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Unifi Official TM UniFi High Speed Broadbrand Thread V4, Latest:NO cap 4 unifi packages 4 now ^_^

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post Mar 26 2010, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Mar 26 2010, 09:42 AM)
Ok then, i hope to hear more from you. Maybe we can try figure a way to live with this cap  hmm.gif
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You know, the thing is people see 120GB and they get angry. I do agree with them its not a suitable value and should be doubled or tripled if actually implemented, but these people are overestimating their own download habits.

I have a few servers with 300GB a month caps (upload AND download, not just download like TM is saying) and I don't even scrape 100GB. These are pure torrent and Gnutella-only servers.

The fact is half of the day you'll be sleeping, some days you wont even use the net.. and there will be one day where you download non stop. If they do implement a DAILY cap, I think this will be really unfair as its not true 120GB of download capping.. it's false advertising.
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QUOTE(rizvanrp @ Mar 26 2010, 09:40 AM)
I will have to see after I get the thing on 30th March. From what their sales rep told me, capping is not implemented yet. I assume they're putting these values in the advertisements to ward off heavy downloaders. Then if you use too much after June 30th (freebie period ends), they will place the cap on you and you can't say anything because you agreed to it (unlike with Streamyx WE ARE TEH UNLIMITED users).

If local traffic isn't throttled, you will be able to bypass the cap by using a local server and SSH tunnel/VPN. I'm hoping this is the case but I will really have to check and see what protocols they are using and how they separate internet and IPTV traffic.

And yes, a cheap US based VPS can be turned into a OpenVPN node and you WILL be able to utilize the full 20mbps of the line regardless of what they do until you hit your cap.
I never mentioned legal or illegal downloads, I just stated a factual error in the Star article to get some stupid reply about downloading in Singapore. I never mentioned a comparison with Singapore either, the STAR did.

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=Post...32717961&st=140
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Do share your experience here at a new thread. It will be valuable as I doubt the adoption rate will be high at this point, much less user who care to properly test it and share the experience

Thanks in advance smile.gif
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QUOTE(busted85 @ Mar 26 2010, 09:46 AM)
Do share your experience here at a new thread. It will be valuable as I doubt the adoption rate will be high at this point, much less user who care to properly test it and share the experience

Thanks in advance smile.gif
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I probably will if they successfully get it running here. Not a lot of beta testers posted much valuable info such as routing comparisons with 4mbps Streamyx and 1mbps Jaring (both of which I have now).. or even the connections for the DECT phone. I have Cat5e wiring all over my house and I wanna know if I can wire the DECT through it. sweat.gif
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OK this answer from TM when i email them.

So for now capping is not yet start. And there are plan to do FUP on every TM product (streamyx will also kena is only matter of time)
Now there are still on research how to apply FUP on their prodcut.
So now best what we can do is make sure we sound out our right so TM understand our average daily use so there come out we plan that serve majority Usage.
For heavy user, i think there really need consider to get package that serve them right cause no matter TM give higher Cap there still no enough to cover their usage.

(5mbps aka 600kBps x 60 second x 60 minute x 24 hour = 51.8GB file download even TM give use 250GB cap there still finish it in 5 day)
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QUOTE(bai1101 @ Mar 26 2010, 09:51 AM)
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OK this answer from TM when i email them.

So for now capping is not yet start. And there are plan to do FUP on every TM product (streamyx will also kena is only matter of time)
Now there are still on research how to apply FUP on their prodcut.
So now best what we can do is make sure we sound out our right so TM understand our average daily use so there come out we plan that serve majority Usage.
For heavy user, i think there really need consider to get package that serve them right cause no matter TM give higher Cap there still no enough to cover their usage.

(5mbps aka 600kBps x 60 second x 60 minute x 24 hour = 51.8GB file download  even TM give use 250GB cap there still finish it in 5 day)
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Thanks for this info. It confirms what I've been thinking. The caps on the UNIFI packages at the moment are just so they can cap you without you b*****ng at them should you download your BD pornos 24/7. They're not actually implemented yet and capping Unifi when Streamyx isn't capped.. without doing any research.. would be a very stupid mistake on their part.

So many people here are screaming about Unifi caps when they have not even applied for it.
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my installation date is also for the 30th of march in bangsar.Will put up speedtest's up the moment i get it.
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QUOTE(knuxed @ Mar 26 2010, 09:54 AM)
my installation date is also for the 30th of march in bangsar.Will put up speedtest's up the moment i get it.
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When you get it.. and if I get it on 30th too, we could set up a review and user club thread. That way we can perform some internal testing such as direct FTP transfer between HSBB users.

HTTP protocol kind of maxes out at 3MB/s on a gigabit LAN anyway..

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Generally, Asian's countries bandwidth are expensive compared to the Western's countries.

QUOTE(tohff7 @ Mar 26 2010, 09:21 AM)
People just don't understand that international bandwidth cost is expensive.
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QUOTE(rizvanrp @ Mar 26 2010, 09:53 AM)
Thanks for this info. It confirms what I've been thinking. The caps on the UNIFI packages at the moment are just so they can cap you without you b*****ng at them should you download your BD pornos 24/7. They're not actually implemented yet and capping Unifi when Streamyx isn't capped.. without doing any research.. would be a very stupid mistake on their part.

So many people here are screaming about Unifi caps when they have not even applied for it.
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Daily cap is really no fair. cause myself as average downloader i only heavy download on certain day in a week and normal usage in rest of the day.
As a online gamer, File transfer between game and our computer getting heavy and heavy.
I can easy hit 1.5GB on sunday with 3ppl sharing the line (that Only Online game and browse w/o DL). So i do hope TM come with reasonable FUP.
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QUOTE(bai1101 @ Mar 26 2010, 09:59 AM)
Daily cap is really no fair. cause myself as average downloader i only heavy download on certain day in a week and normal usage in rest of the day.
As a online gamer, File transfer between game and our computer getting heavy and heavy.
I can easy hit 1.5GB on sunday with 3ppl sharing the line (that Only Online game and browse w/o DL). So i do hope TM come with reasonable FUP.
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I know what you mean smile.gif I guess I'm like you but I only share my connection with my sister. If its really 120GB/30 days, it's extremely unfair.. but it's best we don't start screaming about the cap just yet when :

1) They are not capping yet

2) There are only a handful of HSBB testers here on LYN at the moment who are not capped

My guess is they will increase it or not be so strict on its enforcement even when its implemented.
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QUOTE(ciohbu @ Mar 26 2010, 09:29 AM)
Singapore 2Mbps is only 20dollars... sing dollars... with their income... 20dollar is just piece of their hair only....

here ?? no point spent millions on infra if nobody subscribe... HSBB is a fixed line.. means non mobile, so more than 60 % of subscriber for sure use that for downloading or streaming...  if u limit like tat.. no point...

wait till WiMax from YTL came out...then we shall see..
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No need to wait. It has already phailed. Why do you think YTL delay for so long? It's because they figure they can't recoup the cost. P1 is already an example ( although i do appreciate them for trying, but i ain't gonna subscribe to shitty plans with shitty servicez). They're losing money left right and centre, even with some funding from Intel and other investor. It is NOT a good business. The problem here is, no one can simply make a fast broadband affordable...coz our RM is just too worthless and our salary is too low for the general population to subscribe to over RM100 internet plans. (except a few rich people).

Unless of course, the gov is willing to subsidize, But the whole idea of subsidizing is actually to help out the people by making our wages low to attract foreign investor, thus, enabling the money to subsidize the people because everything is so damn expensive. But the problem is now, thanks to corruption and mismanagement by UMNO for 50 years, our whole economy is going down the drain, there's too many foreign investor discrimination policies in this country, and our labor is not cheap enough. So foreign investor all lari to the likes of Thailand, Indonesia, Vietnam and elsewhere(no need to mention China, that is a given). The gov is now left an empty shell, that's why Bijan wanna introduce all sorts of tax and reduce/abolish subsidy for everything.

Thus, we are left with a very low labor wages, no income from foreign investor and sky rocketing prices for everyday goods due to our low RM. It's a chicken and egg situation...except the chicken now has lari and left the eggs here to die...

In reality, unless there is a change of gov and management and policies in this country, don't expect anything to get any cheaper.

Sad but true.
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QUOTE(ConquerorX @ Mar 26 2010, 09:58 AM)
Generally, Asian's countries bandwidth are expensive compared to the Western's countries.
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mind telling me why thailand and sg bandwidth is much cheaper?
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Hopefully they will do a more detailed research and see how it goes. With higher speeds, people tend to do more with their Internet such as stream more videos or even more downloads. For those who will be sharing it, it will surely achieve the cap even faster.

By the way, after hitting the cap, the speed will be throttled to 10% of the advertised speed. If it was the 5mbps package, after throttling will be about 512kbps. Maybe this should be slightly higher also, no?

What say you?
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QUOTE(dr2k3 @ Mar 26 2010, 10:04 AM)
mind telling me why thailand and sg bandwidth is much cheaper?
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Not sure about Thailand, SG on the other hand.. only their residential packages are cheaper. This is probably because not as many people there download warez as much as Malaysians do and that their country is small so it makes implementation much easier. You should also check their international link capacity (which I am too lazy to do).

Their corporate and premium packages on the other hand, bandwidth costs 2x-3x what it does here.
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Hopefully they will do a more detailed research and see how it goes. With higher speeds, people tend to do more with their Internet such as stream more videos or even more downloads. For those who will be sharing it, it will surely achieve the cap even faster.

By the way, after hitting the cap, the speed will be throttled to 10% of the advertised speed. If it was the 5mbps package, after throttling will be about 512kbps. Maybe this should be slightly higher also, no?

What say you?
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I agree, 512kbps is too low to do much once you hit it. It should be 1-2mbps at least.

If anything, local bandwidth should also not count against your cap since they are streaming IPTV locally through their network @ 8mbps even if you want to watch it or not. This way, if your p2p software encounters another TMnet user.. you get maximum speed, your download finishes faster and you use way less international bandwidth.

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QUOTE(yongkailoon @ Mar 26 2010, 10:06 AM)
Hopefully they will do a more detailed research and see how it goes. With higher speeds, people tend to do more with their Internet such as stream more videos or even more downloads. For those who will be sharing it, it will surely achieve the cap even faster.

By the way, after hitting the cap, the speed will be throttled to 10% of the advertised speed. If it was the 5mbps package, after throttling will be about 512kbps. Maybe this should be slightly higher also, no?

What say you?
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lol 10% = ="

if they implement on streamyx 1mb

1mb 10% = 10kB? lol
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This cap crap is a huge turnoff. I have been waiting for this lama already but with this cap stuff, will probably not subscribe. Someone here mentioned ferrari, yeah, they sell you a ferrari at ferrari prices (actually, more), then only give you 10 litres of petrol a month to use it, after which, it will be transformed into one of those bicycles with 40 cc engine on it
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QUOTE(rizvanrp @ Mar 26 2010, 10:07 AM)
Not sure about Thailand, SG on the other hand.. only their residential packages are cheaper. This is probably because not as many people there download warez as much as Malaysians do and that their country is small so it makes implementation much easier. You should also check their international link capacity (which I am too lazy to do).

Their corporate and premium packages on the other hand, bandwidth costs 2x-3x what it does here.

I agree, 512kbps is too low to do much once you hit it. It should be 1-2mbps at least.

If anything, local bandwidth should also not count against your cap since they are streaming IPTV locally through their network @ 8mbps even if you want to watch it or not. This way, if your p2p software encounters another TMnet user.. you get maximum speed, your download finishes faster and you use way less international bandwidth.
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i thought small country means less subscriber means more expensive? coz not enough subscriber to cover the cost?
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How the heck do they want to increase BB penetration?!

Unifi is min RM149 .

Only 4mbps Streamyx reduced to RM140.

So they only want rich 'cheapscates' to subscribe?

How about Streamyx package with lower speeds?

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QUOTE(dr2k3 @ Mar 26 2010, 10:11 AM)
i thought small country means less subscriber means more expensive? coz not enough subscriber to cover the cost?
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There's internet access nearly everywhere in SG. Their government is much better, less money flows into their pockets and the people get back what their tax money pays for. There's no monopoly on their upcoming HSBB network. You're going to have to ask someone who works in their ISP industry how they cover the running cost though, they could have a lot of local caches to store and distribute popular files.. I don't know. Their routing is still as bad as ours with 400-500ms to World of Warcraft though. Not to mention they earn more than us :/

In countries like Japan, their users mainly access content in their country only. They even have their own Youtube. Same case with USA, mainly content from US and Europe. Their only problem is the end point which connects to the customer, they use cable and their ISPs like Comcast do throttle p2p and cap their total bandwidth at 250GB/mth. Their average speed last time I checked is 5-9mbps if I'm not mistaken. Malaysia on the other hand, we take from the US, Europe and all over Asia.

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QUOTE(dr2k3 @ Mar 26 2010, 10:04 AM)
mind telling me why thailand and sg bandwidth is much cheaper?
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Compared with which western's countries? smile.gif
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