Halo... any1 installed Hager EH711 timer before?
how can i install it so that my outdoor light can have a timer to run on certain time??
i got the wiring diagram, but cannot get it to work...

thanks thanks

I just bought one unit. Do you might o share with me how you install it?

Thank you.

easy!

just connect live to 1, neutral to 2.

look for the original lamp switch, connect the bottom (non-live) wire and connect to 4

the original wire that connect to the switch (that goes to the lamp) now connect to 5

You mean from the current manual switch, I should have 4 cables?

what if i just got the original lamp switch and i dont have the live and neutral?

Hi Peow Yong,

I have done my switch timer and it is working fine now.

You need neutral to get the device to work because without the neutral the clock wouldn't work.

Here is the wiring
1 - Neutral
2 - Live
3 - <Nothing>
4 - Live
5 - Wire to light

FYI, in the current switch, there must have 2 wires (In & Out). In is the live & Out is the wire to light. To test which one is live, please use a test pen.

This post has been edited by leety: Jul 14 2010, 02:01 PM

Thinking to get one timer for my spotlight, how much does it cost?

Thanks.

Does this mean if I have a light switch, with only 2 wire (live + wire to light) and no neutral (typical of all light switches!!), it will not work? All the wires are usially concealed in the wall... how to get a neutral line?

No, you can't as the clock in the timer would operate without the neutral.

just curious.. is this the one with build in battery to protect the clock ??

incase of power trip/power loss, the settings will still be there and the clock won't lari ?

This post has been edited by JinXXX: May 4 2011, 10:13 PM

yah...
It have two type. one is 1 or 2 days, another if not mistake was 5 days which cost more...

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Added on May 5, 2011, 4:38 amThis post has been edited by Jo_da48: May 5 2011, 04:38 AM

I hv connect it according to the diagram:
1 - neutral
2 and 4 - i connect with a cable then connect to live from either 2 or 4
5 - connect to the wire light

now my prob is the clock not moving.. is it the product faulty? how to check whether is the product faulty? where to buy a new 1 if the product faulty? how much is it??

This post has been edited by ironj: Jul 4 2011, 05:24 PM

Mind sharing how much this cost roughly? And where did you buy

I search online and noticed someone sell it for RM95... how about selling from shop??

I got my with 24 hours function with cost of RM85

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I bought Theben timer

Jo_da48, where u got the hager timer??

HW-Racer, Theben timer is another brand??

anybody know where to buy this electro mechanical timer from in

KL/klang valley area .. prefer to buy ori one not fake one...

Interested to know also, but have no idea about this timer thing, i want to set timer for my front gate pillar left and right and also 1 light for car porch to on during night time let said by 7pm automatically ? so do i need 3 timer or 1 can do for 3 ? the shop dun include installation ??

i just bought from top ten hager eh711 ...cost rm85.
any lighting shop also got sell in...but the user manual is in france language not english.

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Added on July 27, 2011, 5:19 pmhow many timer depend on your wiring.

if those 3 wiring connect from same source from DB...u just need 1 timer next to DB box.

if those 3 light under 3Gang swtich then it should need 1 timer only.

you need to ask wiring man to do it.

i did ask my wiring to do for my front entry door....but he say need to put out another 1 cable out...so i din ask him to do it.

This post has been edited by wrb7878: Jul 27 2011, 05:20 PM

You mean those turning type got clock sound 1? The hager brand is this type.

Very reliable. I have 2 in my home for over 10yrs. Running without fail.

is it ? hmm okie.. any shop or places in PJ.. top ten is in puchong right ???

10 years ? wow.. yeah maybe u should change.. sicne EH711 got batt one.. so if trip the clock still running...

that is why i want it for that reason only

I m using the 1 that got battery. Hager got 2 type. Cheaper 1 no battery. If not mistaken got battery cost rm120.

I use both Hager and Maxguard relay timer. Maxguard is a Malaysian brand and is cheaper than imported brand Hager. Both have same functions with built in battery and both are as good but of course Hager is much more better looking/design on appearance. If out look is necessity, then pay more for Hager.
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=39340766

For single porch light, don't use timer. Use light sensor instead. Can easily DIY instal. If use timer, you need to pay $$ to wireman to fix for you.
you can buy Selcon photo sensor about RM25 per unit.
http://www.viclite.com/selcon2.htm

okie so there are two options,

actually im planning to DIY the hager and power cables myself so it doesn't matter to me.. due to the way i implement the lighting..

i can't use photo sensor.. eg back light that comes on at midnight

cause between evening to midnight , there is the kitchen light bathroom lights that provided some/little illumination..

so back to the question, where to get in PJ area.. ??

Hi all
Would like to ask, if I install a Hager timer (be it electromechanical or full digital), can I install a by-pass switch (aka normal light switch) for the timer? I want to be able to by-pass the timer, and switch on/off my lights as I wish, since I plan to install a timer for my car porch. Sometimes I do wash my car past certain hours, or wee hours in the morning, which requires me to bypass the timer without fumbling with the timer controls.
Would appreciate some guidance from electrical experts here.
Thanks!

Timer itself have buttom to switch on/off the timer as well. so u no need to adjust the timing when u need the light.

It is not easy to wired up the timer but if you have some basic wiring knowledge, then should be no problem.
My front porch also have bright street light but the Selcon worked as intended. If the external light disturb the photo cell, just adjust the angle or block it.
Any electrical shop in PJ selling it.

There is a manual override switch on the timer itself.
http://waterheatertimer.org/pdf/Hager-EH711-Timer.pdf

It is not difficult if you instal next to the light and hide on top of the ceiling. I do that for the car porch. But if you instal next to the switch, you need to wire a neutral from db or nearest place.

okie, thanks.. will look into it...

yup

Thanks for the inputs, but can I not touch the timer and use a separate light switch as a by-pass for the timer?
I have seen the Hager EH711, the override switch is really small. I was hoping to use the light switch normally (as in On/Off), but when I need timer control, I can direct the control over to the timer....
Is such a thing do-able? Probably a 3 way light switch ?
Thanks

Can. You can use a switch to bypass the timer. Just a normal ON/OFF switch will do.

Hi, my Hager EH711 now seem got little problem on the backup battery, when switch it off (cut the live wayar by switch ON/OFF), the timer die after that. Previously it can still last long for 3 or 5 days without LIVE & Neutral input, so meaning it was use back up battery to run the clock.

But now I just try to check on it, where is the battery and how to replace the battery?
Seeking help on this

Think some may not have battery, it run with capacitor.

Oh, then something wrong inside my Hager timer?
Not even more than 3 years...OMG

Sometime the damage could be due to spike or lighting surged.

Oh, really? Then i need to adjust the clock every time blackout

Hi guys,

Need your help to find out what's wrong with my hager time switch EH711. It has been installed for 5 years and has worked well.

Recently the clock is getting slower. It's moving, just getting slower (like half an hour late after I adjusted it to correct time 3 hours ago).

How can I fix this? Do you think this unit has already gone bad?

Thanks a million!

Look like is time to change.

I got the same problem as u. May need to replace 1st before finding other solution as will be away this coming weekend.

Wondering how to install the timer (wiring) if is to be installed beside the porch light? There is only 2 wires at the light.

While someone mentioned ...

1 - Neutral
2 - Live
3 - <Nothing>
4 - Live
5 - Wire to light

If instal beside the porch light, your light should have L, N and E wire. I guess you know which 1 is live and neutral.

If you install beside the porch switch, than you need to wire out a neutral wire from the light or nearest neutral wire you can find.

If you no idea what is L and N, better leave it to electrician to do. Safety first.

Noted. Thanks. Will try it out this weekend

This should help.

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/3306/hager.jpg

Thanks. Got that in the box that came with the eh711

Is very straightforward, you can control 2 equipments making both flip flop.

The timer can install next to existing switch, rite? Wonder my wiring guy say NO?

It needs to be connected to the Neutral wire. So, unless there is one some where near the switch, then will not work

So i need to check my existing light switch inside have Neutral wire o not?

Most of the power socket will have neutral rite?

All go out must come back. When you have Live, you need neutral to have a complete circuit.

Usually light switch is on with Live, and neutral are all loop neat the equipments. Only A/C, heater, oven switch, or high current switch have both neutral and Live.

If your switch point have A/C or water heater switch, you can tap from there.

my light switch point at main door to on/off the foyer light only...1 gang alone no other swtich/socket.
tat why my wiring guy keep say No.

Than you need to tap it from the nearest A/C socket, or pull one over.

You need a neutral wire to make it work. Normally neutral wire is not available in your light switch.

This post has been edited by idoblu: May 29 2013, 11:35 AM

Live is on the light switch.

Here for those no idea where tap a neutral wire for the timer.

Original is just 1 switch with no neutral in my storeroom. I modify it to 2 switch with a timer beside and take the neutral wire from the light. As you see the trunking running to the light. The light and switch is for outside backyard light. If locate at hall, don't use this way. The trunking freaking ugly. He.....

oops i meant neutral....sorry

This post has been edited by idoblu: May 29 2013, 11:38 AM

Very dangerous to tell people wrong information. They may think is not live and touch the wires.

Where i can buy this timer Hager EH711 around PJ or USJ? Why i asked Top Ten they said no sell timer when i go there buy lighting that time.

Electrical shop.

you mean those like EHS/Onking also got sell? i go those sell hardware like DB SS2 and few hardware shop only sell 13amp socket type

Nope, the shop selling cables, conduit, and major electrical wiring.

One at SS2, the near swensen's ice cream , few more at sea park, near the O&S Restaurant. Or pasar road.

E711 last year price was around 80 to 90.

Just go to pasar road. You never fail to get 1.

hmm. tomolo wiringman come to install lighting and socket dy. Got no time to go KL, busy with house things. was thinking to ask wiring leave the wire and i do it my self on the timer installation or do it next time. samore got bombing in KL lagi scare.

can install daylight sensor SELCON cost only rm25 each

go to those shops that sell electrical wires, switches, etc, etc.
They should have. There are few brands in the market, incl those China made ones

maybe postponed installation. i will do it myself after i bought them. either timer or daylight sensor.

For porch lighting purpose, I personally prefer light sensor, because I only want lights when the surrounding is dark and I don't need a specific timing of wanting the light to be switched on after dark say 11pm.
Further more light sensor is much more cheaper and less maintenance then Hager timer. Why less maintenance ? because once the hager's irreplaceable built-in battery wears out, it will only work as a mechanical timer. Any power cut off will alter the on/off timing.

i was planning to install timer/sensor for porch and backyard.

Do you have the need to control the timing ? if yes then go for timer. if no light sensor is less headache.

well. my initial planning was to make sure it light 7pm until 8am. Not sure how accurate daylight sensor but im sure both of them workable for me. expensive or not expensive also nvrmind coz only will be using for max 2 units of timer.

porch is using downlight and backyard using florescent.

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Added on January 10, 2012, 8:33 pmi bought 2 units at USJ opposite Starbuck Hardware shop named USJ Sin Loong Sdn Bhd @ RM 100 each.

This post has been edited by KIntos: Jan 10 2012, 08:33 PM

Here's my contribution of personal installation experience. This diagram is for both TIMER UNIT & LIGHT SWITCH to work on "either one" mode. The TIMER UNIT will start to work once the 1 GANG switch is turned OFF, also user can turn ON the light at any time of point using the 1 GANG switch.



Hope it helps everyone

do note, with that wiring, the 1 Gang switch act only as By-Past switch where the load can be turn on anytime by the user. User would have no control once the timer is in "on" position.

You can OFF the timer by open the cover and switch the bypass button.

If you are willing to OFF the timer by open the cover, might as well forget about installing the By-Pass switch.
Just ON/OFF the timer by open the cover whenever you want to do manual switching.

OFF the timer by open the cover is a temporary bypass switch in case you want to --> User would have no control once the timer is in "on" position.

Switch it back once you done.

Thanks for sharing. I roughly got the idea, but isn't it weird if positions 1 and 2 serve no purpose here? or the bypass switch is connected to 1 & 2 instead of 4 maybe?

Yes of course, that would work too u can move the L1 flowing from 4 to 2 also, connecting LIVE to LIVE will not harm the electric flow circuit

I've made such diagram to not to congest port 2 since incoming supply looping to 4 has 2 wires attached, and L1 will make the port looks bulky, therefore I swapped with 4, this will look more neat

I'm particularly interested in the Selcon sensor that a fellow member posted. However, wiring is a bit tricky especially when I want to overide the sensor. You see, usually the sensor will only switch on the lights when it's dark. What if there is a need to switch on the lights even during daytime. Can any member here care to share?

Easy, in this case you need to pull an auxillary 1 gang switching power supply which also connects to the device. This will ease to you use the light at daytime by turning ON the switch.

hi,
going to install a new timer to control the light.
emm.... dun know whr should get the neutral
any body can help?

here the layout:

thanks

You can pull NEUTRAL line from any nearest available point

ok... but y the aircon poit got 2N??
i can take either 1?
how abt the Live? i not sure which color is Live

like this correct?

thanks alot

Those who wants to operate two electrical appliances one after another at different timing. Especially playing 2 amplifiers alternately in the bird house.


This post has been edited by aeiou228: Sep 1 2012, 12:08 PM

Anyone can advise where and how can I modify the current light switch (one gang clipsal) to the timer control light switch, which I can set to on & off the light.

http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/51984.pdf

You need to provide the timer circuit for us to see how is the wiring. Just the front look cannot understand.

If you intend to use hager, than read through this topic.

If I use Hager. There will be a ugly timer beside the existing light switch. Nit sure there us anything that can replace the light switch... With simple timer switch just like a normal time switch and flat enough... Ti replace the standard clipsal switch.

Std switch don't have neutral line. Most timer require Live + neutral to run.

to power and charge the "timer"/clock

guys... i do not know how to adjust my hager eh711 timer. let say the light on at 7pm to 7am. plz help me coz i really dun understand this manual. even i read terbalik pun cannot understand...

anyone have any contact for doing this wiring ?
i noob in this and worry it will make thing worst ... pm me pls...
kepong area...

Maybe u can consider our solution.. https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2880446
Besides timer, u can remote control it also..

I just got an electrician do mine for me. RM 85 for Hager EH 711 and RM 50 to install. Liked his work so asking him to do another one for me. This time need to drill a wall and put teh timer inside the houose and pull a neutral wire from the room light source. For That installation charge RM 80.

Where can I buy Hager EH711 around Shah Alam?

Most electrical shop selling wiring switches do carry Hager

I see.. ok, thank you. Will find out soon..

Hi all,

I just bought this timer for my new house at puchong (lighting shop next to Top ten).
i ask the sales person whether this timer can be installed at the DB. he said yes. the maximum is 1000W.

he even showed me how he did to his shop.

Anyone here tried install this timer at DB?

Thanks.