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QUOTE(Desvaro @ Mar 23 2010, 08:57 PM)
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this forum is a gold mine. thanks for posting and explaining. a very very good read! simple and straight to the point man. Im going to try this in my routine as I'm beginning to stall in some lifts. thanks for the info again!! biggrin.gif
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post Apr 1 2010, 12:07 AM

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Hey guys, so now that we've a thread about powerlifting and strength training as well as conditioning, I'm thinking about the idea of a kettlebell bulk.
Kettlebells as you guys probably already know it is a fantastic training tool to get much stronger and well conditioned because it trains the stabilizers and because of its odd shape and far center of gravity, it requires us to activate a lot of posterior chain and our muscles, just to keep these babies under control.

I know this isn't the place to sell items, (hey I'm the mod here, fool) but I'm trying to get as many kettlebells as possible. I'm getting my clients some and I'm getting about 2 bells myself (Probably get the 24kg ones)

Here's a couple of videos on the fundamentals of kettlebell training





And here's a quick comparison of kb over db.
http://www.criticalbench.com/dumbbells_ver...kettlebells.htm
And here's a demo by Steve Cotter (who uses kettlebells almost exclusively)

Now the issue with kettlebells in Malaysia is its extremely exorbitant price. KDT Athletics sells them but I find their prices way off!

It's RM310 for a 8KG kettlebell which most of us guys will just adapt to in about a week! And then we'd have to buy some more. Check the prices out yourselves guys!

http://www.kdtathletics.com/products.html

I've however found a seller that's a friend of mine, that's willing to give us cheaper prices. Are any of you fellows out there interested, because if you are, I'll organize a bulk for you guys too. I'm not giving exact figures, but for the 8kg kettlebell, you can expect savings of at least RM70! Most guys like us, would start with the minimum weight of 16kg which is being sold for RM440. You guys wanna save RM100? Cuz this seller I'm getting from can give us that much savings.
So you guys think about it, and if some of you guys are interested, I'll try and squeeze you guys in with my own clients too. I'm getting at least 8 kettlebells for my clients and myself. The thing is if you guys join, I can get even lower prices some more.
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More about eccentric and tempo training from the master himself:

http://www.charlespoliquin.com/ArticlesMul...cle.aspx?ID=285
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post Apr 1 2010, 12:45 AM

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Hey Pizzaboy, I'm interested in the Kettlebell. The 16kg one. If it's not too much to ask, please PM me the best price you're able to get. I'll ask my dad then.

Thanks in advance.
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@pizza

The one you intend to bulk is Pro grade or cast iron?
and how about the delivery? Can pm me the price for a pair of 20kg?
Why don't you organise a bulk section 1st, i'm sure there is quite alot people wanted to get it, and yeah.. malaysia kettlebell is selling god damn expensive


yeah, i know this kind of trading talk shouldn't appearing here, but sometime don't need to be so strict lol.
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QUOTE(Desvaro @ Apr 1 2010, 12:31 AM)
More about eccentric and tempo training from the master himself:

http://www.charlespoliquin.com/ArticlesMul...cle.aspx?ID=285
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QUOTE(JonYeap @ Mar 31 2010, 03:48 PM)
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post Apr 1 2010, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(harris92 @ Apr 1 2010, 12:45 AM)
Hey Pizzaboy, I'm interested in the Kettlebell. The 16kg one. If it's not too much to ask, please PM me the best price you're able to get. I'll ask my dad then.

Thanks in advance.
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Will pass the link soon.

QUOTE(yeah_guyz @ Apr 1 2010, 10:13 AM)
@pizza

The one you intend to bulk is Pro grade or cast iron?
and how about the delivery? Can pm me the price for a pair of 20kg?
Why don't you organise a bulk section 1st, i'm sure there is quite alot people wanted to get it, and yeah.. malaysia kettlebell is selling god damn expensive
yeah, i know this kind of trading talk shouldn't appearing here, but sometime don't need to be so strict lol.
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All the kettlebells are Pro Grade. I won't get the cast iron because there are cases of it breaking when it falls, and I don't wanna bring bad quality products.
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QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Apr 1 2010, 12:34 PM)
Will pass the link soon.
All the kettlebells are Pro Grade. I won't get the cast iron because there are cases of it breaking when it falls, and I don't wanna bring bad quality products.
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ok, do let me know the price for 16kg & 20kg once you get everything done. thanks
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Naise kettelbell, plan to get one, good for home complex training. XD
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Jeez, KDT's price is about 50-60% more than in the US. I thought steel is cheaper in Msia since it's subsidised? =P

Dudes,
-What weight would be good for a 50-60 yr old man & lady who has never trained in any weights (my parents =)? 8kg or 12kg?
-Is a 16kg 1-arm dumbbell swing similar to 16kg 1-arm KB swing?

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went to fitness concept just now they sell adjustable kettle-bell (20lb) for 300 plus if im not mistaken. so i might go for the one that PB want to buy biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ Apr 1 2010, 02:04 PM)
Jeez, KDT's price is about 50-60% more than in the US. I thought steel is cheaper in Msia since it's subsidised? =P

Dudes,
-What weight would be good for a 50-60 yr old man & lady who has never trained in any weights (my parents =)? 8kg or 12kg?
-Is a 16kg 1-arm dumbbell swing similar to 16kg 1-arm KB swing?
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12kg.

it seems light, but when u start to swing those thing, then u know how heavy it is lol. Tats what i exp from my sandbag lol.
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post Apr 2 2010, 10:53 AM

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Okay peoples! Its up!
This may be the cheapest price

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=ST&f...0#entry32886941


Added on April 2, 2010, 10:59 am
QUOTE(yeah_guyz @ Apr 1 2010, 01:03 PM)
ok, do let me know the price for 16kg & 20kg once you get everything done. thanks
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RM360 and RM430 for 16KG and 20KG respectively. If you order more than 1, I can give you a minor discount but don't la expect too much.

QUOTE(jamis @ Apr 1 2010, 01:48 PM)
Naise kettelbell, plan to get one, good for home complex training. XD
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So you getting one?

QUOTE(iamyuanwu @ Apr 1 2010, 02:04 PM)
Jeez, KDT's price is about 50-60% more than in the US. I thought steel is cheaper in Msia since it's subsidised? =P

Dudes,
-What weight would be good for a 50-60 yr old man & lady who has never trained in any weights (my parents =)? 8kg or 12kg?
-Is a 16kg 1-arm dumbbell swing similar to 16kg 1-arm KB swing?
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For a kettlebell, you ought to go with 12KG for the man and for your mum, I suggest getting her basic strength up first so she can share the bell with your dad. Because 8KG you will adapt super fast to it, even at their age. Get them to do more squats and push-ups baby!

- Not even close. 16KG dumbbell swings are like chicken feed. 16KG kb swings, now that requires a lil more attention.


QUOTE(zaxxshoxx @ Apr 1 2010, 10:00 PM)
went to fitness concept just now they sell adjustable kettle-bell (20lb) for 300 plus if im not mistaken. so i might go for the one that PB want to buy biggrin.gif
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For a 9KG, KB (though adjustable), you're paying 300 plus. You can get 12KG for 310 bucks bro. Btw, recommended for men is 16KG and women 12KG aye.

QUOTE(jamis @ Apr 2 2010, 10:25 AM)
12kg.

it seems light, but when u start to swing those thing, then u know how heavy it is lol. Tats what i exp from my sandbag lol.
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I swung a 12KG kettlebell once and thought, hey! This is easy! Within 30 seconds, my hips started aching. Apparently....not so easy. I'll write a simple tutorial for you guys when you get this kettlebell la. So please proceed to bulk orders and drop an order there so I can standardize things. let's get back to strength talk here.


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Here's some pretty interesting videos of the Belarus national team, Aramnau. 20 years old, Olympic gold medallist 2008. Here's a few videos of him. He's also the world record holder. Watch this. This 255KG double clean, would mean he could likely clean 258KG. That is way above the current world record for 105KG lifters.



255KG clean double



210KG block snatch, almost double.



This is one of John Broz's 85KG lifter doing a 275KG deadlift. I think he's not even 20 yet.



170KG snatch DOUBLE. Probably a 85KG lifter



175KG power snatch double. I think a 94kg lifter.

These Olympics, I believe if doping isn't such a bitch on the lifters, we will be seeing a good number of world records from the Russians, Belorussians, Kazaks and Chinese. Screw doping rules anyway. The game of strength, is about finding the maximal strength and power a human being can have. If you don't wanna dope, that's your problem....I say YES FOR DOPE!

And for f(cusk.....here's an amount that not many people can even squat. He's doing behind neck jerks for a triple here.



In comparison, my max is only 140KG for a single. This guy has it at 240KG for a triple. Which means his single could likely be about 246-249KG. Has anybody around here even deadlifted these numbers?

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Heh, I can't even deadlift your max behind the neck jerk. laugh.gif

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Heh, I can't even deadlift your max behind the neck jerk. laugh.gif
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That's funny. Almost anybody with a semi-decent squat (even half squat) and a few months (some even weeks) of training should be able to hit 140KG in the deadlift. How's your training like?

I'm pretty sure I can cough up a very simple routine you can use to break your plateau.
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QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Apr 5 2010, 09:46 AM)
That's funny. Almost anybody with a semi-decent squat (even half squat) and a few months (some even weeks) of training should be able to hit 140KG in the deadlift. How's your training like?

I'm pretty sure I can cough up a very simple routine you can use to break your plateau.
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Thing is, I haven't deadlifted since last august since that's when i injured my back. I tried doing them again a couple of days ago, for the first time since that injury. Felt a bit awkward while doing them, but there was no pain or anything so I went on with them. The next day though, my lower back (specifically the lumbar and sacral area) hurt like a b****. So I dunno, honestly.
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What sort of pain is that?
If it's the muscular ache, then there really isn't too much to worry about. If it's a different sorta pain, like a sharp ache, then I'd back off deadlifts temporarily and instead do higher rep good mornings and box squats. Now the interesting thing about box squats is, although it loads the posterior chain with a lot of weight, the torque on your lower back is lesser due to the "sit back" position which is great.

Also, I'd do quite a bit of higher repetition leg raises and reverse hyperextensions as well to strengthen the whole core structure and hamstrings.
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QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Apr 5 2010, 09:46 AM)
That's funny. Almost anybody with a semi-decent squat (even half squat) and a few months (some even weeks) of training should be able to hit 140KG in the deadlift. How's your training like?

I'm pretty sure I can cough up a very simple routine you can use to break your plateau.
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whats the routine eh pizza?
i cant do 140kg for deadlift
my max is 100kg


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