producing injection kits.



QUOTE(amduser @ Jul 9 2011, 01:26 AM)
i'm not planning to assemble a resin kit la, just curious about it since i saw some people mentioning it

in term of feel and look, resin kit should be similar to plastic?

ABS is the hardest type of plastic compare to PS and PE? if i'm not wrong, action base 3 is using ABS? hmm.gif
come share share your resin building experience  nod.gif
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Just say it is more like a very fine n slightly less crispy gypsum(plaster).
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post Jul 12 2011, 01:32 PM

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for shops in KL, as i know, AF hobby (Ampang), multifilla(Belakong), ICW (PJ). Depends on where u stay, go to the nmost convenient one.
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post Jul 13 2011, 01:18 PM

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yeah it's near The Mines.

Tons of tools there for it cater very much to industrial design students at nearby universities. From plastics, to wood, glass, all sort of sculpting stuff.

The only drawback is, if u r looking for Gunpla specific option parts like metal thrusters, can't really find it there.

Google multifilla, and their website provides map n address. IF they dont have map, use the address for google map.

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