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Unifi Official TM UniFi High Speed Broadbrand Thread V4, Latest:NO cap 4 unifi packages 4 now ^_^

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post Mar 26 2010, 09:05 AM

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Some are disappointed over what they feel are expensive charges for the packages for home users: RM149 for 5Mbps, RM199 for 10Mbps, and RM249 for 20Mbps.

In Singapore, a 1Gbps (gigabit per second) service – which is five times the speed of a 20Mbps connection – only costs about RM200.


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In Singapore, a 1Gbps (gigabit per second) service – which is fifty times the speed of a 20Mbps connection – only costs about RM200

1gbps = 1000mbps-ish amirite?
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post Mar 26 2010, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Mar 26 2010, 09:15 AM)
can u download shit in singapore? Not like u going to buy digital distribution thingy everyday. TM is very lenient that they never really catch downloaders. It isnt about i am satisfied with the cap, it is all about fair usage policy. How big is singapore? It's a small island, where management is tend to be easier. Yes, TM eat money, but what to do? Like you brag at here then they will be better? If want then go out protest, else just live with what you get.
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Lol, I'm sorry what? Check the HSBB thread, I was like the first guy on LYN to subscribe for the retail VIP20 package yesterday.

Did you even read my response properly? I stated a factual error in the article Star intech posted and I get this kind of shit response. FYI, you CAN download stuff in Singapore you just have to use a VPN.

People are angry for a lot of reasons. I might scrape the 120GB cap a month but my download habits aren't limited to 4GB per day (assuming its a 30 day cycle on the daily cap). Giving people HSBB access then passing them a cap which is lower than Streamyx's worst package is like making you buy a Ferrari with a fuel tank the size of a Coke can.

I'm going to get the package and test it out, maybe post a review here.. but until then I'm not going to join the crowd of people that hate it or love it but who have not even tried it out.

TM also DOES catch downloaders. Just not on Streamyx HOME packages because there's probably 300,000 idiots getting DMCA letters everyday.
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post Mar 26 2010, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Mar 26 2010, 09:37 AM)
Can you teach how to use vpn for this :/ will that by pass the cap ???

From my understanding if you get vpn it must be able to support 20 mb download isn't that right?
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I will have to see after I get the thing on 30th March. From what their sales rep told me, capping is not implemented yet. I assume they're putting these values in the advertisements to ward off heavy downloaders. Then if you use too much after June 30th (freebie period ends), they will place the cap on you and you can't say anything because you agreed to it (unlike with Streamyx WE ARE TEH UNLIMITED users).

If local traffic isn't throttled, you will be able to bypass the cap by using a local server and SSH tunnel/VPN. I'm hoping this is the case but I will really have to check and see what protocols they are using and how they separate internet and IPTV traffic.

And yes, a cheap US based VPS can be turned into a OpenVPN node and you WILL be able to utilize the full 20mbps of the line regardless of what they do until you hit your cap.

QUOTE(ciohbu @ Mar 26 2010, 09:40 AM)
bro.. no need to say can download or cannot download...legal or illegal...

okie..now i dun wan download...can i stream a lots of youtube one day?? youtube is legal rite??  if i use pps whole day??

don't look at the downloading only..

well... firstly when TM came out with 1Mbps ... celebration is everywhere too.. of course when the number of subscriber is low.. and the service is still new.. u will get high speed..
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I never mentioned legal or illegal downloads, I just stated a factual error in the Star article to get some stupid reply about downloading in Singapore. I never mentioned a comparison with Singapore either, the STAR did.

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=Post...32717961&st=140

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post Mar 26 2010, 09:45 AM

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Mar 26 2010, 09:42 AM)
Ok then, i hope to hear more from you. Maybe we can try figure a way to live with this cap  hmm.gif
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You know, the thing is people see 120GB and they get angry. I do agree with them its not a suitable value and should be doubled or tripled if actually implemented, but these people are overestimating their own download habits.

I have a few servers with 300GB a month caps (upload AND download, not just download like TM is saying) and I don't even scrape 100GB. These are pure torrent and Gnutella-only servers.

The fact is half of the day you'll be sleeping, some days you wont even use the net.. and there will be one day where you download non stop. If they do implement a DAILY cap, I think this will be really unfair as its not true 120GB of download capping.. it's false advertising.
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QUOTE(busted85 @ Mar 26 2010, 09:46 AM)
Do share your experience here at a new thread. It will be valuable as I doubt the adoption rate will be high at this point, much less user who care to properly test it and share the experience

Thanks in advance smile.gif
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I probably will if they successfully get it running here. Not a lot of beta testers posted much valuable info such as routing comparisons with 4mbps Streamyx and 1mbps Jaring (both of which I have now).. or even the connections for the DECT phone. I have Cat5e wiring all over my house and I wanna know if I can wire the DECT through it. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(bai1101 @ Mar 26 2010, 09:51 AM)
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OK this answer from TM when i email them.

So for now capping is not yet start. And there are plan to do FUP on every TM product (streamyx will also kena is only matter of time)
Now there are still on research how to apply FUP on their prodcut.
So now best what we can do is make sure we sound out our right so TM understand our average daily use so there come out we plan that serve majority Usage.
For heavy user, i think there really need consider to get package that serve them right cause no matter TM give higher Cap there still no enough to cover their usage.

(5mbps aka 600kBps x 60 second x 60 minute x 24 hour = 51.8GB file download  even TM give use 250GB cap there still finish it in 5 day)
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Thanks for this info. It confirms what I've been thinking. The caps on the UNIFI packages at the moment are just so they can cap you without you b*****ng at them should you download your BD pornos 24/7. They're not actually implemented yet and capping Unifi when Streamyx isn't capped.. without doing any research.. would be a very stupid mistake on their part.

So many people here are screaming about Unifi caps when they have not even applied for it.
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QUOTE(knuxed @ Mar 26 2010, 09:54 AM)
my installation date is also for the 30th of march in bangsar.Will put up speedtest's up the moment i get it.
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When you get it.. and if I get it on 30th too, we could set up a review and user club thread. That way we can perform some internal testing such as direct FTP transfer between HSBB users.

HTTP protocol kind of maxes out at 3MB/s on a gigabit LAN anyway..

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QUOTE(bai1101 @ Mar 26 2010, 09:59 AM)
Daily cap is really no fair. cause myself as average downloader i only heavy download on certain day in a week and normal usage in rest of the day.
As a online gamer, File transfer between game and our computer getting heavy and heavy.
I can easy hit 1.5GB on sunday with 3ppl sharing the line (that Only Online game and browse w/o DL). So i do hope TM come with reasonable FUP.
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I know what you mean smile.gif I guess I'm like you but I only share my connection with my sister. If its really 120GB/30 days, it's extremely unfair.. but it's best we don't start screaming about the cap just yet when :

1) They are not capping yet

2) There are only a handful of HSBB testers here on LYN at the moment who are not capped

My guess is they will increase it or not be so strict on its enforcement even when its implemented.
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QUOTE(dr2k3 @ Mar 26 2010, 10:04 AM)
mind telling me why thailand and sg bandwidth is much cheaper?
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Not sure about Thailand, SG on the other hand.. only their residential packages are cheaper. This is probably because not as many people there download warez as much as Malaysians do and that their country is small so it makes implementation much easier. You should also check their international link capacity (which I am too lazy to do).

Their corporate and premium packages on the other hand, bandwidth costs 2x-3x what it does here.
QUOTE(yongkailoon @ Mar 26 2010, 10:06 AM)
Hopefully they will do a more detailed research and see how it goes. With higher speeds, people tend to do more with their Internet such as stream more videos or even more downloads. For those who will be sharing it, it will surely achieve the cap even faster.

By the way, after hitting the cap, the speed will be throttled to 10% of the advertised speed. If it was the 5mbps package, after throttling will be about 512kbps. Maybe this should be slightly higher also, no?

What say you?
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I agree, 512kbps is too low to do much once you hit it. It should be 1-2mbps at least.

If anything, local bandwidth should also not count against your cap since they are streaming IPTV locally through their network @ 8mbps even if you want to watch it or not. This way, if your p2p software encounters another TMnet user.. you get maximum speed, your download finishes faster and you use way less international bandwidth.

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QUOTE(dr2k3 @ Mar 26 2010, 10:11 AM)
i thought small country means less subscriber means more expensive? coz not enough subscriber to cover the cost?
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There's internet access nearly everywhere in SG. Their government is much better, less money flows into their pockets and the people get back what their tax money pays for. There's no monopoly on their upcoming HSBB network. You're going to have to ask someone who works in their ISP industry how they cover the running cost though, they could have a lot of local caches to store and distribute popular files.. I don't know. Their routing is still as bad as ours with 400-500ms to World of Warcraft though. Not to mention they earn more than us :/

In countries like Japan, their users mainly access content in their country only. They even have their own Youtube. Same case with USA, mainly content from US and Europe. Their only problem is the end point which connects to the customer, they use cable and their ISPs like Comcast do throttle p2p and cap their total bandwidth at 250GB/mth. Their average speed last time I checked is 5-9mbps if I'm not mistaken. Malaysia on the other hand, we take from the US, Europe and all over Asia.

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QUOTE(lalala_lalala @ Mar 26 2010, 10:33 AM)
I've been using unifi for the past 2 months already...i was selected among 150 to test the device b4 the launching date...im not  happy with the speed actually...i only get like 2++mb.....i will post the bandwidth result later...is there anything u guys want to know about the unifi? Probably i can post the pic of the modem later as well..
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Can you post ping test results to these IPs for me? Please and ty smile.gif

202.75.56.1
202.190.182.1
64.120.201.204
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QUOTE(AaronXavier @ Mar 26 2010, 08:18 PM)
If they cap inter why not use VPN or Proxy xD
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Everyones been giving mix responses about the cap. TM twitter says no cap for now, sales rep who registered me said no cap for now, but other sales people saying there's a cap for inter + local and will have your speed reduced, or you'll be charged for additional usage.. now this person saying there's no cap for local bandwidth.

If there's really no cap for local bandwidth, everyone will just buy a local VPS and route traffic through there so it doesn't make sense. Either they cap or they don't.

I think just wait for a press release by TM, they change their website packages or someone gets it installed next week and talks to the technician doing it for him about the data cap.. seeing as the technician would probably know whats actually being implemented at the moment.
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QUOTE(ahpek26 @ Mar 26 2010, 08:49 PM)
read "suspending". kids these days so gullible, its cute smile.gif
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No point in waiting right? You're either okay with the cap or you're not. Even their T&C says they can alter the agreement whenever they want, even if they officially remove all the bandwidth limits off their brochures, you think they can't just set a new cap whenever they want?

They're probably just sick of 24/7 downloaders.. hence setting a 'cap' so they have a reason to cut you off if you abuse the network. That's why its called fair usage policy. Even in their datacenters, you can buy 1mbps dedicated line burstable to 10mbps, but if you burst @ 10mbps 24/7 they will cut you off.
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QUOTE(ahpek26 @ Mar 26 2010, 09:02 PM)
I'm ok with the cap, but the ones they've decided is unrealistic and just plain stupid.

please save the "u lyke to torrent thats why you dont lyke cap" crap for someone else.
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Yea, I love bashing torrenters that's why I started a thread on LYN how to bypass TMnet throttles. Stop with the stupid generalizations already.

Bloody morons.
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QUOTE(boonwuilow @ Mar 27 2010, 08:37 AM)
If i use the 5 Mbps package, what is the real download speed i can get?
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550-600KB/s range probably
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QUOTE(iipohbee @ Mar 27 2010, 08:59 AM)
If there're high takeup in your area rarely you will get even close to that with international sites.

It won't be much difference between a 4mbps, a 20mbps, 50mbps or a 100mbps line.
Save your money for other things.

A stable and dependable line is more of your interest.

My friends from Japan, US, Taiwan, HK and even Singapore often tells me that they are more than contented with their isps entry level packages which starts around that kind of speed.
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Difference here is fiber vs ADSL.. ADSL is affected badly by old copper wiring, lightning, rain water, weather in general and has slightly higher latency (10-15ms).

iipohbee is right by saying you will rarely need a lot of bandwidth unless you have special applications.. such as when you download from websites you use a download accelerator or you use p2p programs a lot. Those programs will be able to easily max out a 20mbps line because they make multiple, simultaneous connections.

If you're just browsing and streaming, the highest speed you would likely get per connection on a 5mbps package is about 300-450KB/s and this depends on congestion on the ISPs network and the routing to the destination server. I doubt fiber optics is affected by the amount of users in your area.. but if everyone in your TM exchange area is constantly torrenting I guess it would affect the international bandwidth you would receive.

Main reason to upgrade to fiber is to defeat the physical limitations of ADSL.. that's about it.
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QUOTE(aerobowl @ Mar 27 2010, 09:14 AM)
for people getting unifi package do they still need to keep the homeline (copper) if they have one?
is unifi package come with a phone number?
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Unifi fiber runs along side copper wiring. You can have Streamyx and Unifi in 1 house, they use two different sets of wiring. You can cut Streamyx's copper wire and Unifi won't be affected.. and vice versa. You have to pick a new phone number for Unifi's VOIP and you can't reuse an old number.
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Unifi has pure fiber and VDSL for apartments if I'm not mistaken. Depends where you live and what kind of wiring your place supports. In the case of VDSL I suppose you would have to keep and use your old copper wiring.
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QUOTE(BlueSpark @ Mar 27 2010, 01:48 PM)
They say they will monitor the usage for a while. What happen if they decide to cap it again , lets say around Jun. By then, you have already subscribe to HSBB and stuck with the 2 years contract. Unifi is trying to con us
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That's probably going to be the case but hopefully with all the negative publicity generated here, on FB and Twitter.. they'll increase the caps to something more reasonable and definitely not on a per-day basis. As much as we want unmetered 5-100mbps lines, doubt it will ever happen because some users are just too abusive and dedicated bandwidth costs a lot. Look forward to Streamyx caps too once your contracts are over.
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QUOTE(mylinear @ Mar 27 2010, 07:10 PM)
In the report about access to HSBB infrastructure by other providers, one of the points was
What exactly is the problem for another provider to sell the bandwidth (which they are leasing) at a higher price to a consumer (to make their own profit)?  It seems to me that by having this restriction, Rather than to protect the consumer, is it more to protect TM itself so other providers do not sel HSI at a lower price than what TM is doing now?

I think I saw a diagram, either on this forum or on some website, which showed how a consumer could subscribe for services from more than one provider on the same HSBB line. Can anyone remember such a diagram?If so, how is that possible if Unifi already bundles all 3 services?
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I don't know how TM can make a definition between raw data and video services to be honest. Raw data itself can encapsulate video, audio and basically anything to be interpreted by a PC and most people just want bandwidth anyway.
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