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 Panasonic Viera TV Fan Club V.1, Plasma, LCD & LED models.

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anfieldude
post Jun 2 2010, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(CoffeeDude @ Jun 2 2010, 05:49 PM)
Since Panasonic Malaysia is so unethical I've totally lost confidence in their products shakehead.gif
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This is not a Panasonic Malaysia decision. This is Panasonic Global. They have different products for different regions as well as naming convention. True it is confusing, but the specs are there and it is up to the user to understand his/her purchase.

Trust me, Panasonic is not one of the unethical companies around. Some other manufacturers are worse.
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post Jun 2 2010, 06:02 PM

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QUOTE(sunnyK @ Jun 2 2010, 05:55 PM)
talking about panasonic serving malaysian their best products , while at HN ,i saw a unopen box with the real thing inside , full-specs with infinite black PRO panels with THX and also 3D

this super V at 50" , if i remember correctly , the RRP is RM 12-13 k .

jee , even their last year 54'' Z series retail at RM 22 k and the fella tell me i can have it for about RM 18 k.

in the end , we may be dissapointed for the under-specs models sold here but like i said earlier , at the price being offered by panny ,in terms of value for money ,i felt this is a better model than the LGs or Sammys C6 .

the build quality is good for its price so is the overall PQ . however , this is just my opinion

p/s : it will be a good idea to write to panny and tell them exactly how we malaysian felt being treated as " below the privileged"
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I agree 100% with sunnyK. The pricing of the products reflect the buying power of the region. That is what determines what products they market in different market segments.

The current V series for the price we are getting it for is really value for money. The G series in US does not even have the Pro portions (meaning no ISFccc).
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QUOTE(michaeltan1943 @ Jun 2 2010, 05:11 PM)
Malaysia has been a dumping ground for inferior products for a long time. Go to a prominent UK retailer here in Malaysia and go to the food section. Quite a number of food items are near expiry date, infact nearly all.

In the UK, there is no way they can sell food items near the expiry date.  Infact, it has to be more than a year away.

So, they send it to third world countries like ours where there are no consumer laws.

Some of their food items like jams etc are expiring like 1 or 2 months away and others, a few weeks away.

Panasonic, having the longest presence here and largest operation outside Japan in Malaysia should be giving Malaysia their best products.
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michael,

We had a long discussion about this last year. Let's just agree to disagree about this.

There has been a lot of improvement in terms of what we get in Malaysia. No country is perfect. They all have their flaws.

Panasonic Global has made the decision that Asian sets will have different specs, and they are priced accordingly. Let's leave it at that and discuss about the technical capabilities.

I restate my point, even without the Infinite Black Pro the Asian V series is still value for money at the prices u guys hv been quoting.
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post Jun 2 2010, 06:19 PM

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my 2 units of 50" V series (and not worried whether its euro or america or japan or singapore version) will arrive tmrow afternoon. bought from tbm
call eric tan if u are seriously interested to buy next few days as he has only a few more units left.
after that, next batch will be in aug 2010.
no stock available in other shops, no need to hunt to compare
email me at jonash1@yahoo.com for eric tan's mobile number (remember, only if u are serious to buy)
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post Jun 2 2010, 06:28 PM

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wah , nice to hear limited edition being offered here in malaysia and for malaysian
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post Jun 2 2010, 09:11 PM

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QUOTE(johnshir1 @ Jun 2 2010, 06:19 PM)
my 2 units of 50" V series (and not worried whether its euro or america or japan or singapore version) will arrive tmrow afternoon. bought from tbm
call eric tan if u are seriously interested to buy next few days as he has only a few more units left.
after that, next batch will be in aug 2010.
no stock available in other shops, no need to hunt to compare
email me at jonash1@yahoo.com for eric tan's mobile number (remember, only if u are serious to buy)
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where is tbm?
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post Jun 2 2010, 09:15 PM

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anfieldude,

Thanks for the verifying my doubts.

I was wondering why the 42V20 price is very close to 42G10. I thought it was a steal with the VT in the RM12K and above range. The 3D feature alone couldn't have accounted for the difference. I suppose the price doesn't lie.

michaeltan1943,

As per our discussion earlier on the Asian mentality, Panasonic probably saw that if they priced the V20 (or G20 in this case) any higher, Malaysians/Asians with our sense of "value" would probably just go for the U20. Would any of us purchase the 50V20 (the real V series) if it was priced at RM7-8K?

Well, at the end of it, my point that Asians being screwed (purchasing the same models at a higher price compared to US and Europe) still stands.

But I really hate it when they mislead people with the model naming (I tell you it's intentional; they could have very well named it G20 and aligned it to the global standard).

I was so looking forward to own a real V20 but somehow, Panasonic saw it fit that Asians do not deserve that.
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post Jun 2 2010, 10:54 PM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Jun 2 2010, 05:59 PM)
This is not a Panasonic Malaysia decision. This is Panasonic Global. They have different products for different regions as well as naming convention. True it is confusing, but the specs are there and it is up to the user to understand his/her purchase. rclxms.gif

Trust me, Panasonic is not one of the unethical companies around. Some other manufacturers are worse.
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words of wisdom from a real sifu

stiff competition from other manufacturers ensures that panny won't shortchange or overcharge you . you want to buy products from mid-range onwards , go do your homework or you still have the options to wait for price to fall

don't just blame the manufacturers as lots of retailers want high profit margins

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post Jun 3 2010, 12:08 AM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Jun 2 2010, 06:06 PM)

I restate my point, even without the Infinite Black Pro the Asian V series is still value for money at the prices u guys hv been quoting.
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Its not value for money considering the low purchasing power of Malaysians. Don't convert the exchange rate, but the real V is far cheaper overseas considering the purchasing power of other countries.

The cost of the product here is not cheap nor value for money considering the high price.

For example, if the V is 2000 dollars in the US, you cannot say its sold here cheaper than the US just by calculating the exchange rate.

$2000 is small money to the average US resident. But RM6499 is big money to any Malaysian

Remember, don't use exchange rate method. You must use the purchasing power parity (ppp) or the Economist’s Big Mac Index.

In the UK, even the office boy can buy a V series Panasonic plasma.

So, to get a stripped down version of the V in Malaysia for RM6499 is shocking from the company that benefits from cheap labour in Malaysia which produces all the Panasonic aircons for the whole world.

This post has been edited by michaeltan1943: Jun 3 2010, 12:27 AM
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post Jun 3 2010, 12:23 AM

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QUOTE(michaeltan1943 @ Jun 3 2010, 12:08 AM)
Its not value for money considering the low purchasing power of Malaysians. Don't convert the exchange rate, but the real V is far cheaper overseas considering the purchasing power of other countries.

The cost of the product here is not cheap nor value for money considering the high price.

For example, if the V is 2000 dollars in the US, you cannot say its sold here cheaper than the US just by calculating the exchange rate.

$2000 is small money to the average US resident. But RM6499 is big money to any Malaysian

So, to get a stripped down version of the V in Malaysia for RM6499 is a con.
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who told you that is small money in US?
as i know my friend who living there...2000 is alot money which can buy alot stuff..

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QUOTE(maskedchan @ Jun 3 2010, 12:23 AM)
who told you that is small money in US?
as i know my friend who living there...2000 is alot money which can buy alot stuff..
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its an example. 1000 pounds in UK cannot be compared to RM5000 in Malaysia.

How many people earn US2000 in US and how many people earn RM6499 in Malaysia? Even the McDonalds guy in US earn US$2000 per month

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Guys, I'm being offered RM 6099 for a 50" V20. Is that a good/bad/fair price? Thx!
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post Jun 3 2010, 12:54 AM

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QUOTE(michaeltan1943 @ Jun 3 2010, 12:28 AM)
its an example. 1000 pounds in UK cannot be compared to RM5000 in Malaysia.

How many people earn US2000 in US and how many people earn RM6499 in Malaysia? Even the McDonalds guy in US earn US$2000 per month
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yeah..it is true they earn 2k above..
how about tax and etc..in the end, want to buy 2k worth TV also have to think twice
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QUOTE(maskedchan @ Jun 3 2010, 12:54 AM)
yeah..it is true they earn 2k above..
how about tax and etc..in the end, want to buy 2k worth TV also have to think twice
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Malaysia also we pay tax. No difference. Their tax higher slightly only but their pay much higher.

My office boy in UK get about 9 pounds an hour. Panasonic 50G20 in UK about 1100 pounds and 42G20 is 800 pounds.

Here office boy can afford RM6499 plasma?

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QUOTE(michaeltan1943 @ Jun 3 2010, 01:04 AM)
Malaysia also we pay tax. No difference. Their tax higher slightly only but their pay much higher.

My office boy in UK get about 9 pounds an hour. Panasonic 50G20 in UK about 1100 pounds and 42G20 is 800 pounds.

Here office boy can afford RM6499 plasma?
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purchase the tv also got tax ma..included already or not?
who say office boy here cant afford?got 0% installment ma whistling.gif
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QUOTE(maskedchan @ Jun 3 2010, 01:10 AM)
purchase the tv also got tax ma..included already or not?
who say office boy here cant afford?got 0% installment ma  whistling.gif
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Not quite as straight forward. They may have higher tax, but they get much better health care. biggrin.gif It's quite reasonable about not using exchange rate conversion to compare as it never is a good comparison for purchasing power.

Anyway, even if you use the exchange rate conversion method, the UK G20 still costs a lot cheaper than our V20 (alias G20). There was a time when we thought by comparing the real V20 pricing from overseas, our local V20 pricing was reasonable. Maybe that was the idea. whistling.gif

Now that we know and can avoid making a fool of and embarrassing ourselves by comparing our V against our UK cousin's V series.

OK. Enough ranting from me. Our V20 is still one of the best looking HDTVs in the local market albeit just a marginal improvement over G10 series. If you want a review, just look for a G20 review which is still a glowing review by any means and comes highly recommended by most reviewers.
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The reason you guys mentioning is the same reason I totally ignoring the panasonic tv this year.
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post Jun 3 2010, 03:24 PM

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Today till Sunday, Penang's Queensbay Mall got Panasonic Fair, organize by CSH.

FYI...

(1). 42V20(on displayed) = rm5000 with some free gifts
(2). 50V20 = rm6499
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post Jun 3 2010, 03:28 PM

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I dont think they have the V20 on display in QBM...
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anyone knows whether Singapore has the "real" V?

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